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...It was Baker. Baker's the source. OBJ gave him lessons on trying to force oneself off of a team.

I kid, but at the same time, it would be a very Browns thing to go down. And I can't rule it out. I could see a reporter calling Baker to get his feelings on Cleveland's pursuit of Watson and his being emotional enough to vent.


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Somebody saw another chance to take a cheap shot at Baker… So we'll have to see where that got them.



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We'll have to agree to disagree - our TE's are not solid when your top guy has only averaged 30 receptions per year over the last 5-years. In 2021, 37.6% of his total yardage production came in one game when he went 7/149. The other 16 games he was 29/326 which was consistent with his production the previous 4-years. In 2020, the Browns playoff year, over 13 games Njoku blistered the stat line with 19/213. Nope, the Browns TE's are not solid by any stretch of the imagination. Those who keep saying he has a high upside - I ask - how long do we wait for that upside to materialize? Afterall, it's been 5-years and we're still waiting while people on this forum are crucifying Mayfield for a single season after a playoff appearance and being rated a top-5 QB in 2020 and then completed 81.6% of his passes in 2021 the first 2 games prior to his injury. Hmm, 14 bad games after exhibiting a really high upside - ship his azz out - 5-years waiting for that upside - give him 10.931M franchise tag which is an 81.8% raise.

So right now, the Browns are sitting on $16,263,641 in available cap. Hubbard, Walker and Grant's contracts haven't been released yet because they haven't signed so they haven't been applied to the cap. The Browns are missing 1 or 2 starting WR's on offense still. The Browns also need to address the defense where they have lost 2 DT's, Clowney at DE and what was originally thought to be an upgrade at LB in addition to special teams and depth. IMHO, the Browns surely don't expect to start 2 rookie WR's or 3-4 rookies on defense if they expect to be competitive in the AFC North. The Browns have been very quiet since FA started and have many big holes to fill. It will be interesting to see how the Browns address the holes over the next few days and months.


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That's the thing about sources. It's a lot like statements made by the FO. When a source says something people agree with they're a great source. When that exact same source says something they don't agree with, they become sketchy.

Yes, that's why if they don't put a name to it, I don't put much truth to it without more to back it up. I do believe where there is smoke there is most likely fire.


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How do you see that Tweet as being against Baker?


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I understand that POV. I rely more on the actual source that's Tweeting the information. I can understand why giving up your source would make it impossible to get future information. If the person tweeting the information is reputable for the most part I give it a lot more credence than someone of a more questionable reputation or some hack from a fan site.


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You forgot the +9.5 for Hooper won't be reported until June 1st ... So without Hubbard Walker and Grant we have $25,763,641


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Not to be difficult but the Browns have to carry Hooper's 13.254M as part of the cap until June 1. That money is not available for use until after June 1 so no - the Browns do not have $25,763,641 available.


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We're all trying to read between the lines, so I understand that not everyone will agree with this take.

oobs...go ahead and make another of your MANY EXCUSES for the worst owner in the NFL and the BASEBALL GUY Jimma hired to run interference for him.

Neither Jimma or Depo are qualified to lead a NFL franchise, but you are welcome to continue making excuses for their performances.

If you were an NFL player, would you want to work for an owner like Haslam or his sidekick, the BASEBALL GUY?

Jimma and Depo threw Mayfield under the bus, SPOUTING..."we want an adult for QB"...BEFORE THEY HAD WATSON SIGNED...

OOBS..how freaking stupid was that comment, BEFORE WATSON MADE A COMMITMENT TO PLAY FOR JIMMA AND DEPO...?

If I'm Watson, I view that comment as a prelude to how Jimma and Depo would treat me if their plan didn't work out as they imagined. Watson had to think that he would be thrown underneath the Jimma/Depo BUS if Watson in Cleveland didn't go as well as Jimma expected.

Some of you don't even want to think about the damage Jimma and Depo just did to this franchise...

oobs...you can pretend all you want but I doubt that any free agents considering the Browns as a potential landing spot won't look at this fiasco as a WARNING, that Cleveland under Jimma Haslam and depo...NOT A PLACE THEY WOULD WANT TO PLAY FOR.





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Originally Posted by steve0255
Not to be difficult but the Browns have to carry Hooper's 13.254M as part of the cap until June 1. That money is not available for use until after June 1 so no - the Browns do not have $25,763,641 available.

Its still there ???


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This divorce is going to be messier than Johnny Depp and Amber Heard's!

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If you didn't see this coming raise your hand!

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IF correct, and true................the Browns just screwed up in a huge way. Poor Amari...........like "what the ????"

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Pretty much.


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If Seattle offers a #1 Baker would be traded today ...


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The Organization just wiped all the good feelings of the 2020 , 11-5 season at light speed. Players have to be shaking their heads. Going to be an interesting locker room & it will be all Bakers fault..lol

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Man this FO is turning into a clown show. They def. get an F so far this offseason. They will have to draft 5 pro bowl players to even get back to a C with all this drama


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What else did Berry expect ? In my foggy mind I kinda think that the Watson deal was Haslam & Stefanski and Berry got caught in the middle . Not sure about Depo.

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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Somebody saw another chance to take a cheap shot at Baker… So we'll have to see where that got them.



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Originally Posted by Milk Man

The Seahawks? What QB do they have to give us in return?


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Originally Posted by tastybrownies
The Seahawks? What QB do they have to give us in return?

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I hope we keep Baker and think he will play really well this season, as long as he stays healthy.

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the great Drew Locke

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Just heard on 92.3 the fan, Ken Carmen said to trade Baker to the Jaguars to be Trevor Lawrence's backup, lol.


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Dude is weak.... not surprised... really was hoping we could move forward with him this year, but at this point if you get a good offer then trade him and move on...


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Originally Posted by Milk Man
Pretty much.


Pretty much. Browns are not going to publicly say 'yes' and lessen the leverage with other teams.


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JMHO, we spent the NUMBER ONE pick on a guy who Dorsey the great thought had lots of MOXIE/ATTITUDE and would make winners of all around him. Turns out we got one VERY SWEET playoff win over PIT, and one nice season...yet, drama, drama, drama raises its head once again. Pay me, I don't want you to bring competition into the equation. He's not very smart tackling a guy after getting picked.....especially in a show me year. He's worked hard, and he's better than Manziel....but as a NUMBER ONE pick....he's a bust. And, he's such an adult he demands a trade.....boo-hoo for the millionaire. These guys have NO idea what the real world is like. We are all suckers for spending money and time on them. Including me. Go Browns!!!


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Originally Posted by jaybird
Dude is weak.... not surprised... really was hoping we could move forward with him this year, but at this point if you get a good offer then trade him and move on...

Mentally weak and extremely sensitive. This was one of the reason he left Texas Tech as well. Klingsbury wouldn't just hand him the job wanted him to compete with Davis Webb that Spring.

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I think Baker is making a mistake asking for a trade.

I don't think it helps his position or makes him more attractive to another team.

Football is a business.

Jimmy G went out and played when SF drafted Lance.

He did not go out begging or gripping about them drafting Lance or, requesting a trade.

Every player knows this is a business. Unless you are playing at a high level. Your job is at risk. Baker is foolish if he thinks he should be immune.

His absolute best course of action is to shut up and play his best. He will increase his value by doing that.


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I agree, Ken. I agree.


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While funny to contemplate, I highly doubt your #1 QB for the past couple years acting like this was part of any plan.


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They completely effed this whole thing up and now they’ll be in spin mode


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The Seahawks can send the Browns Drew Locke.

It's looking like this will be Berry and Stefanski's last year in Cleveland.

Of course, they can trade for injured throwing shoulder and oft injured Jimmy G who's only played 1 full season in the 5-years he's been in SFO that's in the final year of his deal and will cost the Browns 25.55M at least for a day. You can bet any restructure would have to be an extension costing way more than that 25M.

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I have always backed Baker I love his competitive attitude, BUT, he is now showing his true self, its not about the team or his teammates, its all about him, get the best deal youcan and send him packing, let his attitude of self-righteousness destroy some other teams locker room ...


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Originally Posted by steve0255
It's looking like this will be Berry and Stefanski's last year in Cleveland.

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idont understand why Baker is mentally weak for this. lets be clear here; this wasnt some "hey lets see what we need to get watson". they flew on a private jet with a trade packaged already approved to go get him. From Baker's perspective, you damn right he should be asking for a trade.

i wanted Watson, but i also said that baker has every right to feel some type of way about it. that and the news about the FO wanting an adult in the room? yea im out.

now here's why i humble myself: i, AS A FAN, was convinced when posters and the media stated that AB had a plan even if we didnt ;amnd Watson.

Something tells me he actually didn't. and if Berry and the FO went into the watson sweepstakes as a a pure YOLO move, then that is beyond reckless and pathetic.


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