DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns to trade for Jarvis Landry

I agree the Browns could get plenty more, but I kept it simple because it's just a rumor and I have no idea.

Personally, I wouldn't be too heavy on the demands. Adding Mathieu would be an incredible boost and we'll still have plenty of options at #11.

Realistically, our first round could be QB/Barkley, Mathieu and a high ranked CB. That'd be amazing. Anything extra is just cake, but sure, get what we can get.

I agree. Another mid level vet and a fairly high draftee works.

Fox seems pretty confident in this. Saying it's DONE.

I'm watching Coleman and Shelton also.

We are a team in need of help. I don't think we can afford to hold out for top dollar. Dropping from #4 to #11 and getting the Badger sounds pretty darn good to me.

Maybe Dorsey see Mike White as our QB. Why would you draft him at #1 or #4?

I don't know who we want or who we will draft at #1, but I'd do that trade every time.

What other vet do we have worth anything? Reports from Grossi say that Coleman is getting ZERO interest

So the Badger has a value listed in your draft value chart?

Dude, that only accounts for picks.

Don't fall in love with that draft value chart.

i don't like this at all if true. He's had two significant knee injuries, shoulder injury, etc. Definitely not worth trading down to teens from 4 unless we get a 1 back next year

I'm only using it to show it will cost them more than the Honey Badger to move from 15 to 4

Marc is right. Cards are at #15, not #11. Miami have #11 and I'm watching Jarvis Landry highlights. Yeesh, being corrected never felt so good. I could kiss Dorsey right about now.

Per the value chart, #4 is 1,800 and #15 is 1,050. Hard to know what Mathieu's value is.

Obviously, he's one of the best in the game, but he's at $14M per year for the next few years, which kills the value.

If we could get Mathieu, #15 (1,050) and #47 (430), that alone would put me on cloud nine. 320 value sounds reasonable for a stud FS/CB but with a huge contract.

j/c:

I wish we would have identified other WRs (and we still might) but the price tag to get Landry was EXTREMELY cheap. I think his value as a WR outweighs the value we gave to Miami. I'm worried about how much he'll get paid (maybe worried isn't the right word) but overall I think it was a good move value-wise.

Well done, Dorsey.

I guess it depends on where one might value the Badger. 700 points is a 1st rounder around 22-23.

I think most teams would trade a pick at 22 for the Badger.

Even if we needed something else, no way it's a first rounder next year. Maybe a 4th this year.

It's obvious Dorsey is in win now mode. He isn't all that interested in drafting a ton more rookies. He is seeking to bolster the roster so we can win next year.

I don't think we need to worry much about what guys get paid until we start bumping a little closer to the cap.

JMO

I think people are over valuing Mathieu especially since he would have most likely been cut as no way Arizona was paying him $16M

Could be....lets discuss this when and if the deal happens.

Only because Arizona is about to start a rebuild, without a quarterback, and a new head coach who comes from a team/coaching tree that doesn't place a whole lot of value on the safety position.

He turns 26 in May and is coming off a Pro-Bowl year. Kid is an absolute star in the prime of his career.

wow

Remember when people were upset we traded Andy Lee?

I do.

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1147093/andy-lee-traded-to-the-panthers#Post1147093

Haha... I remember when a friend of mine threw in the towel because of the Andy Lee trade.

I love every trade Dorsey has made so far.

we do love our punters

They get more snaps than the rest of our players.

If anyone wants to see some great posts trying to be upset about trading a 4th for Lee, you gotta check out that thread! What a gem! I mean, there is one champion of the effort, but I'm sure others were involved. haha.

After this trade, I'll most likely be playing Devante Parker in DFS cash games next season....at least to start the season.

Lol. People even liked the guy that punted for negative yardage. Frost?

I've read where Landry has been compared to Hines Ward. If that is so he will be a huge help to our offense. Most of his catches are for 1st downs. Taylor is a ball control QB, a lot like Alex Smith, so he should catch a lot of balls. Now look for Dorsey to upgrade our run game.

Lol, I read a few pages and I was one who was slightly ticked we got rid of him.
I was right, though.

Solid comparison. They both play tough and catch clutch balls. Landry has much better stats thus far. Only time will tell if he can match the longevity of Ward that made him so great.

WRONG we love our long snappers, they get as many snaps as our punters and kickers combined

Fear us, for we have Pontbriand!

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That being said I am thrilled we traded for Landry. Josh -if he can stay out of trouble, Laundry, Coleman -if he can stay healthy and improve a bit, and another WR either in FA or in the draft, and our WR corp. will look a lot better than last season.

I gotta say, I saw Tanner Carew, Oregon's long snapper, at the Senior Bowl, and I was impressed!

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/tanner-carew?id=2559954

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap...-at-Senior-Bowl

so you're saying we take him at #4

Don't let someone else determine the long snapper we get. If this is the guy we really want, we HAVE to take him at #1 overall.. IF we pass on him, there are 2 other teams that could jump us. Potentially we end up with our 3rd ranked long snapper. Are you willing to risk that? I'm not!

Take a look at Josh Gordon's Instagram post, he might have grown up.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BgEycw3Bdoe/

j/c:

Cleveland Browns: No one is afraid of Jarvis Landry


Fans and media alike declared the Cleveland Browns back upon seeing the news that the Browns traded for Jarvis Landry from the Miami Dolphins. The Browns valiantly fended off the Baltimore Ravens and no one else for the services of a slot receiver that puts up a lot of empty calories, but doesn’t make a meaningful difference for a team.

Landry has caught 400 passes over his first four seasons and made the Pro Bowl three times. These are impressive feats, but there’s a reason they have happened and it’s not because Landry is a great receiver. It’s largely because it’s a winning formula for the other team.

A defensive staff is preparing to take on the Browns for the week. Right away they have to figure out how to account for Josh Gordon. He’s a gamebreaker that is a threat to score on almost any play. David Njoku is a 250-pound tight end that runs like a gazelle. If they don’t account for him, he can break a big play and score. Duke Johnson is a matchup problem who’s really dangerous after the catch.

Who’s worried about Landry in the slot? No one. Herein lies the problem. Landry officially becomes the least athletic skill player on the team. Less athletic than Dan Vitale, the team’s fullback. Less athletic than Tyrod Taylor, the team’s new starting quarterback.

So even if Landry catches the ball, he’s not really a threat after the catch, averaging 5.1 yards yards after the catch per reception over his career. Factoring in the fact his overall average per reception is 10, that means Landry is catching the ball basically five yards past the line of scrimmage.

A defense can have a linebacker or slot corner take care of that effectively. Or just drop into a soft zone and then tackle him after he catches it. Unless he goes deeper down the field, he’s not a huge concern. There is quite literally no one a defense would rather have with the ball in their hands, because he is the least threatening.

They have to stop Gordon, make sure Njoku is accounted for, deal with players like Duke and Coleman, even if it’s just a single player matching up on them. Teams will let Landry catch the ball, because he’s not threatening. They don’t want to let him run free, but they’ll let him catch a five yard pass and then tackle him short of the first down.

For his career, 54.5 percent of the time Landry catches the ball, he gets a first down. By comparison, Seth DeValve has converted 65 percent of his receptions for first downs in his first two seasons. He does that while being almost 40 pounds heavier, more athletic and averaging more per reception.

Just by the numbers, if a defense plays good run defense and makes sure no one else kills them in the passing game, they’re going to get off the field basically in two sets of downs. Landry piles up numbers over the course of the game, which look good on a stat sheet, but mean little in terms of impacting the game, because the opponent is happy to let him get the ball and just tackle him, forcing them to punt it away.

In games Landry led the Dolphins in receiving yards, they notched a 7-15 over the course of his four year career. Their overall record over that span is 30-35, so they are 23-20 in games where anyone else leads the team in receiving yards. It’s a simple formula. Make Landry beat you.

No defensive coordinator is worried about Landry. As long as teams are throwing the ball to Landry, they aren’t throwing the ball to difference makers that can actually win the game, can force the offense to punt the ball away and ultimately win the game. Landry gets a trip to Hawaii and the team ends up going 5-11.

Meanwhile, quarterbacks want to complete passes. So when Gordon or Njoku are covered but might have opportunities, the quarterback may just go ahead and complete the sure thing in the wide open Landry underneath that gets tackled short of the sticks. It looks good on his stat sheet. Unfortunately, the offense goes nowhere. It’s a trap and most quarterbacks will fall into it.

Landry is getting paid just shy of $16 million to be the guy no one fears this season. In a vacuum, it’s as unimportant as the money paid to Brock Osweiler last year, but there should be zero talk of a contract extension. Landry would be a fool to take an extension to get paid what he’s actually worth. That would mean the Browns are prepared to give him about $10 million per year, which is utterly insane for what he’s actually doing.

The best case scenario for the Cleveland Browns is that Landry plays out this year, racks up a ton of yardage and goes to the Pro Bowl again. At that point, the Browns let him walk and some other team gives him the contact they’ll regret the Browns are hopefully too smart to offer. The Browns effectively get back what they paid to get to obtain Landry in the form of compensatory picks that can be used for more useful pieces to the team. If that’s the plan, it’s a brilliant one, but in the mean time, Jarvis Landry is the type of player that will put up numbers, but won’t win games.

https://nflspinzone.com/2018/03/11/cleveland-browns-no-one-afraid-jarvis-landry/

Pete Smith has been such a hack when it comes to Landry.

Firstly, Landry's low 8.8 yards per reception were largely due to Jay Cutler averaging a lowly 6.21 yards per attempt - which was 53rd in the league, along with Fales, Manuel, Kizer and Manning.

The years prior, when Tannehill played decent, Landry was at 12.1 and 10.5 respectively - which is right around where you want it.

Jarvis Landry is going to have low yards. He's most effective from the slot. That's Julian Edelman and Wes Welker kind of numbers. Or, perhaps best representative, Larry Fitzgerald - his use in the slot has increased significantly over the last few years in which he's hovered around 10 yards per reception.

The trade off, however, is in the numbers. Landry, over his career, has been targeted 567 times and has 400 receptions. That's utterly mental. That isn't accounting for inaccurate passes, that's just how many times he's outright been targeted. Fitzgerald has been targeted 456 times over the last three years and has caught 325 of them. That's what a slot receiver is for. Highly efficient. He won't rack up the yards, but he'll move the sticks in assisting manageable down and distance at an incredibly efficient rate.

He's the perfect addition, for a Taylor or a rookie. He's ultimately a safety value who can consistent be relied upon.

Don't worry about Landry down field. We've got Gordon and Coleman. Adding an additional burner will help. Njoku is a mismatch nightmare. What Landry gives us is a consistent and reliable both short and intermediate.

I don't get the hate towards sure-handed possession receivers. People like Smith hate them, but you sure notice when you don't have one.

It's mental that he cannot understand that simple philosophy