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https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/14/europe/putin-biden-better-for-russia-than-trump-intl/index.html

Putin says a Biden presidency is better for Russia than a Trump one

A Joe Biden presidency would be better for Russia than a Donald Trump one, Russian President Vladimir Putin told pro-Kremlin journalist Pavel Zarubin in an on-camera interview Wednesday.

Asked by Zuribin about the upcoming US presidential election, Putin said Biden would be better for Russia “because he is a more experienced person, he is predictable, he is a politician of an old formation.”

However, he added that Russia would “work with any leader of the US that gains the trust of the American people.”

Putin has a tradition of pontificating on US presidential politics.

In late 2015, the Kremlin leader praised Donald Trump as “a bright and talented person without any doubt,” and cast Trump as the front-runner for the election months ahead of the Republican National Convention.

The Russian president also did little to conceal his dislike of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. Putin would go on to deny Russian interference in the 2016 election and gloated in an interview about the 2016 hack of the Democratic National Committee, saying “there is nothing false about it, every single grain of it is true. And the Democratic leadership admitted it.”

President Joe Biden speaks in the State Dining Room of the White House on February 13, in Washington, DC.
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US President Joe Biden has not minced words about Putin since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, calling the Russian leader a war criminal – something Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov described as “absolutely unacceptable and inexcusable.”

The Russian leader’s comments also come in the wake of Trump telling a campaign rally he would encourage Russia to do “whatever the hell they want” to any NATO member country that doesn’t meet spending guidelines, something NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said put European and American soldiers at an increased risk.

Trump’s pledge - if delivered - would overturn the collective defense clause at the heart of the alliance. Putin has long criticized NATO and opposes its expansion.

In his interview, the Russian president said he regretted that he “didn’t start active actions in Ukraine earlier” than February 2022, claiming that Western leaders had lied to Russia about “not expanding NATO to the East.”

“We were and are concerned about the possibility of Ukraine being drawn into NATO, since this threatens our security,” Putin said.

Putin ‘didn’t fully enjoy’ Carlson interview
Putin also said that in order to judge the actions of the current US administration one should look at its “political position.”

“I believe that the position of the current administration is extremely harmful and erroneous,” Putin said in a reference to Russia’s war in Ukraine.

According to Putin, that war “could have been over a year and a half ago” if agreements during a meeting in Istanbul in March 2022 were kept.

Putin didn’t specify what agreements he was referring to, but he has in the past referred to a series of bilateral talks that took place between Russia and Ukraine in the weeks after the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, suggesting a deal was in place.

Those talks eventually faltered, and Ukrainian public opinion hardened against compromise with Russia after the uncovering of the mass killings of civilians by Russian forces in the town of Bucha and other liberated areas of Ukraine.

Putin also alleged that the Minsk agreements, a ceasefire protocol signed by Ukraine and Russia in 2015, was never meant to be kept but used “to buy time to load Ukraine with additional weapons.”

The Minsk agreements called for the removal of heavy weaponry from Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region, constitutional reform in Ukraine as well as the restoration of Ukrainian control of its state borders, among other things.

The order in which those measures would be implemented was never fixed, lower-level fighting continued and a so-called line of contact between Ukrainian forces and Russian-backed separatists remained largely stable between 2015 and 2022.

The US and its allies only ramped up military support to Ukraine significantly on the eve of the February 2022 invasion, as Russian forces massed around Ukraine’s borders, in particular rushing deliveries of anti-tank weaponry.

In his recent interview with far-right media figure Tucker Carlson, Putin said the US could “come to an agreement with Russia” on Ukraine, a suggestion that appeared to imply that an agreement could be brokered over the heads of the Ukrainians.

The Russian leader also expressed disappointment with Carlson. dismissively referring to the media personality’s interviewing style.

“I honestly thought he would be aggressive and ask tough questions. I wasn’t only ready for that, I wanted that, because it would give me the opportunity to give tough answers back,” Putin said.

“To be frank, I didn’t fully enjoy that interview,” he said.

This story has been updated with additional information and context.

Because he always speaks the truth and has our country in his best interest, and is never manipulative for any reason…………..

These remarks by Putin were not to HELP Biden but to denigrate and diminish him for Trump. Any idiot can see it’s propaganda, plain as the nose on your face.

It didn't seem to bother you when he wanted trump to be president.

Of course he wants Biden. He wants a weak Unites States leader. He waited until Biden was in office to attack Ukraine. He knows Biden would not try to stop him. So does North Korea, so does China, and so does Iran. A weak United States is bad for the world in general. It is good for the European Union and the World Economic Forum that wants to take over in 2030 though!

WOW, you bought Putins BS hook line and sinker.

Who stands up to Putin? Biden. Trump is his buddy.

Let me ask you, who has been more forceful against the Russians, the MAGA wing, or Biden?

Also, show me one time, just one time, where Trump stood up to Putin, and I’ll cede.

See, the thing is, like I’ve told you before, when your adversary acts against itself, you don’t have the same sense of urgency. Putin invaded in 2022, and when you look at the circumstances, he turned 70 that year, accomplished little in his goals to reclaim Russia, and Ukraine was gradually becoming more European, which he hated.

Trump did things to help Ukraine stand up to Russia, sure, like *check notes* withhold aid from them unless they looked into digging up dirt on his campaign opponent…

Biden formed the coalition that is aiding Ukraine in stopping Putin. You know, NATO and Allies? Remember them? I’d say Biden has blacked Putin’s eye, while Trump encourages hm to attack our FRIENDS and ALLIES! What a disgusting Traitorous POS he is. And anyone who still follows or roots for him is the same. Period.

Trump is also why you are not getting the border sealed. He doesn’t want action taken because it might huirt his chances of getting away with his crimes. Trump is also the reason GOPers keep taking huge L’s, and the power of the cult is too strong for their rational minds to acknowledge it. I could go on for days pointing out the ways you and your beliefs are wrong, but why should I? You don’t give a damn, because it’s really all about the hate.

I see a lot of hate in your post. You called a man a POS. I only pointed out a fact. Biden is weak. No hate. No name calling just he is weak. Only hate I see is in your post. Look into a mirror at what your spewing!!!

What "facts" did you point out? 05 asked you for some facts and you got nothing. It's Republicans refusing to help Ukraine fight against Russia. It's Republicans trying to gift Ukraine to Russia. They have you spreading their lies comrade.

If we're going to fight Russia let's go. Stop sending aid and put your money where your mouth is. Attack! Sending money to Ukraine is gaining us nothing but empty pockets. There is only one way to fight a bully and that is with force. Biden is just sinking money into a lost cause.

Biden has not been forceful with Russia. Putin plays Biden like a fool. Democrats are not tough on anything. The only thing Democrats are tough on is the foundation this country was founded on. Besides that, name 1 thing Democrats are tough on, Crime? Nope. Immigration? Nope? Cannot think of anything. They don't stand up for what is decent and right.

So rather than helping Ukraine fight Russia, the nation that is invading them, send our young men and women over there to die? Brilliant. How was trump forceful with Russia? Biden has actually been advocating we fund a war against Russia. Now, when you have nothing but empty words you want to change the subject? Can't say I blame you.

Biden is a moron. He may even be disable mentally. He is sending our money to a lost cause. Putin plays that idiot like a fiddle. Zelenski is corrupt as water is wet and yet that is who you choose to get into bed with. Be my guess. Either put up or shut up. But throwing money at a problem does not fix the problem.

So you just throw out a lot of word salad with nothing to support it. You do realize that trump mixed up Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi, right? And of course magnets don't work when they get wet. Or didn't the news channel you listen to tell you that? Speaking of "He may even be disable mentally." More excuses why you think we should hand Ukraine over to Russia. Putin approves of your message and thanks you comrade.

It does not matter what I think. Putin and Russia are winning that war, and no amount of money is going to prevent that from happening. So, if you want to save Ukraine you have to fight. That is the only measure at this point that will change the ultimate outcome. But yes, let's just throw money at the problem and say we did something. Let's just pretend were tough and do nothing. That is also a Democratic plan for most problems. Throwing money at education hasn't worked. Make the union leaders rich. It is a shame they don't share that with their teachers. Lawyers behind a desk pretending to support the same people that pay their salary. Throwing money at a problem!!!

Now you done poked the bear. How exactly is Zelenskyy corrupt? And honestly, the mental gymnastics you’re putting out there to say he’s corrupt and Netanyahu isn’t absolutely blows my mind. One has a Supreme Court case in his own country about it and the other one doesn’t. I think both have the right to defend themselves and their countrie and receive support from allies.

Russia rolls in for no reason, commits horrible human rights abuses, to the point an INTERPOL warrant is out for the Russian President for stealing children. Oh, and the mass graves in Bucha, but yes, let’s focus on how Zelenskyy is somehow corrupt. I don’t know how you can ignore such plain logic.

I’m all for sending Ukraine aid and the transparency. You again are talking about empty pockets, yet it’s not money we are sending them. I have talked about carving out a portion of our defense budget even to send aid to Ukraine since they’re basically doing what a huge chunk of our defense budget is meant to do, AND if Russia is victorious, things get way more expensive for us, not cheaper. I’ve explained that before, too.

Also, your mental gymnastics to say Dems are the ones who are enabling Russia is so flawed and not based in earthly logical reason. What’s my proof? Oh pretty much any time Trump has talked about Putin, most recently his social media posts about Navalny, dirt bags like dolphin-loving JD Vance making his statements in Europe and blatantly wanting to cut off aid to Ukraine, Tucker Carlson’s softball interview (even Putin referred to it as soft), and the list goes on.

I’m honestly dumbfounded by the desire to morph reality into such an off-base preconceived notion.

It’s almost like he thinks Russia is a super power… Have never seen a vet think like this and it’s greatly disturbing. Hell before Trump, the only time you ever heard half the crap we hear out of the right today was at clan rallies and American Nazi party gatherings.

Weak, Biden is weak? Show me where he's been weak with Putin... SHOW ME

ON the other hand, Trumps lips are permanently attached to Putins butt. That's not HATE, that's a FACT.

So Trump compared himself to Alexei Navalny. The gall of this POS.

Right now in the USA honestly feels like a history book level turning point…for the worse.

Unless people like us make a stand. And that doesn’t mean libs v GOPers… it means good decent people saying hell no to this Trumpian chaos and doing whatever it takes to preserve democracy.

I agree. It’s interesting. I think you and I have respectful differences on policy implementation and how to fix problems whereas we do agree on what the problems are. This is definitely a problem.

The Dems did enable Russia when they cheated during the 2020 election and put a weak man as President. The World needs a strong United States. What they got is weakness. Then Russia attacks Ukraine. Now that weak man wants us to throw money at the problem. Same song and dance the Dems always do. Mess things up and throw money at the problem. That does not work. Ukraine is a lost cause. Russia is gaining ground all the time and the outcome is just a matter of time. The bad players on the world stage all start to act out when we have a brain-dead buffoon as President.

Exactly how did the dems cheat in 2020? Or are you still parroting BS?

You still can't figure it out can you? Nobody cheated during the 2020 elections. Somebody did try to cheat after the 2020 election. Team trump. Russia is NOW gaining ground because you and your kind are holding up funding. Trump was the weakest president we have ever had against Putin. He stated just last weak that if any of our European allies were behind on their NATO payments he would encourage Russia to do “whatever the hell they want” to any NATO member country. What a traitor........ again.

This post defies all logic and reality.

His programming has been completed.

It really is jaw dropping. I'm just trying to follow the chain:

Trump never stands up to Russia.

Trump publicly sides with Russian President over American intelligence agencies.

Trump withholds aid from Ukraine unless they get "dirt" on his campaign rival.

Trump throws shade at NATO allies.

Trump says he'd tell Russia to do "whatever the hell they want" to NATO allies who fall short of the 2%.

Russia attacks Ukraine and commits horrid atrocities.

Biden, Dems and some Republicans advocate to send aid.

Trump and MAGA Republicans refuse aid.

JD Vance lies about the circumstances surrounding how aid is given.

And somehow, out of all those facts above, it's the Dems fault and Trump could fix it all.

UN-BE-LIEVABLE.

At times I almost believed that the "crazy MAGA" portrayal was somehow more of a caricature that the left had created. But then we see posts like his and all the "they're all communists" comments on this board and realize, no, it's a real thing and there's obviously more of them than we would like to believe. I would never have believed that so many of our own citizens would have climbed this far down the rabbit hole if I weren't witnessing it for myself.

Instead of saying it, I'll ask you what you think.. Are you a TROLL?

Asking for a friend

Not a troll. I see Democrats as pure evil. Supports abusing and murdering children with transgender surgeries and abortion. They cheated in the 2020 election. They tried to force free citizens into mandatory vaccines. The are the cause of the rise in crime in big cities with their soft on crime stances. They champion criminals over victims right to justice. See the police in New York and the immigrants. Speaking about immigrants and the drugs and criminals pouring over the border day after day. Support sexual predators and sexual deviants over family values. I do believe the Democrats are protecting powerful people and the human trafficking industry. I could go on and on and on.....

Family values? You mean like supporting a man who bragged about grabbing women by pu$$y? The man who had to pay off a porn star? The man who was just found liable for sexual assault? The man who cheated on all three of his wives? Are those the family values you're talking about? How are Democrats protecting the human trafficking industry?

Dear God man. You've lost all concept of reality. Over 60 court cases were lost over the claim that the election was stolen. The only people who tried to steal the election were trump and his cronies. The only people falling for the BS you are posting are right wing nut jobs.

Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true, buuuut...here's an interesting quote:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it's true."

-Joseph Goebbels

This is why I’m so icy in my humanity toward everything MAGA. The idiocy on display is magnitudes beyond what I thought decent Americans were capable of. I get it’s a cult. I get they are brainwashed. But I will never get past the fascism, the traitorous acts, and the authoritarianism they are begging for… That’s when I finally thought, “These people don’t want to be saved from themselves. They would rather burn democracy to the ground than face the changes of progress, equality, historical truths, and simple American reality.”

This time of great divides and political strife is, was, and always will be the byproduct of the right’s hate, political zealotry, intolerance, and embracing of ignorance. When the hell did things like competency, education, expert credentials, law and order, rule of law, our most cherrished institutions, or generally believing in one’s own eyes to discern fact from fantasy/fiction/propaganda/lies become an existential threat to GOPers? And why? And what the hell is their plan going forward, living in a fantasy world where dictators are champions of and for the people? WTF? That’s dystopian as hell. You can’t make this crap up!

There is one party trying to change sacred documents of our Republic and that is the Democrats. They hate the Constitution and are always attacking it. The United States is a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy. The founding fathers wanted that so change would be slow, methodical, thought out so mistakes would not be made. Those championing a pure Democracy are the same one's championing authoritarianism and fascist ideas. Calling those that oppose change fascist is not so. Your rant exposes exactly the problem in this country.

How are they trying to change the constitution?

Trump claims grounds for "termination" of U.S. Constitution

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-claims-grounds-termination-us-constitution-twitter/

Try to keep up will ya?

Ever heard of the 2nd Amendment. It is always under attack.

How about the Electoral College?

Again. I could go on....

Day, you can reply and engage all you want, but you are the type of person I’m talking about. You’ve been fed so much BS from the right, you don’t know what’s real and what’s BS anymore. I don’t want to hate on you or constantly brow beat you, but you refuse to see what’s right before your eyes then blame the left for hiding crap, being sneaky, or any other damn thing you can think up… But for 65% plus of Americans and 80% plus of the rest of the free world think you are wrong. I don’t want a response, I just ask that you reflect on my last sentence before your next post in response.

65% of Americans huh!!!! I think that number is off. I think we have a 45% right a 45% left and a 10% independent that decides most elections. That is why the country is divided right now. There is a globalist movement faction that is setting up a one world government that agrees with the left and that is why the push to change America is coming from.

The War on Easter is right around the corner. Better stock up!

I hate to brow beat you, too, like OCD said, but a lot of what you post - using your own words - is "I think" vs "This is what the facts are." That is the problem.

Almost a century ago, in Germany, based upon the quote I said earlier, and based upon the repeated lies of one man, many people thought Jews were the reason Germany lost WW2, and that they sought to oppress the German population through the financial system, and that they were "polluting" the German race.

Right now, via the words of Putin in his Carlson interview, many in Russia think that Poland apparently started WW2, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was benevolent, that Ukrainians aren't real people, and those that seek self-determination there are Nazis.

Right now, people in North Korea think their leader possesses semi-divine powers.

When we allow ourselves to be consumed by anger, we then can be taken advantage of by someone who feigns empathy toward that anger, directs it toward a group of people, champions himself a hero, and then achieves self-fulfilling power to achieve his own goals often at the detriment of society. When reviewing this from an outside or a post-facto lens, we often wonder "How in the heck could people have thought this?" I thought that, and still think that. But I've noticed more and more lately that people will morph reality to conform with their beliefs and thoughts, regardless of how asinine they are, because on some level, that is more comforting to us than even possibly questioning the idea that "Maybe my world view is wrong."

I see leftist beliefs as wrong. Plain and simple. They do not conform to what our founding fathers set up as the life blood of our society. The way of life in this country is being threatened and it is coming from the left. No where in our history has this country ever condoned the beliefs that Democrats are forcing down our throats now. This country is not a Democracy and never has been. When that buzz word is being used it is being used for a purpose. This country is a Constitutional Republic. It changes slowly and not this radical change the progressive left is trying to force on people. The left has a belief that they are right and everyone else including the founding fathers are wrong and they want to change the culture of this country. The fabric that this country was built on. In other words, the Democrats are selling this country out to the globalists.

There is your challenge. It is a good/bad mentality, instead of a disdain for the absurd nature and inherent inconsistencies of political discourse. Find me where it talks about political parties in the Constitution.

The last constitutional crisis was created by none other than Donald J. Trump and his fake electors. Jan 6 aside, no other proof is necessary.

You are flat out wrong about Democrats hating the constitution. I don't know who fed you or why you wrote that line, but making silly statements anyone for anyone discussing their constitutional beliefs is mind numbingly crazy talk - see Amendment 1.

You can't talk about the founding fathers wishes for change. One thing for sure is that they created a document that could be amended, and in fact it took 10 amendments just to get it passed. We have had amendments and repeal of amendments. And I will strongly suggest that no founding father ever considered the constitution sacred. They knew it was flawed. Read "Summer of 1787" for additional insight.

Don't equate champions of a pure democracy with those championing authoritarianism and fascists. That is wrong on so many levels.

An unintended consequence of the Constitutional Republic is that it favors a 2 party political system. Washington did not want to be associated with any political party.

At one time the Republicans were the liberals, the party was founded by those who wanted to end slavery. Politics has an ebb and flow and now the Republicans are more conservative, in part because democrats supported the idea of civil rights. What is right for an individual may not be the same as what is the party platform. See Republicans that support abortion, or democrats who like robust military spending.

Name calling has gotten so in vogue these days, partially because of the vile stuff that came out of media celebrities mouths beginning in the late 80's. That was picked up by cable news outlets, then the politicians. Now we have to deal with verbal flamethowers who do nothing except solicit donations via their Twitter account.

When everything is black and white, there is no room left for grey, or an intelligent discussion or respectful political discourse. That is the real risk of today. Politics requires communication and consensus.

A quote from abe is added.

"It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Very well said. I love that you brought Washington into it. He expounds on political parties in his farewell address, stating:

"One of the expedients of party to acquire influence
within particular districts is to misrepresent the
opinions and aims of other districts. You cannot shield
yourselves too much against the jealousies and heart
burnings which spring from these misrepresentations.
They tend to render alien to each other those who
ought to be bound together by fraternal affection."

***

"However combinations or associations of the above
description may now and then answer popular ends,
they are likely, in the course of time and things, to
become potent engines by which cunning, ambitious,
and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the
power of the people and to usurp for themselves the
reins of government, destroying afterwards the very
engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."

***

"I have already intimated to you the danger of
parties in the state, with particular reference to the
founding of them on geographical discriminations.
Let me now take a more comprehensive view and
warn you in the most solemn manner against the
baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally"

***

"The alternate domination of one faction over
another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to
party dissension, which in different ages and countries
has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a
frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more
formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and
miseries which result gradually incline the minds of
men to seek security and repose in the absolute power
of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some
prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his
competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of
his own elevation on the ruins of public liberty."

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Sure seems like he was onto something...

Some questions and thoughts.

What beliefs do you consider wrong?

What is so special about your beliefs that make you think that everyone should abide by them?

Why do you think you can speak for the founding fathers?

Do you understand that this United State of America is a constitutional republic has its representatives elected by a democratic process? You seem to keep forgetting the second half. In fact that was changed by amendment back around 1920 to have senators elected by the people of a state.

Why do we need slow change? Who made up that rule? Where is that written into the constitution? Do you realize that some amendments were very quick to be passed, I think the voting rights act lowering the age to 18 was one of them.

Who gives you the authority to speak for the left, you are obviously not one of them and even though I am not one of them would object to this characterization. What don't you understand about "all men (and women) are created equal".

I thought this country was built on ground not fabric.

Some would say that those evil capitalistic Republicans are the globalists.

I have read Washington's words before, and believe them to be true.

Some days, I think banning of political parties would be the preferable alternative, but obviously not possible - See Amendment 1.

I judge the Democrats on the fruit they produce, and it is rotten fruit.

The big cities are overcome with crime due to soft on crime Democratic prosecuting attorneys and judges.

Defund the police. How has that worked out for you?

Support for hate groups like BLM and Antifa. Riots in the streets and rioters bailed out of jail by your Vice President Kamala.

Girls and women losing their right to privacy with support for the transgender sexual deviants.

Girls and women losing many privileges like scholarships in athletics to naturally born males. Other girls and women being injured competing vs those same boys and losing out on their hard work and dreams by losing to those natural born boys/men.

The 2nd amendment under attack constantly. We the people have a right to defend ourselves.

Murder of babies. Abortion is murder.

Mutilation of children. Transition surgery for children under 18 is mutilation. If an adult wants to mutilate themselves have at it.

Now you ask why I see the Democrats not respecting this country. Who took the Pledge of Allegiance out of our schools? Who kneeled for our National Anthem? Who burned the flag of our country in the streets?

Socialism does not work. Has never worked. What it does is return the people to peasants and the elites into a ruling class. I guess that is what you people want. Not for me!!!

Homeless camps in the streets on California, Portland, Seattle. Is that what we want in our Country. Republicans did not cause those homeless camps. That is from years and years of Democrats decisions being made. Human waste in the streets causing what diseases Go only knows.

No border. Criminals, drugs, human traffickers pouring over our border daily.

Globalists do not believe in borders. People that believe in Sovern nations believe in borders.

That is judging a political party by its fruit. The same political party that founded the KKK. Founded Jim Crow laws. The Republican party fought the war to free slaves. The Republican party was on the right side of history then and they are again on the right side of history now.

Not that I support all of that, but it’s a lot better than supporting Putin’s mass killing and the spread of communism like all you trump loving GOPers do.

Here's the funny thing. I think your view is horribly slanted and inaccurate, but I don't actually like the Democrats much either. Right now, though, I see the MAGA wing of the Republicans as a greater societal threat, though. Their cuddling to Putin and Orban is one of many reasons why.

Your post is deflection, though, from the topic at hand.

Here is my view on Putin. If you don't want Russia to take Ukraine, then join the fight. Don't just throw money at Ukraine and waste the money on a lost cause. As much as everyone says Trump cuddles Putin and takes his words out of context. He stated what he would do if he was Putin because he sees the weakness of Biden and NATO. He never said he would not stop that if President. Putin knows that Trump is strong, and he never would have invaded Ukraine if Trump wasn't cheated out of the 2020 election. Elections have consequences and Ukraine is now paying the price.

Delusion.

IMO, the rest of your post is a lot of misrepresentation and/or untrue. However, your overall point (which I left in the quote above) is true, IMO. Your overall point is NOT wrong here.


However...

Republicans, especially the MAGA wing, are no better. They're just as bad as the democrats that you've demonized. The disconnect that I see, is that while I can sorta agree with you about Democrats, you want to flip that into support for Republicans and Trump. That has been the Republican playbook (absence of any sort of platform or plan, just point at Dems and call them bad), and you're buying it. Just because Dems are bad, doesn't mean Republicans are good.

It's gotten so bad, that Republican candidates are running solely on their support for Trump. That's literally their entire platform... supporting a guy that has lost 2/2 popular votes, has seemingly run out of time and is about to pay the piper in terms of his illegal activities, tried to overthrow a democratic election, and who can't seem to get along with our allies (especially when he's actively undermining them) and only gets along with dictators.

So you don't want to throw money (it's actually equipment/ammo that we're sending) at Ukraine, but you'd rather throw American lives and (here's the kicker) MORE equipment to equip said American soldiers? That makes zero sense.

Ukraine is not a lost cause. They've demonstrated that during the initial wave of the invasion when Russia tried to go straight to Kiev, and then the first spring counteroffensive. When they are properly equipped, they have been successful. When that equipment is held back (mostly by MAGA Republicans loyal to Trump) then Ukraine's effectiveness is degraded. The argument that we shouldn't send equipment because they haven't been effective lately because we've held back equipment is so transparently stupid.

Trying to link the 2020 election to Russia's invasion of Ukraine is something, but you're ignoring Trump's withholding of aid to Ukraine in the year leading up to the initial invasion. You can't try to argue one and then ignore the other (without looking like a stooge).

I understand that's what you call sensible gun control.


Who and when has anyone challenged the electoral college in the SCOTUS? But I do understand that since your side is the one that keeps winning while losing the popular vote you don't think everyone's vote should be counted equally. Because you know, lines on a map mean more than people's votes do.


Please do. I've been hearing "Democrats gonna take mah guns!" since the 1980's. Yet they haven't tried to yet. You keep believing that BS.

So first people claim Putin wants Biden to be president. Then we find out that Russian intel planted a lie that was presented to congress that would have implicated Joe Biden into Hunter Biden's business dealings. yeah that sounds like he wants Biden elected. Now we have trump refusing to call out Putin ion the death of Navalny. The only sane republican running for the nomination calls him out on it.....

Haley presses Trump to call out Putin amid silence after Navalny death

GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley pressed former President Trump to call out Russian President Vladimir Putin in the wake of opposition leader Alexei Navalny’s death, while arguing that his silence is “a problem.”

“Anybody that can’t call out a dictator, that’s a problem,” Haley, the former governor of South Carolina, said in the interview on CNN’s “The Source” with anchor Kaitlan Collins.

“You know, he should be calling – not just calling Putin out for what happened to Nalvany, he should be calling Putin out for the fact that he’s got Evan Gershkovich as a hostage,” she continued, referring to The Wall Street Journal reporter who has been detained in Russia for nearly a year. “He should be calling out Putin for invading Ukraine.”

Her comments come after Navalny, 47, was found unresponsive by the Russian Federal Prison Service. He had been serving a 19-year sentence on charges of extremism in one of Russia’s highest-security prisons in a remote area known for severe winters.

The opposition leader, who grew from a blogger to Putin’s chief rival, is just the latest of the Russian president’s critics to be found dead — which has sparked international concerns about whether the Kremlin was involved.

Haley, like many others, have accused Putin of orchestrating Navalny’s death.

“Putin did this,” she wrote Friday morning on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, in response to the news. “The same Putin who Donald Trump praises and defends. The same Trump who said: ‘In all fairness to Putin, you’re saying he killed people. I haven’t seen that’.”

She echoed those claims Saturday, arguing Trump’s praise of Putin has only “emboldened” him, including aggressive comments the former president has made about NATO. His harsh criticism of the treaty alliance centers on efforts to get NATO members to commit 2 percent of their GDP to defense spending — or else, he vowed to rescind protection and signaled he would “encourage” Russia to attack them.

“That means Donald Trump is siding with a thug who kills his political opponents,” Haley said. “He’s siding with someone who has made no bones about wanting to destroy America. He’s siding with someone who arrests American journalists and holds them hostage.”

Navalny’s death was confirmed by his family Saturday, who said he was murdered, and they have pushed Russia to return his body.

President Biden also blamed Putin for his death Friday.

“Make no mistake: Putin is responsible for Navalny’s death. Putin is responsible,” he said from the White House. “What has happened to Navalny is yet more proof of Putin’s brutality. No one should be fooled.”

The president had previously given a warning to Putin in a 2021 meeting in Geneva that there would be “devastating” consequences if Navalny were to die.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4474409-haley-trump-putin-navalny-death-silence/

Like I said to Day earlier in the thread, give me an example of just one time Trump stood up to Putin.

So many red flags and "bricks" like we've talked about ad nauseum, but they go ignored.

But, hey, grocery carts and subway stations and whatnot, amiright?

You're right.