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NFL QB Index: Ranking all 68 starting quarterbacks from the 2022 NFL season

My mistake. I thought the rankings were projections for 2023.

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No problem. I thought that might be the case.


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Kudos to the Browns for recognizing they needed a big-time QB who could compete w/Burrow and Lamar in their own division and some other excellent qbs in the conference.

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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Kudos to the Browns for recognizing they needed a big-time QB who could compete w/Burrow and Lamar in their own division and some other excellent qbs in the conference.

Lamar will be out of the league in 3-4 years with a blown knee or destroyed ankle and the Steelers will probably have to draft another QB in 2.


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Hopefully he can still compete with them. We certainly haven't seen that yet.


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I am glad that you posted that.

It is a perspective to keep in mind as to who DW is.

For those who wish to buy into his last six games; IMO that was nothing more than a snapshot from a distorted season.

The Browns took a risk and I for one am glad they did.

I do not think it needs to be stated DW has to perform at a elite level. The risk was taken based upon his previous performance.

IMO DW gives a chance that we were distant from before the trade.

I fully expect him to play at the level he has played when he had a full off season to prepare.

It is still a 53 man roster and the team has to improve in other area in order to fulfill their goals.

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Agreed. If we still had Baker we wouldn't have much of a chance in 2023 not with all the elite QB's in our conference.

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Originally Posted by ScottPlayersFacemask
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I say we trade Watson to Carolina for DT Derrick Brown and a couple of 1st round picks and then sign Derek Carr.

You aren’t taking into account the cap hit.

Out of curiosity what would the hit be? Would that be doable at all?

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Originally Posted by Frenchy
Originally Posted by ScottPlayersFacemask
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I say we trade Watson to Carolina for DT Derrick Brown and a couple of 1st round picks and then sign Derek Carr.

You aren’t taking into account the cap hit.

Out of curiosity what would the hit be? Would that be doable at all?

Watson is fairly untradeable at this point. Since his contract is 100% guaranteed, the other team would have to take on that entire remaining guarantee at the time of the trade.


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Well who wouldn't want to do that.
I don't think they are dumb enough, or whatever kind of way enough, to go from Watson to Derek Carr and a pick and a DT hope after 6 games and a partridge in a pair tree, but, I've underestimated them before.

What a fitting line of dialog for the @uarterback Carousel thread.


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Watson
3.5 wins per year the last 2 years combined.
79.1 qbr in a Browns uniform
0 wins against Burrows
0 wins against Lamar.
Franchise qb

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Originally Posted by Frenchy
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Originally Posted by dawg66
I say we trade Watson to Carolina for DT Derrick Brown and a couple of 1st round picks and then sign Derek Carr.

You aren’t taking into account the cap hit.

Out of curiosity what would the hit be? Would that be doable at all?

Purely a fantasy but I'll play. The Browns would trade out of the 184M guarantee that remains on Watson's contract which would be Carolina's responsibility going forward (46M per year).

The Browns would still be accountable for the year 1 salary they moved to prorate bonus and would take an immediate $35,972,000 cap hit for 2023 for the remaining prorated bonus. That would actually free up $19,021,000 in cap space from what the Browns were going to be charged.

Net - $19,021,000 gain in 2023 cap space.

Derrick Brown is in the final year of his rookie contract which is guaranteed in 2023. The Browns would pick up Derrick Brown's cap cost of $3,831,100 and the Panters would still be responsible for Derrick Brown's prorated bonus that sits at $3,684,801. Of course, the Browns would be responsible for inking Derrick Brown to a new deal starting in 2024.

Net - $15,189,900 left in 2023 cap gain.

Carr is a free agent so who knows how low/or high his deal will be, but Spotrac has listed his Market Value as 3-years, $113,379,519 for an Avg. Salary: $37,793,173 per season. That's $8,206,827 per season less than Watson's base salary deal.

Net - ($22,603,273) loss in cap liability for 2023 after the moves to this point and still getting the two first round draft picks. Prorating base salaries into bonuses could lower this initial hit but not considered at this point.

Based on current contracts and the above moves and nothing else, the Browns new cap liabilities would put them ($36,018,825) in the hole for 2023 requiring some major restructures to get under the cap limit before the March 15th deadline for Free agency and the draft.

If the Browns would restructure Carr just like they did Watson in year-1, the net team cap liability for 2023 would be ($8,386,634) while getting Carr, Derrick Brown, 2 first round picks (4-players) versus keeping Watson and the teams current cap liability for 2023 of ($13,415,552) before any other moves/restructures.

Of course, this is all fantasy and has zero chance of happening but interesting none the less.


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Do you know how to open the draft thread or post to it?


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Can we please give DW an off season learning our playbook, working with our receivers and especially working with Kevin S. before we start to make negative judgements about him. Let's give him a fair shot.

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j/c:

There is no way in the world the Browns want to trade Watson, yet people are playing along. Then, a guy says Watson will be out of the league and not one person disputed that.

Again, this place is an alternative universe.

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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
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There is no way in the world the Browns want to trade Watson, yet people are playing along. Then, a guy says Watson will be out of the league and not one person disputed that.

Again, this place is an alternative universe.


I said Lamar will be out of the league not Watson. Is that what you are referencing?


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Originally Posted by Homewood Dog
Can we please give DW an off season learning our playbook, working with our receivers and especially working with Kevin S. before we start to make negative judgements about him. Let's give him a fair shot.

Ummm, he just had one of those in 2022.


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
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There is no way in the world the Browns want to trade Watson,

Agreed. There is absolutely ZERO chance of it happening. It is beyond unreasonable to even consider. I think anyone suggesting it is just stirring the pot.


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Originally Posted by Homewood Dog
Can we please give DW an off season learning our playbook, working with our receivers and especially working with Kevin S. before we start to make negative judgements about him. Let's give him a fair shot.

Or positive judgement on him. Let's give it a fair shot.


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I don't see it happening either, I just threw it out there because 1: It gets us out of possible cap heck 2: Carolina was one of the teams supposedly interested in Watson and Derrick Brown would fill a huge need for us at DT. 3: We would still have a really good QB if we could sign Carr. and 4: we would possibly have 2 1st rnd picks to help strengthen the team.


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So our QB coach is gone.. does that help or hurt?



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Originally Posted by BADdog
So our QB coach is gone.. does that help or hurt?

Probably a non-factor.


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That depends on how the situation is handled. The timing of it is as good as it gets though. The new league year doesn't begin until March 15th so the Browns do have time before they have to make that call and whoever they hire will have the entire off season to work with watson. A name I've seen surfaced as a possible replacement is James Urban who is in his fifth season with the Ravens as quarterbacks coach. He and Stefanski are long time friends. Here is one such article....

A Potential Replacement For Drew Petzing on Browns Staff

https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/a-potential-replacement-for-drew-petzing-on-browns-staff


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Originally Posted by BADdog
So our QB coach is gone.. does that help or hurt?

Depends on who gets that job on the staff. Get the right person and we could very well be off to the races. I don't know who that would be by the way.


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Originally Posted by PrplPplEater
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So our QB coach is gone.. does that help or hurt?

Probably a non-factor.

I agree. Petzing was the TE coach for two years and had one year as the Browns QB coach. Could see the Browns promoting from within to the QB coach job. T.C. McCartney (current TE coach) was a previous QB coach with Denver and a QB himself at LSU (basically acted as a coach, did not see the field).

Zac Jackson was on with local Arizona sports radio discussing Petzing...

https://arizonasports.com/story/350...rray-meet-cardinals-new-oc-drew-petzing/

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Where done
New York beat us they got
Aaron Rodgers
Hardeman
Plus two firsts 2 seconds
Berry has run this team out of playoff contention.

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They swapped firsts.

Conditional second in 2024 if he plays then it converts to a one.

How did the Russell Wilson work out?

How about Trey Lance?

How about we wait and see what happens before we say that we are out of playoff contention?

I do not think that you or anyone else knows how we will play.

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3.5 wins average over the last 2 years.
Now we face a 250 million salary over 4 years.
Your right I do not know how he will perform this year.
How come you did not bring up that over hid last 2 years in Cleveland Mayfield average qb rating was higher plus he averaged 9.5 wins with the same team same coach?
Please answer the question

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"3.5 wins average over the last 2 years."

2021 Browns record was 8-9.
2022 Browns record was 7-10.

"How come you did not bring up that over hid last 2 years in Cleveland Mayfield average qb rating was higher plus he averaged 9.5 wins with the same team same coach?"

I do not understand your question?

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Mayfield 2020 11 wins
Mayfield 2021 8 wins
11 plus 8 Equals 19 divided by 2 Equals 9.5 wins
Browns last year 7 wins a 3 game drop under leshaun.
Plus no draft picks this year.
Jaylene Hurst called leshaun out
Al michaels called out the Browns
Burrows called out the Browns
Rather have those three then Mkc

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DW played six games. He was 3 and 3. ?

We have 8 draft picks.

The rest? I don't know what you are talking about.

What is your point? BM is better than DW?

I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by bonefish


What is your point? BM is better than DW?

I don't think so.


At this point, this is what I expect the outcome to be.


Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
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Originally Posted by Homewood Dog
Agreed. If we still had Baker we wouldn't have much of a chance in 2023 not with all the elite QB's in our conference.

Not for nothing, but has a Burrows led Bengals team ever beat a Baker led Browns team? I know, beating a dead horse.. But it's a thing..

I think, that if Watson returns to form, we have enough weapons to win it all. IF!

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How come you guys did not bring up leshauns playoff record
And all time worse stats?
No need to answer you can't teach a dog calculus

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Originally Posted by Damanshot
I think, that if Watson returns to form, we have enough weapons to win it all. IF!

Agreed "IF" thumbsup

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It may be worth your time to research his entire career numbers and look at advanced metrics.

I don't what your problem is?

Why do you feel it necessary to try insulting people?

I don't recall anyone insulting you. But if you wish to continue it would serve you well to at least have a knowledge base and come with some facts.

Your crystal ball predictions have little substance.

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You may want to look at him when he plays against
Lamar
Allen
Mahomes
Wilson.
Predictions nobody in are fantasy league drafted him.
Enough said
Like I said you cannot teach a dog Calculus
Have a nice day really wish you could talk football

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"Predictions nobody in are(the word our)(in case you need help) fantasy league drafted him."


Well nothing beats science. Your fantasy league I am sure is all knowing.

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They called 79 rating on Deshaun so did I
The Browns and leshaun last place for 2 years no predictions fact.

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