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Trump is a fascist, period. We told you who he was. What he’s doing in LA is illegal AF and the SCOTUS in his pocket gave him permission to be a dictator. I hope they all go down in the most violent way.

Violence and calling for violence isn't the answer .... If anything you're just enabling Trump and his Trumptards. What is happening is wrong, but violence isn't the answer.

This.

We've heard threats of a civil war from some of those from the other side for a while now. Using violence in defense of one's family is one thing, but outright condoning violence against your political enemies is quite another.

51/50

Your idol man god is a fascist turd. Time to burn it all down.

In normal times, you and Pit would be absolutely on point. But these are not normal times and these are not normal people. I wouldn’t even call them the same species. More neanderthal troglodyte than modern human. I apologize to neanderthals for the comparison.

You may want to put the crack pipe down and walk away slowly!!! Find somewhere to rest and come down.

You may want to shut your pie hole. Go crawl back into the slime that spawned you. And when you goad me into a ban, your ref buddies will give you a pass on calling me a crack smoker.

Just trying to help with some friendly advice.

insurrectionists attack the capital, he does nothing. He starts a fight with ICE as his weapon and gets all upset when people stand up to him. Then he sends in 500 or so Marines....

American citizens are about to get killed by other American Citizens.

You wanna explain how you can stand up for someone that does that?

So now Trump is sending Marines into LA? WTF? Fascist wussies.

You’re as helpful as cancer.

I think it’s time for vets to rain on Trump’s parade.

700 Marines being sent in.

Newsom sues on grounds if unconstitutional deployment of the National Guard.

Trump says he would support border czar’s arrest of Newsom.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/la-immig...national-guard-deployment-170026380.html

After careful analysis I have determined that there is an indirect relationship between the number of times one uses the words fascist, Nazi and Hitler and how much one knows about fascism, naziism and Hitler. I’ll use you as exhibit A.

This is 100% correct. Those who have no idea what fascism is say the word as a trigger and apply it to anything they don't like emotionally to try and validate their thoughts.

The people who really know what fascism is don't use that word because hardly anything we see today deserves that nomenclature, certainly not anything in the US that's for sure.

He makes everything about emotions, which is all Democrats have sans logic.

I predicted that by summer the lefties would start rioting.

This isn't protest. It's organized terror.

The problem the sensible dems have is 30 % of your party is infested by crackpots like OCD as members. The sooner you sensible ones start to decry those people, unfortunately, you get lumped in.

The problem is that you are just as much if not more delusional than those you point the finger at. Or were you talking about trump's invasion of L.A. with a military presence?

These people rioting are not common citizens. They are not hard-working productive people. These people are waving a mexican flag and burning the American flag. Think about that. They are attacking the best of our Country. The men and women in uniform. For what Criminals. People that have caused havoc in our country. We have citizens that have been raped and killed because of these criminals. Look at these rioters do they look like salt of the earth people? No they are people that want to destroy property. Burn cars. Attack police. Throw fireworks, bottles, and rocks at the men and women that place their selves between us and what elements try to cause us harm. Trump is trying to clean up a mess left by the previous administration and stupid people are standing in the way.

Precisely.

Yup.

I always find it amusing how those who support the military be there use the worst of what's happening to try to depict what's actually happening. While there are hours upon hours of peaceful protests they could show you, they won't. This is limited to a very small portion of L.A. while life goes on as normal in over 90% of the city. But to here trump's home boys tell it the city is burning down.

You're either all helping him spread his propaganda or you've all once again been brainwashed.

Brainwashed,an interesting word.
You were one of the first to complain about sending in the Nat'l Guard. Your an intelligent guy,let me ask you a question.
If the guard wasnot sent in,do you believe that Karen Bass and Newsome,those hallmarks of critical thinking,could have handled the situation?

The problem is the National Guard was not sent in to control the peaceful protest. If people would/could remain peaceful everyone even if they disagree supports their rights to peacefully protest. But lines have been crossed, and the rioters MUST be dealt with and controlled. That is what is needed in a civilized society. The National guard was sent in to deal with the rioters. It is unfortunate for those peacefully protesting that those that cannot remain peaceful has caused their stance and voice to not be heard. Anarchy cannot be allowed to continue whether you agree or disagree with original decision that is being protested to begin with.

Since it got far worse after the Guard arrived it seems as though they had a better handle on it than enraging people further. And actually I never mentioned that until the last day or so. I don't think the Guard was needed because the protests are being conducted within a small, contained area. It is not some kind of city wide riot as it is being presented. Nobody is "burning the city down" which is yet another lie trump is telling for justification. And for the most part the Guard is standing behind the police in a back role and are protecting federal buildings. It's not as if their primary job there has been engaging the protestors.

I think it's more a political stunt than anything else. And this sending in active duty Marine troops is even further evidence of it. Surely you don't think they need to send in active duty Marine troops do you?

Only the National Guard isn't dealing with those people. They are standing behind local and state law enforcement. They are not directly engaging with any of those people. They are doing nothing more than playing a support role and protecting federal buildings.

It's odd that you pick and choose when anarchy upsets you.

You are a person who advocates law enforcement uses live rounds on these people. You have already overplayed your hand.

The voices of the peaceful protestors could be heard if you and your kind weren't concentrated on ignoring them and focusing on the minority of people and time that the others are committing crime and violence which is your only message of focus.

The peaceful protestors offer no threat toward the men and women in uniform. When the bad apples come out, they ruin the whole batch, and the officers cannot stop and ask questions to find who is peaceful and who is not.

And yet you still claimed the Guard was sent there to confront the protestors. That's not what's happening. Did you see the video where the officer targeted a reporter and shot her with as rubber bullet? I posted it for you. Not everyone an uniform is an outstanding and noble person. Just as with any profession, to use your own words, there are "bad apples" among them. Just as it is with the protestors. Did that cop who purposefully shot that reporter "ruin the whole batch"?

Ok thanks

Everyone who is acting violently should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I don't really see anyon on here who isn't making that point. All the people engaging in violence or violating laws should be condemned and prosecuted. Peace on that front.

The bigger issue is the escalation of which. POTUS directly contradicted his own stance on when to send in national guardsmen, coordinating with the state and local levels. It became clear that Newsom and the mayor did not want the National Guard nor the Marines deployed. That happened, and from what I've seen, things escalated substantially.

Again, it's the desire to turn everything into a spectacle.

Gavin Newsome's state of California had over 2,200 murders in 2024 vs Alabama's over 700 murders. Using rate is just a way to divert reality.

So per capita means nothing to you? It figures. I'm sure an accurate picture offends you.

Reality. 1 State had 1,500+ murders more than another. Plain and simple. Any other way to present that figure is it distract from reality.

Ok thanks

No it's not. Ignoring the population and how many murders there are per 1000 people is a distraction from reality. This is why people such as yourself are so easily fooled. According to you if a state with 5,197,720 people has less murders than a state of 39,529,000 people that somehow means the state with 39,529,000 has more murders because the murder rate should not be counted?

So nearly eight times as many people should have less murders or the same amount of murders as a state with one eighth the population? No wonder people like you thought the 2020 election was stolen.

Doesn't take long for those who troll on the right to try and introduce Hitler and Nazi verbaige into the conversation .... just wait, in another day or two they will claim that it was someone like OCD, Pit or Daman that introduced this part of the conversation.

As for Facism - I quoted the definition on another thread ... and it's easy to argue Trump's administration is authoratarian, is stripping and limiting the rights of cisitizens while giving more power to the government.... Maybe you can tell me how that does or does not fit into the definition of Facism.

Alabama has ~5m people, and CA has almost 40m. Less than a million people TOTAL live in the top 4 cities in AL, whereas just over 3.5m people live in Los Angeles alone.


So you can yap "Reality" all you want, but you're comparing apples and oranges right now.

Which is one reason he will never have a career picking fruit.

This logic is the same logic used to try to convince someone that Chicago is safer than a small town. Where there are a couple domestic violence deaths a year that cause the murder rate to look high when in Chicago, there are gang wars in the streets. The murder rate is lower in Chicago because of population but the small town is much much much safer to live in. Using rate is just using statistics to skew a losing argument. Bottom line is Alamba had 700+ murders in 2024, and California had 2,200+ murders in 2024. It is much safer to walk the streets of Bama vs California.

The only one skewing anything here is you.

If a state has ten times as many cars on the road as another state and only twice as many accidents, which state has the biggest problem with auto accidents? Let me guess. The state with tens times the amount of cars on the road with only twice as many accidents?

None of what you're saying makes any sense.

From this exchange, it's easy to see which of you stayed awake in 7th grade math class...

Keep it up!

Primary sources? Like the L.A. county sheriff? Like the L.A. Mayor? Like the California governor?

Keep it up!

Agree there are more murders in California.

You are included in the lump.

You are the one who is delusional if you don't think that organized agitators seeking to take down the USA aren't involved in all of this.

At least OCD states his intention rather than you slinking in the shadows.

It's the same logic that allows you to compare a runningback that gained 200 yards on 30 carries vs a runningback that gained 100 yards on 10 carries.

Neither stat tells the whole story, but one attempts to normalize an obvious difference.

Can you show me the evidence of this? Not just someone claiming it or saying it, but any actual evidence of it?

I don't slink in the shadows. And that's what actually bothers you. I call you out on your baseless BS.

As per usual you think everyone who doesn't think like you must all be the same. They're not.

Some of actually bring receipts to the table.

Anything of substance to present? Or just more personal BS?

So, you want to trust the same sources that shut down the water supply and almost burnt down large parts of the same city. They seem reliable.

You are trying to argue with someone who believed the "very fine people" hoax, Russiagate, the Jussie Smollet story, Losers and Suckers hoax, downplayed the laptop story, & Biden's cognition, etc.

It's not worth your time. Put him on ignore and move on.

Any Goper’s that don’t live California….. STFU! you all don’t have a clue.

Will do! Always going to out the real story whenever fake news bears its ugly head.

Who the hell are you to tell anyone on a message board what to talk about.why don't you make yourself useful for a change,grab a brick and chuck at a guardsmen.If they don't get you,the Marines are on the way.Tell them what to do big man.

He honestly couldn't be more more wrong if you tried. Per capita statistics are per capita statistics are per capita statistics...... They mean more than a big number for California and a small number for Alabama. Seriously try and get a freaking clue

Agree that Latin sails 30,000 feet over your empty head.

Somebody is funding the handing out of professionally printed signs.

Somebody is funding the distribution of storm trooper helmets from the back of pickup trucks.

Make no mistake, there are funded agitators in the crowd inciting riot.

Probably the same group who incited riot on Jan 6th. They don't care which side they rile up, they just seek the destruction of America.

Answer me this:

Who shows up for a peaceful protest with heavy duty firecrackers, flammable liquids, and large hammers?

Who shows up intent to throw rocks and bottles at the police?

I think you need to self-reflect on what constitutes a peaceful protest.

Make no mistake about it.....Democrat leaders WANT riots across the country, just like in 2020. They will blame them on the administration (already happening) claiming all sorts of things from authoritarianism, fAsCiSm, and whatever other descriptor one would like to use.

However, this time around, I don't think it is working. The American people have mandated the removal of illegal immigrants in this country and these riots only further the idea that the far left are lost, violent, uneducated, and wildly dangerous as far societal standards are concerned. And the democrat leaders (as a whole) refusing to denounce the violence are irresponsible.

Anarchy will not work.

Sure, and your not bouncing around in a vacuous right wing echo chamber are you. No doubt you're still hearing about the child sex ring the Clinton's ran from the basement of a pizza joint and then theres the $50million for condoms for Hamas that you posted too. . .. .

Ey ey ey.

If we're going to go full tinfoil hat, then it should be pointed out that Project 2025 mentions how the president would use the excuse of responding to civil unrest to mobilize the military with the ultimate goal of suppressing any and all dissent.

So if we're going to throw it out there that a political leader wants civil unrest on the scale of what we're seeing in CA, it would actually be your team.

Ding dongs that are itching for some time in jail. Calling what's going on right now 'peaceful' is stupid, but trying to characterize the people protesting ICE as violent criminals is equally dumb.

Says Mr. Twitter click bait. The one who blocks out anything and anyone he doesn't agree with and tries to recruit people to that cause. The one who says nothing about anything and everything trump has done and is doing.

What the hell are you talking about? How did they "almost burn down large parts of the same city"? You keep listening to trump's unsubstantiated propaganda.

#keyboardcommando

So it's trump supporters that are funding it? Because that's the people who attacked the Capital on Jan. 6th. And it was speakers that addressed the crowd before the Capital was attacked that agitated it.

Can you produce anything that shows these assertions being true?

Here is what I managed to find...............


If that's what you call "funding" the protests whoever is behind it doesn't seem to be doing a very good job of it.

Criminals do those things. Now what you need to reflect on is what percentage of those showing up to protest are doing those things? Most of the people protesting are peaceful protestors but certainly not all of them.

You must have missed it. I already posted that anyone engaged in criminal activity should be arrested and prosecuted. And while you're reflecting remember, none of these people will get a presidential pardon.

OCD calling for violence isn't helpful. Damanshot stating American citizens killing American Citizens-- you checked out Jackass stats in US cities recently?

The issue- Democrats CAN'T/WON'T denounce illegal aliens in US-- LEGAL immigrants are now AGAINTS illegal immigrants by a majority- image that.

My knowledge might be off, but our military hasn't shot anyone since Kent State- where they were being stoned and buildings had been burnt down-- ie RIOTING.

Unless you're in LA- all you get is what the media wants to peddle- federal / military troops protecting federal buildings shouldn't be required....BUT LA cops are NOT prioritizing protecting federal buildings.

From FLORIDA, where I am- I'm not nervious about my liberty, I don't condone burning of cars, smashing on businesses, the looting of jewelry stores by Americans/ or illegal aliens. I don't think we are about to have civil war.....and the Facist state isn't about to happen.

Lastly, Trump pardoned J6 criminals- he was wrong and I detest those actions. Every law abiding American citizen should want illegals gone.

I think there should be some reasonable middle ground. There are people who entered this country illegally many years ago. Even much more severe infractions and crimes have a statute of limitations. Most felonies have a six-year statute of limitations period in Ohio. I'm not sure why that shouldn't apply to immigration. If a person entered this country many years ago, has no criminal record and is a productive taxpayer, I don't see any logical reason there shouldn't be a statute of limitations in place which would allow them to stay.

To me the problem is this all or nothing thinking that exists on both sides.

But can anyone tell me why a family that pays taxes and has been in this country for ten or twenty years should be dealt with more severely than people who have committed felonies? Why shouldn't there be a path to citizenship for families obeying our laws? I mean I get it. They entered the country illegally. But is there anywhere a line should be drawn?

Well, the fire hydrants were empty when water was needed to put out the fires ut that can't be a Democrats fault can it? Seems like that is who was in charge there!

You mean when hundreds of fires were burning at the same time they didn't have enough water to fight them all? Is that what you mean? I wonder how many cities would have a water supply to handle such an unprecedented situation? Sadly it seems you never learned how valuable context is to a conversation.

Yet I've never heard you complain about who runs states with the lowest incomes and the poorest rated education systems. Hmmmmm....

Who's in charge there?

Well said... the only potential argument I would have is Florida has its own set of issues going on, but I'm not gonna get hung up on something like that in what is an overall a good and succinct statement.

It's when we start getting into the details that the differences start to emerge... it's just frustrating that we are continually unable to find agreement despite something (like you're describing) that we should all be able to agree on. I'm not excusing myself, I can be difficult to talk to in these threads as well. It just feels like there's less and less discussion, and the majority of posts is just an infinite tennis rally where one side is just yelling 'Nazi/fascist' and the other side is mostly troll-posting and not actually responding to any rebuttal (mostly talking about Memphis here).

Deflect and spin that is all you got!!!

https://www.foxnews.com/media/los-a...d-stupid-anti-ice-rioters-looting-stores

Looks like those peaceful protestors are having too much fun in California. They just are so mad at the President and ICE that they just have to loot stores now. Those rascals!

Just because you refuse to address the part I put in bold doesn't mean it's deflection or spin. In fact it addresses the very issue you brought up and is totally factual. But I understand facts are not your friend. I do understand your lack of addressing it because it doesn't fit within your narrative. Math doesn't seem to be your only shortcoming. You are talking about every fire truck and even outside fire departments with their equipment all trying to extinguish fires at the same time. Then you try to ignore all of that by refusing to describe the situation and boil it all down to "They turned the water off"?


That never happened. Now your back is up against the wall for posting such nonsense and all you have in your arsenal is to try and blame me for it. That dog won't hunt. You really need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

Yes, a small portion of them are criminals. The vast majority of them are peaceful. But please do go on. I'm sure you are pleasing your overlords.

This. Exactly this.

Yes, every reservoir must have been drained etc... Keep deflecting and spinning that is what you are all best at. Democrats at derelicts and show their incompetence at every turn but you keep making excuses for them.

If the water supply had been "shut down" there never would have been any water in those hydrants to begin with. I'm not making any excuses. You are posting nonsense.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says he will deploy National Guard troops amid ICE protests

As protests continue in Los Angeles and around the U.S. over immigration enforcement raids, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said he will deploy the state's National Guard as needed "to ensure peace & order."

On Tuesday night, Abbott posted on his X account that he's planning to send the Texas National Guard to different parts of the state ahead of planned protests.

"Texas National Guard will be deployed to locations across the state to ensure peace & order. Peaceful protest is legal. Harming a person or property is illegal & will lead to arrest. @TexasGuard will use every tool & strategy to help law enforcement maintain order," Abbott wrote.

The governor's press secretary didn't specifically confirm that San Antonio is where Abbott is sending troops, but that they will be prepared as needed.
Possible immigration protests in San Antonio

San Antonio Mayor Ron Nirenberg and San Antonio Police Chief William McManus both said the city has a plan to support peaceful demonstrations while ensuring public safety, alluding to a planned protest Wednesday night at the Alamo and another planned for Saturday.

"The State of Texas stands ready to deploy all necessary personnel and resources to uphold law and order across our state," Abbott's press secretary said. "Texas National Guard soldiers are on standby in areas where mass demonstrations are planned in case they are needed. Peaceful protests are part of the fabric of our nation, but Texas will not tolerate the lawlessness we have seen in Los Angeles. Anyone engaging in acts of violence or damaging property will be swiftly held accountable to the full extent of the law."

McManus said he has not been in contact with the Texas National Guard and that the police department is preparing for the worst and hoping for the best when it comes to the protests.

"The San Antonio Police Department fully supports the right to peacefully demonstrate," McManus said Wednesday morning.

12 arrested in Austin demonstrations against ICE raids

On Monday, hundreds of demonstrators took to Austin in protest of the ICE raids. This left four Austin police officers injured and a total of 12 people arrested.

Dallas immigration protest draws hundreds

In Dallas, a protest that drew hundreds to a rally on a city bridge lasted for several hours Monday night before police declared it an "unlawful assembly" and warned people to leave or face possible arrest.

"[The Texas National Guard] will use every tool & strategy to help law enforcement maintain order," Abbott said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/gov-greg-abbott-deploys-texas-national-guard-troops-protests/

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/03/climate/trump-california-water-dams-reservoirs

Is this what you're talking about?

j/c... because I'm behind- and reacting in Real time, as I scroll:


It would seem that this issue was addressed, back in 1986.
-by a guy named Ronald Reagan... who said, after the bipartisan bill was passed:


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Let's not be coy about this: Steven Miller's view of America's immigrant situation is diametrically opposed to Ronald Reagan's... and Steven Miller is a daily whisperer into the empty echo chamber that occupies the skull of the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Donald Trump isn't the problem- he's the FACE of the problem behind the problem.

Lifelong followers of the OG GOP must ask themselves:
"Is this the kind of thing I signed onto, when I voted for "Morning In America?"
Is this the thing I signed onto, when I voted for "Make America Great Again?"

And if they need a moment to start typing, before responding- I'll understand.
Today's GOP has become something that Ronald Reagan couldn't have possibly envisioned.

Can you imagine a 3-way split-screen conversation between Ronald Reagan, Steven Miller... and any televised
moderator (on any 24/7 cable news channel)?


That's how far we have fallen, as a society.

https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bjso.12665
Attitude networks as intergroup realities: Using network-modelling to research attitude-identity relationships in polarized political contexts

It also happened after the escalatory acts of the Executive, to be clear.

Good post, Clem, as usual.

Being someone who was former GOP, and watching what has happened to my own family, I think the GOP has taken the "boil a frog" approach to their constituents.

There has been a periodic shift, starting with Reagan, honestly, then going through Newt, McConnell, the TEA Party and then MAGA where they have become unmoored from what traditionally conservative means. It officially flipped in 2016.

10th Amendment used to be at the core of conservativism, and now it only matters if you agree with the Executive.

Limited, balanced Government no longer exists as an ideal. Look how many EO's and emergency declarations have been passed, and even more substantially, look at the basis on which they were passed. Measure the amount of EO's and emergency declarations vs the number of laws passed by Congress during that time. I can't remember the exact figures, but the difference is staggering.

Balanced budget? Reduced spending? Ha!

The problem is they are good marketers and good galvanizers...well, at least one person is.

The Democrats too are caught up in an unmooring as well, which is probably why they are where they are at as well. They do not resemble the FDR and/or Kennedy style that made them prominent. They also REALLY need to clear the canopy so to speak.