It seems like you're focusing on the times he didn't rather than the times he did.
You're not going to win every game. Tom Brady has lost super bowls. Dan Marino has never won a super bowl. Peyton Manning has failed in the clutch...as have Brett Favre, John Elway, and Drew Brees.
I would also argue Baker is clutch. He has that trait. He's special.
I will subscribe to this line of thought when the team consistently wins more than it loses, consistently makes the playoffs, and wins big games against quality opponents at the last minute on the shoulders of Baker.
Otherwise I think what you're saying doesn't carry much weight. In two seasons he's won 13 out of 30 games with many opportunities to win at the end in those losses. While I recognize there are many factors that contribute to those losses, that doesn't paint a picture of clutch.
You forget you were an advocate for Hue to get another year as HC.
It seems to be you who forgets. I wanted him to get a shot with some actual talent on the roster. When it was obvious that didn't change anything, I was fine when he was fired. It didn't take me the entire season to figure out it was he who was the problem.
It's you who is making all the excuses now.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I'm not so sure Cam is as good as some think. I'd still consider giving the ball to Hoyer.
But if it's Cam, at least he's used to not having any good WR to throw to.
Kind of along these lines... are they planning on putting together a different type of offense for Cam, or is he expected to fit into the Patriot's existing O? How does their scheme look after TB walking?
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I'm not so sure Cam is as good as some think. I'd still consider giving the ball to Hoyer.
But if it's Cam, at least he's used to not having any good WR to throw to.
Kind of along these lines... are they planning on putting together a different type of offense for Cam, or is he expected to fit into the Patriot's existing O? How does their scheme look after TB walking?
It's belichick,so I think it's safe to say Cam will have to fit his system....
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That was my first thought, but I wonder if that whole shtick kinda goes out the window when your QB1 of a bajillion years is no longer there.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
The last time we played Carolina, I remember watching Cam and thinking "this guy can't throw anymore". The shoulder was obviously giving him trouble back then. Not sure its still an issue, but it looks like the League thinks it is.
The last time we played Carolina, I remember watching Cam and thinking "this guy can't throw anymore". The shoulder was obviously giving him trouble back then. Not sure its still an issue, but it looks like the League thinks it is.
His shoulder was supposedly healed last year and then he hurt his foot.
I'm not so sure Cam is as good as some think. I'd still consider giving the ball to Hoyer.
But if it's Cam, at least he's used to not having any good WR to throw to.
Kind of along these lines... are they planning on putting together a different type of offense for Cam, or is he expected to fit into the Patriot's existing O? How does their scheme look after TB walking?
It's belichick,so I think it's safe to say Cam will have to fit his system....
This is the exact opposite to how Belichick operates.
There really are no "polar opposites" on here. There are those like myself who think there's enough blame to go around. Some rests on Freddie but some if it also rests on Baker. Trying to blame it all on either one of them is short sighted.
Then there are those who wish to absolve Baker of everything and blame everything on Freddie. Those two things are not "polar opposites".
Gee whiz, what a fair and impartial judge you are. Your side is pure and clean as can be. The opposition to you. Just narrow minded and absolve Baker of EVERYTHING. If you cannot see you false narrative here then I feel sorry for you...smh
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
I'm not so sure Cam is as good as some think. I'd still consider giving the ball to Hoyer.
But if it's Cam, at least he's used to not having any good WR to throw to.
Kind of along these lines... are they planning on putting together a different type of offense for Cam, or is he expected to fit into the Patriot's existing O? How does their scheme look after TB walking?
It's belichick,so I think it's safe to say Cam will have to fit his system....
This is the exact opposite to how Belichick operates.
Agreed. Belichick is the master of adopting new things to fit his personnel and to combat the other team's strengths. I also think Josh McDaniels is one of the brightest offensive minds in the league.
If--and it is a big if--Cam is healthy, the Pats will changer their offense to highlight the things he does well and to mask some of the areas where he isn't as proficient.
Browns were the only other team to speak w/ Newton.
That’s good to know. I like that we are at least exploring all options.
True. Nothing wrong with that I suppose.
In the end, I think Cam said to himself that he has a better chance of starting in NE than here...shocking. At least for his next contract, his potential production ceiling seems higher there than here.
Who knows what would have transpired from media that loves QB battles during the preseason. It would have made for interesting story lines, that's for sure.
Well glad to see you recognize your post as a joke.
back to the thread:
Wow. I don't think Cam was obtained to be the starter although he might win that position.
I happen to think Cam is a lot better QB than many here.
The Panthers never built around him as in protection.. yes, over the years he has become damaged goods because of the lack of protection. But just like the Pats didn't have Brady run they will not build and offense where Cam will have to run. But...in case things break down he will be much more mobile than Brady and more apt to gain the yardage by running. No he won't be as accurate as Brady but he just might revive his career with the Pats.
jmho good luck to him except of course when we play them. Oh but against the Ravens and Steelers be play like a HOFer!
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You take shots on reclamation projects and sometimes they pay off, other times they're Josh Gordon.
Players will take less money to play for a winner. That team has been bleeding talent for awhile, though (players and coaching). No Tom Brady, either. We'll see how it goes.
Maybe Cam can regain his MVP form, but it's been awhile since he showed it. I can't even say I know who his weapons will be anymore.
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