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It was more adding to your comment than countering it.

I said earlier in one of these threads that Josh could do like McCarthy did.. Interview with a team or two..and the Last team you interview with is the team that you stay with.

Jmo though

Its really funny to think Brian Dumboll tricked
Himself into thinking he had a legit shot to be a NFL HC.
Hes only slightly better than Kitchens and thats not saying much

Or he scheduled the Browns for a Friday interview so he could spend the rest of the weekend in town with his family and mull over a decision?

I wouldn't be surprised if Daboll becomes a HC at some point.

His folks live in the Canton area, and his wife's parents are in Parma. They probably have plans for family reunions this coming weekend. Maybe even make time to do a walk-thru at Bill Cowher's house in Strongsville - I hear Bill's been trying to sell it for years.

J/C ... sports team owners get reputations, for good or not.

The next head coach of the Browns would do well to follow Kyle Shanahan's example, and go for a 7 year deal. I doubt he will get a 10 year deal like Gruden did in Oakland/Vegas .... but if it were me, I would want a deal without offset language. A long term deal with no offset would make it far less palatable for Haslam to fire the next guy after a year or 2.

At some point Haslam has to give a guy a chance to get his program in place, and his players developed. If I were a candidate for this job, I would make sure I had some financial assurances that make it more likely that I can install and develop my program. Unless I get them, I wait for the next opportunity.

That is one of the reasons I want an experienced coach with a decent record. To get a decent contract, ownership has to be reasonably assured there will be no On The Job Training cluster cluck like Freddie on board. Good Experience = Good Contract

j/c

At this point, I'm fine with any of McDaniels, Saleh, Stefanski, or Bieniemy. The more I read about Saleh, the more I like him. At this moment, he's my favorite. Tomorrow may be different.

I have been intrigued with Saleh since the announcement of his name being added to the Interview list.

I agree. For a change, let's not traffic in "upside," "potential," as we wait for the learning curve to automatically bridge all gaps, fill every shortcoming, as we get the repetitive mantra we have seen. Just too many promises that never got realized.

Pay what you must for a quality proven commodity, not an an oddity for the media storm. I think above average performers will require above average compensation.

I know,
6 years ago I wouldn't have wanted Brian Daboll as HC of the Browns,

But I'm thinking, who would be the best coach 4,5, or 6 years from now, that's why for me,

I only think 2 have the chance at stability to keep the job and stick around and actually be really good 5 years from now,

Josh McDaniels, and

Brian Daboll,

But the organization really has to keep a structure around.

And I really don't know anything about any of them.

I’m still hoping Belichick will come back, bring a Lombardi to Cleveland.

If nothing else, he would fix our discipline issues. Post-mf-haste.

Mike?

Bill's been asking too much for years. Typical owner that gets emotional and overvalues his home!

J/c

I read Rish’s comments about Saleh, and that might make the most sense. He blew us away and we’re doing our due diligence with others

If Saleh truly has the "it" factor, and PdP is on board, I'm good with going unknown over Josh. This search, and all of the seemingly good candidates, is really making me wonder why we ever thought Freddie could be the guy. I know hindsight is 20-20, but we basically had Larry the Cable Guy as a head coach. Whether we let Baker assert too much control (which would be ridiculous) or not, that was on Dorsey.

J/c

I prefer an offensive minded coach. I question McDaniel's leadership and discipline capabilities after he backed out of the Colts job.He lost some respect with me even though he might be the best offensive coach available.
Stefanski has a decent career history and carries himself well in interviews. If he can lead and instill discipline I'd be fine with him.
Saleh is a defensive guy. I love his energy which could compliment good leadership & discipline rolls...His offensive people would need to be pretty good.

J/C

just to ask a different question: Do we think Freddie gets another job in the NFL next year? Is it just a position coach? Does someone give him a shot at OC again? How about HC?

I cannot see him ever getting an OC job again.

Yeah, I think Freddie's a "one and done" HC. MAYBE OC if he's under a strong HC. That seemed to work well under Williams last year.

As far as "proven" coaches go, they're not unemployed because they did TOO GOOD as a HC.

I think he will, all stadiums need maintenance workers, food vendor, beer sales and ticket taker. He has a lot of opportunity! I wish him well.

I think I saw this on TV scrawl this AM early, but not sure I read it right. Is there a window on this search now? It looked like we had stated we wanted to have our HC hire done by Saturday. We seem to have the door wide open now with other hires that time doesn't seem to be an issue for us now. Anybody confirm or deny the Saturday thing? If true, we must be closer than it seems or done.

I look at Daboll and think of Rob Reiner.

Call him Meathead.

Cool, who would that be? There is not any available.

Arians will hire him to be running back coach or TE coach.

Maybe not next year. He may want to take a year off. I would.

If Shurmer can get another HC job, Freddie can get another OC job.

I'm not sure Urban is even considering coaching. He's got a good gig on TV and doesn't have to deal with a bunch of attitudes.

I just had a Crazy idea but this is the Browns - so Crazy is normal!

Reading up quickly on Brian Daboll, I like the idea of him as a HC more, and wonder if his slow development, if it were all here in Cleveland, would he be a clear next in line to take the role, up through the ranks, kind of situation,

But then, I decided to see if his 4 stints as OC, well how his quick search online would compare to, say, Pat Shurmurs'
you can surmise from that what you will,

But then! I'm crazy, the Browns are cazy, so I had a crazy idea.

Draw a Circle with 3 notches, a Notch for Head coach, Offensive Coordinator, and Tight Ends coach,
Insert Names into the roles
Brian Daboll, Pat Shurmur, and (Rob Chudzinski,or other)(Maybe even Stefanski- why not)

Then, Everytime the team goes 4-12 and the Haslams lose patience

Just Rotate the circle 1 quarter turn,

But Eventually, in 10-12 years, We'd see continuity in Cleveland, by default.

I figure they had the best coaching talent last year (a week before they let Hue go) when they had at least one person waiting in the wings to take over for Hue.

So I surmise they need all the help they can get.

My guess is that he ends up at Alabama in some sort of coaching analyst role.

(Calling someone an "analyst" in college football is how you get someone to coach your team without being a coach.)

Or Ariens gives him a gig since he won't have to pay him courtesy of Haslam.

Definitely a possibility. He needs to find his Marvin Lewis.

That's not how any of this works.

The nepotism part or the pay part? The nepotism part is most definitely how this works. The pay part may or may not work the way described above depending on offset language in Kitchens' contract.

Either way, the point still stands. Kitchens going somewhere where he is comfortable is most likely. (And I don't think there is anything wrong with that, it's what I would try to do too.)

The pay part. I think nepotism is a word people throw around loosely however. Having some experience and a feeling of comfort working with someone goes a little further than nepotism.

I mean let's look at it for a moment. In Cleveland we've had the problem of clashes between the FO and coaching for what seems like forever. The rumor is that there was major friction between Monken and Freddie.

So there comes a line which people draw as to whether familiarity and comfort level in working with someone is nepotism, or the desire to have everyone working on the same page.