So how does watson's QBR stack up against Baker again?
I know your putting a dig on Vers. But as far as your question goes what are their career qb ratings average to stack them up against each other. In other words the whole picture.
A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives. – Jackie Robinson
I think we both know Tom Brady isn't the same QB today he was 10 years ago. Watson may never be the same QB he was in Houston. That's yet to be seen. Players have good seasons and bad seasons. Players face issues in their private lives that may greatly interfere in their on filed ability to perform. What a player did two years ago, three years ago and so on have nothing to do with how they are performing now.
We both know the NFL stands for "Not for long" if you don't continue to play on a high level.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
You must have missed the parameters that were outlined. Vers gave Mayfield's QBR for "this season". I'm simply following the parameters that were posted and given. If you have decided to move the goal posts on that, that's your decision to make.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I wasn’t moving any goal post. And yes I missed the post you’re talking about ver’s parameters. Never the less, I asked what their average was for their career to get the complete picture. Ignoring the larger picture and focusing in on a few games isn’t even aiming for the goal post.
A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives. – Jackie Robinson
Maybe you should look at how some players have played in the past compared to how they're playing now. Then ask yourself if how they played in the past has any relevance to how they're playing now. Once you figure that out you can see how your question isn't really important. And remember as you consider that, Derrick Carr was just benched. Russell Wilson has looked like garbage all year and Matty Ice has crapped the bed.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I agree to some extent. The coaching and scheme they're put into does impact their play. Then again I think a lot of factors play a part in that. You also in this case have to factor in he hadn't played a game in 700 days. Nobody can say for sure whether or not he can ever be the same QB he was before either way. I'm certainly not predicting that he won't be but on the other hand I'm not willing to say he will be. The jury is far from being in on that.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Looks like you’re ignoring the bigger picture with R. Wilson also. Denver has had the most injuries this year of any team in the NFL and worked with only one original starter WR who was also questionable from time to time. Not to mention the most terrible play calling and coaching staff in the NFL …axed, faster than a Kitchens and staff. Just saying a stat like the NFL QBR over a few games doesn’t really say too much.
A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives. – Jackie Robinson
I think you need to remember that it wasn't me who asked strictly for QBR numbers and ignored every other factor in the equation. Things like multiple coaches and OC's with all different systems to learn in a short period of time. QB's playing injured. When people wish to focus on nothing but raw numbers without any other factors in mind that's how things end up. Russell Wilson isn't the only QB in this discussion with extenuating circumstances to consider.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
How did Watson become part of the conversation? I saw a post or two about Baker. Some of his recent stats were posted. I made some sort of a comment about Baker being in the thread. I was informed it was a player news thread and it was totally appropriate. Thus, since it was appropriate, I post Baker's season stats instead of just a recent game or games. Somehow, Watson was brought into the picture. What does he have to do w/Baker's season stats? How did Watson have anything to do w/Baker's stats w/Carolina and LA? This is not just moving the goal posts, it's moving the entire field.
If someone wants to trash Watson by posting his QBR and PFF grades, please do so. I could care less. But Watson doesn't have a damn thing to do w/Baker's performance.
And Baker has nothing to do with the Stefanski led Browns sucking eggs worse than they have any year he's been here. I can open any thread and find a post of yours ragging on Mayfield, but a person has to look high and far to find any post from you showing disgust for the second year in a row a playoff caliber team finishing under .500. Baker hatred posts offers no opinion on the correction of a team that's going down the toilet faster than a floating turd. Not only that but the team currently has secured their position as the last place team in the AFC North with 2 weeks to go. You can spin it any way you like and continue beating up on a player long gone but the Browns are a last place team with the best OL in the NFL, #1 RB, #1 DE, top 5 CB, a #1 WR, and a 230M QB and they are the last place team in the AFC North and the 3rd worse team in the entire AFC. Whew, and you want to continue to talk about Baker - LOL.
Uhmmm.........I did not bring Baker up. Others did. Are you dictating who can comment on Baker and who can not? Who gave you that power?
As a forum member, I have the same power that you do so before questioning me, do a self-evaluation and recognize the number of times of you demanding Baker posts stop and your invitation to other forum members to leave the Browns forum. By the way - YOU ARE ALWAYS THE PERSON WHO BRINGS BAKER UP. Your hatred and Mayfield living in your head is well documented.
Baker's Cooking in LA | Kurt Warner Breaks Down the Game Tape | Baker Mayfield Los Angeles Rams
I know more than half of you don't care what Baker does, but Kurt Warner says he's still a starter and says some things that are pretty damning on Ski and Company.
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Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
Anyways..........the McDaniels/Carr story is pretty amazing. I hate to admit it, but I wanted McDaniels or Dan Campbell over Stefanski as HC. Campbell is actually doing a nice job, but McDaniels has sucked ass and he was my #1 choice. I was wrong. He is actually making Carr inactive for this upcoming game. WTH?!? He's a really great OC, but he looks like a total dufus as a HC.
So let me get this straight from you Vers:
The Raiders Offense in year 1 with McDaniel's calling the plays are scoring 23.2 PPG through 15 weeks The Browns Offense in year 3 with Stefanski calling the plays are scoring 21.5 PPG through 15 weeks The Raiders have a 6-9 record through 15 weeks The Browns have a 6-9 record through 15 weeks Carr has a passer rating of 86.3 through 15 weeks with McDaniels Brissett has a passer rating of 88.9 through 15 weeks with Stefanski Watson has a passer rating of 69.3 through 15 weeks with Stefanski The Raiders defense is allowing 23.3 PPG The Browns defense is allowing 22.9 PPG (blamed on the DC) The Raiders run defense is allowing 116.6 yard per game Ranked 15th in run defense The Browns run defense is allowing 134.3 yards per game Ranked 25th in run defense (Blamed on the DC)
If McDaniels has sucked ass and looks like a total dufus as a HC in year 1, what adjectives are you going to use for Stefanski's year 3 performance that has been in most cases even worse than what McDaniels has posted? Inquiring minds just want to know!
Baker's Cooking in LA | Kurt Warner Breaks Down the Game Tape | Baker Mayfield Los Angeles Rams
I know more than half of you don't care what Baker does, but Kurt Warner says he's still a starter and says some things that are pretty damning on Ski and Company.
Thanks for sharing - I watched last night and it's a great breakdown of what BM does well, the best I have seen.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
You think Stefanski sucks. Fine w/me and I won't try to change your mind.
It was your post where you jumped out there with the bias opinion that McDaniels sucked ass and looks like a total dufus out there as a HC. I just posted the stat comparison that shows Stefanski equal or worse in his own HC numbers produced this year and asked for your adjectives to explain Stefanski's coaching resume in 2022. I mean, I'm ok with you voicing your biased opinion about McDaniels, I just think that if the biased opinion is good enough for McDaniels then an equal or more critical opinion should be warranted and expected from you for Stefanski's equally poor performance. JMHO, you shouldn't throw rocks if you live in a glass house.
A side note, I don't think Stefanski sucks. IMHO, he is incapable of being a HC and the continued regression of a team that's playoff caliber is unacceptable. Add to that fact that he has taken no responsibility at all for the defense poor showing or special teams just screams replacement immediately. A HC is responsible for all aspects of the team, not just the offense. The Browns need an actual HC to right the ship. Besides, according to your biased opinion on McDaniels when applied equally to Stefanski: Stefanski "has sucked ass and looks like a total dufus out there as a HC" in 2022.
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See what happens when you actually try to talk football with him and have an actual point? He blames you for starting a fight and refuses to address it.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I took it that he didn't have much of an argument and took his ball and went home. When you call McDaniel's a dufus and then someone puts side by side meaningful stats McDaniels v Stefanski and Stefanski looks just as bad, what is your defense of KS going to be?
It's a lot like his accusation that I moved the goal posts and was looking to fight when I made a statement that no-one said Vers used a certain phrase ('the whole story") he then went on a tirade, quoted me and then claimed I had said "no-one" used that phraze. The black and white text was there to see what I said, Vers changed the argument in the space of 5 minutes and invented something I never said. It's a pattern of behavior we are all supposed to ignore apparently.
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
Tensions are strained in Baltimore between Lamar and the organization. The Ravens have a very tough decision to make this off-season. Is it a wise decision to fully commit to Lamar by giving him a better deal than the one Watson received?