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Let me guess.....u are retired.
Everytime I come to this site you are on here and you reply to most of the posts.
Don't have any issues at all with it just noticed you have alot of time on your hands.
Nope, not retired at all,,, I am however self employed and I work out of the house.. Most of the time I get my work for the day done in about an hour in the morning,,then it's off to either play with my Z or some other hobby like The Browns....
I'm a very lucky guy,,,Trust me, I've had it the other way for most of my life,,,
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I think it happened between being drafted and going to the Ravens, and I agree with you.
At any rate, his role was minor, he faced the judge and jury, then paid his debt. I don't know if he is still on probation or not, but he has done what he needs to do. At some point people to to forgive and forget. God expects that you know.
Lewis still has some gas in the tank. How this bodes towards this year is hard to tell. My guess is we let Reuben go, but I could see keeping him and run a rotation with the two. Do we draft AP...I still don't think so....but again, who knows??
I like the signing.
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It wouldnt suprise me to see Lewis call up Edward Mulitalo and tell him to get his butt over here and block for him, If Eddie dosent ask for the world he might fit in nicely. Ya never have enough road graders in the RED Zone..  This signing also shores up, were not going QB in the draft, The team is being build around the running game, to take the pressure off of Charlie, What better way to help Charlie than to tell him to had off to Lewis, he'll run behind Stienbaugh, Hank an Thomas ...Works for me...Bet it would work for Charlie
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now who do the Browns target?
Hood?
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I think it's a wait & see many players have visited but are waiting to sign, or waiting for someone else to sign and judge thier contract against thiers. One signing could get the whole thing rolling,
I do see us signing 1 more DLine help, and 1 more guard, I think the CB crop is slim pickens and whats left might not be worth the money, vs what one can get thru the draft, Getting a 2nd 2nd round pick would be perfect we need to grab a Lineman & a CB in the second, 3rd round corners ????
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I would still look for 1 O-linemen...a swing player in a back-up role. You don't have to build teams from the top down. You can do it from the bottom up too.
But D needs some help. Hood sounds good...a Dlineman wouldn't hurt a thing....maybe Smith if he is still out there.
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I see us keeping Reuben. $1.75 million (his bonus due 3/15) is chump change these days in the NFL. This would allow Phil to ignore Peterson and concentrate on filling another need. And as you've mentioned before, next year's crop of RBs is loaded. That's when we get our next "back of the future".
At least thats what makes the most sense to me.
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Did somebody lose a RatBurd? I do not care WHO wins us games. But wow the JammyMan trade up or what? Use the Draft, Phil! And may the Elf be with you!  
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I do find it hilarious, that just last year at this time we were yelling Let the Lewis brothers rot in prison,...criminals, jail rats..no good law breakers, now after yesterday were saying, he paid his debit to sociaty, it wasnt a hugh crime like murder or he wasnt really selling cocaine, total 360, I'm the same i just find it funny, one day your a criminal, next day were asking were we can purchase your jersey....  ..Humans are funny
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I see us keeping Reuben. $1.75 million (his bonus due 3/15) is chump change these days in the NFL. This would allow Phil to ignore Peterson and concentrate on filling another need. And as you've mentioned before, next year's crop of RBs is loaded. That's when we get our next "back of the future".
At least thats what makes the most sense to me.
It makes sense, but Phil isn't going to ignore Peterson because of Reuben. He will only ignore AP if he has someone else rated as a better player on his draft board.
Really, think about it....."I have Reuben Droughns, who needs Peterson?" Kind of funny really. 
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Why does anyone think this would eliminate Peterson???
I don't ..he's a option..
I was a tid bit surprised but I see it's a interesting move whether they keep RD or not..
Lewis while feeling the wars and declining is still a load to recon with..and it's ONLY A ONE YEAR DEAL...
It's a upgrade..
We've still got over 20M bucks
Thats the interesting part..and with players getting released like crazy, no wonder Phil is sitting back..if he pounces too early, he's blown the money..
CB/DE/OG still needed...
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Really, think about it....."I have Reuben Droughns, who needs Peterson?" Kind of funny really.
Actually, I hope Phil is thinking "I have Lewis and Droughns this year, I don't have to take Peterson if he's there." That will open the door to Thomas or Quinn who are better long term bets for the Browns, IMO.
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Just heard Savage on WTAM and he was very noncommitalon Reuben.
He was asked what this meant for Droughns.
He said that he is not sure right now. He said he had conversations with him last night and this morning and he will be talking to him again later this mornig.
Sounds to me like Reuben is not happy.
He stated that Reuben had a good year 2 years ago and that he tapered off this last year. Savage also made the comment of Lewis being a feature back.
He was asked how this affects the draft and he said that it really doesn't.
He also said that he's not sure if he's done addressing the o-line before the draft.
Again very vague, but sometimes you can read between the lines a little.
To me I got the impression that Droughns is all but gone.
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Does this move with Lewis bring Peterson more into focus? Nah, I don't believe so, but it also doesn't reduce it much either.
For what its worth, I agree 100%. I don't see how this signing (1 year or not) has any impact on what we do on draft day.
I "like" Reuben better than Lewis, but even with the wear Lewis is a better back. Not by much, mind you. It'll be interesting to see him a little more healthy behind a re-vamped line in a contract year.
Even though I'm a high-character advocate, I have no problems with Lewis. Kids with money make mistakes. Some mistakes make it public. Some don't. Its been seven years. Bygones.
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Yeah peen, I agree with this signing also,,
I simply look at Lewis as an Upgrade on Droughns,, and I don't believe for one second that Savage is dumb enough to draft a guy with the injury history of Peterson,,, at least not that high anyway.. I know that Peterson is talented and all, but what good is he if he can't stay on the field..
I'd rather see us draft Quinn...."GULP" a particularly hard thing for me to swallow.
Now, take an extended look at it... what if we draft a young kid in the second or later round this year to be our RB of the future,,, (hey, it could happen) and we resign Lewis and he becomes our Bettis,,, short yardage/goal line guy next season.. Tell me what's bad about that?
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jc..
I want to archive this thread....because we all know if Lewis has a 150+ yard day against the Ravens the first meeting, they are all going to be all over his jock.
I think Jamal gives us that guy that can punch it in from 2-3 yds out, something we have been lacking. Nothing is worse than getting to within the 5 and not being able to move the ball after that.
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I understand some want to look at it as a way to spin things...I am not doing that. If Phil wants Peterson, he isn't going to pass the guy because he has Reuben friggen Droughns in the wings.
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Really, think about it....."I have Reuben Droughns, who needs Peterson?" Kind of funny really.
That would be funny if Phil or I had actually said that. Phil's not saying anything so we don't know what he thinks. But what I'm saying is that the backs we have are good enough to get us to next year. When the class of backs coming out is pretty good. So this year we can draft Joe Thomas or Brady Quinn or Alan Branch at #3. We'll get our running back next year.
Honestly, at this point in time I think they're leaning towards Quinn. But that's just a hunch. And not one I'm totally sure I'd endorse.
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Wow, you guys jumped on this like junkies on crack. (Sorry, bad metaphor considering some of the posts I've seen.) Anyway, after reading through 6+ pages of thread, this quote from Zac Jackson's article really stuck out in my mind... Quote:
and the Browns plan to put a rugged offensive line in front of him.
Here's my take... Sign Mulitalo. Draft Thomas and a 2nd Round RB.
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Sign Mulitalo. Trade down, Draft Levi Brown, a 2nd Round RB, and fill another glaring need like DL or CB.
We really can't go wrong!! 50 days and counting... BRING IT!!!!
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Some us aren't trying to spin things at all. If Phil wants Thomas or Quinn at #3, signing Lewis and, perhaps, keeping Droughns is a very smart move.
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I agree, if Savage wants Peterson, droughns doesn't even fit into the equation at all,,, not even close..
But I'm convinced that any talk of Peterson is a smoke screen..
Someone tell me this, when was the last time an injury prone RB was taken that high in the draft?
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j/c
After thinking about this, I worry that this is Savage just getting his old Raven buddies. I know that's pretty flimsy, but I just am concerned about it. I like Droughns and I wish we would keep him, if only to see what he does behind an improved line (fingers crossed, knock on wood, etc.). I just have to think that getting Lewis spells the end for Droughns.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I am to the point I don't really argue for any of the top guys....Savage is going to do what he wants...and I still don't think needs plays a big role with that first pick. If AP is his highest rated player, he is going to take him. Forget needs with that first pick.
I am not pimping Peterson, but a top back like him with a hammer like lewis would be a pretty good 1-2 punch...we have to remember, Lewis isn't the lewis of 3 years ago.
At any rate, we are one day closer to finding out who we select.
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WE JUST NEED A GUARD!!! and guards arent taken til the 2nd round in most cases!! and normally a guard will fall to day 2 (ie Max Jean Gilles)...
Seriously... all the posts on this board about getting Warren, and not getting LT.. the Cleveland Browns Organization (yea i said their full name) will regret not getting this guy!!!
You know how many big ugly 300 lb. guys are out there who can block?? not too many running backs are out there though who can move, who has instinct, and has vision like Peterson. TAKE HIM w/ the 3!!
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I agree, if Savage wants Peterson, droughns doesn't even fit into the equation at all,,, not even close..
But I'm convinced that any talk of Peterson is a smoke screen..
Someone tell me this, when was the last time an injury prone RB was taken that high in the draft?
Of those being discussed in the top 5, Peterson would be the biggest surprise pick to me. Not the most disappointing from my view, but the biggest surprise. I think Savage has close to "0" interest in him.
Is this off-season really dragging out or is it just me... 
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I think Savage has close to "0" interest in him.
Is this off-season really dragging out or is it just me...
1) Are u serious? Savage loves Oklahoma.. do you not think that while scouting guys like Antonio Perkins, and Brodney Pool, that he just only watched the defense, and turned his head at the offense. Peterson is on Savages radar. He is on the Browns radar period.
2) I think the countdown to the draft thing is really making the off-season drag.. lol.. like 4real 4real.. it seems like its been 50+ days forever now.
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You may be correct that needs don't play a big role with the first pick. The trouble is that with the Browns you can legitimately say we have a need at damn near every position. Except punter. 51 days until the draft. Seems like an eternity.
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But I'm convinced that any talk of Peterson is a smoke screen..
Someone tell me this, when was the last time an injury prone RB was taken that high in the draft?
It might be...who knows. He may want Gaines Adams.
To the injury factor....I don't think the guy is a big injury risk. He broke a collar bone....freak injury, and one year he had a high ankle sprain. When you run, those don't heal well.
Mcfadden sprained his ankle last season...I guess that guy is injury prone too??
To me, injury prone guys are guys who always pull muscles...they are the ones you have to worry about, or guys with skinny necks like that VTech runner we had.
The stuff Peterson had were commom things that happen at random times. He might break his collar bone or sprain an ankle again, or he might not.
Joe Thomas has a bum knee with only 1 year under the belt without blowing it out again. Is he injury prone....I don't think so, but that knee could collape at any time if you hold him to the standard you hold Peterson.
I am not pimping Peterson, but I like to see things remain fair rather than see people spin things to meet their end.
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TOAD i just think your obsessed with Droughns, think practical... for a minute there I almost beleived you knew what you were talking about and... somewhat of an Intelligent Football Guru.. We can't and won't keep Both and they Know most likely Thomas will be gone and AP will be taken by Us (BROWNS)... so yes your boy will be jobless....
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now who do the Browns target?
Hood?
May I chime in? I think the fact that a large percentage of Lewis's pay will come from games played instead of yards gained or balls carried, that he's set up very well contractually to share carries with someone else. I think that leaves AP very much on our wishlist and I think Lewis would be fine with it for that kind of guaranteed money or he wouldn't have signed that kind of contract.
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I think Savage has close to "0" interest in him.
1) Are u serious? Savage loves Oklahoma.. do you not think that while scouting guys like Antonio Perkins, and Brodney Pool, that he just only watched the defense, and turned his head at the offense. Peterson is on Savages radar. He is on the Browns radar period.
Its one guy's opinion, but things aren't adding up.
1. As recently as September of this past year it was more common to see Savage in reference to Lynch than to Peterson - for whatever reason.
2. Our injury history combined with our desparate need for a healthy play-maker has to make Savage at least somewhat gun-shy.
3. Savage as insinuated on more than one occasion that he was unhappy with how Harrison and Vickers were utilized last year.
4. Even as much as our line sucked last year, a lot of yards were left on the field by Reuben being one or two steps too slow. Lewis is about that much faster (heck - a healthy Reuben is about that much faster).
5. Next year's RB class is SICK! There's a good reason by Peterson came out this year.
Trading back and grabbing him more in the 8-12 range, I'd buy.
No way he gets picked by us at #3. Stranger things have happened, but it would be the most surprising pick Phil could make, IMO.
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Is this off-season really dragging out or is it just me...
2) I think the countdown to the draft thing is really making the off-season drag.. lol.. like 4real 4real.. it seems like its been 50+ days forever now.
Maybe that it. Its something alright. I feel like someone turned the hourglass of time on its side and is just standing there laughing.
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Not to pile on the Droughns thing, but...
I keep reading that his roster bonus is "only" 1.75 mil or so. HOWEVER, he is due a salary on top of that, right?
So...1.75 mil up front plus another 2.45 mil (estimated salary at 4.2mil less 1.75mil) is an awful lot for a guy like RD...even the RD from a couple years ago.
If my estimates are in the ballpark, RD has got to be on the way out or heading towards a restructure.
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I've been saying the same thing about Petersons injuries. Very common...especially for a Running Back.
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Ok,,perhaps I'm reading too much into Petersons injuriies,,, it seems to me that he's missed time each and every year in college,,, but I have to check to be sure,, I need to do more research I guess...
if your right, then perhaps I'm being unfair,,,
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Mike and Mike just talked about the Browns signing Jamal Lewis..
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What did they say?
Heard Opie on WTAM and he said they were involved in the McGhee talks and they felt the key to aquiring him would be a LONG TERM DEAL and they would be married to him for the next 5-6 years and they didn't want to do that, they wanted to keep their options open..
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I´d like to know his SB on that extension...so we know how much of a cap hit he represents if we cut him
I thought RD received a 4mill signing bonus last year.
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McGahee seems to have somewhat of an attitude problem.
6 years? On that knee? Everyone here watched that game, we saw Willis, and we know it can't hold out forever.
5-6 years, no thanks. I'll take Jamal for one.
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Savage also made the comment of Lewis being a feature back.
Lewis complained last season that he was ineffective because he did not receive enough touches. The Browns were 31st in the NFL in average rushes per game (23). The Ravens were 11th in the NFL (with roughly 30).
On average, the Ravens ran 7 more times each game than the Browns - and Lewis was unhappy. I hope I am wrong - but, it is all too common for the Browns "featured back" to finish a game with 15 or 16 touches.
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Well when your down by 14 points and have gone 3 and out the past 5 possesions.
15 touches isn't that bad.
We have not been able to run on first down in 7 years. This is what they are trying to change, so that we can get him or any other back 20-25 touches.
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