My impression was that it's more a matter of him trying to do too much after avoiding pressure than it is an inability to handle it. I think his issue is correctable. It's up to him to put in the work. His mechanical issues tend to flare up in these situations as well so I think it does all tie together some. I have seen the ability to stare down the barrel and deliver on spot passes. Kizer is young, and Hue can hopefully help him tighten everything up.
Kaaya's the guy whose pressure issues I don't think can be fixed.
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They also had a pretty darn good Oline, Dline, Defense and offensive weapons like Bettis.
I don't know what we have at this point., Tommy Maddoxx was a first round pock of the Broncos and never really had much success until he got to pittsburgh and even then it was marginal.
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They also had a pretty darn good Oline, Dline, Defense and offensive weapons like Bettis.
I don't know what we have at this point., Tommy Maddoxx was a first round pock of the Broncos and never really had much success until he got to pittsburgh and even then it was marginal.
I hope the steelers have a long line of Maddox type QBs in their post Ben future.
I just watched the Texas film and came away really noticing how often his left foot gets wide left. I think young guys with strong arms just don't notice the mechanics as much.
That said, he still threw some nice balls with that foot out wide. I think it was Vers who made the point that he can STILL make good throws with that flaw, but just not consistently. That observation played out throughout that film.
I could use some help with the following:
When Hue asked him to get his feet closer together, was he talking left-to-right or front-to-back or both?
4) Dumb, Dumb and Dumber. Never throw across the field late. EVER. Throw it away. No biggie there.
6) Excellent pocket presence. Steps up. He's really good at that. Big plus. Either a bad read or he tried to force that one trusting his arm.
9&11) Love this kids pump fake. It'll work in the NFL.
13) Ahhh. There's that throwing to the left, hips wide open, right leg kick and BOOM. Nose dive into the ground.
Looking at more and more of his throws is telling me that the right leg kick is no big deal. He throws some great passes kicking that leg. Not an issue to me. Inconsistent accuracy is coming from something else.
And I believe it's ONE thing. Hue may have already figured it out. If he has, we gotta KEEPER.
I love watching this dude play QB. Love the presence to slide up in the pocket and that pretty pump fake. Great touch and great deep balls.
Uhmmmm bro..........are you going to look at some of his tape and give your opinions? LOL
Are you seeing what I'm seeing?
Btw----------there is no way Kizer should start until Hue fixes the mechanical issues he has. I think they might be fixable, at least what I've seen in a very limited sample, but there is no way he can go out there w/those flaws and succeed in the NFL. Hopefully Hue can work some magic and Kizer has the desire to learn.
*L* ... ya ... yesterday I was at my 9 year old nephews soccer tourny ... would have broke it down then but i didn't have enough battery left so I could only post ...
Just got back from the park with my 12 year old nephew hitting him grounders, working on leading off and throwing from the stretch ... he LOVES the game and I can help with that one unlike the two that play soccer ... *L* ... although the 9 year old is switching to baseball next year .. hopefully he stays there ...
Going to the fireflies game in a little bit ... may get toit tonight but prolly not as I'm sure my nephews will have sumptin to do ... I'll get to the Texas game tonight or tommorow ... I watched it this morning about 6:00 AM just to cruise through ...
Its really nice to watch it with the info we've (that means all of us ... lots of GREAT CONTRIBUTORS in here) been talking about in here ... also the first time i watched him breaking it down as opposed to being a fan ...
The first three passes of that game are a summary of who he is .. good and bad ...
Throw 1 - pump fake to EQ then he lofts it maybe 20 - 25 yards downfield giving his taller reciever a chance to go get it ... safety had come over but it was a nice throw ...
- great pump fake ... - accurate throw giving his tall reciever a chance ...
- safety came over ... leaving a space or someone open ... he never looks to see ... so he telegraphed his pass to the safety and when the safety bit he never even glanced ... its tough on that throw cause its a "timing" throw after the pump fake .. but he had to know he had some open space or a one on one somewhere else ...
Throw 2 - TD pass to EQ (hes the tall guy from here on out ... so when u see EQ .. know he's 6'5 and a match up nightmare ...
Perfect pass to the outside shoulder giving EQ plenty of room to get his feet down ... AWESOME ...
Throw 3 - short out out to hunter ... complete but he had to come back and dive for it ...
U could see his right(back) foot swing ... and the throw nosedived and my guess is the velocity wasn't there ...
On a side note .... watching the game as a fan on the throw to Hunter .. i thought .. OK .. he threw it where no one else could catch it ... i can live with that, actually thats a good thing when need be ... wondered why with all the room he had on that one ..
Because of everything I'VE LEARNED on this thread ... i now know it was bad mechanics and an innacurate throw ... *L* ....
Again .. thanks to everyone .. i come here to learn .. and there hasn't been a lot of learning for me ... this thread is AWESOME ... thanks to all ..
I'll be back tonight or tommorow to give my breakdown of Texas ...
Fellas, I didn't go to bed last night and suddenly wake up this morning as a QB guru. I did however, watch a couple of youtube videos that helped me understand some of the many nuances to throwing an accurate football.
Mechanics of Throwing This guy seems like a high school coach whose audience are younger players and their coaches. Also it's edited down from a longer video (he probably wants to sell) but what I got from it was an explanation about posture and where to hold the ball in preparation to throw. Equally interesting was a brief treatment about the opening of the hips and how to step into a throw when the receiver is crossing the QB's face either left to right or vice versa.
Then I noticed a video of Montana on the subject of throwing so of course I had to check that out. Montana My biggest take away here was wieght distribution when setting up to throw. Joe suggests about 70% of the QB's weight should be on the back foot, so that the QB can transfer that force thru the lead leg into the upper body as he's going thru his throwing motion. Joe also likes feet about shoulder width apart
Then I went and watched some game clips of Kizer. I wonder if DeShone would benefit from holding the ball higher a la Peyton Manning? It might speed up his delivery by a fraction of a second. I also ask myself if he might also improve his weight distribution so that when he sets up to throw he already has planted with his back leg bearing most of this weight and he doesn't have to shift his weight back and then come forward with his release? I think I'm seeing some of that from him. I know he's a tall guy but I think his base might also be too wide. Are these issues correctable at the NFL level?
To piggy back some, what you explain here if you use an analogy of a pitcher coiuld me a timing issue.
A pitcher velocity and to some extyent accuracy is a product of both movement toward the plate and and rotation of the core.
When his timing if off and his landing foot is too fast, then his hops will fly open, the tendency then is for that foot to land too far left, his body is behind the momentum of the core turn, which as you state throws his leading should down and his elbow is not only lower but also will push out, this will typically result in a pitch high and too the right as his follow through will make him fall off in tat direction.
Conversely the plant foot too late , with close the approach forward and push the body to the right , the compensation for that then is to whip he arm cross body and giving a low and out side spot.
Both will lead to velocity loss as well.
I realize the pitching motion if different form the passing motion, much like the difference between a throw from centerfield as opposed to a throw from shortstop, bu the general mechanics are the same the rotation and momentum toward the target must be in conjunction with one another.
Posture, body positioning and holding the ball high are all things I taught my pitchers when I coached baseball. Stand straight, good posture, holding the ball high will bring your feet together. Keeping good posture through your motion also limits over striding and keeps the ball from sailing. Over striding is what causes that back leg kick people are talking about. After that.. you start working on compact motion, release point and straight follow through...
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Diam, I think that the way your sentence reads makes it sound like Kizer will makes some throws that will make u (the reader) crave for me (DiamDawg). Pit is saying he doesn't see ANY WAY he's going to crave you.
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My original intent was to stick as close as possible to the OP/thread topic that Vers laid out because I know it drives me nuts when people don't...but people are coming from several different angles that are related even though not directly on thread topic...so my focus won't be just on accuracy....but...on that topic......
I am not sure I agree with the article/thought that blames Kizer's inaccuracy on his left leg coming off the ground and opening his hip early.
*shrugs* I think its just how he throws. Even on some of his best throws he's lifting that back leg off the ground.
And I know I've seen other QBs lift their back legs also. It something i'll keep looking and maybe there is something to it that i'll see later on that I don't see now...but right now I can't say whether or not Kizer's back leg is an issue or not.
:13 Missed throw #1. (lbl*) half field read. pump fake. comeback (r) sideline. I'm not sure this throw is "inaccurate" because of aim but its an odd 'type' of throw to make. He lofts it high and throws it like a back shoulder fade. The pace of the throw, the height of the throw allow the safety to make a play. I think the back shoulder aspect of the throw is correct but I think this throw should be driven with velocity and more on a line towards the sideline. *(lifts back leg)
:17 1-on-1 50/50 fade ball. lbl. half field. 1 receiver read. Good placement to the outside shoulder towards the sideline.
:44 Missed throw #2. 8 yard curl/stop route vs off coverage (Cover 3) (r) underthrown. lbl.
I don't like his drop back footwork on this throw.
There is no rhythm to this throw, it just seems out of sync. He catches the ball (with feet already offset right foot up) takes a half step with his left foot then a full step with his right then hops 2-3 times to wait for the curl route. I'm not sure what he's coached to do here but the footwork and timing appear off. OR it could be he's unsure of the receiver or the route or the concept. Ideally I would want to see much crisper footwork and a more decisive throw. If i'm watch this film with Kizer i'm asking hi....dude? what happened on this throw?
:55s Screen (r). Thrown off backfoot which caused pass to be too high. Ideally want to see him catch rock and throw immediately on target to Screen receiver. (could be nit picking here a bit)
:59s 3rd and 13. Sack.
Its 3rd and long so I understand that he's looking downfield. But...he has clear sight on an unblocked defender and has 2 options:
-avoid/escape left out of the pocket away from the unblocked man and extend the play to run or throw
-throw the drag route give the receiver a chance to make a play
Hey guard. That first video drove me crazy w/all the editing. Hard for me to follow. He had two good points in my mind. The one about the index finger and the one about the front foot. He may have had more, but I was getting irritated w/the editing.
The Montana video was better. I agree w/what he was saying. The weight distribution before and after. The load. The front elbow leading. The index finger. The front foot and chest towards the target [most important], the transfer of the weight, the follow through.
I don't know if Kizer needs to start w/the ball higher. I'll check it out on the next video I watch. I do think his base is a bit wider than normal. You mentioned Joe's base. LOL.........all people who have played competitive sports know what the "athletic stance" is. It works in almost every sport.
Thus far, I do think Kizer's mechanical issues are fixable. But, it's early in the process. I need to watch more. I'll probably move on because I really don't have the patience for waiting on this one game at a time thing. I'm curious and wanna watch more tape.
I am a little concerned about the mental aspect. Gonna keep a close eye on indicators.
Two good additions, ed. I really like the second one. I do want to address a couple of things you said in the first post, though.
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I am not sure I agree with the article/thought that blames Kizer's inaccuracy on his left leg coming off the ground and opening his hip early.
*shrugs* I think its just how he throws. Even on some of his best throws he's lifting that back leg off the ground.
It's his right leg that is coming off the ground, but that might have just been a typo. The hip thing is real. No one teaches a qb to step out to the left of the target which opens up the hip that much. No one who knows what he's doing, anyway. It's imperative that your front foot and chest point to your target.
Yes, he can make accurate throws by doing so because of arm talent. However, that mechanical flaw will lead to inconsistency and that is the issue w/Kizer.
Also, the back foot thing is dramatic. It is far different than the clip you provided. He kicks it out to the right and very high. There is absolutely no need to this and it sure as hell doesn't provide more power. Watch the Montana video and take a look at the weight transfer. That is how we teach it.
I really loved your second post. Great examples of what you are talking about. Wish I knew how to do that. It's so much more effective to have a visual of what you are trying to describe. I'm looking forward to your future takes on Kizer.
I think this is an interesting article on changing a QB's mechanics. I remember the Rodgers thing. He was taught in the classical, young qb way on where to hold the football. The thing I remember most about it, rather than just the deep throw, was how it made his drop slower, especially the 5 and 7-step drops. Anyway.........some good information for those who like to learn:
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Can a Quarterback’s Mechanics Be Altered?
Quarterback mechanics are one of the most highly debated aspects among NFL scouts and experts because they come in many different forms, few of which seem to be ideal. Whether it’s an old school sidearm style that Rich Gannon had, Tom Brady’s over-the-top delivery or Philip Rivers’ shot-put pass, the passers have shown that they can get to the ball out to their intended target with success. Neither of these are incorrect, but if they were deemed as such, could they be altered?
Some believe the mechanics of a quarterback can be altered, while others don’t. Because of this, I asked former NFL personnel man turned writer for RealGM.com Jeff Risdon if mechanics can indeed be altered:
“I believe mechanics above the waist can be fixed but it takes time and dedication,” Risdon stated. “I think it’s a delicate balancing act to try and do anything major (like Tim Tebow) but changing release points, follow through, back shoulder rotation, even how the football is held are all tweaks that can absolutely be done.”
He furthered comment: “You don’t want to change an unconventional throwing motion that clearly works, like Philip Rivers or Kerry Collins, but cleaning up the little intricacies can still be very effective. It’s remarkable how something as simple as holding the ball further back on the laces can impact accuracy. Footwork and waist/hips are more important but the kind of stuff that George Whitfield did with Cam Newton, altering his elbow angle and teaching him a consistent follow through and shoulder rotation can make a big difference.”
I also contacted NFL Films football guru Greg Cosell about the possibility of altering the mechanics of a quarterback and he immediately said “yes”.
Cosell expanded on his answer by stating that “anything that is mechanical can be altered, anything that is a function of a movement can be altered. There are four parts to throwing the football: legs, hips, shoulders and arm, which comes along for the ride when the others are done right.”
McCarthy-isms Although there are many that don’t share Risdon and Cosell’s sentiments, Green Bay Packers head coach Mike McCarthy does. McCarthy has run a “quarterback school” since 1993 that charts “quarterbacks in five footwork drills that rate agility and movement,” and focuses on “hand-eye coordination, finger dexterity, mechanics,” according to Greg Bishop of The New York Times.
McCarthy’s quarterback school paid off in a big way for signal caller Aaron Rodgers, who came into the league with quirky mechanics taught by the University of California’s infamous (in NFL circles) head coach Jeff Tedford and has since become arguably the league’s best quarterback.
Rodgers held the ball next to his ear when he was in a pre-pass triangle set at California. The mechanics appeared efficient at the time because he was able to get the ball out quickly in the Golden Bears short passing game, but he struggled throwing deep.
His throwing motion led to him throwing outside of his frame, which is not ideal and “stresses the shoulder” as quarterback guru George Whitfield Jr. says, and his footwork also suffered as he was not able to get proper timing nor transfer weight with any consistency. Rodgers explained this in an interview with ESPN last year:
“When I first got into the league, I held the ball really high. That was the standard in college, and it messed up my timing a bit — the draw, bringing it back, then the release… You’re taught to get back as deep as you can, but you can never throw the ball out on time when you do that.”
Mechanical Changes Click For Rodgers Under the tutelage of head coach McCarthy and quarterbacks coach Tom Clements, Rodgers pre-pass triangle set came down to between his numbers, consequently his motion became quicker, his power increased (also because of his cleaner footwork) and his timing improved. Now, Rodgers puts up video game numbers as he knifes through the heart of defenses with otherworldly throws.
“In Aaron Rodgers’ particular situation, he had a very high ball carriage which I felt there was a stiffness to the way he carried the ball,” McCarthy told our Adam Caplan during the 2010 NFL Scouting combine, “it wasn’t as natural because he is a very good athlete and it’s something you didn’t see in my opinion in his earlier days, how good of an athlete he was and I think it’s something we’ve adjusted and he’s very natural with it. Every quarterback that I’ve ever coached, you’re always looking to improve their mechanics.”
Furthermore, as Risdon noted, mechanics may be able to be fixed or altered but it takes “time,” which is exactly what Rodgers had as he honed his skills for three seasons while legend Brett Favre played.
In contrast, my colleague Lance Zierlein noted in a recent conversation that former Houston Texans quarterback David Carr didn’t have the same success when offensive coordinator Chris Palmerattempted to alter his release point. Carr played during this time, which was his only choice for the expansion Houston Texans, and his career ultimately ended in disaster as he ended up being a bust after taking a significant amount of beating behind a porous offensive line and never improving his mechanics.
Rodgers and Carr’s situations were entirely different, but they also help paint the picture of the possibility of altering mechanics. Mechanics can be altered by raising the elbow above the shoulder, making sure there is full extension and follow through after the release and then correcting footwork by stepping through the throw, bending at the knee of the lead foot and rotating the hips, so power is generated from the lower body opposed to the upper body as seen with Buffalo Bills quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick.
There are many avenues which coaches can take to improve a quarterback’s mechanics, which takes time and repetitions, but the biggest issue that they run into is one they can’t control: their quarterback’s reaction when the bullets are flying.
In most cases, quarterbacks will revert to their natural form when they are in pressure-filled situations, which is why the debate over mechanics will forever live despite the success of the Packers’ Rodgers. For every Aaron Rodgers, there is a Tim Tebow: a passer whose mechanics were altered temporarily opposed to permanently, resulting in a reversion to their natural and improper form once defenders invaded the quarterbacks comfort area.
So..........say you are a fan of football, but never played quarterback or coached the game. Perhaps you never even played high school football. You might be wondering........"how could guys like Kizer get to such a high level w/out being coached to have proper mechanics?" You might even ask: "What about guys like Rivers, Hogan, Tebow, etc who were successful but had poor mechanics? Why didn't their coaches fix their issues?" You might be embarrassed to ask them, but.......
I think those are damn good questions and a logical mind would certainly think along those lines. I believe I have an answer.
There are many good high school and college coaches. In fact, it is my belief that there are better "teachers" of fundamentals at the lower levels than there are in the professional ranks.......in any of the 3 major sports.
However, say you have a guy like Kizer in high school. He's huge. He can throw the ball a country mile. Much farther and w/way more velocity than the older players you have coached to master perfect technique. What do you do? Change what is successful? You may try, but what if the kid is reluctant? Do you bench him? What happens then? I can tell you what will happen............you'll lose your damn job. Community pressure would push your sorry ass out the door. So, you live w/it and think what could be.......
Now, here we are. Kizer is going to the NFL. He has a very good teacher in Hue. He has physical talent. He has mechanical flaws. Will he listen? Will he work his butt off to fix those issues? We will have to wait and see.
The mental things? I don't know...........but, that's another story.
Has anyone heard/read about teams using virtual reality pre-draft to help evaluate players (specifically QBs)? It seems like that would be a great way to at least try and see how a QB works on the field.
I don't want these guys trying to rebuild Kizer and potentially take away what's natural to him.
All I see necessary is a tweak or two.
I wanna know WTH Jackson and Lee told Kizer to do on that one visit that resulted in this better consistency and accuracy on the next visit. Hues words were to the like of "It's obvious he's been working on it"
We should see some videos coming out from Rookie Camp soon.
Good thread going in here. A bit like old times. Kudos.
Would have thought on opening it might go in a different direction given the thread title.
Hue Jackson: Quarterback Whisperer.
Is he the guy to iron out flaws, footwork, decision making, throw mechanics that are being broken down for real? There has been conjecture on this statement before now on his development of QBs - like its an urban myth or something. Would like to see that angle explored once the extent of Kizers ability has been ascertained (just a request of those who know better than me!)
do you have to fix ALL of a QB's mechanical issues, or just as much as possible?
cause Phillip rivers has a funky throwing motion, but he's an elite QB.
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They also had a pretty darn good Oline, Dline, Defense and offensive weapons like Bettis.
I don't know what we have at this point., Tommy Maddoxx was a first round pock of the Broncos and never really had much success until he got to pittsburgh and even then it was marginal.
I hope the steelers have a long line of Maddox type QBs in their post Ben future.
And we have the next Ben... That would be ideal..
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do you have to fix ALL of a QB's mechanical issues, or just as much as possible?
cause Phillip rivers has a funky throwing motion, but he's an elite QB.
I don't think there is one perfect way to throw a football that will work for everyone. People have different body types (muscle pliability, flexibility, range of motion, "lever" length, hand size) so what works best for one, might not for another. I think a big key is consistency in the mechanics. If you are consistent in your delivery, the end result/accuracy should also be more consistent.
It appears that Kizer's hip opening and leg kick put him off balance-sometimes more than others. Being "wobbly"/off balance makes it hard to be consistent.
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I love this thread. Thanks to all for your evaluations. It sounds like footwork and lower body synergy is the biggest physical drawback right now for Kizer.
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Next week we should see some videos from Rookie Camp. Looking forward to it.
We'll see how he's throwing as far as foot spread, open hips and that leg kick goes. We'll be able to see it and compare to what we have been looking at.
Color me curious. If anything changes, it's a good bet that it was what Jackson told him to work on previously.
That article Vers put up indicated a change in what string of the ball you set up with can change things. I'm going to try that today. Moving forward and backward on the strings.
do you have to fix ALL of a QB's mechanical issues, or just as much as possible?
cause Phillip rivers has a funky throwing motion, but he's an elite QB.
Good question. Not sure if this is a good answer or not, but let me start w/an example.
Aaron Rodgers was mentioned in one of the articles and how they worked w/his mechanics. However, while he has very good mechanics most of the time, we have seen him make crazy throws. LOL....like rolling to his left, lead foot pointed out of bounds, right leg farther up the field, an arm delivery that is between side-arm and 3/4s motion, and throw a freaking dart right on the money 35 yards down the field. It's freaking insane.
I think you try and "fix" things when you see a guy has an issue. For instance, it's been reported that Kizer has inconsistent accuracy. He makes perfect throws at times, and at other times the ball nosedives into the ground or sails high and wide. Your natural reaction is to figure out why.
Thus, you start w/looking at his tape and try to find issues w/his mechanics, which is sort of what we are doing here. You show him the results of film study, make suggestions, work w/him individually to correct the problem, create drills to help build muscle memory, and then try and simulate game-like situations.
I'm not positive, but from what I've seen w/Kizer.......the first thing I would try to work on [actually it's two things, but they are related] is to narrow his stance a bit. Get him in that athletic stance that Montana mentioned earlier. In case you didn't read it, feet about shoulder width apart, knees slightly bent, but not too far, and a little bit of a forward bend at the hips. You know, the classic athletic stance that we use in so many sports. You keep in that position w/the ball in the throwing motion and have to do cone-drills while his eyes are up.
The second part is the step w/his front leg. You wanna get it where it's just slightly left of the target. Just enough so that his hips open and his chest is facing the target on the turn/follow-through.
That's where I'd start and see what happens. That might even be enough to take care of the back leg kicking out so high and far out to the right. If not, we don't need to eliminate it, but let's ensure that it isn't so dramatic.
So, in summary.........I would say that you try and tweak his issues rather than rebuild the entire motion. Does that make sense?
Most of you know Mark Herman. He was the OC at Ohio State when we won the National Championship a few years ago. He went on to Houston and did well there. He just got the Texas HC job.
I mention him because he has some good drills. I'll show this one because it addresses the footwork drills in the post I made to Swish. I think it's pretty cool:
Good thread going in here. A bit like old times. Kudos.
Would have thought on opening it might go in a different direction given the thread title.
Hue Jackson: Quarterback Whisperer.
Is he the guy to iron out flaws, footwork, decision making, throw mechanics that are being broken down for real? There has been conjecture on this statement before now on his development of QBs - like its an urban myth or something. Would like to see that angle explored once the extent of Kizers ability has been ascertained (just a request of those who know better than me!)
Carry on.
It is kinda like old times when there was more football talk on the board then all the personality contests that prevail now.
I think the thread evolved into this because the original article talked about Hue fixing Kizer's mechanics.
I also think that most people agree that Hue is highly regarded as a teacher and is good w/qbs. For instance, I question his ability to evaluate qbs, but I believe that he is a great teacher and developer of qbs.
I hope the thread doesn't turn into whether or not Hue is a good coach or not, because that will just lead to the usual bickering.
Ok cool. So if you was the coach, you would work on his stance and footwork first, cause that's mandatory, and if that's corrected, you would only work on his throwing motion if it was still hindering his development? But on game day if his throwing motion was getting it done then just roll with it?
Cause that would make sense. If you remember in 2014, Hoyer started looking like trash because his footwork just went AWOL out of nowhere.
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Pretty much. I don't think you do a total rebuild and Kizer does a lot of good things w/his mechanics.
You mentioned Rivers earlier and I was thinking about him after I responded to you. Like you said, his mechanics are a mess, but he still gets the job done. The crazy thing is that when he was in college, his mechanics were even worse. They/he have tweaked some things so that they are not as bad as they were.....but, they didn't totally rebuild them.
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