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Trump ally Charlie Kirk was shot at an event in Utah on Wednesday, a source familiar with the matter says.

The extent of Kirk’s injuries were not immediately clear.

Kirk is one of the most prominent pro-Trump activists and conservative media personalities in the United States. He has garnered millions of fans and co-founded Turning Point USA, an organization that advocates for conservative politics on high school and university campuses, in 2012.

The FBI is monitoring the incident at Utah Valley University, the agency’s Director Kash Patel said.


“Our thoughts are with Charlie, his loved ones, and everyone affected. Agents will be on the scene quickly and the FBI stands in full support of the ongoing response and investigation,” Patel said in a post on X.

Just before the shooting, Kirk posted about an event at the university. “Utah Valley University is FIRED UP and READY for the first stop back on the American Comeback Tour,” Kirk wrote in a post on X.

Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said he’s being briefed by law enforcement on the incident involving Kirk.

“Those responsible will be held fully accountable. Violence has no place in our public life. Americans of every political persuasion must unite in condemning this act. Our prayers are with Charlie, his family, and all those affected,” Cox said.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/10/politics/charlie-kirk-shooting-utah-valley-university

I just posted a thread using the exact same source. I'm sure the refs will take care of that. There's no room for such violence no matter which side of the political aisle you're on. While all of the details are unknown there's a very high probability this was politically motivated. This has to stop!

the actual video is pretty gruesome. So is the girl in Charlotte on the bus.

this person was arrested

That is just freaking horrible on the worst level. I fear for our country.

I saw the footage and I don’t think there’s any way he could have survived.

Absolutely disgusting.

Another sick response.

At virtually the same time-there was another school shooting at a high school outside of Denver-3 shot

Dear God

he's dead

That’s awful.

R.I.P. and prayers for his beautiful family. I cannot even express how disgusted I am right now. He was one of the special ones that opened up so much dialog on both sides of the aisle.

Charlie Kirk will be missed here in the US. He was doing great work trying to get both sides to talk and have conversation while exposing the lies of socialism to college kids. He was a born again Christain and in being so was a child of God and will hear "Well done my true and faithful servant." I feel sorry for his wife and kids. I also think this tragic incident will leave a hole in our society. RIP Charlie for all eternity enjoying Heavan where we all strive to be someday.

Sad day. A good young person assassinated and a country on the brink. I hope people don't start shooting back.

There is a good chance this gets ugly.

MAGA gives the left no choice but to not trust them. I’m mean look at all the fascist crap Trump is pulling… Did you think the left would just fold? And I have no idea who the shooter is or why Kirk was shot; but inflammatory rhetoric got us here, so maybe it’s time to chill or be part of the next news cycle with more escalation.

I did not like Charlie Kirk, did not approve of his stances, but would not have killed him short of him attacking me. That said, it’s only going to get worse until Trump and company learn to read the room. Nobody wants the crap that’s happening with this regime.

And we are tired of your crap.

This, the attempt on a former President and political candidate. Who is shooting who, Buster?

I don't like you and hope to never meet you. I actually try to avoid people like you but am glad you seem to have made it through tough times over the last few weeks, but from my perspective, you folks need to learn to learn the room.

You folks are on the wrong side of nearly every issue.

If being on the right side of history ends up being wrong, then I’ll just have to be wrong. I don’t need to dislike you to see MAGA is delusional and insane. I don’t need to demean any private citizen to be critical of fascists. I do belittle the idiots in this regime, and they have earned that. There is plenty for all, we just need to EAT THE RICH. Then Cracker Barrel can be fun again, for all ethnicities.

trump has embraced any kind of hate he can to get votes. He fuels the flame of hate. He doesnt do it because he hates, he does it so he can make more money. This is a horrible tragedy. trump started the hate. If trump never ran there would be a lot less hate.

I see the intellectuals have entered the conversation.

You've spent twelve years blaming everything on Trump while ignoring some of the most violent rhetoric in our nation's history spewed by the left. But to blame this on Trump? It would be despicable if it weren't so sadly predictable.

All of the hate comes from 1 side of the aisle, and it is not Republicans. Democrats hate Capitalism. They hate the Flag. They hate the National Anthem. They hate the pledge of Allegiance. They hate Patriotism. You know it was not that long ago the American Flag being carried onto football fields by high school players were triggering them. They hate the American way and want to destroy it. MAGA and conservatives want to conserve the American way and try to protect it.

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There is ubiquitous hate from everywhere. It’s all awful and we have to stop resorting to reptilian instincts. There is hate from powerful figures across the media landscape and the political spectrum. It is not a one way street, less we forget people like the Minnesota Senators.

Everyone is letting their emotions absolutely captivate their dopamine-enforced rage. I have my own thoughts on Kirk, but I won’t go into it now. All I know is that I have immense sadness for his wife and kids. It’s truly awful no matter what way you cut it, but taking a broad brush like you and some others are here won’t help anything.

One thing he talked about was that violence happens when we stop talking to each other. I agree with him there. As has been pointed out, we have plenty of that going on here on DT alone. The vast majority of any conversations we do have are flinging excrement like we’ve evolutionarily regressed into damn monkeys again.

I can’t control what any of you do. All I can say is that if you want to be respectful, I am always open to dialogue. At the end of the day, agree or disagree on politics, my truest thoughts are that I want nothing but the best for all of you, no matter where you side.

No doubt about that. At least the outward hate. My hope is that we remain calm and don't start acting like many of you people do when you don't get your way.

The amount of people celebrating this assassination in the world (that I've witnessed personally and seen on the internet) for the past several hours has been the most disgusting, depressing, soulless garbage I've experienced in quite awhile. There was PLENTY of things I disagreed with re: Kirk but he was snuffed out because his movement was effective and changing the minds of many young people. This is what happens when terms like Nazi, white supremacy, fascist, (insert)phobe are used as descriptors by people for people who don't/can't read and listen for themselves-- just because they disagree with their views. This board is no exception as we see daily. I work for a progressive non-profit and heard co-workers getting together yesterday saying "I hope he is dead", "He deserves this", 'This is what happens when....." all while laughing and being gitty. These are absolute garbage human beings.

Both sides have played this game and have responsibility on a macro level, but make no mistake- it is not balanced. It is not the equal. The left is FAR MORE culpable over the last 10-15 years with this rhetoric of calling for violence and wildly labeling people just because they don't agree with their political stances.... and we saw that once again come to light yesterday.

I agree with Ballpeen. This could get ugly. Now, we might see a response from far right individuals who want to snuff out someone on the other side now....not necessarily a politician but someone like Kirk....a strong voice on the left. All people in the political public sphere should be worried that this could get out of hand now.

There will be some sort of transformation as a result of this. Just not sure what it will be.

One thing I’d like to know is who the actual killer is before I draw a conclusion. Odds are you’re probably right, though.

I agree with most of what you wrote. I do wish you’d be willing to have an actual dialogue on the topic with some of us.

Anyhow, take care.

j/c

One thing that seems to be missing from this discussion is a sense of balance. It wasn't a liberal who shot four Democrats killing two of them in Minnesota.....................

House Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman (DFL-Brooklyn Park) and her husband, Mark, were fatally shot in their home early Saturday morning.

Sen. John Hoffman (DFL-Champlin) and his wife, Yvette, were also shot in their home in a related attack. Walz said both are expected to survive.

Are your memories so short you can't remember three months ago?

This isn't an "us or them" issue. This is a "we" issue.

And "we" have a current president who legitimized political violence. He pardoned every convicted person who committed violence. Even those who assaulted over 100 police officers. Political violence seemed perfectly fine as long as it was in support of him. The problem is his followers weren't the only ones who got the message. The effect is now many believe that violence is justified for political reasons. It motivates such thing as the Democrats being assassinated in Minnesota and to Charlie Kirk being assassinated in Utah. Political violence has not and never has been justified. I remember the 1960's. I remember being sent home early from school and seeing my mom cry for the first time after the assassination of JFK. I remember the assassinations of Bobby Kennedy and MLK Jr.

There are no circumstances that justify political violence on any scale. There is no movement nor activism that excuses it. And that goes for both sides. But watching people convince themselves that it's all being committed by the right or the left, that only one side are the guilty party will only lead to more of the same and can only be caused by wearing blinders.

This is a national problem being perpetrated by extremists on both sides. As the signs read at the zoo. "DO NOT FEED THE ANIMALS!"

Practice what you preach.

A couple hundred yards away with absolute precision for mortality. I don’t know who it was, but I do know they knew what they were doing.

I also forgot about the arson attempt against Shapiro. This is getting awful.

Actually, it appears I’m wrong.

This expert walks through how he thinks the shooters was rather inexperienced or average:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/elite-sniper-uncovers-charlie-kirk-134509897.html

College student, maybe? Just speculating at this point. I hope they get him.

I was in your camp in thinking it was a professional until I started hearing some of the same comments. In short, being in an ideal spot and in a prone position basically lets the weapon do the heavy lifting.

However, "the mission" seemed to be carried out with a great deal of precision, unlike the two attempts on Trump's life.


So, a few things were going through my head... how would you plan something like that without being seen doing any recon? How would you be sure you have access, not be seen, be able to blend in and escape, etc, etc?

I guess last night I decided that he would have plenty of time since he probably knew the schedule way in advance. Then I heard this morning this event was only announced six days ago. I also heard over the last hour that he is suspected to be a college-aged person.

Here's where I'm at now. This is a student from Utah, I'd suspect that a while back he heard conservative students remark that Kirk had contacted them and responded to a request for an event with something like "we're trying to get it on the schedule". That was when he decided to prepare. He HAS access, he HAD time to plan, he KNEW exactly where he would shoot from, he KNEW where to go in the school, change clothes and be on his merry way.

Everything you said makes sense. I guess maybe start with the organizers and ask them who they shared all of this info with? Cross reference that with whoever has access to that area. I’m sure the pros are working on it, but I can’t help myself from trying to go through the motions.

I'm sure they've already done that. I looked a little while ago and saw that Utah Valley University has several conservative student groups, including the College Republicans, Students for Trump, and Turning Point USA. Leaders from those groups would have been contacted immediately, I would think.

It may be useful info for identifying the person, but word is coming out that they are way ahead of this on the video footage front. Also, they've found the weapon in the woods with a palm print and the stupid, imbecile messages written on it. No professional would ever do that regardless of how much they hated the person in the crosshairs.

They just released a photo of the suspect and are asking the public for help identifying him. The picture certainly appears to be a young, white man of college age.

I saw that they found the weapon. I didn’t realize there were inscriptions on it. I imagine they are getting pretty close.

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I agree with Memphis about what he's said about specific responses being disgusting. At the end of the day, at 31 years old he was killed because someone didn't like what he said.

Ultimately, the commentary says more about the people saying those things than the person who was killed. Spewing hate/spite instead of showing a little common decency does not isolate itself to any political party or demographic. I don't say that as a whatabout or anything like that, but moreso just to say that we are all responsible for what we say and do and our humanity isn't tied to political party or anything else other than who we are inside.


I'm curious about how people feel about a couple things he has said in the past that seem especially relevant now... but I'm going to ask that later. It's not my intent, but I know it's going to sound disingenuous/smarmy right now.

Thats not what trump said. So instead of helping and finding common ground to help the country move forward. He choses to blame and fuel the flames of hate. trump said it was the left wing radicals on all political violence recently.

There will be consequences no doubt. The shooter needs caught and executed. Then all Antifa needs to be labeled domestic terrorists and dealt with in severe ways to end their cycle of violence.

Can we move on to the KKK, the Jan. 6th rioters and white supremacist groups from there?

Do you really think that’s going to help? Violence and crackdowns only beget more violence and crackdowns in my experience.

The idiot who shot POTUS helped him win the presidency and I’d bet the idiot who brutally assassinated Charlie Kirk will galvanize more people to take up what his mission was.

We don’t even know who the shooter is yet. If you ask me, I think the adults need to retake the room and shove all of the extremists back into the shadows where they are afraid to even mention anything again. We need to stop demonizing everyone who thinks differently than us, we need to remember how ti act like a country again, and, for the love of God, we need to expel media, whether social or mainstream, that keeps us falling down the slippery slope of dehumanizing other people for crying out loud.

I saw a quote today that said more evil acts are performed by people who think they are doing the right thing than they are the wrong thing. 24 years ago today that happened. It’s because of dehumanization. The more we push other people away, shout over them, refuse to interact with them, reinforce ourselves with echo chamber media propaganda, the more often that ish is going to happen.

I haven’t always been immune to that crap myself. But I think this is a turning point for me. I’m damn tired of it.

We need to freaking grow up and see the humanity in each other again.

I agree whole Heartly. Allowing cities to burn because of extremists in this country needs to stop and we must allow our law enforcement agencies to act without having thier hands tied.

All extremist groups need dealt with severely. Antifa has been the most active lately and probably the most violent and dangerous lately.

What cities are burning? You claimed you agreed only to add more rhetoric to the topic.

I agree with the first part. Much of what happened with the ANTIFA protests was that criminals took advantage of the situation after the protests had already ended. Anyone engaged in such activities be they ANTIFA or not should face the justice system and be punished for their crimes. There's no excuse for it.

How many riots has Antifa been involved in. There were some in June. Quite a few in 2020 and since. They are not peaceful protests as you and others say they are riots and should not be allowed to happen. See what happened on a Cincinnati bridge this summer. The Cincinnati police sat back and watched rioters block traffic on a bridge and cause problems. When they went across the bridge the Kentucky police put a swift end to the riot. That is how it should be handled. Take them to jail.

Back to the topic, there are theories floating around, ranging from tangible to conspiratorial to outright nuts. I won’t float the ones that don’t seem plausible, one that bears some attention:

The old man who was initially thought to be the shooter kept yelling “Shoot me” as he was being detained. There is speculation that this may have been done to by time for the shooter to escape. Again, I don’t know if that’s true. There was a link under the Twitter account “Panda.” For some reason I can’t post it in here, but it may be because I don’t have the app anymore. If someone can find it, please post the video.

I believe this was the suspect who ended up getting the obstruction charges. Again, may just be a crazy old man.

Thank you, my friend.

I hope I'm not putting words in his mouth, but the post that you responded to is less about any single political topic and more about what goes on in between each and every one of our ears and what comes out of each of our mouths.

Exactly.

I don’t know-I just think we are a broken country

Yesterday there was another school shooting.

Today, two more schools were on lockdown for about 3-4 hours because of a man with a gun. They had to do a room by room search.
Then, there were up to 8 black colleges that were placed on lockdown today for terroristic threats.
And the DNC got a bomb threat.

And there is now an active shooter was casualties at the Naval Academy

Just Clicking:

This is sad. First the Attempt on Trump, then the Killing of that Minnesota State Rep and her husband a few months back, then Yesterday a High Profile Political backer of Trump...

I don't like it at all. Not because Charlie Kirk was some kinda sage or anything. I honestly didn't like or believe much of what he said. He was Bigoted, Racist and Damn, he didn't seem to care who knew it. Disgusting really.

But, he was also a Husband and Father.. That is what I really hate. That's what is really sad.

They don't, as of this writing, know who did it. They have a suspect/person of Interest that they released the pics of. But they don't know his motives.. But already, Trump is out there yelling about Liberals being at fault.

That ass hat stirs his people up into a frenzy. So much so that when they detained a few people that they eventually determined weren't really involved, his supporters began harrasing them.

That is SICK...AND THAT'S what Trump does. Stirs the pot.


So, yes, I find it horrible for the Kirk Family. Those kids lost there dad, and all that idiot in the white how can do is Yell and Scream about the LIBERALS. JACKASS

I agree, it could be some foreign operative wanting to cause more divide in the country

I just watched the PC by the Governor and others. It had some new video showing the shooter jumping down from the roof. Maybe 12 feet after a hang drop.

My question is where was the rifle? He clearly couldn't have made the drop with it stuffed in to his pants leg. He had a back pack so he could have broken the rifle down but everything I have heard was the rifle was found in the woods, assembled. It makes no difference if assembled or one found in parts.

I suppose the kid could have taken the time to reassemble, but why would he do that? Seems to me he would want to get the heck out of Dodge ASAP.

I assume the bullet was recovered. I haven't heard anything on that front. If so it will be easy enough to determine if the weapon found was used to fire the death bullet.

I wanted to let this one go… but ultimately felt a response was necessary.

Let’s check over on the Republican side of the aisle for the things that they hate. Those ‘things’ ultimately wind up being ‘people not like them’

Women
Immigrants
Non Judeo Christians
LGBT, especially T.

And I love the flag as much as any American.

1. Unconditional condemnation of the assassination attempt. Political violence is always wrong, full stop. It's tragic and should be universally condemned by ev everyone. Period.

2. Defending free speech means defending it for views we disagree with or hate. Period.

3. The "precipice of civil war" rhetoric - or the counrtry is about to collapse that we see spamming SM is fear-mongering hyperbole that intentionally insites fear and divides us. It's the same thing that much of the main stream media does on both left and right.

4. Genuiinely concerned that this along with all the other over blown sensationalism of 'crime and violence' will be used to justify undermining the upcoming election. As a betting man, I'd wager that Trump and the right wing media with all their over the top rhetoric about the state of the country, may well be positioning himself to cancel/delay the midterms.

No you don't!!! This country was founded on Biblical principles. The founding Fathers wrote the Constitution and other documents around Biblical principles, and progressive liberal wokeness is anti-Christian values and is destroying this country. Acceptance of something that is wrong is not love. And the rebuke of wrong is not hate.

This is the most disgusting and vile post I have ever read. Charlie Kirk died promoting the Christian values this country was founded upon. Traditional family values. The spirt of the anti-christ and those that support that spirt (socialism, wokeness, etc...) basically everything that goes against Biblical principles cannot stand the truth and decided to kill the one spreading the truth.

As usual, that poster is way off base.

It's disgusting for you to think he's some kinda sage. He was Bigoted and Racist. Now questions.

Christian Values is NOTHING LIKE THAT

Did you ever hear of the freedom of religion? You know accepting that people have different beliefs.

Whatever else may or may not be wrong with this country, your absolutism and others like you are at least an equal part of the problem, if not most of the problem. No matter which side left or right someone is, talking in absolutes just like this is the root cause of so much of our issues.

And yet, those same founding fathers enshrined freedom of religion (which is the opposite of what you are advocating). By doing that, they kicked off the topic of separation of Church and State which you are trying (and failing) to tip-toe around.

Just because right/wrong overlaps heavily with what is said in the Bible does NOT mean what you think it means. You are taking a coincidence and running with it to an obviously, factually wrong conclusion.

POTUS just said they have him in custody.

Dang his dad was a sheriff’s deputy and held him until law enforcement arrived. I can’t imagine being that Dad.

So in your world being kind to all people regardless of their sexuality is the "spirt of the anti-christ'? That women deciding to have a career over having children is "spirt of the anti-christ"? And as far as what the nation was founded upon you must not gave been paying attention.

The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution's Establishment Clause prevents the government from establishing a religion or favoring one over others, meaning laws cannot be passed based on a specific religious doctrine to endorse or establish that religion. While individual politicians may base their personal views on religion, any law passed by Congress must have a secular purpose and should not promote or inhibit any particular religion.

They purposefully made sure that you can't inflict your religious beliefs on others no matter how much you wish to force others to follow it. Your religion is yours. Jesus taught that all people should be cared for. So according to you Jesus was a socialist. Sadly you think everyone who doesn't think and believe like you do is somehow "the spirt of the anti-christ". One person killed Charlie Kirk. Not those or they.

You have my thoughts and prayers.

I'm glad they caught the guy and that his dad did the right thing. But man, as you said, how hard would it be as a dad to find that out and being in that situation must have been.

Absolutely shattering. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but Trump also indicated that the Dad was a Mormon Minister as well.

Much like yourself I'll reserve what I believe until local and state authorities put the information out. I believe they would be a much more accurate and trustworthy source.

Yesterday, FATE mentioned the engravings. I kept thinking they were on the gun barrel, so I didn’t find anything, but this was a press release where the Governor talked about the engravings being on the bullet casings, hence I was looking in all the wrong places.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/uDmHP4pcnv

He mentions on one hand “Fascists take this” or something similar and then later had one that said “If you read this, you are gay.”

I’m not much of a gamer, but it appears from the comments that he put arrow marks that would signify dropping a bomb on a target from some video game.

So far, from the press conference and everything learned - I am sure more will come out - it appears the kid was relatively normal on the surface. Smiling selfies on vacation. Doesn’t have those “crazy eyes” you see with almost every one of these shooters.

My guess is some perfect storm of psychotic break perpetuated over time + isolation (playing video games constantly alone) + radicalization of some form. One thing is for certain that he planned this very well for someone who was off his rocker. It seems the one thing he didn’t plan very well was what he was going to do afterward. All just my $0.02 based on my currently limited knowledge. We’ll know more I’m sure in the coming hours and days.

The whole conversation between the two was way off base. You have one poster who’s making it a point in this thread to talk about ANTIFA while bible thumping and villainizing the entire left and another poster who immediately made it about Trump.

This is what I was talking about yesterday. This is what we’ve become. Both need to be told to sit in a corner.

I’m tired of it.

Political violence is the worst thing that can actually rip this country apart at the very seam our for fathers sewed.

That said karma has its way of taking care of fascists and anti-fascists.

J/C

Let's see how trump is handling this and the difference between how he has handled this compared to similar events when they happen to democrats...........

President Donald Trump addressed the incident in a video where he blamed the "radical Left" for heated rhetoric that he said was "directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today."

"It's long past time for all Americas and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree day after day, year after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible," Trump said in the video.



But several others have been quick to compare Kirk's death to that of Minnesota House of Representatives speaker emerita Melissa Hortman of the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party earlier this summer. Hortman was shot and killed in her home in what officials called a political assassination.

Here is what the president said about the two incidents:

Donald Trump on Charlie Kirk's death: 'Great guy from top to bottom'

Trump posted on Truth Social shortly after the incident occurred. "We must all pray for Charlie Kirk, who has been shot. A great guy from top to bottom," the post read. "GOD BLESS HIM!"

Trump confirmed Kirk's death in another post hours after the incident, saying "no one understood or had the Heart of the Youth in the United States of America better than Charlie."

Trump's video from the Oval Office also honored Kirk, calling him a "patriot, who devoted his life to the cause of open debate and the country he loved so much, the United States of America."

The White House announced a presidential proclamation ordering flags to be flown at half-staff until Sept. 14 in his honor. On Sept. 11, Trump said he will award the Presidential Medal of Freedom posthumously to Kirk.

What did Trump say about Melissa Hortman?

On June 14, Rep. Melissa Hortman, her husband and their golden retriever were shot and killed in their home. The suspect was indicted by a federal grand jury in July and is also accused of shooting and injuring another state lawmaker and his wife earlier the same day. Investigators say the attacks were researched and planned, and the suspect had a list of mostly Democratic lawmakers and their addresses.

"I have been briefed on the terrible shooting that took place in Minnesota, which appears to be a targeted attack against State Lawmakers," Trump said in a June 14 Truth Social post. "Such horrific violence will not be tolerated in the United States of America. God Bless the great people of Minnesota, a truly great place!"

Days later, Trump said he wouldn't call Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, suggesting it would "waste time."

Hortman was not mentioned in Trump's Sept. 10 address touching on several recent instances of political violence, including his own survived assassination attempt and the shooting Rep. Steve Scalise, R-Louisiana in 2017. He did not mention other attacks on Democrats including an arson attack at Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro’s house, a kidnapping plot against Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and an assault on former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband in their home.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...harlie-kirk-melissa-hortman/86089962007/

I think a conversation needs to be had about radical political influencers, akin to what oober softly indicated yesterday. I don’t think now is the right time to get into it, but I think one needs to be had, perhaps in a new thread when the dust settles and we can approach this from a more objective than a raw approach.

A perfect example of rhetoric seen these days.



It's rare, if ever, that this clown apologizes for the things he makes up. And because he is a popular public figure, people will believe him.... and trust his words. This happens ALL THE TIME and it's terrible. He deleted his tweet because so many people called him out on it. These situations are not irregular.

They are frequent. They are common.

I just made a post about how trump is handling this situation. As tired as you might be of it, ignoring what the man who is president of this country does and says that adds to this violence and hate is something many don't believe is wise. It's certainly not all about trump. This was a tragic event and two little girls will now grow up without a father.

But turning a blind eye to the twisted way trump is leading his party to hate is something many of us believe we should never do. He isn't just some rando on the internet or simply just another talking head.

That's been the typical pattern since he first came down that escalator in 2015. Oh, you were referring to Stephen King. It's a good thing that guy isn't president huh?