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And no reaction?

Every credible person I have heard who has viewed the video multiple times have stated that Trump has lied about the officer being in danger and the shooting being self defense. I won't watch the video so I will have to rely on others - I never watch any of those types of video as I find it too disturbing.

Agent calmly walked away - now claims to have gone for medical treatment, another obvious lie or an unnecessary visit done as a cover story.

What will we hear from the the MAGA fanboys? Any outrage? Any concerns? Or will it be the old "if she had done as she was instructed" (By masked men who carry no identification) ...

Which federal agency has the largest budget for 2026 again? Think there is an agenda there? Pfft. It's sickening.

The righteous does not rejoice at the death of the wicked. I feel sad for her family. She should have obeyed the officer's command and not been taking part in terrorist activities. She clearly drove the vehicle while 1 ICE agent had his hands on the door knob and another was in front of the vehicle. She could have easily hurt or killed either of both. Thankfully that never happened.

What terrorist activity was she taking part in?

She was blocking ICE from doing their jobs. Protecting American citizens by getting illegals out of our country.

Russian Bots gonna do their Russian Bot thing ....

The Founding Fathers would line up and one-by-one slap you across the face if they could.

No, they would not. These illegals are foreign invaders. They would see the socialists trying to take over the democratic republic they set up and roll over in their graves. Tell me this. Do Republicans or Democrats respect the American Flag? I see these protesters waving Ukraine, Mexica, Iran, Venezuelan flags but not American. Do they like the pledge of Elegance? The star-spangled banner? etc... These are fundamental principles. Seems some of the country has lost their way and are trying to bring everyone else down with them.

They shouldn't have been throwing rocks, or preventing us from legally collecting taxes.

You get it, but you have shown the capacity for putting two ideas together without having it spoon-fed via network television.

You are a prime example of why Republicans have a bad name. Far right wing extremists like yourself give normal Republicans a bad name and those on the left use your kind as an example to claim every Republican is like you.

Luckily I know many Republicans who are nothing like you. They think for themselves and aren't led around by the nose using every talking point the trump administration spews out of their pie holes.

The punishment for not complying with the police or ICE isn't a death sentence. Only in your twisted brain does that make sense.

The founding fathers set up a government that had three equal branches of government to keep things in check. Nobody is keeping trump in check and he rules by an executive order pen. Much like the king our forefathers fought against to gain their freedom. They would be appalled seeing how things are being run in this country now.

I'm not quite sure how much lower your level of disgust can reach.

It is when you try to run ICE over with a vehicle. I'm sad that someone had to die for everyone to understand that, but maybe that saves lives now that a little common sense has been established. That same officer was dragged by a vehicle in that god-forsaken city a couple months ago. Glad he's okay.

I watched the video she attempted to kill ICE agents with her car. She refused an officer's command, and she was a domestic terrorist actively working her craft. I feel terrible for her family, but the officers did what is right. She was the cause of he own death.

Lol. Except that's not what happened

I watched the video and yes that is exactly what happened.

God forsaken city-- how many citizens from that city do you know? Ya think you have right to judge whole city? Citizens, we are in DEEP TROUBLE when it is OK for a cop to shoot a citzen in the head for moving her car agressively. I watch the video, yes, she didn't comply but as Pitdawg stated- she deserved DEATH. Hell no. Americans can wave any flag they want- lets shoot someone waving a Confederate flag-- come on folks- the woman should not have been shot and the cop should be fired for using excessive force at a minimum.

IF he acted the way he was trained- we have bigger problems than I first thought- he has GOT TO BE THE EXECEPTION- he overreacted.

Did you finally watch the video? She drove right at the officer in front of the vehicle.

There is no officer in front of the vehicle - he is on the side. If he was in front of the car she still would have hit him, because the car keeps going forward.

Hope I don't run into you at a tailgate - because 1000x cars drive closer to you than that car drove near that officer -- do you open fire on them all?

Here is the FBI Rules on Firing with Regards to vehicles:

[img]http://imgur.com/a/7nU8grD[/img]

Note:

1.) "firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: ..... (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle."

Since he was already to the side - and she was turning away, and she was moving about 2 MPH.... there is no way he couldn't have objectively moved out of the way (since he was already out of the way).

He didn't watch the video, he said he won't. Yet he starts a thread saying ICE murdered someone. That's how far he's drifted down the rabbit hole.

BS meter off the chart.

Want to explain how the fatal shot went right through the windshield if he was off to the side? Magic bullet??

Must be nice to pass judgement from the sideline with a cell video, rather than being the one in front of a vehicle that first backs up and then accelerates directly at you.


Alas, most here will see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe. Nobody cares that accidents with LEOs hit by vehicles are off the charts, or the fact that this officer was recently dragged from one, or the fact that leftist rhetoric encourages this behavior. Or the fact that this lady was the "ringleader" blocking traffic and impeding traffic all day after traveling from states away to be a nuisance.

And no, I'm not condoning killing people and think this is terribly tragic. I am a proponent of LEOs protecting themselves by all means necessary when their lives are put in danger by angry mobs.

I'm not trying to say that he may not had been in fear for his life. In fact I haven't stated anything about that. But what I will state is one thing was quite obvious. She had her vehicle streered far to the right making every attempt NOT to hit any ICE officer. In no way was she "trying to run over ICE with a vehicle". That's absurd.

This isn't the first shooting by ICE. And in Chicago it was determined by a court ICE was lying about what happened..................

Judge dismisses charges against 2 people accused of ramming vehicle of federal agents conducting Chicago immigration sweeps

https://abcnews.go.com/US/doj-drops-charges-2-people-accused-ramming-vehicles/story?id=127714651

The same "domestic terrorist" claim was made is this case. They claimed they were "ambushed". What we need to do is get past the rhetoric and take a hard look at each case.

Now this certainly needs a thorough investigation. And as I said it may be determined that the ICE officer feared for his life. But some of the crazy allegations being leveled like this lady was a domestic terrorist or that she was puposefuly trying to run over an ICE officer are unfounded and the video itself shows she was attempting to get away without running over anyone.

That's an exit hole - he fired in through the open driver's side window, as it shows on the video.

Watch it again. There is an officer in front of the driver's side of the vehicle. I didn't see him either when I first saw the video. I don't carry at tailgates.

And she turned hard to the right making every attempt to avoid him. She didn't drive "right at him".

Here is the image of each shot from the Washington Post, which concludes the officer is not in front of the vehicle for any of the three shots.

ICE agent was not in the vehicle’s path when he fired at driver, video shows

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2026/01/08/video-ice-shooting-minneapolis/

He ended up in the hospital. Try again!!!

With what? A sore ass from a bunch of other fascist patting him on the back?

The officer that did the shooting is not seen in those photos. He is in front of the car. The officer seen was holding onto the handle but there is another officer in front of the vehicle and that is who made the shot.

She hit him with her car. Watch the video!!!

Yes he is - there are two officers next to the side of the car, the one further towards the front fires the three shots - you can literally see the smoke leaving from his gun, while he is holding it.

But no - I'm sure the Washington Post is just totally lying here -- on the easiest thing to get sued for ever.

I'm quoting you because (IMO) this is the most honest AND accurate post so far.

My eye was on the officer reaching into the car right at the driver window so I also missed the second officer that steps in front of the car a pretty much the worst timing. He is the one that shoots (unless who did what isn't registering for me again).

I feel it's worth pointing out that it looks like at the time the gun goes off the front of the car (that he stepped in front of) is actually past him and turning the other way. I'll stop there because I was never a fan of pretending these situations are like in movies and the officers are all like 007 in terms of reactions/aim/etc except to point out that, in general, the conduct of these officers (who are given pretty broad authority) is more along the lines of jackbooted thugs vs enforcement officers. ICE officially being a law enforcement entity is going to continue being more of a joke the longer their operations resemble hit squads.

He ended up in the hospital. Try again!!!.....................

Can you now please explain what that has to do with her having the vehicle turned hard to the right attempting not to hit him? I didn't think so. It hit him with the side of the vehicle, not with the front of the vehicle as she was turning away from him. You do understand what the word attempt means don't you?

He didn't end up in the hospital. He went to the hospital to get checked out as that is standard protocol after any incident like this.

So this is accurate - you basically never get convictions when everything happens within a split second. The officer isn't going to get hit by the car (maybe sort of bumped in the arm) at the time he fires the first shot, but about 0.5 seconds before, he would have gotten hit in the leg.

The 2nd and 3rd shots are clearly illegal - he is well off to the side of the car, they both travel through the drivers open window. But given that they happened quickly, it's going to be really hard to get a conviction on them - even though (by the FBI laws on officer shootings) all three shots are illegal.

It's more that the administration has set up a tinderbox of poorly trained officers placed in situations where these things will happen, because it furthers their objectives to crack down on communities.

Well, you said there was no officer in front of the vehicle. Here is a screenshot I took off of the original video. The officer is in front of the vehicle, drawing his weapon. He has a split second to make a decision whether this woman is going to plow into him or his fellow officers.

I'm sorry bro, but we can see that watching an event that has basically already unfolded. There is no way in hell for any human standing in front of that vehicle to know that it is turning away from him in a split-second. IM-POSSIBLE

This is why most don't take 90% of the posts here seriously. So, are all LEOs fascist or just the ones doing their jobs in MN?

He is in front of the vehicle at that point, but that's before she starts moving forward - and also before he fires his gun.

The issue is... Or part of the issue ... Trump cave out and flat lied. He didn't get run over. He was not hurt. He calmly walked away and after a few seconds said something about calling 911.

Now the FBI has claimed jurisdiction, which will without doubt mean a cover up.

The punishment for any individual not obeying a masked unidentified individual should not be to be pinned down. The whole thing is Orwellian. And as mentioned ICE die to get a phenomenal budget increase and to be the highest funded federal agency.

And people acting like this is all well and good. A US citizen, murdered by unidentified masked individuals roaming and targeting Democrat cities.

And as I said earlier he may have very well been in fear of his life. I find that as being plausible and understandable. That wasn't intended to be any part of my point.

My point was those making the accusation she was intentionally trying to run him over. I certainly agree with you that in a split second, life threatening situation a judgement call doesn't have the time to "unfold". It's s split second decision and fear certainly enters into it. Your brain processes the risk you perceives at that instant.

I'm still not sure how that involves the second and third shots fired directly from the side right through her window but it would certainly help explain the first one.

My issue all along has been people making the claim that she is a "domestic terrorist" and that she was trying to run him over or hit him on purpose. Never has the issue been about the officers response to me. I hope that helps clear up any confusion on the matter.

You sure? This is literally your last post right before this one...

Please double check.


You are mistaken. I didn't post that. Please double check and you will see that wasn't me.

I actually checked myself. That was from a post by mgh888.

Im sure trump will ask him to wear a neck brace for the next year.

Renne Good should not be dead- Wiki- she was a "legal observer"- shot because she didn't get out of car, she moved the car, and was shot. Time will tell if the shooter is charged. JMHO, she wasn't a terrorist, she shouldn't be dead. State law enforcement should charge the shooter.

Yeah, but, but... that's the way you feel, I can tell.

I'm really sorry, Pit.

That was my fault and I was stupid not to double-check. Normally I would quote directly, but since it was on the previous page I just inserted quotes on the new page.

Exactly - there is a huge gap between "this was a justified shooting" (it clearly isn't, from the FBIs own handbook on shooting into vehicles), and "this will get the officer convicted" (it won't, and probably it shouldn't - though I could see a jury finding that the 2nd and 3rd shots rose to the level of being a crime).

But the idea that this was a "domestic terrorism" incident is laughable.

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It's no problem. I didn't think you did it purposefully. I just wanted to clear it up. No blood no foul.

A couple things here,Fed. agents are immune from state prosecution for any acts performed in the line of duty.
The fools want Mn.to investigate?That state can't even investigate billions of dollars of fraud that is happening right under there noses.
Which reminds me,Waltz,a former football coach,will soon be out of a job and the browns are looking for a new coach.Way too coincidental to be happenstance.

Preparing the lockerroom for the new ,dare I say Guy?

Dare you not say guy. Most of us have already gotten through the 8th grade.

FWIW

I saw a scared woman get shot after an officer yelled and attempted to enter her car to remove her..

If that bothered you ,I'll not post my quip about Denmark and their dykes.

There is a joke thread in this forum for your quip.

[quote=hitt]...shot because she didn't get out of car, she moved the car, and was shot...{/quote]

If you call flooring the gas pedal with 3 officers around your car (including one in front of it) "moving the car", I guess you're correct.

Good was a mother of three and had dropped off her six-year-old son at school when she encountered a group of ICE agents, according to her ex-husband.

Flooring her car- you saw a different video than I- floored car moved- what twenty feet and "CREAMED" other car on side of road. NOT.
She was dead pretty quickly. Poor training and complete OVERREACTION. Fired and prosecuted.

That's certainly not a blanket-true statement: https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/are-federal-officials-immune-from-state-prosecution

So you know it's murder? I saw self defense and a person blocking roads and trying to escape by car from law enforcement.

My reaction is a shoulder shrug. I feel bad for her and her family, but you play dangerous games, poor results can be expected.

Well, there is one less domestic terrorist in the world today!!!

I agree. That wasn't a true statement.

Thanks for that article,it was interesting to read and I stand corrected.

Thanks, WIKI isn't good source- a second video shows the agent in front much more than the first- still think overreaction by the ICE agent. Sources say he was dragged 50yds and had numerous stitches from an incident in June 25.....maybe PSD- why and what she was doing there will come out-- bottomline- I and many overreacted to incident- still think she should NOT be dead, but very sad situation on all counts. Remember Republicans and Democrats both think they are 100 right......not.

I watched two videos,,,, I think it was MURDER

things are starting to come out that tell a completely different story.

I'm sure more stuff will come out later.

The agent that stood in front of the vehicle is a moron. They surround a car that is:
1. Running
2. The driver is in full control of

and he stands in front of the vehicle.

He wasn't "standing" in front of a vehicle. He was part of a team converging on the vehicle so that the idiot inside would quit blocking their operation.

You're delusional.

And BTW, your comment that the hole in the windshield is an exit hole from shots fired into the side window is complete made-up trash.

Look at the picture I quoted, there is a guy standing in front of the vehicle.


I made no comment about the hole in the windshield.

If I take a picture of a gazelle racing across grassland at 60mph, does that picture mean the gazelle was standing there?? The officer wasn't standing in front of the vehicle, he was approaching the vehicle when it suddenly backed up and accelerated toward him.

And you're right, that was lookiedookie, I keep getting the two of you confused. Sorry about that.

100% made-up b.s.

So - I said before I won't watch the videos. So I should temper my comments. But just for the record here is what I know and then what I think based on what I have read and heard:

- Protesting in the USA is not a terrorist activity and when the PoTUS comes out hours after a fatal shooting to make such a claim, you know something is amiss. It smells like cover up - or just extremists flooding the zone with excrement.
- Masked agents with no identification - somehow this aspect of how ICE operate seems to be alluding people and being accepted as normal. It is not.
- Use of force by any law enforcement agency needs to be equal and appropriate to the situation - stepping in front of a vehicle to put yourself in harms way to create the scenario where you can claim your life is in danger does not give you the right to then take a life. Rugby tackling a person and slamming to the ground because they are in your face is not appropriate. 32+ deaths in custody and counting for ICE - seems entirely avoidable. As with a traffic stop - an individual not doing what an officer instructs them to do is not a green light for a death penalty.
- The targeting of Democratic cities by the administration is wrong. There are illegal immigrants everywhere - the crime rates are much higher in other Republican cities than the cities targeted by the National Guard. It is more than surprising that people are ok with Trump acting in a petty, vindictive, targeted way against opponents - in the case of ICE, the National Guard and the made up and contrived prosecution of political opponents or individuals who have spoken out against him in the past. To deny this is happening isn't credible - and accepting it represents something that goes against what the founding fathers intended.

Those are all fact based observations.


What I think about the woman shot in MN - based on multiple reports and commentators both conservative and left leaning and also former law enforcement individuals commentating on the actions of the ICE agents.

- It was a shooting that could and should have been avoided.
- It was a shooting where the agent used excessive and unnecessary force.
- It was a situation where he was not in danger and he stepped to the side of the car easily.
- The car was not "full throttle" or accelerating as if to drive over the agent.
- The agent calmly walked away, not in distress or showing any emotion having shot someone in the head.


Bottom line - a US citizen was shot by a masked individual. I don't know what happened immediately prior to this event and if the woman had done something specific to be targeted. Protesting against ICE agents is not "impeding an agent from carrying out their function" - it is not aiding and abetting illegal immigrants.

"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - I heard someone quote this yesterday to talk about the republicans. Seems more and more appropriate.
Ignore the targeting of perceived political opponents or democratic cities.
Ignore an agency running around masked and unidentified who are wholly untransparent.
Ignore the overriding of the countries checks and balances.
Ignore the division that emanates from the Whitehouse and claim it is the Democrats that are the party of hate.
Ignore Project 2025 and first claim it has nothing to do with Trump. Then ignore that Trump's administration policy proposals mirror so many Project 2025 blueprints/ideas.

Execution without a trial.

NY Times: Videos Contradict Trump Administration Account of ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html

Any way you cut it, she should have complied with the officers commands. A 10 year old knows that.

Who in here thinks gunning the gas in an attempt to get away from the law is a good idea?

I agree that protest is legal. It does have to be peaceful and not disrupt or obstruct the community. In many cases it needs permit.

Obstructing an officer in the line of duty is not protesting. It is an act of domestic terrorism. This domestic terrorist is the cause of her own death. Plain and simple.

She gunned it after she was shot. Do 10 year olds know what happens after you have bee shot?

Can't find the video now - but there was at least one witness on TV yesterday who said that one of the agents was yelling at her to turn her car around and leave, while another agent was yelling at her to get out of the car.

Yes. Or maybe.

1. Is he and officer? Based on what? A gun and a mask? Are you advising all citizens to obey the commands of unidentified individuals dressed in black, masked and waving a firearm?

2. My kids should listen to me when I tell them to do something. People should not steal. People should not drive intoxicated or high. People should abide by the speed limit. She should do something - does not mean that she should be executed if she does not.

I have not watched - every individual I have listened to has indicated the car in no way "was gunned" at the ICE agent.

Also heard and seen a lot of justification for the shooting because the agent was previously dragged under a car (on duty?) -- that changes NOTHING. If anything - if his reaction was based on that trauma (as has been suggested as an excuse) HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CARRYING A FIREARM AND WAS NOT FIT FOR ACTIVE DUTY.

j/c:

Body cam of the agent in front of the car has just been released.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/s/xb1kCLU2mV

Different perspectives.

Still haven't watched but read the comments. This isn't body cam footage it is a phone recording the incident. These seem appropriate comments I read quickly:.

They are trying to act as if this was a super tense situation and they feared for their lives but he had his phone out to record.

What part of law enforcement training involves silently circling a suspect with your personal phone recording them.

What part of LE training involves drawing your weapon with the other hand and nearly popping your colleague at the drivers window with one of his three rounds.

He shot with his partner right in front of him by a few feet, in the shooters uncontrolled anger he clearly put his fellow officer in danger.

"uncontrolled anger"

Can't even make it up.

Sorry man, she was shot after lurching forward.

They are always full of excuses of some sort.