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Posted By: Mourgrym 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 06/21/12 10:51 PM


Cleveland Browns announce training camp schedule
Published: Thursday, June 21, 2012, 4:19 PM Updated: Thursday, June 21, 2012, 4:50 PM
Tom Reed, The Plain Dealer By Tom Reed, The Plain Dealer

BEREA, Ohio -- The Browns will open training camp on July 28 at their Berea training facility.

Fans will get an opportunity to attend 16 practices, including a Family Night Practice at Cleveland Browns Stadium on Aug. 8 at 7 p.m.

There is no admission to any of the sessions. Fans attending practice at the Berea facility can park on the campus of Baldwin-Wallace College near the intersection of Beech Street and Bagley Road.

Fans also can call the Browns training camp hotline at 877-627-6967 for the latest updates on practice times.

TRAINING CAMP SCHEDULE

July 28: Helmets 8:45-11:15 a.m.

July 29: Full pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.

July 30: Full pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.

Aug. 1: Full pads 2:00-4:30 p.m.

Aug. 2: Full pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.

Aug. 3: Full pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.

Aug. 4: Full pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.

Aug. 6: Full pads 2:00-4:30 p.m.

Aug. 7: Full pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.

Aug. 8: Family practice night 7:00-- 8:30 p.m.

Aug. 10 Browns at Detroit 7:30 p.m.

Aug. 12: Full pads 2:00-4:30 p.m.

Aug. 13: Full pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.

Aug. 14: Shells 8:45-11:15 a.m.

Aug. 16: Browns at Green Bay 8 p.m.

Aug. 19: Full pads 2:00-4:30 p.m.

Aug. 21: Full pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.

Aug. 22: Shells 8:45-11:15 a.m. web page
Posted By: HotBYoungTurk Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 06/21/12 11:00 PM
dang.. more than a month to go..
Posted By: Rishuz Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 06/21/12 11:15 PM
I think it's important to note that the last time I was at training camp was before the 2007 season. We went 10-6 that year.

I will be there either first or second week of August this year.

We'll see if there is any correlation between my visit and the number of wins!
Posted By: Browns Lifer Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 06/22/12 12:53 AM
Posted By: crazyotto55 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 06/22/12 01:45 AM
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We'll see if there is any correlation between my visit and the number of wins!




If there is I'm betting next year we'll all pitch in a little and pay your way...
Posted By: Brownoholic Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 06/22/12 03:11 PM
This'll be my first year going. Looking forward to it . . .
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 06/27/12 11:50 AM
I will try to go this year, and I really enjoyed it before. I am just so ready for some football. And I am a tad optimistic about the new blood and Chilly and some off-season prep. At least in camp, they are undefeated!
LOLetc. Want to see the players with my own two eyes. The contact up close can be a thriller and I have never gotten tired of the pads popping up close and personal.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/21/12 09:54 PM

An early guide to Browns rookies and their roles

By Steve Doerschuk
CantonRep.com staff writer web page

Summer break is nearing its end for NFL players, coaches — and yes, the NFL beat writers.

This Saturday morning (July 28) at 8:45 a.m., the Cleveland Browns take the field for their first practice of training camp. It will be helmets only for the players. But the hitting will start soon enough, with them going full pad the next morning and taking the field for their first preseason game Aug. 10 at Detroit.

All eyes will be on the Browns’ newest faces, especially the two first-round picks expected to lead the team back to NFL relevance — Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden.

Repository Browns beat writer Steve Doerschuk’s takes on some of the rookies based on the minicamps before summer vacations started.

And be sure to follow the Browns all season long at CantonRep.com/browns, where fans can get all of the latest news and debate what it means at Steve’s blog CantonRep.com/freshbrownies.


SUMMER BREAK TAKES
With the Browns looking to jump-start a long dormant offense and continuing to take a step forward with a defense that will be missing two key players (injured Phil Taylor and scheduled-to-be suspended Scott Fujita), several rookies should factor quickly into the team’s plans.

Repository Browns beat writer Steve Doerschuk offers up these takes on some of the rookies. For a fuller look at each of the players drafted by the Browns last April, as well as a rookie photo gallery from training camp, visit CantonRep.com/browns


Trent Richardson, RB, 5-10, 224
Jim Brown, the famed back who has been saying Richardson is nothing special, averaged 78.5 rushing yards a game as a rookie No. 6 overall draft pick in 1957.

That was when the NFL played 12-game seasons.

If Richardson matches Brown’s average as a rookie No. 3 overall pick, he will finish with 1,236 rushing yards. That might shut up Brown a little.

Stats are stats. What would really do the trick is a dynamic look that becomes a centerpiece of a Browns revival. Richardson did not have a chance in spring practice — mostly conducted in helmets and shorts — to prove he can go there.

A franchise holds its breath while waiting to see if he can.


Brandon Weeden, QB, 6-3, 221
Hanging around Weeden for a bunch of spring practices leaves this important impression:

He is a rookie with an asterisk.

The important part, the asterisk, is not only his age, but the fact he has used his relatively lengthy stay on Earth to grow up and absorb a little wisdom.

Ironically, many younger quarterbacks seem to feel the need to come off as know-it-alls. Weeden is past that stage, addressing those he meets in his new NFL life with authority and humility.

His maturity has gotten everyone’s attention. So has the zip on his ball. In terms of velocity, accuracy and touch as a package, we haven’t seen anything like it in Berea on the long road that began in 1999.

It’s almost impossible to imagine the brass not wanting to see what Weeden looks like in actual combat immediately.


Mitchell Schwartz, OL, 6-5, 317
Early on in spring drills, fourth-year pro Oniel Cousins got some work at right tackle with the No. 1 offensive line.

Schwartz joined the “ones” early on and quickly impressed teammates and coaches as the obvious starter in waiting at the position.

Schwartz will have to prove he can walk the walk when the hitting starts, but he seems well-grounded and unfazed by the challenge of NFL trench warfare.

He projects as a clear upgrade over what the team has received from the right tackle position since Ryan Tucker’s career wound down about five years ago.


John Hughes, DT, 6-3, 306
Hughes will duke it out with veteran Scott Paxson for the defensive tackle job vacated by injured 2011 Round 1 pick Taylor.

Neither of them can match Taylor’s size and talent, but Hughes has a bigger, better run-plugging build than Paxson.

Paxson, 29, has appeared in only 17 NFL games, but he has seen a lot of the NFL, much of it from the Steelers’ practice squad. He has a toughness and maturity Hughes can aspire to.

Hughes came away from spring practice impressing coaches as at least a viable candidate to play 20 snaps a game, if not start. Production from his spot is a big key to the season, since Taylor won’t return until Game 9 or thereabouts.


James-Michael Johnson, LB, 6-1, 241
Two fourth-round picks are battling to fill the outside linebacker void left by Fujita’s three-game suspension to start the 2012 season.

Kaluka Maiava, entering his fourth NFL season, has a big edge in experience.

Johnson has a big edge in ... being bigger.

It was hard to tell in noncontact spring drills how Johnson can plug in as a run defender, but size matters to a Browns defense that struggled against power running games in 2011 and already lost some front-seven bulk when Taylor went down with a pectoral tear.

The early favorite to replace Fujita is Johnson.


Emmanuel Acho, LB, 6-2, 238
Acho came through spring drills impressing coaches as their kind of guy on many fronts.

He is coachable, smart and serious about this career chance. He has long arms that are accentuated by a 36-inch vertical jump.

He impresses some as a jack-of-all-trades type versatile enough to function at any of the three linebacker spots, but not good enough to excel. It’s the same with special teams: He seems OK, but nothing special.

He has a better than 50-50 chance to make the roster at first but might get bumped to the practice squad when Fujita’s suspension ends.


Billy Winn, DL, 6-3, 296
The Browns need defensive line depth, especially with Taylor out for the first half of the season.

Winn has a chance to provide it at both end and tackle. He probably is more talented than young veterans Brian Schaefering and Emmanuel Stephens, but those two have an edge because they soaked in Dick Jauron’s defense last year. Both have started NFL games.

Winn’s athleticism and the team’s depth issue point to a better than 50-50 chance of making the 53-man roster. He has a chance to work his way up the depth chart as the season goes along.
Posted By: clevesteve Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/21/12 10:03 PM
How do you leave Gordon out of this article?

No mention of smelley or miller?
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/21/12 10:08 PM
Benjamin, Wade, Miller, Gordon & Smelly.

Gordon and Benjamin could be playing huge roles for us this year. I think we will see Benjamin and Gordon out wide often while we slip Little into the slot.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/22/12 02:49 AM

Browns training camp schedule, information


BROWNS TRAINING CAMP SCHEDULE
Admission to all the following practice sessions and the Family Night is free. Practices are held at the team’s Berea training facility, except for Family Night, which is at Cleveland Browns Stadium.

For practices in Berea, fans can enter the facility through the Beech Street entrance. Parking is available on the campus of Baldwin-Wallace College near the intersection of Beech Street and Bagley Road. In all, 16 practices will be open to the public in 2012.

Fans can call the Browns Training Camp Hotline at 877-6BROWNS (877-627-6967) for the latest information on practice times.

Date Attire Time
Saturday Helmets 8:45-11:15 a.m.
July 29 Full Pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.
July 30 Full Pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.
July 31 No practice
Aug. 1 Full Pads 2-4:30 p.m.
Aug. 2 Full Pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.
Aug. 3 Full Pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.
Aug. 4 Full Pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.
Aug. 5 No practice
Aug. 6 Full Pads 2-4:30 p.m.
Aug. 7 Full Pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.
Aug. 8 Shells, Family Night at Cleveland Browns Stadium 7-8:30 p.m.
Aug. 9 No practice
Aug. 10 Preseason game at Detroit 7:30 p.m.
Aug. 11 No practice
Aug. 12 Full Pads 2-4:30 p.m.
Aug. 13 Full Pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.
Aug. 14 Shells 8:45-11:15 a.m.
Aug. 15 No practice
Aug. 16 Preseason game at Green Bay 8 p.m.
Aug. 17 Practice closed to the general public
Aug. 18 No practice
Aug. 19 Full Pads 2:00-4:30 p.m.
Aug. 20 Practice closed to the general public
Aug. 21 Full Pads 8:45-11:15 a.m.
Aug. 22 Shells 8:45-11:15 a.m.

ALL PRACTICE DATES AND TIMES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
All public practices are subject to weather conditions. Practices moved into the field house will be closed to the public.

PROHIBITED/ALLOWED ITEMS
Smoking is prohibited.

Weapons, noisemakers, animals, and aerosol cans are prohibited.
Alcoholic beverages are prohibited.

Plastic bottles and boxed liquids are permitted. Cans and glass are prohibited.

Soft case coolers are permitted. Hard plastic coolers are prohibited.

Cameras are permitted, but must not interfere with another fan’s enjoyment of practice. The images reproduced may not be used commercially. Commercial video equipment is prohibited.

Umbrellas, strollers, purses, fanny packs, backpacks, and diaper bags are permitted but are subject to inspection.

Portable folding chairs and lawn chairs are permitted, but are subject to inspection.

DIRECTIONS
From the South to Cleveland Browns Training Facility

Take I-71 North (Cleveland) to Bagley Road exit 235.

Turn left onto Bagley Road.

Continue on Bagley Road to Beech Street on your right.

Parking available at B-W George Finnie Stadium Lot.

Handicap Parking: Available on Front Street at the Berea Recreation Center. A free shuttle to training camp will be available in front of the parking lot at the Berea Recreation Center.
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Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/22/12 02:52 AM
There are going to be some difficult decisions to make this year.

One thing that I think really says what the Browns looked for this year are words like "Mature", "Professional", "Bigger", "Faster", "Ready".

The Browns wanted guys who they could plug in from day 1. I think that they have several in Richardson, Weeden, Schwartz, and JMJ. Gordon might be another, but I don't think that he has the same level of maturity and readiness the others do. However, the Browns will come out of this draft with at least 4 starters, and maybe even a couple more.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/22/12 08:50 AM
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How do you leave Gordon out of this article?

No mention of smelley or miller?





It said the article would look at some of the players. For a full look you can read it online.
Posted By: SaintDawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/22/12 05:35 PM
Aug. 6 Full Pads 2-4:30 p.m.

DancinDawg and I plan to attend. This is our only chance for her to see some pumpkin hats up close this year since she will be spending Fall semester in Florence Italy.

Naturally, I will post my observations.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/22/12 07:15 PM
Looking forward to your analysis, bud!
Posted By: SaintDawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/22/12 07:53 PM
I'll have a pad and a pen and be taking notes. It should be the 6th or 7th day of full pads. I would think I'd start seeing something by then.

If anyone else is going that day, let me know.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 07:15 PM
NFL network doing their training camp show, had the Browns on for about 7 minutes. Good to see Colt there competing with Weeden. One thing that stood out was the freaking size of Miller. That boy is a freaking mountain, he was working at LT.

Anyway wasn't much but Michael Lombardi and Brian Baldinger did spend the entire time ripping on the Browns and especially the Browns receivers. Lombardi was saying the Browns did nothing to help the speed of their offense and Colt wasn't the problem. Their offense was west coast 101. Basically anyway they thought he could rip on the Browns they did. Pretty freaking cheap considering they spent all day kissing the ass of every other team they covered.
Posted By: brownsfansince79 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 07:19 PM
So you're saying the Browns FO is planning on cutting Joe Thomas and putting Miller at LT??? [/purple]
Posted By: Thebigbaddawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 07:33 PM
Lombardi is the biggest moron in the country, especially when it comes to the Browns and his Conan sized ax he has to grind against them/us.
Posted By: no_logo_required Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 07:36 PM
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Lombardi is the biggest moron in the country, especially when it comes to the Browns and his Conan sized ax he has to grind against them/us.




you'd think his axe would be with Modell and therefore the Ravens, but I agree.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 07:42 PM
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Lombardi is the biggest moron in the country, especially when it comes to the Browns and his Conan sized ax he has to grind against them/us.




Now you know I don't like talking media heads., but why is he a moron in particular, is it because he said we didn't do enough about the receivers? Not sure I disagree with that. Is it because he didn't lay the entire blame on Colt McCoy,, again, I can't disagree with him there.

But what puzzles me more is, why would he have any kinda ax to grind against us, I mean the cleveland browns or the Browns fans?

He worked here from 87 until Modell moved them to Baltimore.. we didn't do a thing to him.. Modell did, so explain again why he has an ax to grind with the Browns.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 07:43 PM
Gordon looks like a big TE, huge kid. Richardson looks like a Tazmanian Devil lol short, short legs and he is all shoulders and chest. Seriously in those brown uniforms he does look like Taz lol. The back wearing 35 looks like a kid that snuck on the field when noone was looking.

Wish they had better angles, cant really tell anything other than watching the QBs mechanics.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 07:52 PM
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Lombardi is the biggest moron in the country, especially when it comes to the Browns and his Conan sized ax he has to grind against them/us.



I tend to refuse to believe that anybody in the national media, (perhaps other than Dilfer) really dislikes us all that much until such time as we start to win and they still don't have anything nice to say.... then I will consider that it could be something personal.

When you lose consistently, look horrible doing it, make questionable hires, questionable draft picks, etc..... people aren't going to say nice things about you....
Posted By: brownsfansince79 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 07:59 PM
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I tend to refuse to believe that anybody in the national media, (perhaps other than Dilfer) really dislikes us all that much until such time as we start to win and they still don't have anything nice to say.... then I will consider that it could be something personal.

When you lose consistently, look horrible doing it, make questionable hires, questionable draft picks, etc..... people aren't going to say nice things about you....




I'm with you. Just because they're saying negative things about our favorite team doesn't make the things they say untrue. Let's face it, we weren't good last year (or several years before), and until we see the proof on the field, why should anyone (including us) think it'll be different?

I try to stay positive, but I'm not going to bash a reporter for being negative. Now, if what they're saying is total BS, that's one thing. But if it's just their opinion, then whatever.

And, perhaps even more importantly, why should anyone care what the media says about us?
Posted By: Rishuz Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 07:59 PM
While I agree with you - and I have not seen the report on NFL Network - it would be nice if they could provide their thoughts on the players that we see as promising. I also read on another board what Mourg commented on ... that they pretty much bagged on the team, the O, and the WRs especially. But we did address WR ... last year and this year. I'd like to hear why they think those moves won't make a difference. Something a little more in depth other than regurgitating reasons whey we sucked LAST year ... If they still feel the WRs will continue to suck this year, I'd like to know why considering Little is going into year 2, Benjamin was drafted to be the speed guy, and Gordon was also added. They all may suck and we may suck still, but it would be nice for them to drill down a bit.

But yeah otherwise until we show it on the field, I wouldn't expect much respect ... and honestly, it's why I don't watch any pregame, postgame, or NFL Network shows ... just the games.
Posted By: HaterAid Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 08:16 PM
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But yeah otherwise until we show it on the field, I wouldn't expect much respect




Well put.
Posted By: Spergon FTWynn Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 08:17 PM
they will all have a nice poop burger to eat soon enough!
Posted By: clevesteve Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 08:17 PM
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/roster.html

#35 is Adonis Thomas rookie RB from Toledo

Code:
96	Stephens, Emm.	DL	6-3	255	25	 2	Mississippi
98 Taylor, Phillip DL 6-3 335 24 2 Baylor
35 Thomas, Adonis RB 5-9 185 23 R Toledo
73 Thomas, Joe OL 6-6 312 27 6 Wisconsin
67 Tripp, Kiante DT 6-6 276 24 2 Georgia



Re: Lombardi,

It certainly seems like he goes out of his way to emphasize everything that is wrong about the Browns. I think he may actually be a Browns fan, which would explain all the complaining.
Posted By: Punchsmack Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 08:22 PM
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And, perhaps even more importantly, why should anyone care what the media says about us?




+1

Camp summaries, preseason predictions and power rankings mean nothing right now.

If we win more than last year, the media will start buying in....if not, oh well. This is my team and I'll always root for them.

And anyway, let them talk about how bad we are. I'd rather come into the season with something to prove instead of thining we've earned something already.
Posted By: Punchsmack Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 08:24 PM
Quote:

Re: Lombardi,

It certainly seems like he goes out of his way to emphasize everything that is wrong about the Browns. I think he may actually be a Browns fan, which would explain all the complaining.




Ha ha ha...we have a few "Lombardi's" on this board too.
Posted By: Heldawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 08:30 PM
Patriots, Saints, Lions, Packers.....

Just a handful of teams that have had long, very long stretches of terrible play over the course of my lifetime. And guess what the media bagged on them all the time. I mean they used to actually call the Saints the 'Aints and couldn't even talk about the franchise without showing a couple jokers with brown paper bags on their heads.

I bring this up to say that once we develop some success and sustain it the media is going to be all over the Browns and how great we are.

Just about everything in life is cyclical in nature. We've been down for a while. It's about time we rise back up.
Posted By: no_logo_required Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 08:36 PM
you are always supposed to add the Seahawks to the list too so that someone can mention that Holmgren resurrected 2 of those teams fortunes.
Posted By: BADdog Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 09:12 PM
Wow I was watching espn today. They predicted Richardson as rookie of the year with 1,200 yards

Wow just watched a bit more Trent Dilfer really likes Weedens Mechanics.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 10:09 PM
Cleveland Browns
Browns training camp: news, notes and observations from practice
By Nate Ulrich Published: July 25, 2012



The Browns opened training camp today with rookies, quarterbacks and select veterans practicing this afternoon. Here are some highlights from the session and subsequent interviews:

Cleveland debut

Wide receiver Josh Gordon, whom the Browns selected in the second round of the NFL’s supplemental draft earlier this month, told reporters he failed a marijuana test after transferring to Utah. Gordon previously failed two marijuana tests at Baylor and was suspended indefinitely.

Still, Gordon has vowed to stay out of trouble, and the Browns have put their trust in him.

“Yeah, there was a failed test [at Utah],” Gordon said following his first practice with the Browns. “But [it’s] definitely something I want to get past. Coming out here, I have a new experience, a new foundation to get started and I don’t really plan on looking back in the past anymore. I only look toward my future.

“Seeing as though I’m already the guy with a spotty background, it would make no sense for me to ever try to get back to doing the stuff that I was doing. I have no thoughts of ever trying to be that person or be the bad guy that everybody knows. I don’t want to be that person.”

Browns General Manager Tom Heckert said he drilled Gordon about his past before the supplemental draft, and Gordon told him everything he felt he needed to hear.

“I’m definitely a changed person,” Gordon said. “The things that happened were such a long time ago, and the fact that there’s this many people in such a prestigious organization like this holding their jobs and their necks out on the line for a guy like me says a lot about them, their character. I just want to meet them halfway on that agreement. And if they’re gonna be willing to do this for me, I want to just be willing to reciprocate.”

Gordon, 6-foot-3 and 224 pounds, looks the part of a No. 1 wide receiver, but he’ll obviously need to work on his route running. Coach Pat Shurmur and receivers coach Mike Wilson pulled Gordon aside during practice and gave him tips on his technique.

Shurmur later told reporters he believes Gordon has a chance to become a good player. Gordon, though, needs to play catch-up as he learns a new offense after missing organized team activities and minicamps in the spring.

“From what I can tell already, he’s a quick learner,” Shurmur said. “We’ve kind of amped it up for him so that we can get him going quickly. It’s obvious to me that he understands how to play the position. He gets lined up well, understands coverage adjustments, it’s just a matter of him getting familiar with our terminology. So we’ll see how quickly he’ll do it.”

Naming a starting QB

Shurmur is expected to name rookie Brandon Weeden the team’s starting quarterback at some point this summer. It could happen before the first preseason game on Aug. 10, or Shurmur could wait until the Browns are in the midst of their exhibition schedule.

“I think it makes sense to name the starter well before the start of the season, and so that’s probably what will happen,” Shurmur said. … “I think it’s fair to say that between now and the first game, anywhere in here we could possibly name the starter. [We] don’t necessarily need to see so many snaps of a preseason game.”

At camp on time

Weeden, the 22nd overall pick in this year’s draft, and running back Trent Richardson, the third overall pick, had their rookie contracts wrapped up in the past two days, just in time for camp. Both players seemed relieved not to miss any of the action.

Camp schedule

Veterans are set to report to camp Thursday, and the first full-squad practice will be held Friday. Camp opens to the public at 8:45 a.m. Saturday.
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Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 10:12 PM
Cleveland Browns
Transcript from news conference with Browns coach Pat Shurmur
By Nate Ulrich Published: July 25, 2012

Browns coach Pat Shurmur met with reporters following the first practice of training camp. Here is a transcript from the news conference:

(Opening Statement)- “It was the first day, as you know, with the rookies. I think the rookies really benefit from being out here and I think the coaches benefit from getting back out here and coaching again. From what I could tell, the rookies have come in in very good shape. The benefit of having an offseason, I think we’re starting way further ahead this year than we did obviously last year because of the body of work that these guys have put in. They are actually watching cut-ups of things they did in the spring where they didn’t have that last year. We’ve got some good young talent out there. I thought the work was good. Obviously, we can’t work on tempo yet until we get a full squad, but I think the guys look good. We got them out running around and then we’ll add them tomorrow with the vets when they report, do our running test and then are off to the races.”

(On his first impressions of Josh Gordon)- “We did it privately, but we got to know Josh pretty well behind the scenes and for obvious reasons we didn’t talk about it much prior to the supplemental draft. But as you can see, he’s a very good looking young man. He’s over 6-3, 225, he catches the ball extremely well and we’re going to bring him along. There was some conversation about his quad so we are going to have to work with that as we go, but he was out here practicing and we’ll managed that. The first impressions were that he’s got a chance to be a good player.”

(On how long it will take Gordon to make up the ground from not having an offseason)- “We’ll see. From what I can tell already, he is a quick learner. We’ve kind of amped it up for him so we could get him going quickly. It’s obvious to me that he understands how to play the position. He gets lined up well, understands coverage adjustments. It’s just a matter of him getting familiar with our terminology so we’ll see. We’ll see how quickly he can do it and we’ll throw him in with the rest of the guys and I think it will be obvious to all of us.”

(On how important it was to have Brandon Weeden in on time)- “I think it’s important for all of the guys to be here when camp starts. Yeah, it’s very important. I think the structure of the way the draft is now and the way guys are signing, it’s going to be very rare for a guy to hold out. I knew all along with some certainty that these contracts would get done and I think our guys did an excellent job of coming to an agreement with them and their agents and Trent (Richardson) and Brandon are obviously here.”

(On how soon he expects to name a starting quarterback)- “Good question, I was expecting that one. I have said it all along sooner is better. I want to get all of the guys out here and watch them work again. I have had a chance to go over what everybody did in the spring numerous times and I feel good about what I saw from Brandon, Colt (McCoy) and Seneca (Wallace) so I’ll have some form of an announcement soon.”

(On if it will help the team to know who the starting quarterback is)- “Sooner is better than later as I have mentioned. What’s important when you’re practicing is that they’re all working together whether it’s a one or a two. If you’re a guy that’s most likely going to make the team and you’re working with a quarterback that’s going to be the starter, whether it’s the first or second rep, it really doesn’t quite matter.”

(On if Josh Cooper has an advantage because of his familiarity with Weeden)- “It may help him as far as that connection that they have. He is used to looking for him. He’s in the progression like the rest of the guys and there are times where we’ll call a play where Josh is first in the progression and he will get the football. There’s times where he’s in the route combination and he’s not first and he gets the football so they have a little bit of a feel and that will help him. But, they are both learning a new offense. Where they would be miles ahead of everybody else is if they were executing their offense, but they’re both learning something new.”

(On how he balances talent with personal issues with players like Gordon)- “I don’t know about balancing. We don’t expect that to happen again and when we go through the process of deciding that we are going to draft this player, we have to come to the conclusion that we feel like this is behind him. Now, I will say this and it may apply to you, me, everybody, people have things that happen in their background, some adversity and I think it’s fair to say that if they can overcome that it makes them stronger in some ways. We anticipate that this will not be an issue, we are going to watch it closely and I think he understands how important it is to be a good teammate and be a good pro. That being said, I hope we don’t have to discuss it anymore.”

(On how Trent Richardson is different today than in rookie minicamp)- “I think he’s in better shape, most definitely. Guys come in when they are drafted that high and as you might expect they are visiting a bunch of clubs, they end up going to New York for the draft, they get caught in that kind of whirlwind of being drafted. So when you see them initially, even though they did a lot of preparation up to the draft, they are a little bit out of shape and I don’t sense that now. I think he is in very good shape”

(On if he liked what he saw from the receivers)- “For a first day, I think they did a nice job, again I saw recall from the spring. It looked like for the most part they are in pretty good condition although we didn’t challenge them that way because the lines are short, and they did a decent job of catching the football. I feel good about adding this young rookie group to the veterans on this team, and seeing who sticks.”

(On if he thinks two playmakers can make a huge difference to a team)- “I think the team has to get better, but it’s easy to point to one or two marquee players added to a group, but I do feel like we’re a better football team than we were last year, in my opinion, from what I’ve seen comparing last year to today. We’re a lot better. I think we’ll function better, and I think we’ve added some good young talent, not to mention a couple free agents.”

(On if he anticipates naming a starting quarterback before preseason games start)- “I think so, I think it makes sense to name the starter well before the start of the season. That’s probably what will happen.”

(On prognosticators predicting that the team won’t do well this year)- “It’s not my concern. What I’m concerned about is getting our players ready to play, putting them out there, and watching them perform well. That’s what I’m concerned about. If they do that, then I think we’ll win games, more than the prognosticators say.”

(On possibly having four rookies start and if that is an issue)- “No, I don’t think so. I think what we’re going to see as time goes on is there’s going to be rookies playing for every club. I think the challenge is to teach them your systems quickly and then get them out there and let them do it.”

(On if his message to the team will be different than last year because he didn’t know them last year)- “I’ve prepared my message for tomorrow, and that’s between me and them, but it is a different message, because I do know them now. Last year, I was seeing these players literally for the first time, most of them, so you say things to people you first meet different than people you’ve had a chance to work with for a year. That’s probably a good question and I’m ready for that.”

(On if his expectations are different for training camp this year)- “I think we have standards of excellence that we want to uphold by the way we practice, and then of course we’re trying to win every game. I think that’s what we’re trying to do. We are trying to win our division which secures us a spot in the playoffs, and gives us a chance to win the biggest one, and that’s what we’re trying to do. Regardless of how we finished last year, that’s what we talk about.”

(On if he will need to see the quarterbacks in preseason games to determine a starter)- “I think it’s fair to say that between now and the first game, anywhere in here, I could possibly name a starter. I don’t necessarily need to see so many snaps in a preseason game.”

(On how much improvement there will be at the quarterback position this season regardless of who starts)- “I saw improvement today from Seneca (Wallace) and Colt (McCoy) and Thad (Lewis), who were here last year. They made a couple throws today that they wouldn’t have been able to make last year just in terms of knowing the progressions. I feel like we’ve got a better situation at quarterback, most definitely.”
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Posted By: DjangoBrown Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 10:59 PM
Quote:

(On how soon he expects to name a starting quarterback)- “Good question, I was expecting that one. I have said it all along sooner is better. I want to get all of the guys out here and watch them work again. I have had a chance to go over what everybody did in the spring numerous times and I feel good about what I saw from Brandon, Colt (McCoy) and Seneca (Wallace) so I’ll have some form of an announcement soon.”




I think he already gave away his depth chart right there, lol
Posted By: Heldawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 11:16 PM
Gordon sure does look the part:

Training Camp Practice Footage
Posted By: Heldawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 11:21 PM
The way he opens those mitts up it kind of looks like Kellen Winslow. His hands absorb the football.

And he's a nice sized athlete. Tall but not wispy or thin. Long arms, big hands. We might have ourselves a steal here. I want to see if he can run away from DBs. If he can there is no ceiling on this guy.

Color me excited!
Posted By: brownsfansince79 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 11:25 PM
I'd like to see him run OVER DBs, but that's just the style of play I like.

In reality, I'd much rather he run past them.
Posted By: BADdog Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 11:39 PM
I dont think he could catch a ball against his body if you asked him to.
The guy has hands!!!!
Posted By: Thebigbaddawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 11:48 PM
I cannot tell you why he has the axe to grind, but he does. I think it was the way the fans treated him and Bellyache. But he has gone out of his way to degrade current players, including calling Joe Haden "slow", multiple times.

As far as media people go, Mike Lombardi has an axe to grind against the fans of Cleveland Browns.
Posted By: SaintDawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 11:52 PM
All the way past them.
Posted By: Thebigbaddawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/25/12 11:54 PM
He definitely looks the part with shorts and no pads. His cuts are a little too rounded for my liking but...guy hasn't played competitively for a few years, so he may not have the same practice cutting routes hard.

Weeden certainly looks the part too. Those 15 yard outs are on target.

Oh, and Travis Benjamin looks like a teenager.
Posted By: Dawgpound017 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 12:01 AM
Quote:

I dont think he could catch a ball against his body if you asked him to.
The guy has hands!!!!




Well....reality is that is a limited clip with a few highlights. Do you think they are going to show us the clips where the ball is doinking off of his chest?

I do like how he catches with his hands, though in the clips we did see. I always remember Braylon. Tall, fast, rangy, can go up and get it. Only problem was, he always went up and got it, even if it was thrown at his damn chest. He would jump up. For everything. Anything higher than his thighs. Used to drive me nuts. Just put your hands up and catch it naturally.

But I'm curious to see what he does with a guy lined up across from him. And we have one of the best in Haden.....I think watching that match up if it happens and hearing Joe's assessment could be telling.
Posted By: BatDawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 12:10 AM

Gordon does have big hands and uses them to catch with, as should all receivers. Hopefully he can teach it, or the others will pick up on it and do it more often.








As to lombardo, he is an idiot, he traded Ernest Byner after the fumble for Mike Oliphant, straight up. I have heard it was the evil one (m.. something) but also that it was lombo. From people who were there at the time, they say lombo. So either way, either it was his doing, or he did nothing to stop it, his 'personnel' decisions/ability is questionable at best. As to his axe to grind, he thinks he should be the top guy wherever he is and no one should question him, belichek included when here, they did not get along as well as lombo would make you think, he started saying they were on the same page when belli started winning SB's.




Back to main topic...
It's good to see those helmets with recent footage and knowing football is coming soon.


Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 12:19 AM
I doubt we see many drops with Gordon but that will not be the case with Benjamin. Honestly, I think Benjamin may be lucky to make the practice squad. It is hard for a guy with the dropsies to shine when you have Norwood, Saffold and Cooper that can catch. Saffold can beat press, especially deep and that could be his ticket. Cooper and Norwood I see more as your quick footed, underneath route runners.
Posted By: Dawgpound017 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 12:33 AM
Let's not forget that Benjamin is a track star who also is a return man. Let's see what he does with that, because that may be his sticking point. Plus I doubt they'd give up on a draft pick that quickly and try to hide him on our PS.
Posted By: Thebigbaddawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 12:35 AM
The thing is, if Benjamin catches 1/3 balls, there is a chance that the 1 could become a TD with his quickness and pure speed.
Posted By: BADdog Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 01:37 AM
I bet he is scheduled to be a gunner on special teams.
Posted By: brownsfansince79 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 02:45 AM
I doubt he replaces Cribbs as gunner. Say what you will about Cribbs, the guy is a special teams beast.

I thought Benjamin looked so quick in those clips.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 02:57 AM
Quote:

The way he opens those mitts up it kind of looks like Kellen Winslow. His hands absorb the football.

And he's a nice sized athlete. Tall but not wispy or thin. Long arms, big hands. We might have ourselves a steal here. I want to see if he can run away from DBs. If he can there is no ceiling on this guy.

Color me excited!




Just watched. Color me excited as well.

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, but one of our WRs needs to emerge as a legit #1 for us to have a shot this year. Gordon certainly looks the part.

I'm anxious to see a slimmer Little as well.

And I have high hopes for Norwood to emerge as really good slot guy this year. I think there is some really untapped potential there.

I don't have high hopes for Benjamin. I'm a huge Heckert fan, but I think panic set in with this pick. Wouldn't be surprised if he made the team though as we are sorely lacking in speed.

I can see MoMass getting cut, quickly getting another opportunity with a new team, then being out of the league in a couple of years.

Little, Gordon, Norwood, Benjamin, Cribbs ... put Cooper on PS.

Keep Moore and let him play some WR as well.

Lots of potential there. But you know what they say about potential. That's the scary thing with all these guys ... it's only on paper.
Posted By: BADdog Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 02:59 AM
Quote:

I doubt he replaces Cribbs as gunner. Say what you will about Cribbs, the guy is a special teams beast.

I thought Benjamin looked so quick in those clips.




You can have 2 gunners cant you?
Posted By: HotBYoungTurk Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 03:38 AM
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Gordon sure does look the part:

Training Camp Practice Footage




Our young guys look HUNGRY and FOCUSED!!

This clip just got me really excited!
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 03:40 AM
How do you see that from that clip?
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 03:52 AM
I understand what he's saying. There's been a few times in the past where you see some players, even young guys, kind of half-ass it through the motions, but something about these clips showed extra fire. You can tell just from them doing their motions, their steps, the way they come out of their breaks and finish.

Not saying it will translate to the field since it's way too early to tell, but I agree with Turk.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 02:16 PM
The picture of Big Mike shaking Gordon's hand is priceless.

He looked pretty tickled.
Posted By: invnobody Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 06:59 PM
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I doubt we see many drops with Gordon but that will not be the case with Benjamin. Honestly, I think Benjamin may be lucky to make the practice squad. It is hard for a guy with the dropsies to shine when you have Norwood, Saffold and Cooper that can catch. Saffold can beat press, especially deep and that could be his ticket. Cooper and Norwood I see more as your quick footed, underneath route runners.




Benjamin was shining yesterday, and I didn't see the dropsies in the video. You can't teach speed, you can teach someone how to use a jugs machine. If Benjamin is placed on the practice squad - he'll be good as gone. BTW....

>>Travis Benjamin has clearly made significant strides since offseason workouts. The fourth-round choice from Miami consistently ran routes with greater precision than he demonstrated in rookie minicamp, full-squad minicamp, and OTA workouts. He also caught everything that came his way, and the speedster showed even greater explosiveness after getting the ball in his hands.

Vic Carucci - ClevelandBrowns.com
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 07:07 PM
That is fantastic news. The kid has a world of talent but in Miami he couldn't catch. His routes weren't much to talk about either. It would be great for the Browns if he does come on, but he will have some stiff competition and he must catch the ball. I think the browns would love to have him on the outside with gordon and open up the slot for Little with his size and athleticism.

We need some speed on the outside to open up the inside for Richardson.
Posted By: waterdawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 07:08 PM
What else would you expect from Vic Carucci ?
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 07:17 PM
Let's hope it continues to show up like this with the vets on the field, pads on, and full contact.
Posted By: HotBYoungTurk Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 07:48 PM
Benjamin will be fine. My biggest concern for him is durability.. I saw a clip where he was BLASTED against NC. With his small frame, he'll have to bulk up a tad to be able to endure those AFC North hits..

Posted By: invnobody Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 07:51 PM
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I think the browns would love to have him on the outside with gordon and open up the slot for Little with his size and athleticism.




I hope its like that from Day 1. Maybe we'll see some effective play action passes this year.

Is it the preseason already?!? I need to watch this in action.
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 09:08 PM
And he is smooth. Catch, turn, and run is silk. Three things we have lacked at WR. The ball is there too. The little bits I saw impressed me!
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 09:13 PM
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I saw a clip where he was BLASTED against NC. With his small frame, he'll have to bulk up a tad to be able to endure those AFC North hits..




Not to worry, Weeden will never allow him to get hit.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 10:13 PM
Yea but he will be working with the 2nd team in preseason and Colt will probably get him killed.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/26/12 10:20 PM
Hopefully that problem is resolved before we start playing games or even start the heavy hitting in camp.

I hope I wake up in the morning to find he is no longer on the team.
Posted By: Psydeffect Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/27/12 02:08 AM
Quote:

Quote:

I dont think he could catch a ball against his body if you asked him to.
The guy has hands!!!!




Well....reality is that is a limited clip with a few highlights. Do you think they are going to show us the clips where the ball is doinking off of his chest?

I do like how he catches with his hands, though in the clips we did see. I always remember Braylon. Tall, fast, rangy, can go up and get it. Only problem was, he always went up and got it, even if it was thrown at his damn chest. He would jump up. For everything. Anything higher than his thighs. Used to drive me nuts. Just put your hands up and catch it naturally.

But I'm curious to see what he does with a guy lined up across from him. And we have one of the best in Haden.....I think watching that match up if it happens and hearing Joe's assessment could be telling.




You're right, and I'm normally a Debbie Downer but that video wasn't bad kool aid. I'm feeling the sudden rush of optimism.
Posted By: GoHooterGo Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/27/12 03:17 AM
(In the Training Camp Video) Still seen a pass that was thrown behind the receiver (Gordon), but he still caught it easily. Hopefully it wasn't Weeden.
Posted By: Deepsouthdawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/27/12 03:48 AM
Really....you know even the best qbs do that from time to time. Especiallh early in camp. Trust me.....all of them do.
Wow !
Posted By: Rambo Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/27/12 09:07 PM
Nice report from today's practice. Mitchell seems to be struggling quite a bit.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=2281

Eyes on Berea 7-27-12

By: Will Burge

The good, the bad, and the ugly – The wide receiver position had a little bit of everything today in training camp. First, Mohammad Massaquoi was good. He looked smooth in QB/WR drills and received quite a bit of praise for his routes and effort from Nolan Cromwell.

Then we have the bad. Fans seem to always ask about Carlton Mitchell and why he does not play. When the second team offense was doing walk-throughs, Mitchell needed to be helped to his proper spot by Travis Benjamin. Remember, Benjamin was just selected in this year’s draft while Mitchell has been on the team for three years. Immediately after, Pat Shurmur had to help Mitchell with his positioning for a minute and it halted the offensive practice.

Josh Cooper was ugly. Despite playing college ball with Brandon Weeden, Cooper is not assured a spot on this roster and his three drops today won’t help his cause. One was a diving attempt down field, but the ball did hit his hands and those are the types of catches that can be the difference between making a roster and being cut.

Defense leading the way – At this point in training camp the defense always looks better than the offense. Today, however, the defense looked like it was filled with All-Pros. Joe Haden nearly had a diving interception off of Brandon Weeden on the first play of 11 on 11 drills. He also had a diving deflection later against Mohammad Massaquoi.

On a fade route from Weeden to Greg Little, Dimitri Patterson had blanket coverage and broke up the pass with perfect positioning.

The newest member of the Browns’ defense, Frostee Rucker, beat his man off the line and as Weeden tried to throw a screen pass, he leaped into the air and batted the pass backwards. Eric Hagg also joined the party by deflecting one pass across the middle and breaking up a swing pass to Trent Richardson.

Both kinds of energy – Today was the start of training camp and there is always a quick pace and energy but it was heightened today. The defense was very vocal and boisterous and the coaches were moving at a frenetic pace.

Pat Shurmur, on the other hand, was very fiery in his post practice press conference. He refused to take questions about the reported sale of the Browns and told reporters he would name a starting QB “on my time.” It certainly must be tough and frustrating to have this type of news come out on the first day of camp.
Posted By: brownsfansince79 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/27/12 09:20 PM
So Weeden is a bust?
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/27/12 09:22 PM
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So Weeden is a bust?



Evidently.. but on the bright side, Benjamin is a genius.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/27/12 09:38 PM
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So Weeden is a bust?




I guess I must be missing something ???
Posted By: Flap Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/27/12 09:40 PM
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Joe Haden nearly had a diving interception off of Brandon Weeden on the first play of 11 on 11 drills.




I know this is WAY too early in camp, and I did not see the play so this could be completely unfair, but Mr. Haden needs to start catching those almost interceptions. I recall him dropping more then a couple would be picks last year. Especially for a 'shut down corner'.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/27/12 10:01 PM
Quote:

Quote:

So Weeden is a bust?




I guess I must be missing something ???



It was a joke based on so many of his passes being batted down and picked/almost picked... while the author was praising the defense, the poster turned it into a negative about Weeden... that's all.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/27/12 10:02 PM
Quote:

but Mr. Haden needs to start catching those almost interceptions. I recall him dropping more then a couple would be picks last year. Especially for a 'shut down corner'.





That's why he's a shutdown corner and not a slot WR...
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/27/12 10:15 PM
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

So Weeden is a bust?




I guess I must be missing something ???



It was a joke based on so many of his passes being batted down and picked/almost picked... while the author was praising the defense, the poster turned it into a negative about Weeden... that's all.




Ah, I see someones cup is half empty

I took it to be a positive for the defense

What was I thinking.
Posted By: Heldawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/27/12 10:20 PM
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

So Weeden is a bust?




I guess I must be missing something ???



It was a joke based on so many of his passes being batted down and picked/almost picked... while the author was praising the defense, the poster turned it into a negative about Weeden... that's all.




We have the second best pass defense in all the league![/purple]
Posted By: HotBYoungTurk Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 12:18 AM
Little
MoMass
Gordon
Benjamin
Cribbs
Norwood

book it..
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 12:54 AM
Quote:

Little
MoMass
Gordon
Benjamin
Cribbs
Norwood

book it..




Looks about right.
Posted By: ThatGuy Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 12:56 AM
Unless Gordon, Benjamin and Co come on strong...

MoMass may want to keep a travel bag ready...
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 01:21 AM
Quote:

Unless Gordon, Benjamin and Co come on strong...

MoMass may want to keep a travel bag ready...




I think that he is a pretty safe bet if we keep 6, where it may get a little sticky is if we only kept 5, but with Cribbs being one of the 6 I don't see us keeping only 5 total.

Some of the other younger rookies we might be able to stash on the PS.

With the addition of Gordon now ... I think that Mitchell is the vet most likely on notice. I think that if the above mentioned group are all healthy, then I agree with HotB that they will most likely be that group going into the start of this season.

Having said that I think this could be Moe's last year with the team unless he has a break out year.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 01:34 AM
Mitchell is as good as gone.

There were reports that Benjamin had to help Mitchell line up correctly, and that the coaches had to stop practice more than once because Mitchell wasn't where he was supposed to be.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 01:46 AM
Quote:

Mitchell is as good as gone.

There were reports that Benjamin had to help Mitchell line up correctly, and that the coaches had to stop practice more than once because Mitchell wasn't where he was supposed to be.




That's not a good foot to get started off on for a guy on the bubble, but then this was also the vets first day and the rookies although behind overall, things are a little more fresh in their minds.

He's dug a hole though and he already had a mountain to clime with the addition of Gordon I think.

Good to hear Benjamin is getting it though. I think that he is going to be one of those variables in the book of this season if he can play a roll for us and make some plays witch in turn will open things up for other guys. He could be a spark that gets us moving on offense.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 02:00 AM
Yeah but ...... if you are a veteran on the bubble, you can't afford to make mistakes and mental errors.

Edit: Actually, the article is earlier in this thread.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 03:48 AM
Quote:

Yeah but ...... if you are a veteran on the bubble, you can't afford to make mistakes and mental errors.

Edit: Actually, the article is earlier in this thread.




Yeah I saw that. I think that Mitchell has an uphill battle regardless of how poor his performance was to day, but it was the first day of camp for vets and I can sorta expect things to be a little sloppy.

All I can say is that after drafting Benjamin and Gordon ... This should be his wake up call.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 10:26 AM
Who cares about Mitchell?? Out with the stale bread, in with the new. In a few seasons Benji might go stale and he will then be replaced.

When you are talking about some of the last guys on the roster, the players are the same. The only thing that changes are the names.
Posted By: Dave Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 01:46 PM
ESPN-Cleveland (WKNR) is reporting Ahtyba Rubin on the PUP list and Evan Moore on the Non-Football Injury list ... WTF? Are we going with two rookie DT's? Yikes.
Posted By: FreeAgent Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 01:49 PM
I have a feeling Frosty Rucker will take one of those spots and the Rookies will rotate in. This is really bad. They better get a few guys from some cut lists. Both Rubin and Taylor possibly lost till Week 6....wow, what a bummer.
Posted By: Thebigbaddawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 02:03 PM
Quote:

ESPN-Cleveland (WKNR) is reporting Ahtyba Rubin on the PUP list and Evan Moore on the Non-Football Injury list ... WTF? Are we going with two rookie DT's? Yikes.




Just so we are clear, Rubin can be moved off the PUP list at any time.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 02:08 PM
What's Rubins problem??
Posted By: Thebigbaddawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 02:09 PM
Quote:

What's Rubins problem??




Apparently had a slight tear in his pelvis, or something in the pelvic region.

Out two weeks.
Posted By: FreeAgent Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 02:36 PM
Quote:

Quote:

ESPN-Cleveland (WKNR) is reporting Ahtyba Rubin on the PUP list and Evan Moore on the Non-Football Injury list ... WTF? Are we going with two rookie DT's? Yikes.




Just so we are clear, Rubin can be moved off the PUP list at any time.




Good to know, I was thinking that he has to sit till week six. Must be only when season starts that happens.
Posted By: NickBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 02:46 PM
j/c

im suprised we arent getting some updates on todays practice. Was hoping to hear some opinions on the rookies from some of the people here that went to watch.
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 02:54 PM
Reports I've read so far ... I'll try to find the links...

Defense is playing well today (Haden and Ward mentioned)

McCoy looks terrible ... too many dump offs and incompletions

Weeden nearly intercepted

Hardesty looking GOOD ... Quick, running hard ... GOOD SIGN

Benjamin yelled at for not getting his feet down in bounds

Hodges looks GOOD

Schwartz with the first team at RT

Fujita starting with first team

McCoy throws 4 straight terrible passes

James Dockery looking aggressive and making plays

Cameron looking improved and athletic

Hughes playing with first team at DT
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 03:14 PM
NFL network had some earlier coverage although it gets ruined by more Michael Lombardi constant bashing of everything Browns.

At the start both Weeden and Colt was taking snaps at the same time working on quick 3 steps and fire. Weeden's pass was out at least a half a second or more on every throw. It was alarming at the difference.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 03:20 PM
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Who cares about Mitchell?? Out with the stale bread, in with the new. In a few seasons Benji might go stale and he will then be replaced.

When you are talking about some of the last guys on the roster, the players are the same. The only thing that changes are the names.




LOL "stale bread" or stale bread Dough, because by stating that he's stale bread implies that he has actually been bread.
Posted By: ClayM57 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 03:34 PM
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So Weeden is a bust?






Time to start talking about April & Barkley & wasted 2012 Picks.....
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 04:41 PM
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Browns WR/KR Josh Cribbs admits he's likely in for a reduced role on offense this season. Browns beat writers have been hinting at the possibility for months. Cribbs expects to be a part of "all" special teams return and coverage units.




Link

This is great news. Cribbs should have never left the special teams coverage teams in my opinion. Focusing on being a league average receiver took away what he was best at -- special teams.

I look forward to him being the first one down the field on all coverage units and making the tackles. Hopefully this renewed focus on special teams also allows him to return to his previous form in returning kicks as well.

Another thing that this means is his days are numbered as a Brown. You can't afford to pay a special teams player $4 million. And he is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 05:11 PM
Cast of thousands watches wobbly Weeden

By Steve Doerschuk


The Browns had the good sense to keep the first full-squad practice of training camp outside, rather than go indoors to avoid possible injuries on rain-slicked grass.
Pat Shurmur says he hates practicing indoors.
He doesn’t hate it any more than fans who are turned away when practice is inside. More than 1,000 showed up for the first session, which was greeted by surly skies that spat occasional raindrops.
More than 1,000. Dan Murphy, from media relations, just popped in to say the opening-day crowd was 2,937.
“Bigger than any crowd last year,” Murphy said.
Some smart aleck said, “Maybe they should sell the team more often.”
• • •
Many things the Browns have done in the offseason reflect a sense of urgency about reaching out to fans, a growing number of whom have changed their approach from buying tickets to settling for catching the team on the tube.
I’m going to assume that part of the reason Mike Holmgren and Randy Lerner walked out in prominent view and spent more than a half hour chatting with each other between two practice field was to send a message:
“Everything’s OK.”
I’m sure the message was intended for fans and players.
• • •
Brandon Weeden had more troubles than a team betting so heavily on him would prefer to see.
During one quick 7-on-7 segment, Weeden was off target on at least three throws. Seven-on-7 completions are supposed to be easier than filling up on dollar-dog night.
A bit later, in 11-on-11s, Weeden had Ben Watson wide open deep down the right sideline. He would have needed twin rockets in his hip pads to go get a badly overthrown ball.
Moments like these are at least a part of why Mr. Shurmur hasn’t made an official announcement.
Weeden was running with the “ones” all day, even when he wasn’t throwing like a “one.”
One time, Weeden jammed a 7-yard throw in traffic to Trent Richardson coming out of the backfield. It was batted away.
Weeden avoided CB James Dockery with his next throw, but it was too wide to enable WR Jordan Norwood to stay in bounds.
Dockery gleefully waved his arms in the “incomplete” motion. Weeden finished that shaky segment with a decent sideline completion to rookie Travis Benjamin. McCoy then came on and threw the same route to Benjamin, right on the money.
• • •
Colt McCoy’s radar seemed to work better as the practice went along, but in one 7-on-7 stretch, he struggled as badly as in the Weeden segment described above.
He recovered a bit later by throwing the nicest ball I saw all day, a medium-deep throw that needed to be right on the money to elude two DBs. The ball found tight end Jordan Cameron in stride just as he hit the seam.
• • •
Oldster Scott Fujita has been bounced from the first three games, but he is practicing, and he isn’t being shy.
One time, the horn blew to signal a change in drills. Fujita caught a few young players talking their time to get to the next station.
“Get your (butt) in the huddle!” he barked.
• • •
Everybody says the same thing about rookie Josh Gordon the first time they see him gliding around at wide receiver.
“Man, he’s big.”
CB Joe Haden passed by Pat Shurmur during practice, when he played some bump and run on Gordon.
“That’s a big sucker,” Haden told the coach.
In talking to Gordon afterward, he seemed to appreciate practicing against a former No. 7 overall draft pick.
• • •
Losing Ahtyba Rubin for any length off time would be a blow to the solar plexus of the Browns’ defense.
However, our understanding is that injuries that kept Rubin and Evan Moore out of today’s practice are nothing to worry about.
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Posted By: NickBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 05:19 PM
thanks for the post. Not to suprised this being the first practice there would be some bumps. Glad to hear McCoy did more then check down.
Posted By: Brownoholic Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 06:50 PM
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What's Rubins problem??




Apparently had a slight tear in his pelvis, or something in the pelvic region.

Out two weeks.



Browns defensive tackly Ahtyba Rubin recovering from procedure to repair slight pelvis tear

Saturday, July 28, 2012, 1:41 PM
By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer

CLEVELAND -- Browns defensive tackle Ahtyba Rubin, who turned in what many consider a Pro Bowl-caliber season in 2011, is recovering from a procedure about six weeks ago to repair a slight pelvic tear, a source told the Plain Dealer.

The injury is similar to a sports hernia. It's unknown how Rubin suffered the tear.

Rubin, who finished second on the team with 83 tackles and second with five sacks, should be back within "a couple of days,'' coach Pat Shurmur said. He would not confirm the procedure.

The loss of Rubin even for a brief period is significant because the Browns are also without his tackle partner Phil Taylor, who's recovering from surgery to repair a torn pectoral muscle. Taylor expected to return sometime in late October or November.

Fortunately for the Browns, they drafted defensive tackles John Hughes in the third round and Billy Winn in the sixth round. The club has high hopes for both players. For now, Scott Paxson and Brian Schaefering have been working inside with the first team.

Rubin, Taylor and fullback Eddie Williams have all been placed on the active/physically unable to perform list, Shurmur said.

Shurmur also said that tight end Evan Moore has been placed on the active/non-football injury list with an ailment related to an offseason workou.

Some other notes from the opening day of camp this morning:

* 2,937 fans attended practice, bigger than any crowd last year.

* Receiver Carlton Mitchell and rookie defensive back Trevin Wade sat out with leg injuries.

* Rookie Mitchell Schwartz worked with the first-team offense at right tackle, and Shurmur said he expects it to continue that way.

* Brandon Weeden went first in team reps, Colt McCoy second and Seneca Wallace third. But the defense outplayed the offense today, with plenty of breakups. T.J. Ward almost picked off an underthrown deep ball from Weeden to Ben Watson.

* Trent Richardson, who came into camp in great shape, showed off his speed, power and receiving ability.

* Starting receivers were Greg Little and Mohamed Massaquoi. Rookie Josh Gordon is pacing himself because of a pulled quad muscle on his pro day July 10.

* Linebacker Scott Fujita said after practice that he's still optimistic his three-game suspension for bounty-gate will be overturned. The players have sued in federal court.

* Second-year safety Eric Hagg is still starting at free safety ahead of Usama Young.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 06:57 PM
Fat guys need rest anyway.
Posted By: Dawgpound017 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 09:57 PM
Don't need to rest when you haven't even started yet.
Posted By: Jester Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 11:05 PM
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Brandon Weeden went first in team reps, Colt McCoy second and Seneca Wallace third. But the defense outplayed the offense today, with plenty of breakups. T.J. Ward almost picked off an underthrown deep ball from Weeden to Ben Watson.






New Orleans Saints CB Patrick Robinson makes play of the day at Friday practice
07/27/12 7:46PM
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James Varney, The Times-Picayune
New Orleans Saints cornerback Patrick Robinson, the team's first round pick in the 2010 draft who established himself as a starter last season, made the play of the day at Friday's practice when he stole one from tight end Jimmy Graham.

Graham was streaking down the left sideline when quarterback Drew Brees launched one toward his 6-foot-7, 265-pound offensive teammate who has emerged as one of the most explosive tight end threats in the NFL.

Robinson, 5-11, 191, matched Graham stride for stride and got excellent inside position. As the pass arrived, both players went up for it but Robinson's flawless technique allowed him to grab it and Robinson held on as Graham tried to wrestle the ball away. It was unclear when Robinson tumbled to the ground if he would have been ruled in bounds, but the Saints players erupted with vocal approval and new secondary coach Ken Flajole said he knows which way he's leaning on the call.

"We'll have to look at the tape," Flajole said. "But I'm giving my guy the benefit of the doubt unless they tell me different."


http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/07/new_orleans_saints_cb_patrick_2.html


At least Weeden et al are in good company.
Posted By: 1oldMutt Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/28/12 11:10 PM
I think I'm going to go up Sunday morning. Never been to a camp. Anything I might need to know?
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 12:04 AM
I love the camp experience, if I wasn't taking care of mom I would be there. My favorite thing to watch when they are allowing contact is the line drills. Everyone will be at the other end watching the QBs play catch and missing the real trench battles.

one thing I always do is print out a copy of the roster so if someone is grabbing my attention, I know who it is lol. Let me know how 85 Saffold is looking.

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Shurmur press conf. transcript - 7/28

Posted 5 hours ago

Browns Head Coach Pat Shurmur Press Conference 7-28-12

(Opening statement)- “I thought that was a pretty good practice. We didn’t have the pads on but they tend to get after it once they get the helmet and the protective gear. I thought we competed well. I’m just seeing a huge difference this year from last year and I’m really excited to keep moving through this. Every day is a new day and we got a lot of good stuff done, a lot of competitive work. I saw Josh Gordon play a little faster today which was good, some of the other young players I’m sure you’ve got interest in. I saw our young defensive tackles that made some plays in there and showed some quickness because, of course, we ran the ball more in these drill which I thought was outstanding. We need to see that and they did a good job. Some of the things that I am noticing now I feel good about as we move forward.”

(On Ahtyba Rubin and Evan Moore)- “You saw that Rubin, Evan and Phil Taylor are PUP. Phil, of course, will be extended. Rubin and Evan will be back quickly. They will be back quickly. Carlton Mitchell was not out there [and Trevin Wade]. They are just leg things, they will be back out there soon.”

(On Evan Moore’s injury)- “I am going to try and stay away from talking about specific injuries, but he will be back quickly. It is just part of what he was doing training and its going to take him a couple more days.”

(On seeing Josh Gordon practice for a few days)- “He’s got great size. When receivers come to this league, what most of them don’t have to do in college is bump-and-run where the corners are up. Most of the time in college, defenses just stand there and take it. In this league, of course, they get challenged. There were a couple of situations out there where Joe Haden was bumping-and-running Gordon and Joe came back and said ‘Wow, this is a big sucker.’ And on one of the routes he did a good job of getting separation so that’s what you kind of need to see. I know he can catch the football, I know he can really run when he gets going and now in this camp, because really previous to training camp, bump-and-run was not allowed in the practices so this is where you start to see the receivers being challenged and it’s what’s important about training camp.”

(On if Gordon has any past conception of the West Coast offense)- “Yeah, Norm’s (Chow) terminology mirrors a lot of the plays. I can’t tell you exactly what will sound familiar to him. Now, that being said, I have been around Josh long enough to know that he is a really fine learner. He picks this stuff up pretty well and that’s an added bonus to his game.”

(On T.J. Ward being healthy and his importance to the defense) - “I need him to be healthy and we need him to be out there making plays. As we all know, he’s a feisty guy and that shows up in practice where you’re allowed to knock each other around a little bit. It’s very important that he’s back and healthy and it’s fun to watch him out there working.”

(On Brian Schaefering and Scott Paxson)- “Schaef and Pax, they are veteran guys. They are guys that you like to have around because they are doing everything right. They work extremely hard and I think those are two guys, if they are healthy and they play their roles, will have a chance to make plays. Right now, until we get the full unit out there, their role is expanded and I think that’s where them being veterans, it will help them.”

(On working guys with the first team to fill in for Scott Fujita)- “Quietly we’re doing that already. We know that’s going to happen. We’re going to lose Scott for the first three games, we know that so we’ve already decided on a plan. Although it may not be obvious the way we we’re rotating the linebackers in there, that’s getting done already.”

(On what D’Qwell Jackson means to the team)- “We talked about him a lot last year, of course, but he’s one of those guys when I walk through the locker room every day, for whatever reason, he must just be on my path. I tend to visit with him and he has something to say that’s got a little thought behind it regarding the team. I won’t get into any specifics, but there is a leadership quality to him that I appreciate, not to mention he is an outstanding football player. He’s really thinking about how we are going to make this team what we want it to be. I appreciate that about him.”

(On Buster Skrine and Eric Hagg developing faster than what people may have expected)- “I think you’re right. Number one, they’re going to have to develop quickly. We thought Hagg was developing last year and Buster got a chance to play. I’ve seen an improvement in both their games just through practices and here in camp so we’re encouraged by that. They are obviously guys that need to fill their roles until they become starters and then when they’re starters, they’ve got to carry their load and I think they’re working toward that.”

(On the development of Mitchell Schwartz)- “He’s coming along well and we anticipate and expect that he’s going to be our starter there so he’s getting plenty of reps there. I’ve kind of made an evaluation of him. He’s very smart, he knows what to do and now as we get into the grind of this thing and he puts the pads on, that’s the next kind of little area that we will evaluate his progress. To this point he hasn’t disappointed us.”

(On how things will shape out with Benjamin Watson and Jordan Cameron)- “Ben’s our starter. Ben’s our starting tight end. He is an outstanding pass receiver, he’s a very fine blocker in terms of setting his hands and using the right footwork and all that. He’s got a veteran component to his game much like D’Qwell and he works extremely hard. He’s out starter and then Jordan’s developing. Jordan has got to go through that little bit of pounding phase that I just talked about with Mitchell. He needs to get banged around a little bit.”

(On if Cameron put on some weight this year)- “Yeah, I think he’s really kind of reshaped his body a little bit where he’s much more muscular in my mind. He’s ready for training camp.”

(On if Cameron can earn some playing time)- “Absolutely. All those tight ends, because I like to use multiple tight ends where it fits and typically tight ends get banged around a little bit, get nicked. There is a good chance that those guys will be in the game. We put (Brad) Smelley in there a little bit at tight end a little bit and got him some reps and he showed up well. You need to use multiple tight ends much like you kind of slip a running back in there or use three receivers. That’s a key position in our offense because you have to learn to function one, on the end of the line of scrimmage, then you have to learn how to function in space and then you also have to function in kind of backfield type settings as well. A couple of the guys you talked about can do those things.”

(On if they will Smelley at tight end or fullback)- “Both. I think just like I answered this past question, I think he can do those things. He’s played in the backfield and he’s not uncomfortable there and he’s got the athletic ability to be a blocker on the line of scrimmage so again, we will need to see him do it as well.”

(On Watson’s past concussions and if there is concern about that)- “Yeah it’s in the back of my mind. Anybody that’s had multiple concussions, you just move forward and you develop a guy to play and get him his reps and if guys get injured you put the next ones in there.”

(On why he can openly and confidently say this year that the goal for the team is to win the division)- “Because I think quite frankly that is the goal for every team, every year, that’s number one. Number two, at this time when I was standing in this tent last year, at this point in the season, I was watching numbers walk by. Now as I watch a guy walk by, I know his wife. I talked to him this morning. I know what he did last year. I know how to push his buttons. I know how he responds to adversity. It’s a whole different year from that standpoint and I feel more confident about how they function together. I’ve added some coaches that I’ve worked with in the past that I trust so I feel like our operation is smoother and you know I’m kind of a positive hopeful guy.”

(On if Randy Lerner has tried reassure him at all after yesterday’s news)- “I think he was out here watching practice and we haven’t talked about really anything beyond being informed of what’s going to happen so now it’s a process. He was out here watching practice and there was really nothing more to it than that.”

(On a report that Ahtyba Rubin had surgery)- “You know what, he’s going to be back here real soon. I’d rather not comment on that. He’s going to be fine. It’ll be a couple of days. In fact the day he practices, I will text you first. I am going to wake up in the morning and I’ll text you. If you get the word to everybody I’ll appreciate it (joking).”

(On having the fans out at practice)- “I’ve always been impressed by our fans. They braved the weather. We had to back off the opening of the gates, so hopefully nobody was fighting out there, because of the weather. I was out here early this morning and was concerned we would have to go inside. I hate to go inside, I really do. The best place to practice is out here. I knew this was one of those days that if we did go inside, it would have impacted a bunch of people trying to watch their team. I really appreciate the passion that this town has for our club. That’s why I’m feeling this thing, when we get it turned it’s going to be a lot of fun.” web page
Posted By: SunDawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 01:43 AM
Wow.

They didn't even where full pads today.

Expectations of perfection on the FIRST full day of camp.

Defense ALWAYS looks better at the start of camp.

How about we wait till the preseason before we judge the new cast?

Damn, tough crowd!
Posted By: HotBYoungTurk Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 01:44 AM
everyone check out the new training camp update vid.. go to the 01:08 mark...

WHOA!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: brownsfansince79 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 02:45 AM
So Colt will be our starter?
Posted By: ThatGuy Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 02:50 AM
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everyone check out the new training camp update vid.. go to the 01:08 mark...

WHOA!!!!!!!!!




Whoa indeed...

Even in shorts, to a basically uncovered WR. Colt still delivers a ball that's slightly difficult to catch...
Posted By: Pdawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 02:52 AM
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So Colt will be our starter?




He should be. Our "Savior" has almost thrown a pick on a few plays already.
Posted By: Thebigbaddawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 03:02 AM
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So Colt will be our starter?




He should be. Our "Savior" has almost thrown a pick on a few plays already.




And McCoy was equally horrible.

Probably not a good thing that a rookie and a 3 year vet are playing at the same level...
Posted By: Pdawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 03:07 AM
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So Colt will be our starter?




He should be. Our "Savior" has almost thrown a pick on a few plays already.




And McCoy was equally horrible.

Probably not a good thing that a rookie and a 3 year vet are playing at the same level...




I wasn't being serious. It's the very beginning of camp, Things will get better. I just watched STO Browns Daily and they said they just added new plays and this was the 1st time running them, that can cause issues.

I leave the arguing on whether that matters to others.
Posted By: HotBYoungTurk Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 03:08 AM
i actually meant the play after that.. lol.
Posted By: Thebigbaddawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 03:17 AM
My bad.

Internets and Sarcasm...I can never figure it out.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 03:23 AM
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My bad.

Internets and Sarcasm...I can never figure it out.




I could have used purple.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 03:31 AM
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I just watched STO Browns Daily and they said they just added new plays and this was the 1st time running them, that can cause issues.




Yea apparently they had them running the basics in the mini camps and OTA's and now are putting in a lot of the more complicated stuff. I think that more than anything shows a real confidence in their rookies.

That one off tackle run they had behind Schwartz and Lauvao is probably a 50 yarder. Vision+burst+balance was on full display.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 03:34 AM
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everyone check out the new training camp update vid.. go to the 01:08 mark...

WHOA!!!!!!!!!




I have trouble out of those videos on site, so what made you say whoa?
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 03:58 AM
On a serious note, a couple of things that I noticed:

One thing that impresses me is watching Richardson run. He breaks out, slows down, then bursts to the opening, then slows down finds the next opening, and explodes through that one as well. His vision is amazing, and his ability to stop and start/burst to full speed is incredible.

I have also been impressed whenever I see Benjamin. His feet move so fast. He's not a strider ..... his feet just fly faster than anyone else's.

Also, Gordon's hands look freakishly huge. He also looks like a natural hands catcher.

JMJ looks HUGE. He seems to have good speed as well. Hopefully he can kick Fujita off the team.

Watson looked good going up the seam in the videos I saw. It looked like 2010 again for him.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 04:41 PM
The fastest man in Berea, and the bunnies
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By Steve Doerschuk

We enjoyed a chat for with Travis Benjamin after today’s practice.
We asked him to participate in our annual poll to identify the “fastest man in Berea.” We mentioned our vote would be for Travis Benjamin.
Benjamin’s call: “Travis Benjamin.”
It’s only bragging when you can’t back it up. Based on his former track times, chatter with scouts and live-from-Berea eyeball tests, Benjamin is indeed the fastest man in Berea ... in contention for “fastest ever.”

Last year's fastest man was Armond Smith, an undrafted running back. There was no room at the inn on this year's roster, with Trent Richardson arriving and Brandon Jackson returning.

Smith is recent proof raw speed isn't enough to pocket all those "Benjamins" the NFL has to offer.
Travis Benjamin will have a lot of proving to do, since he was just a mid-round draft pick ... and since Josh Gordon dropped out of the sky recently.

Benjamin developed his speed while growing up in Belle Glade, Fla.
He was in junior high in Belle Glade when Santonio Holes was a senior at Belle Glade High School.
Holmes wound up winning a Super Bowl for a Pennsylvania team with the kind of play Benjamin hopes to bring to Cleveland.
We recall from covering the Super Bowl that year that one of the interesting stories that came up during the week was how Holmes used to chase rabbits in Belle Glade.
We asked Benjamin about the story.
“I chased rabbits,” he said with a big grin from one of the park benches in the shade along a practice field. “A lot of us did.”
He looked out over the practice complex, a sprawl of four gridirons.
“It was on a big field like this,” he said.
He chased wild rabbits while he was in high school.
“They were really fast,” he said.
Yes, he has seen the scene in one of the Rocky movies in which the boxer’s training includes catching a chicken. Rabbits are faster than chickens.
Yes, Benjamin says. Sometimes he caught the rabbit.
It’s good for the Browns to know that the rookie is so fast that he can catch a rabbit. It’s just as good for them to see him catching the football now.
He has doing that better in training camp than he did in spring practice. If he keeps it up, he can be one of the reasons the Browns catch Santonio Holmes’ old team.
• • •
Don’t get too carried away with the report everyone will be writing:
Montario Hardesty looked like a real player in camp today.
Not that Hardesty didn’t turn a few fast corners and look like he can be a factor at running back, behind Trent Richardson.
“He looks healthy and fresh,” is the way Pat Shurmur put it. “That’s as good as I’ve seen Montario look.”
There was no live tackling. Let’s see how he looks at Detroit two Fridays from now when there is.
• • •
Brandon Weeden threw a conspicuous pick today, but everyone, including him, brushed it off.
The one that made the big camp crowd groan during an 11-on-11 was during a “third and long” segment when experimentation is encouraged. Part of the purpose is for the young QB to see what he can get away with.
After practice, Shurmur brightened when asked about Weeden’s progress. Weeden seemed fired up about the overall progress he made from Saturday’s practice to today’s.
“The passes I missed yesterday, I was nailing today,” Weeden said.
Shurmur told Weeden not to worry about the pick, but to make sure he develops a willingness to check down when the play he prefers isn’t there.
• • •
All morning long, Weeden ran the “ones.” The crowd was very responsive to him. There was an inkling Saturday of an outside chance that Weeden might crumble and put Colt McCoy back in the hunt. There was no such inkling today.
• • •
The second-fastest man in Berea, probably, is cornerback Buster Skrine. Skrine is being evaluated as an eventual replacement for aging Sheldon Brown.
Shurmur talks of Skrine’s eventual ascent into a starting role as a matter of “when.”
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We’ll keep you posted on assorted topics right here on Fresh Brownies, but we turn now to our newspaper workload.
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Posted By: candyman92 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 04:41 PM
Mints rio Hardesty had impressed me. He looks quick and decisive.
Posted By: Dawgpound017 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 04:50 PM
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Mints rio Hardesty had impressed me. He looks quick and decisive.




Translation?
Posted By: candyman92 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 05:01 PM
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Mints rio Hardesty had impressed me. He looks quick and decisive.




Translation?




Damn auto correct

Meant to say Montario.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 05:10 PM
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The second-fastest man in Berea, probably, is cornerback Buster Skrine. Skrine is being evaluated as an eventual replacement for aging Sheldon Brown.
Shurmur talks of Skrine’s eventual ascent into a starting role as a matter of “when.”




Nice. Always good to get a starting cornerback in the fifth round.

I am looking forward to watching Skrine play this year.
Posted By: Dawgpound017 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 05:17 PM
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Mints rio Hardesty had impressed me. He looks quick and decisive.




Translation?




Damn auto correct

Meant to say Montario.





Hahaha, I'm damning autocorrect a lot myself. I've had some funny ones.....I remember one time sending someone a text about some "diabetic bread."
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 08:15 PM
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My bad.

Internets and Sarcasm...I can never figure it out.




I could have used purple.




Or [sarcasm] [/sarcasm]

Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 08:23 PM
Richardson enjoys the contact

Posted 1 hour ago

By Matt Florjancic, Staff Writer

The first full pads practice of training camp was something new Browns running back Trent Richardson enjoyed on Sunday morning.

Long ago, Trent Richardson accepted the fact that getting hit came with being a running back and the No. 3 overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft embraced an opportunity to put on the full pads for the first time in training camp Sunday morning.

The Browns kicked off a stretch of eight full pads practices over the next 10 days leading up to the Family Night session at Cleveland Browns Stadium Aug. 8, and the preseason opener at the Detroit Lions Aug. 10.

“It felt good out here in pads,” Richardson said. “Everybody’s getting their sea legs back and getting back into the groove of hitting with good thuds and good contact. It felt good. I love contact and football’s a contact sport, so if you don’t love contact, you’re in the wrong sport.

“That’s when I really do what I do best. I get to bounce off guys or run guys over, break tackles. It’s different when you’re in pads. I think when I get into full pads, it’s a whole different me. That’s not to be cocky or anything, but it’s my confidence in my game and that’s what I was blessed with.”

Head coach Pat Shurmur and offensive coordinator Brad Childress elected to feature the running game on Sunday morning in front of a record crowd of 4,200 fans at the team’s Berea training facility. Although the Browns displayed a commitment to running the football on Sunday, Richardson sees the Browns as “a more balanced team.”

“I just think our offense is going in a good direction,” Richardson said. “As far as focusing on the running game, I think we’re going to be strong. We’ve got a good running back corps; we’ve got a good running back coach; we’ve got a good offensive line coach. Our offense is prepared for anything and so, I don’t think we’re just going to be a running team. I think we’re going to be a balanced team. We’ll be ready for whatever.”

Richardson ran for 3,130 yards and 35 touchdowns in his University of Alabama career.

Last year, Richardson became the Crimson Tide’s feature running back following the departure of Mark Ingram, a Heisman Trophy winner who was a first-round pick of the New Orleans Saints in April 2011. In his only year as the feature runner, Richardson gained 1,679 yards and scored 21 touchdowns, both of which were single-season school records.

Even with the success, Richardson has taken a mental approach to his football career and said there is “only pressure when you make it pressure.”

“All of it is on preparation,” Richardson said. “Every day, every minute that we’re doing the playbook stuff or every minute we’re in the weight room, every minute we’re out here doing something extra before practice or after practice, just being a person off the field that’s doing stuff for the community, everything is getting ready mentally for the game. The game’s 80 percent mental and 20 percent physical and everything I do is in preparation for the game.”

During Sunday’s practice, Richardson put that “20 percent physical” on display. After catching a screen pass from rookie quarterback Brandon Weeden, Richardson made consecutive cut-backs to get past Browns defenders.

His play drew cheers from the fans.

“I really just let my eyes do the work,” Richardson said of his cut-back ability. “I’ve been blessed with good timing. At ‘Bama, they used to make us do a lot of cut-back drills and, ‘See beyond your pads,’ as they used to tell us. Here, I just took everything I learned from there and Little League and in my whole life and just bring it to today. I just bring how I’ve been coached anywhere, even here, and put it all to my game. I just play football.”



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Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 08:23 PM
Weeden challenges self, teammates

Posted 48 minutes ago

By Matt Florjancic, Staff Writer

Browns quarterback Brandon Weeden is not afraid to test the waters by throwing in a tight window or airing out a pass down the sideline to one of his wide receivers.

During his collegiate career, new Cleveland Browns quarterback Brandon Weeden completed 767 of 1,103 attempts for 9,260 yards and 75 touchdowns against 27 interceptions. Just 2.45 percent of his career attempts resulted in interceptions.

In the Browns’ first full pads practice Sunday at the team’s Berea training facility, Weeden tested the defense during a 7-on-7 drill. Second-year safety Eric Hagg was able to intercept one of Weeden’s throws, but the first-year quarterback came back and completed passes to wide receiver Travis Benjamin and running back Trent Richardson later in the drill.

“You’ve got to pick your spots,” Weeden said of testing a defense. “For me, it’s 7-on-7. Just take your shots, take your shots down the field, try to make those throws that are difficult throws because, fortunately, there’s no one in the stands and there’s no scoreboard. You can kind of be aggressive and I’m an aggressive thrower. Coach (Pat) Shurmur told me after practice, ‘I don’t want to take anything away from your aggressiveness, but if it’s not there, check it down.’ I understand that completely.”

Shurmur said Weeden’s decision to challenge the defense was a product of the situational drills being run during practice. The team’s 7-on-7 drill was third-and-long.

“Those are challengeable throws and it’s tight,” Shurmur said. “Third-and-long is a tough down, so you saw them trying to see what they could get away with a little bit, trying to get the first. In training camp, you try to go through everything. There was one throw he tried to see what he could get with Benjamin, but he said, ‘In a game, I’d just drop that down to Trent.’ There’s learning within what you see and that happens all the time.”

That learning Shurmur spoke of is something Weeden prides himself on as a professional athlete. Weeden acknowledged spending post-practice time watching film of his mistakes and said he is up past midnight to study the plays for the following day’s work on the field.

In addition to studying his playbook or watching film on his defense, decision-making and timing are two of the things Weeden has worked on during practice.

“You’ve got to see what you did wrong and then, try not to make it again,” Weeden said. “Yesterday, I didn’t throw some balls like I normally do, but I think the throws I missed with yesterday, I was spot-on today. I corrected my mistakes by watching film and preparing at night.

“It’s getting better every day. Even the first day back here, you’re still learning it -- the speed of the game -- and you’re getting used to the guys again, but today was really good. We threw the pads on, competed and it was more like a game situation with a four-minute offense and stuff like that. It’s getting better; it’s getting a lot better.”

Shurmur noted that although Weeden is “not getting banged around” in practice, his quarterback is a quick study on making improvements.

“I can think of a handful of mistakes he made today that he’ll never do again,” Shurmur said. “He’s had a chance to practice it, so it won’t show up again. That’s what I’ve learned, if he does something and he hasn’t done it right, then, he’s in there looking at it and he’ll come out and that mistake won’t happen again.”
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Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 08:48 PM
Observations from 1st day in pads
Posted by Vic Carucci on July 29, 2012 – 6:24 pm

By Vic Carucci, Senior Editor

Here are some observations from the Browns’ first day in pads at training camp:

>>There was some typical sloppiness that comes from the first day of contact drills. The dramatic surge in practice tempo always catches rookies off-guard, and it even seemed to have a few of the veterans a little wobbly at times. You saw miscommunication between quarterbacks and receivers, some misfired throws, a fumbled snap, and the need for regrouping among offensive players and coaches here and there. A little more yelling could be heard from the coaches than was the case during the previous two days of camp. Again, very ordinary stuff for the first day of pads.

>>Brandon Weeden looked very much like a rookie quarterback at times. He made some poor decisions, one of which led to an interception. But the errors he did make were mostly out of his willingness to challenge the defense deep with his strong arm. Weeden calls himself an “aggressive thrower,” and that has been evident throughout the first few days of camp. He performed better on Sunday than he did on Saturday, largely because he is a perfectionist and took the time (staying up until past midnight Sunday) to study the corrections he needed to make.

>>The fan support was absolutely inspiring. The crowd of roughly 4,200 was the most for a single practice session since the team began tracking camp attendance in 2005. It says that people are pretty excited about the infusion of talent from the draft and supplemental draft, and anxious to see what sort of strides have been made to improve over last year. It also says that it was a great way to spend picture-perfect, sun-splashed day.

>>The emphasis Sunday was on running the ball, because that’s what contact best allows the coaches to assess. And for the most part, what the Browns did in that area was encouraging. The offensive line got its share of victories. Guards Jason Pinkston and Shawn Lauvao were particularly impressive. The Browns did bulk of their running to the left, behind Pinkston and left tackle Joe Thomas.

>>Several passing plays included five-step drops, which allows for longer routes to develop. Browns coach Pat Shurmur clearly has plenty of confidence in Weeden, his offensive line, and his receivers to take that approach in what he no doubt sees as a more attack-oriented passing game.

>>The defensive line was mostly solid inside, despite the absences of tackles Ahtyba Rubin and Phil Taylor. Rookie tackles John Hughes and Billy Winn had some turns to work next to each other, and looked good. Veterans Brian Schaefering and Scott Paxson also worked together in the middle. Make no mistake: The sooner Rubin and Taylor return, the better, but in the meantime, but the Browns do have some decent answers. Rubin is expected to return soon, although Taylor is likely to miss part of the regular season.

>>Montarrio Hardesty stole the show at running back. He showed exceptional speed and explosiveness on outside runs, and held his own between the tackles. Hardesty definitely has entered this camp wanting to make a statement that, despite Trent Richardson being selected with the third overall pick and already being named the starting running back, he is still capable of making a significant contribution.

>>Richardson caught everyone’s attention when he snagged a short pass from Brandon Weeden, made a quick cut and then tore upfield in a flash.

>>Rookie receiver Josh Gordon continued to show his exceptional physical skills by running smooth routes, catching the ball well, and utilizing all of his 6-foot-3, 225-pound frame to separate from defenders.

>>Receiver Greg Little did some work from the slot. The idea is to find a way to have him and Gordon on the field as much as possible with the other receivers as much as possible, although it seems to be a role with which he will need some time to get comfortable. web page
Posted By: Brownoholic Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/29/12 09:29 PM
Drrrooooollll. More info, more info . . .

Thanks for the updates, guys!
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 01:05 AM
Video of Brandon Weeden after practice.

I love how Shurmur talks about him making a mistake, then looking at it to see why he made that mistake, and "never making that same mistake again". I also like how Weeden talked about the depth on the team ..... and I thought ..... "He could be right". We could, all of a sudden, have depth at OL, WR, TE, and RB. If Hardesty continues as he has started, then he'll be the #2 guy. That leaves Ogbonnaya and Jackson to fight it out for #3. TE is a deep positon for us, with guys who have different kinds of abilities. WR is definitely the wild card ...... but if Gordon continues on the path he's started, and Massaquoi also stays healthy and fast like he's shown so far ..... with Little continuing to grow and develop, and then add in speedster Benjamin to the mix and we could have some nice depth.

I don't want to get too far ahead of myself in thinking that these guys are better than they might be ..... but there seem to be a lot of young, professional guys who want to be successful, and are willing to do whatever they can to make themselves successful. Many of the guys showed up in far, far better shape than a year ago .... which means that they are listening and paying attention to what they need to do if they want to be the best they can be.

I'm a little more than cautiously optimistic.

The second video is the Mary Kay Cabot report for the day.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/07/cleveland_browns_brandon_weede_1.html

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/07/mary_kay_and_branson_wright_re.html
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 03:08 AM
Training camp daily was pretty good tonight. Weeden was making some very nice throws and I liked hearing Joe haden talking about how he would go to him and ask why did you break on that ball so quickly. Good stuff in there.

McCoy being ripped for dropping back, then dropping back some more and running around before he threw it drawing boos from the crowd is great motivation for him to learn to get it out quicker. Saw RG3 do the same thing, on the skins camp show and fans were cheering. Kid is gonna get killed.

It is amazing that the guy that is really getting all the love is Gordon. I mean to see Jim Donovan looking for words to describe Gordon says it all. Heck Grossi last night lit up like a Christmas tree talking about the kid.

The screen to Richardson was very impressive but wow Hardesty looks like that back out of Tenn. we thought we were getting. Maybe he was just one of those guys that needed more time to recover from the knee but if he can get in 7 or 8 runs a game

Forgot to add, Benjamin just keeps flashing and Mo wasn't looking to shabby either.
Posted By: homer_brown Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 03:29 AM
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Forgot to add, Benjamin just keeps flashing and Mo wasn't looking to shabby either.




Good news about Mo.

I'd love to see some of these guys who looked awful become productive.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 09:39 AM
You can listen to BW and tell he isn't your normal rookie. He gets it and you can tell he is trying to exhibit the leadership necessary at the position. He's going to be a vet by game 6.
Posted By: ClayM57 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 11:37 AM
J/K

I know it's early, but it's a whole diffrent ball game when your team has some depht. Knowing it your spot to lose is alot diffrent when it's your spot to earn. This effects the result during the season also.
Posted By: clevesteve Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 03:23 PM
yeah, massaquoi has been making some nice catches in the cut-ups of TC footage I've seen. Hopefully he won't have to adjust to the ball in the air as he needed to the last two years, so his weaknesses won't show up as much.

That could be a strong instance of the QB making the WR better if ti unfolds that way.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 03:25 PM
Good point.
Posted By: candyman92 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 03:50 PM
I think Momass needs to be used as a vertical threat. He won't burn guys but he can stretch the field. He's never been a YAC guy.
Posted By: Thebigbaddawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 04:46 PM
j/c

Went to camp today, so here are my thoughts:

QB: There is an obvious difference between Weeden's arm and McCoy's arm. Weeden's ball just gets to where it needs to be on time. McCoy's ball is always a step late. It's a noticeable difference, because instead of receivers reaching back for a pass, the ball is right where it needs to be. Weeden sometimes overthrows where he needs to put the ball, but it seems like every time he does overthrow, it's near a sideline. I think Wallace is a better backup than McCoy too. McCoy is not advanced enough mentally to make up for the lack of velocity on his ball.

RB: Richardson is a tank, yet can move extremely well. His one cut and run approach is great and I cannot wait to see what it's like in full contact in a game. Hardesty is obviously much more slim and much quicker this year. He looks very good in practice. If he has the right instincts, then he'll be a GREAT #2 RB. Also, Brandon Jackson knows how to make all the moves. His cut backs are perfectly timed and catch an over pursuing defense. Obi-Wan is awful. RB is definitely the strength of this team. Also, I prefer Smelley to OM. Smelley is bigger, stronger, and more instinctive with some good hands.

WR: Gordon is an absolute monster. He bullies DB's around and makes a huge target for the WR. He'll fight for balls and literally beat up the DB while doing so. Little was very solid today as well, although he did have a couple of drops. The surprise player was Mo Mass without a doubt. He was making a lot of catches, looking like a very solid #2 guy. I think they have 3 guys who are very good and all provide some different things. I think Norwood got hurt some today, as he was hardly out there. Other Guys of note include Josh Cooper, who seems to have carved out a niche as a guy who gets open underneath the coverage, and I liked what I saw from Benjamin. Although he couldn't get open, he was making some solid, over the middle catches.

TE: Watson is still solid, Cameron has made some strides, although either guys are missing him or he's not getting open enough, and Alex Smith is one of the worst football players I have ever seen. Also of note: Dan Gronkowski was a good player today. I'd keep him over Smith, JMO.

OL: They struggled today, and I'll tell you why later. Obviously the line has a feel, and there is no pressure coming from up the middle or the left side. Mitchel Schwartz had some problems today, but for his second day in pads as a pro, I expect him to struggle against...who he was going up against. Of note: Ryan Miller is one of the biggest people I have ever seen. He played LT and he is just a road grating run blocker. Not much in pass protection. Also, this group is feisty. One minor skirmish and one bigger fight today between the OL and DL.

DL: Sheard is an animal. He was destroying Schwartz all day and I was standing right in front of the DL drills. He's fast, he's strong, he's just a well built, fast, strong, smart player. He's going to the pro bowl in a few years. Billy Winn is also memorable. That guy is all speed and quickness. He needs to work on his strength but he's showing good technique and he had a non-stop motor today. I did notice Frostee Rucker working with a lot of the younger guys today, teaching them hand placement and how to take control of their man. Rucker looked good. John Hughes is a big dude, built thick. He's got average quickness and speed but once he refines his technique, he'll be tough to break past. Benard was the first one to the next drills and was working hard, being much more vocal than I ever remember. I think he realizes that he . up last year and he's working hard to get better.

LB: Didn't notice D'Qwell or Gocong today. Fujita was out there, not much more to say. The one guy who was probably the most impressive guy in camp today was JMJ. Two picks on passing plays and he absolutely MURDERED someone on the goal line. The play happened right in front of me and I felt the ground shake when he hit Richardson. I think this guy is going to be a Day 1 starter. Acho is also a big guy that they were playing at Middle Linebacker. JMJ was outside.

DB: Haden made a couple of pass breaks, Ward knocked a guy on his ass by just tapping him with his shoulders. Didn't notice any DB getting beat deep, and I did notice how solid of coverage Hagg had on a lot of guys. The guy is a big, rangy safety that we have been looking for. He is in for a big year, I think.

Overall, this team will live and die by their QB play. Unlike last year, the QB will have a lot of weapons between Watson, Richardson, Little, and Gordon. The defense will be solid, middle of the road team, especially with Rubin and Taylor back. If we can get good, consistent QB play, I think 7-9 wins is possible. If Weeden struggles, like I do expect him to do, I think 5 wins is about what we'll see. Team is definitely on the right path, though.
Posted By: AndraDavis4MVP Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 04:52 PM
Awesome, thanks for posting.
Posted By: WSU Willie Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 04:56 PM
Willie likey!

Thanks!
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 04:59 PM
Thanks for the post. Schwartz vs. Sheard will only make both guys better. I am ready for some preseason football lol Lions front 4 vs. our OL will be a good test.
Posted By: Thebigbaddawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 04:59 PM
Not a problem at all.

I feel like if I'm going to go, I could at least fill ya'll in.

BTW, in case you are wondering, I felt like every guy we drafted from years present and past were easily the most impactful players on the field. I ironic enough, I think JMJ was the best player on defense, although Sheard was giving him a serious run. I need to see JMJ in the first team.

On offense, Richardson and Gordon were clearly the two most talented, no doubt in my mind.
Posted By: DIEHARD Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 05:00 PM
Nice report!
Mostly, I love hearing about the rookies. We need new blood around here.
Posted By: KingSteve Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 05:01 PM
thats true.

I just hope that Suh doesnt try to rip Weeden's head off
Posted By: Thebigbaddawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 05:03 PM
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Thanks for the post. Schwartz vs. Sheard will only make both guys better. I am ready for some preseason football lol Lions front 4 vs. our OL will be a good test.




I felt legitimately bad for Schwartz. He was getting destroyed by Sheard, who was just exploding off the line and using a variety of moves to beat him. First, Sheard would blow by him, then Schwartz would try to counter by moving quicker to the outside, and Sheard would swim inside. The poor guy was kept off balance the whole day and could not figure out Sheard.

Hard for a rookie tackle to predict what Sheard was going to do. Which I think is a good thing.
Posted By: HotBYoungTurk Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 05:09 PM
thx for posting..

JMJ is going to be that dude!! It's just something about him. I think he will start from day 1.
Posted By: NickBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 05:10 PM
Thanks for posting. Its exciting to read a fans perpective on things going on in camp and the things they see.
Posted By: NYCDawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 05:12 PM
Great post. Thank you much.
Posted By: Jester Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 05:46 PM
Yeah, excellent post. Thanks.
Posted By: jeepnstein Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 06:06 PM
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Thanks for the post. Schwartz vs. Sheard will only make both guys better. I am ready for some preseason football lol Lions front 4 vs. our OL will be a good test.




I felt legitimately bad for Schwartz. He was getting destroyed by Sheard, who was just exploding off the line and using a variety of moves to beat him. First, Sheard would blow by him, then Schwartz would try to counter by moving quicker to the outside, and Sheard would swim inside. The poor guy was kept off balance the whole day and could not figure out Sheard.

Hard for a rookie tackle to predict what Sheard was going to do. Which I think is a good thing.




It's not like Schwartz is a wide-bodied moron. He's been billed as a pretty smart guy and I'll bet before camp is out he'll have a whole new skill set. Camp is where rookies are supposed to be abused. Better there than in the regular season.
Posted By: clevesteve Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 06:47 PM
thanks tbbd. wish some of the "journalists" would get a clue and bring reports like this back from camp for the rest of us.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 07:00 PM
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Thanks for the post. Schwartz vs. Sheard will only make both guys better. I am ready for some preseason football lol Lions front 4 vs. our OL will be a good test.




I felt legitimately bad for Schwartz. He was getting destroyed by Sheard, who was just exploding off the line and using a variety of moves to beat him. First, Sheard would blow by him, then Schwartz would try to counter by moving quicker to the outside, and Sheard would swim inside. The poor guy was kept off balance the whole day and could not figure out Sheard.

Hard for a rookie tackle to predict what Sheard was going to do. Which I think is a good thing.




I hope this is one area where Thomas can take Schwartz under his wing since it's something Thomas blocks against exceptionally well.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 07:13 PM
Thanks for the report.

My pre-season prediction for Sheard this coming year is 13+ sacks. I think that he'll be a great learning tool for Schwartz as he develops.

My feelings about Weeds are well known, so I'm glad to read how much further along as a pure passer than last year's starter was.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 07:39 PM
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Thanks for the post. Schwartz vs. Sheard will only make both guys better. I am ready for some preseason football lol Lions front 4 vs. our OL will be a good test.




I felt legitimately bad for Schwartz. He was getting destroyed by Sheard, who was just exploding off the line and using a variety of moves to beat him. First, Sheard would blow by him, then Schwartz would try to counter by moving quicker to the outside, and Sheard would swim inside. The poor guy was kept off balance the whole day and could not figure out Sheard.

Hard for a rookie tackle to predict what Sheard was going to do. Which I think is a good thing.




If you go to camp on the last day and you can say the same things about Schwartz, I'll be worried, but I expect a guy that's played a year to school a rook.., so not worried yet.
Posted By: GoHooterGo Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 07:53 PM
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Thanks for the post. Schwartz vs. Sheard will only make both guys better. I am ready for some preseason football lol Lions front 4 vs. our OL will be a good test.




I felt legitimately bad for Schwartz. He was getting destroyed by Sheard, who was just exploding off the line and using a variety of moves to beat him. First, Sheard would blow by him, then Schwartz would try to counter by moving quicker to the outside, and Sheard would swim inside. The poor guy was kept off balance the whole day and could not figure out Sheard.

Hard for a rookie tackle to predict what Sheard was going to do. Which I think is a good thing.




If you go to camp on the last day and you can say the same things about Schwartz, I'll be worried, but I expect a guy that's played a year to school a rook.., so not worried yet.




What did Sheard think when he had to face Joe Thomas during camp? Talk about shutting him down, lol.

It appears that people are noticing the same thing (all on offense), the QB looks pretty good, we have a stud running back, and a new toy at WR in Gordon that seems to be impressing everyone.

At this point as a Browns fan, we'd all be skeptical of the new toys on offense, especially since we invested high picks for them.
Posted By: brownsfansince79 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 08:05 PM
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Thanks for the report.

My pre-season prediction for Sheard this coming year is 13+ sacks. I think that he'll be a great learning tool for Schwartz as he develops.

My feelings about Weeds are well known, so I'm glad to read how much further along as a pure passer than last year's starter was.




And, just like Schwartz is benefiting by going up against Sheard, Weeden is benefiting by going up against a guy like Haden.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 08:30 PM
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Thanks for the report.

My pre-season prediction for Sheard this coming year is 13+ sacks. I think that he'll be a great learning tool for Schwartz as he develops.

My feelings about Weeds are well known, so I'm glad to read how much further along as a pure passer than last year's starter was.




And, just like Schwartz is benefiting by going up against Sheard, Weeden is benefiting by going up against a guy like Haden.





or, what we're seeing is what we're gonna get and we'll all be cussing at them by the end of Game 4
Posted By: waterdawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 08:39 PM
Outstanding notes : Thanks a million !
Posted By: Flap Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 08:59 PM
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Thanks for the report.

My pre-season prediction for Sheard this coming year is 13+ sacks. I think that he'll be a great learning tool for Schwartz as he develops.

My feelings about Weeds are well known, so I'm glad to read how much further along as a pure passer than last year's starter was.




And, just like Schwartz is benefiting by going up against Sheard, Weeden is benefiting by going up against a guy like Haden.





or, what we're seeing is what we're gonna get and we'll all be cussing at them by the end of Game 4




If that's the case, you're being pretty optimistic if you think it's going to take until the end of game 4.
Posted By: Brownoholic Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 09:14 PM
Browns' Montario Hardesty finally healthy

By Nate Ulrich
Beacon Journal sports writer

July 30, 2012 - 10:53 AM

BEREA: Montario Hardesty darted through gaps, changed direction with ease and broke off a few long runs Sunday morning during the Browns’ first training camp practice in full pads.

He’s finally healthy, and it shows.

“This is the best I’ve felt since I’ve been here,” Hardesty said. “This might be the best I’ve ever felt. I just want to make sure I continue to keep it like that and just continue to come out here and show up every day, and once we hit the games, show up every day. I feel like I’ve really got a lot to prove. I’ve got a chip my shoulder, and I’ve just got to go out and play every day.”

Hardesty has been plagued by misfortune since the Browns traded up to draft him in the second round (59th overall) two years ago. He suffered a torn ACL in his left knee during his first preseason game in the NFL and missed his entire rookie season. Then last year, he tore a muscle in his right calf in Week 8 and did not play in six games as he dealt with the injury.

At the end of last season, Hardesty embarked on a mission to do everything in his power to reverse the trend.

“I looked in the mirror and said, ‘What do I need to do different?’ ” Hardesty said. … “Last year was one of my worst years I have ever had playing football, just as far as how I felt, where my mindset was at and how my body felt. That was a learning year for me.”

He spent the offseason in Boca Raton, Fla., working out with about a dozen other NFL players, including Kansas City Chiefs safety and former University of Tennessee teammate Eric Berry, under the guidance of renowned trainer Tony Villani. The beaches of South Florida became their gyms. Hardesty often ran in sand twice a day to strengthen his legs.

“I was able to really go back to pushing myself,” Hardesty said. “Last year in the offseason, I couldn’t do any of that stuff. I really got back up to really being able to push my body and come back here in shape, getting ready to play football, not focused on being injured. I didn’t like how I played last year, and I didn’t like how my body felt. I just wanted to rev up what I was doing and come out ready to go.”

Hardesty also sought the advice of a nutritionist. He lost 10 pounds and now weighs about 215.

Quick on his feet

On Sunday, he displayed quickness some thought he might never regain.

“The first year you come back from an ACL, a lot of times you don’t have the explosion that you had before,” said Browns tight end Benjamin Watson, who suffered a torn ACL in 2004 as a rookie with the New England Patriots. “After about a year, it starts to come back. I think he’s getting back to his form. He’s getting comfortable. It seems like he’s trusting his knee a lot more.

“A lot of it is mental. When he tore it his rookie year, I went right to him and I said, ‘I know exactly how you feel.’ It’s the worst thing in the world to get an injury like that when you have such high hopes of coming in and contributing your rookie year. To have to wait and sit out the whole year is very tough. A lot of it is trusting the knee, trusting that you can do the things that you did before, but a lot of it is physical. Everybody’s surgery is different. Everybody responds differently to the reconstruction.”

Noticeable difference

Browns coach Pat Shurmur has noticed a difference in Hardesty, too.

“He looks healthy and fresh right now, so I think that’s helping him flash,” Shurmur said. “That’s as quick as I’ve seen him. That was as good as I’ve seen Montario look.”

Hardesty is in a battle to become the primary backup to rookie running back Trent Richardson, the No. 3 overall pick in this year’s draft.

Brandon Jackson and Chris Obgonnaya are his main competition, and it seems unlikely the Browns will keep four running backs on their roster.

Hardesty is determined to earn a significant role.

“I want to play and help this team win,” he said. “I know we drafted Trent, and Trent is a good player. I played against him in college. I watched him play in college. But at the same time, I’m ready to come out here and compete and play because that’s my mindset. I want to make sure I do everything I can to put my best foot forward and once it gets to Sundays and we have games, I’ll be out there helping my team win.”
Posted By: no_logo_required Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 09:30 PM
so hard to know if his long runs are good news about him, bad news about our run defense, or just random events of training camp. so, i'm not going to try to figure it out
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 09:56 PM
Cleveland Browns
Browns training camp: news, notes and observations from practice
By Nate Ulrich Published: July 30, 2012

browns rookie camp 41 The Browns held their fourth full-squad practice of training camp this morning. Here are some highlights:

Demanding attention

Rookie linebacker James-Michael Johnson strengthened his case to earn a starting job at the beginning of the season.

Starting strongside linebacker Scott Fujita is suspended for the first three games for his alleged role in the New Orleans Saints’ bounty scandal, and the Browns will need to find a replacement if Fujita loses his battle with the league in federal court.

“I’m not really worried about that," said Johnson, who has been practicing at both outside linebacker spots. "I’m just trying to come out here and play wherever they need me to play. If they need me to [be] the water boy, I’ll get the water. If they need me to strap up helmets, I’ll do that, too. So I’m just out here trying to play.”

Johnson, a fourth-round pick in this year’s draft, had two interceptions today in 11-on-11 drills. He also worked with the first-team defense when it switched to its goal-line personnel.

Kaluka Maiava started at weakside linebacker and Chris Gocong moved from that spot and filled in on the strong side last season when Fujita missed six games with injuries. At the end of minicamp in June, defensive coordinator Dick Jauron said he was prepared to re-insert Maiava into the starting lineup, provided Fujita’s suspension is upheld, but Johnson might be able to change Jauron’s mind if he continues to flash.

“He an interception, a couple actually,” Browns coach Pat Shurmur said of Johnson. “He looked good on goal line. The linebackers are a crew, much like the O-line and D-line, where you might say before you put the pads on that there’s all these guys that are kind of bunched up. And I think the pads then tend to separate the linebackers and what we think. And he’s had a couple good days. He really has.”

Johnson picked off a pass from quarterback Thaddeus Lewis in the first 11-on-11 session of practice. He later ended the third-team offense’s two-minute drill when he dropped back and intercepted quarterback Seneca Wallace’s pass over the middle on fourth down.

The 6-foot-1, 240-pound Johnson said he considers his coverage skills one of his strengths.

“I feel like I’m a pretty good athlete,” Johnson said. “I was just doing my job on that play [during the two-minute drill]. My job was to get back and watch the quarterback’s eyes. I think the ball got tipped, and it just bounced right to me.

“I’ve never had problems in space moving around and feeling my body against other people. I have a good sense of space, so I feel like that’s one of my stronger points.”

Another golden opportunity

Wide receiver Josh Gordon, whom the Browns picked in the second round of the NFL’s supplemental draft July 12, worked with the first-team offense when it used three-receiver sets. Gordon and Mohamed Massaquoi lined up on the outside, and Greg Little moved to the slot.

“I think that’s one way for us to get three of what we consider our better receivers on the field,” Shurmur said. “We do use a lot of wide receiver sets, and today because we were working in two minute, it probably showed up that way quite a bit, probably more than maybe some other practice.”

In other words, Gordon is on track to become a significant contributor and maybe even a starter sooner than some thought.

The 6-3, 225-pound Gordon is often targeted during practice, so he’s already had plenty of opportunities to showcase his talent in camp. He has flashed, though Shurmur said he must continue to improve to become the type of playmaker the Browns believe he can be.

“I don’t know if it’s conscious or subconscious, but a really big guy that can really catch it, things tend to find you,” Shurmur said. “But I think he’s got a long way to go in terms of learning it and playing receiver at this level. He’s made great progress to this point, but he’s got a long way to go. But he’s eager and he’s smart. He’s really very football smart, and I think that shows.”

Competition at corner

Cornerback Sheldon Brown is penciled in as a starter, but Shurmur said Buster Skrine and Dimitri Patterson could push for more playing time. Last season, Skrine played in dime packages as a rookie, and Patterson served as the team’s nickel corner.

“Sheldon’s starting right now, but I really like some of the development that I’ve seen,” Shurmur said. “I’ve talked about it. Buster is a gritty, gritty guy. Dimitri Patterson challenges, my goodness, and you could see those guys playing outside for sure.”

Brown, who’s on the verge of entering his 11th NFL season, doesn’t plan on giving any ground without a fight.

“I’m headed into this season like I’ve headed into every season,” Brown said. “I don’t know where my career got skewed to some people. I think they kinda think I just showed up and they gave me my job for 11 years. I don’t understand where that came from, so I approach every year the same. I guess they’re just going to give my job to me again or give it away or however the media wants to see that. Naw, I come to work and I let them make the business decisions. That’s how I approach the season.”

Highlights

With short-yardage, goal-line and two-minute situations at the forefront, today’s practice the most lively since camp began last week.

In goal line, the defense repeatedly stopped the offense’s ground attack. Fifth-string running back Adonis Thomas scored the lone rushing touchdown during the goal-line sessions.

The tight ends, though, had more success. Quarterback Colt McCoy connected with tight end Jordan Cameron, who flashed throughout the day, for a touchdown in the back corner of the end zone on a play-action pass. Quarterback Brandon Weeden, who continued to take the majority of the first-team reps, rolled to his right and hit tight end Benjamin Watson in the end zone with a touchdown pass.

Weeden and the first-team offense went four-and-out in the two-minute drill. McCoy and the second unit marched down the field, setting up Phil Dawson’s successful 36-yard field. The third-team offense’s drill ended with Johnson picking off Wallace.

Weeden and the first unit got another shot at the end of practice. Defensive linemen Brian Schaefering and Jabaal Sheard batted down consecutive passes, and Weeden’s third-down attempt fell incomplete. On fourth down, Weeden dumped the ball off to running back Trent Richardson, and the coaches generously granted him a first down to keep the drill alive. Weeden then completed two passes to Gordon and another to Massaquoi to set up Dawson’s successful 34-yard field goal.

Off day

The Browns don’t have practice on Tuesday, but Shurmur still expects his players to be productive during the down time.

“I expect that it’s an off day but it’s not a vacation day,” Shurmur said. “Although by rules we can’t structure anything other than treatments if they’re injured, I would anticipate that they’re gonna take care of their bodies and use it in a way that they’ll prepare themselves for practice, of course, on Wednesdays. Typically you see a lot of guys around the building on off days like I saw last year, and I would anticipate that they come in and watch extra film and there’ll be guys that try to get off their feet and do the treatment and the things you need to do with your body physically to get ready to practice the next day.”

Scrappy campers

Rookie fullback Brad Smelley and linebacker Craig Robertson briefly exchanged punches during a goal-line drill. Perhaps they were fighting for sole possession of jersey No. 47, which they both wear. In a two-minute drill, defensive end Emmanuel Stephens threw a punch at left guard Jason Pinkston, who didn’t have much time to respond because Shurmur ordered him to hustle to the line of scrimmage for the next play.

Injuries

Defensive tackles Ahtyba Rubin (pelvis) and Phil Taylor (pectoral muscle), fullback Eddie Williams, tight end Evan Moore and wide receiver Carlton Mitchell (leg) continued to sit out.
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Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 09:58 PM
Cleveland Browns
Transcript from news conference with Browns coach Pat Shurmur
By Nate Ulrich Published: July 30, 2012

Browns coach Pat Shurmur met with reporters today after practice. Here is a transcript from the news conference:

(Opening Statement)- “It was another good day I think. We did a lot of situational football. You saw this was the first time we did short yardage. We did goal-line and of course we ended the day with two minute. I really enjoy practicing two minute, I think it’s good for our football team. You saw there we had some winning and losing because there was good competition. The ones came out on offense and our one defense stopped them, but then they came back and the end and then got it down. The objective this time was to kick a field goal. The one-O won once and the one-D won once, and then there was good competition with the twos and threes.

Inside of that drill, I think what’s good is there’s a lot of organization and the mechanics of it are important. There’s also a lot of good conditioning in that drill because it can be tiring for those receivers running route after route at the line of scrimmage so we got a lot done there. There are plenty of mistakes in there and things that we need to clean up, and that’s why you do this stuff. It was a good practice, very competitive. You always keep your fingers crossed when you’re practicing short yardage and goal-line because all the legs are piled up and I think for the most part we were in good shape.

Now, we’ll move on to the next phase. We’ll do a little red zone the next time we practice. We’ll just keep going through the situations and building of course on the first and second down.”

(On if they are making strides to catch the ball)- “I think they are making strides catching the football. As the head coach, I’ve talked about how important it is to catch the football. Anyone you talk to will also say that. I think it’s very important and I think we are making strides.”

(On his expectations for the team with an off day tomorrow)- “It’s an off day, but it’s not a vacation day. Although, by rules, we can’t structure anything other than treatments if they’re injured, I would anticipate that they are going to take care of their bodies, and use it in a way where they’ll prepare themselves for practice on Wednesday. Typically, you see a lot of guys around the building on off days, like I saw last year.

I would anticipate that there will be some guys that come in and watch extra film. There will be guys that try to get off their feet and do the treatment and the things you need to do to your body physically to get ready to practice the next day.”

(On if he has any rules about what the players do on their off day)- “They’re off. We really went through this process last year with the off day. But it’s a little bit uncharted as training camps go prior to last season. I’ve talked about our guys being very professional and I anticipate that they’ll use their time wisely.”

(On having afternoon practices after off days this year)- “The reason for that is we will install this evening the information and the plays and the situations that we are going to do Wednesday. What we’ll do is, you have the practice in the afternoon so that we can use the morning to review and walk-through before you do it. We’ll see how it works, but I think it’s a good way to get them back in tune mentally after they’ve been off a little bit.”

(On the structure of afternoon practices)- “Two o’clock practice will feel just like this morning practice felt, it’s just flipped. In other words, we’ll do the walk-through and meeting in the morning and practice in the afternoon. Just like today, we practiced in the morning and then we meet and walk-through in the afternoon.”

(On if practice is different for him with Nolan Cromwell and Brad Childress on staff this year)- “Actually, practice isn’t much different. Last year, Mark Whipple gave the quarterbacks the plays, and I stood back and watched. With Brad (Childress) doing it, I’ve got a lot of years with Brad and I am able because for a lot of reasons - I know the team better, we’re more defined on what we’re doing offensively - I can sit back and kind of cherry pick a little bit better than I did a year ago.”

(On where Nolan Cromwell and Brad Childress come into play)- “I think they are two fine coaches, and I can really focus on other things at different times of the day, including practice, knowing that’s going to get done right.”

(On how Frostee Rucker will help the team)- “I think Frostee can pass rush, but I also think he’s thick enough to play the run. We feel like Frostee and Juqua (Parker) as veteran defensive ends will help man that right end spot. If there are situations where Jabaal (Sheard) needs a blow, of course they can fill in for him as well, not to mention all the other guys.”

(On Rucker being a load out there)- “I think he’s put on a little bit of weight, based on what I saw in the spring. It’s good weight. He’s moving around well. We liked him last year when we played against him, and that’s why we brought him here. We feel like he can play on all three downs.”

(On how did James-Michael Johnson did at practice today)- “He had an interception, a couple actually. He looked good on the goal-line. The linebackers are a crew much like the o-line and d-line, where you might say before you put the pads on that there are all these guys that are kind of bunched up. I think the pads then tend to separate the linebackers and what we think. He’s had a couple of good days, he really has.”

(On Montario Hardesty and Mohamed Massaquoi being in a similar situations this camp)- “The situation starting with last year when they both came into camp limping and limited and then they had to try to work their way into the lineup starting the preseason hurt. I think we’ll all agree that they both came into camp in shape and healthy and they were able to improve their game instead of getting themselves healthy and I think that’s important because there is a lot of learning, there’s a lot of things going on now that you can’t do during the season and you can’t do in the preseason because it’s a game you play with pads on.”

(On his eagerness to see Travis Benjamin’s speed out on the field)- “I’m very eager of course. I think he has really established himself. When you look at him you say, ‘Well okay, how is he going to be in traffic?” but he’s distinguished himself these last couple days catching the ball in traffic. There were a couple of pivots, in routes, where he’s working back to the ball where the corner was hanging on his back and he reached out in a physical way and caught the football with his hands. Some things that you need to see so I hope his development continues.”

(On the ball finding Josh Gordon and if he is more advanced than anticipated)- “I don’t know if it’s conscious or subconscious, but when you’re a really big guy that can really catch it, things tend to find you. I think he’s got a long way to go in terms of learning it and playing receiver at this level. He’s made great progress to this point, but he’s got a long way to go, but he’s eager and he’s smart. He’s really football smart and I think that shows.”

(On what Mitchell Schwartz gains from facing Jabaal Sheard and how has he been so far in camp)- “I think he’s very smart, he’s very good with his technique and of course the better the player you go against in practice, the quicker you’ll develop. Those matchups there were good. A couple of times in there today we had guys wide open and then really Mitchell did a nice job of stopping the pass rush and then Jabaal just reached up and batted the ball. He competes very well and I think he’ll benefit from playing against Jabaal for sure.”

(On is Schwartz is more ready than Gordon because he played all four years of college and Gordon missed all of last year)- “I don’t know. It’s hard to say how much further or less he has because we really haven’t put him in a game yet. He (Schwartz) came in a guy that fundamentally was pretty right and offensive linemen who know how to use their feet and hands of course can play and perform well. We’ll see.”

(On the hardest position to transfer from college to the NFL)- “We’ve talked frequently about positions that are easier or harder to play. I think they’re all hard to play personally because there are certain things you have to learn as you go through the process of the preparation. What’s hard about being an offensive tackle is who you play against. Typically they’re very dynamic pass rusher type guys. I think we all know how important pass protection is.”

(On if they would have done the situational drills they did today at the same time last year due to the lockout)- “We tried to do the drills at the same point in camp, but we didn’t do them with near the efficiency we did this year. My smile is not obvious, but I felt better about this one then I did last year.”

(On if there is a competition at cornerback)- “Sheldon is starting right now, but I really like some of the development that I’ve seen. I’ve talked about it. Buster (Skrine) is gritty, gritty guy. Dimitri Patterson challenges, my goodness and you could see those guys playing outside for sure and then Trevin Wade. I think he’s got a feel for playing the game at corner. Not to mention, lest I forget, Joe (Haden).”

(On Joe Haden saying he had an amazing season last year except for four plays)- “I think we all need to play better. I think it’s safe to assume that what we did as a team last year wasn’t good enough so he needs to be super amazing this year (joking).”

(On using Josh Gordon and Mohamed Massaquoi outside and Greg Little in the slot)- “I think that’s one way for us to get three of what we consider our better receivers on the field. We do use a lot of three wide receiver sets and today, because we were working two minute, it probably showed up that way quite a bit. Probably more than some other practice, but no, that’s a good lineup.”

(On what Jordan Cameron has improved on)- “I think just playing the game and I don’t want to sounds cliché, but you have to practice it and play it to improve at it. He was guy that didn’t play a lot of football in college, but showed us the skill and ability to be a good receiver. Now, when you line up at the end of the line of scrimmage, you have got to get used to controlling your body in blocking situations, you have to learn how to release when somebody’s basically tackling you, those types of things. Getting a feel for playing the game and I think once he gets that going I think his development will go like this.”
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Posted By: Damanshot Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 10:21 PM
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What did Sheard think when he had to face Joe Thomas during camp? Talk about shutting him down, lol.




LOL,, Oh yeah, I remember that. we got reports that Sheard was a dud but that was JT schooling him..

he went to the other side and cleaned up.. Went from Dud to stud..
Posted By: Ammo Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 11:03 PM
I went to camp today and have a few notes:

Neither QB impressed me today. Weeden looked like a rookie trying to figure things out, but at least he was willing to try. There were several plays in 7 on 7 where Weeden kept looking downfield and the 4 second clock ran out before he hit the check down.

That said, you can see Weeden's talent and how he already shines above and beyond Colt. Colt was Colt today. Stuck to the safe throws. Didn't really try downfield. Travis Benjamin had a scrub DB beat by one or two steps on a go route and Colt didn't even look his way.

Biggest surprise? Hardesty. Dude showed a burst of speed to the outside on several plays.

Most exciting player? Richardson. It's almost unhuman how he stops and goes almost instantly. He's compact so he's hard to find in the line of scrimmage too (good thing).

Weeden took almost all the reps with the starters, for those keeping track at home.

Cribbs looks like he has his speed back, but I didn't see him in any offensive snaps.

I mainly focused on offense so I didn't get much of a look at defense, but without question Sheard was schooling Schwartz today.

One thing that stood out to me as a general comment: athleticism is up a few notches on this team. Several players have wheels and it was very noticeable compared to years past.
Posted By: NickBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 11:36 PM
Thanks Ammo I may have to go down there Wed put an eyeball test on these guys. :-)
Posted By: Rishuz Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 11:39 PM
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I mainly focused on offense so I didn't get much of a look at defense, but without question Sheard was schooling Schwartz today.




This is only going to make Schwartz better. The lack of talent on this team has been killing us in training camp and practice for so long. It's like these guys were playing against college players during the week and pros on Sunday. CBs probably didn't know what hit them on Sunday after practicing against the guys we've had.

Now we have Sheard vs. Thomas. Sheard vs. Schwartz. Haden vs. Gordon. Haden vs. Benjamin. Mack vs. Taylor/Rubin. Richardson vs. Entire D. DBs vs. Weeden (someone who will test them during the week so they are prepared for Sundays).

This is a great thing folks. A great thing.

Too bad it will all be going away next year.

On a slightly more positive note, the Crypt Keeper actually had nice things to say about us. How many times have the national types come through and blasted us? How many times have they said we are slow and unimaginative? This is a refreshing departure from that.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp12/st...-training-camps

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BEREA, Ohio -- The Cleveland Browns and Buffalo Bills sit on different sides of Lake Erie. For a change, their fortunes are vastly different.

An easy schedule and a couple key offseason additions give Bills fans hope of possibly the first playoff season in more than a decade. In Cleveland, an unexpected ownership change could redirect what looked to be a positive turnaround of the franchise.

This is football country. Fans are loyal but frustrated. Bills fans have been sticking by their franchise, waiting for something to revive the memories of when Jim Kelly, Bruce Smith and other Bills gave them annual hopes of Super Bowls. The signing of the best free agent available in 2012, Mario Williams, shocked the league and jacked up the fans.

Browns fans still haven't recovered from Art Modell's move of the Browns to Baltimore. On Friday, news leaked that owner Randy Lerner was in negotiations to sell a majority share of the team to Steelers minority owner Jim Haslam, a move that could lead to a major overhaul of a front office that turned the roster young.

While the sun might be shining on the Bills' side of the lake, clouds and questions are lining up on the Browns' side.

Here are three observations from the Browns' training camp:

1. Going green on offense: Thanks in part to last year's Julio Jones draft-day trade, the Browns are making a bold youth movement on offense. Greg Little, Josh Gordon, Travis Benjamin, Trent Richardson and quarterback Brandon Weeden form one of the boldest renovations on offense this league has seen in years. I like the long-term prospects. Former coach Eric Mangini cleaned out what were perceived to be problems in the locker room but left the offense lacking athleticism and speed. The young Browns offense looks potentially explosive and exciting, even though it may take a year or two to become efficient. The most encouraging sign is how second-year coach Pat Shurmur is setting up the passing offense. As offensive coordinator of the St. Louis Rams in 2010, Shurmur had to set up mostly a three-step drop offense for then-rookie quarterback Sam Bradford. At that time, the Rams were going through receivers like a stadium goes through hot dogs. Even though the Browns' receiving corps is young, Shurmur is working in more five-step drops for Weeden, a sign of confidence in the blocking and the talent at wide receiver. Supplemental draft choice Gordon is raw, but he has the look of a future No. 1 receiver. Little, a second-round pick last year, is a good target, although he's trying to adjust to some work out of the slot. Benjamin is fast. It's a promising group.

2. The Browns believe Weeden is the real deal: Drafted at 28 years old, Weeden was one of the most discussed selections in the 2012 draft. He displays a strong arm and shows a good grasp of Shurmur's system. If the new ownership gives Weeden the chance to grow in Shurmur's offense, Weeden may be the quarterback this franchise has been seeking since it came back as an expansion team in 1999. Unfortunately, ownership changes lead to coaching changes, so Shurmur is on the hot seat in his second season. Weeden isn't, though. He's bigger and stronger than Colt McCoy, so it will be only a matter of a week or two before he wins the starting job. Baseball delayed Weeden's entry into football. He may not be a home run for the Browns, but he's at least double in first impressions.

3. The Browns will be dangerous running left: Richardson was the prize running back in this draft. Seeing him run behind left tackle Joe Thomas and left guard Jason Pinkston is a treat. Thomas is arguably the best left tackle in football, and Pinkston is developing as a guard. Richardson can run well to either side, but each carry to his left offers potential excitement. The Jones trade with Atlanta gave the Browns the draft choice they used on rookie right tackle Mitchell Schwartz. Schwartz is expected to start but like most rookies will take some time to set the proper lane for Richardson.


Posted By: ThatGuy Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/30/12 11:50 PM
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Too bad it will all be going away next year.




Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/31/12 12:44 AM
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3. The Browns will be dangerous running left: Richardson was the prize running back in this draft. Seeing him run behind left tackle Joe Thomas and left guard Jason Pinkston is a treat. Thomas is arguably the best left tackle in football, and Pinkston is developing as a guard. Richardson can run well to either side, but each carry to his left offers potential excitement. The Jones trade with Atlanta gave the Browns the draft choice they used on rookie right tackle Mitchell Schwartz. Schwartz is expected to start but like most rookies will take some time to set the proper lane for Richardson.




Most teams have gone finesse on the left side as they are looking for elite pass protectors. Most defenses are lacking in run defense as they have loaded up with elite pass rushers coming from the blind side. When you can run to either side or up the middle, you are at a huge advantage.

The right side will be our power side but it sure is nice to be able to run left as well.

I hate to tell ESPN but we selected Weeden with Atlanta's pick not Schwartz.

On Little in the slot. This is where we wanted him last year but with Robo sucking and Pashos needing constant help, we really didnt have the luxury of having him in the slot to often. I think we will see less TE staying in blocking, less fullback reps and more multiple receiver sets with Evan Moore out running routes.

I am pumped to see just how these guys look. To bad NFL network isn't showing the Browns lions game until sunday at 2AM.
Posted By: candyman92 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/31/12 08:14 AM
Can someone at the camps do me a huge favor and watch Adonis Thomas when they get the chance? I really like the kid.
Posted By: DjangoBrown Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/31/12 08:36 AM
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Can someone at the camps do me a huge favor and watch Adonis Thomas when they get the chance? I really like the kid.




Take a backseat...I'm driving his bandwagon already

But he won't make the 53 no matter what (only through injury ), we should be able to hide him on the PS since amazingly no NFL team offered him an UDFA contract
Posted By: candyman92 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/31/12 08:38 AM
Pffft no way. I loved the kid at Toledo, even if he ripped OSU to shreads
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 07/31/12 11:13 AM
He is a interesting prospect. It's just hard for a guy like that to get any real reps to show much, and when he does, they better go well.

Unless he does something on the special teams end to stand out, the Practice Squad is probably his best hope. which isn't a bad gig. You get paid good money...like $6000 a week for the 16 games and you still have your foot in the door. Unless they go nuts, that is enough money to sustain the rest of the year to allow 100% focus on making next years team.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/01/12 08:19 PM
Lerner looking skinny, McCoy looking good
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By Steve Doerschuk

Mike Holmgren walked Randy Lerner to the edge of the field.
Lerner kept going toward the clubhouse door. Holmgren did an about face and went back to watching practice.
Lerner looks very thin, as if he is in his third year since swearing off ice cream. He exchanged a few pleasantries with a couple of us but is very cautious about giving up important secrets.
“Gotta go work for a living,” he said before disappearing through the door.
• • •
I think Mr. Lerner is of a mind to be part of it when it turns.
That won’t necessarily be the controlling-interest part of it.
I think he’s more emotionally invested in the football team than a lot of people think.
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Frostee Rucker isn’t practicing. I don’t think it’s because he was off reading his press clippings.
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The best part of today’s first 90 minutes of practice was 11-on-11 red zone.
All of the work was divided between Brandon Weeden, running the ones, and Colt McCoy, rotating in after Weeden, getting a first-stringer in his set here and there.
There is a growing sense among the people that Weeden is where they should be investing their energies, since he’ll be on the field.
In one man’s eyes, McCoy looked as good or better than Weeden when it was his turn. The louder cheers, though, are going up any time Weeden gets something right.
The biggest ovation of the day came on from the 20. Weeden play faked, pump faked, then went over the middle, hitting tight end Ben Watson right on the hands at the goal line.
• • •
Pat Shurmur complimented rookie blazer Travis Benjamin the other day for the way he is catching the ball in traffic. Benjamin is having a very good day in that regard again.
He also has a knack for running away from traffic. On one red-zone play, he stopped, took off, stopped again, then took off again. He was alone in the right corner of the end zone when McCoy hit him in stride.
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Heading back out to practice ...
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Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/01/12 08:57 PM
That's just crazy talk... doesn't this reporter know that McCoy can't hit a receiver in stride?
Posted By: brownsfansince79 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/01/12 08:59 PM
I know DeepThreat is at camp today, so I'll be curious to see what his take on things is.
Posted By: NickBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/01/12 09:05 PM
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That's just crazy talk... doesn't this reporter know that McCoy can't hit a receiver in stride?




And a rookie reciever at that?

Either way we all know what the score is going to be and hopefully this will give McCoy a chance to be the backup QB.
Posted By: no_logo_required Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/01/12 09:15 PM
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That's just crazy talk... doesn't this reporter know that McCoy can't hit a receiver in stride?




well, he actually underthrew him, but Benjamin didn't know what route to run, so he ran 2 different routes and ended up getting to the ball at the correct time purely by chance
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/01/12 09:19 PM
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That's just crazy talk... doesn't this reporter know that McCoy can't hit a receiver in stride?




You took the words right out of my mouth.

It's like I always say though ... neither the QB nor the WR can reach his full potential without each other.

Same Old QB ... new WR

To be continued
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/01/12 09:30 PM
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That's just crazy talk... doesn't this reporter know that McCoy can't hit a receiver in stride?




well, he actually underthrew him, but Benjamin didn't know what route to run, so he ran 2 different routes and ended up getting to the ball at the correct time purely by chance




Well they did say he kept stopping and going, probably waiting for that weak throw to catch up to him.
Posted By: no_logo_required Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/01/12 09:36 PM
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That's just crazy talk... doesn't this reporter know that McCoy can't hit a receiver in stride?




well, he actually underthrew him, but Benjamin didn't know what route to run, so he ran 2 different routes and ended up getting to the ball at the correct time purely by chance




Well they did say he kept stopping and going, probably waiting for that weak throw to catch up to him.




here is the unedited script from the writer:

On one red-zone play, he stopped until he saw Colt throwing towards him, took off, stopped again when he realized how slow the ball was coming and asked the DB how the family was doing and about his 401K plan, then took off again after he got the full explanation of why a Roth IRA could be a good idea for his situation. He was alone in the right corner of the end zone when McCoy hit him in stride because the DB had gone to the sidelines to get some reading material for Benjamin on it.
Posted By: DeepThreat Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/01/12 11:15 PM
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I know DeepThreat is at camp today, so I'll be curious to see what his take on things is.




Few quick thoughts:

-- Weeden and Colt aren't close. Weeden's accuracy, arm strength and touch are all much better. Also, while Colt continues to dump the ball off, Weeden is actually throwing vertically. Colt threw few passes even medium distance, and one was an absolute duck.

-- Trent is put together. I know everyone is aware of this, but he seriously puts Hillis to shame.

-- Hardesty looks quick.

-- Gordon is the biggest WR I've seen at camp, and I've gone every year (minus one) since '99. He looks a little over 6'3" has a strong, thick build. His hands are massive and natural. He snatched the ball out of the air, and it sounded like the ball was simply hitting a pillow.

-- Travis Benjamin made a few nice plays and looked quick, but I'm a little worried about his hands. They don't seem very strong and he looks like he is fighting off a drop whenever he catches the ball.

-- Jordan Cameron looked FANTASTIC. He looks to have bulked up a bit, and he's showing athleticism and getting opened. He dropped one pass, but he made several nice catches and scored a few touchdowns.

-- John Hughes got some work with the first team defense at 1-tech. (I also sat next to him at Max and Erma's.)

-- Chris Gocong played SAM with Fujita at WILL.

-- Mitchell Schwartz was matched up against Jabaal Sheard for a bit, with Sheard owning him once. However, Schwartz won a few of the battles himself.

-- Usama Young looks terrible. I saw him get beat or look stupid on multiple plays. I didn't see much of Hagg, but it's easy to see why he's starting.

-- Kiante Tripp lined up at first-team DT. I wasn't really able to tell how well he played. Bad view.

-- Brad Smelley saw some time with the first team at FB. He looked good catching some passes.

-- When there were three WRs, MoMass was at the Z position (TE side), Gordon was at the X (weak side) and Little was in the slot.

All I've got for now. I'll be back tomorrow.
Posted By: Psydeffect Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/01/12 11:28 PM
Thanks for the updates.

In that situation, I would not have been able to resist challenging Hughes to some sort of eating contest.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/01/12 11:38 PM
Thanks for the post bro. I saw the fight between Mack and Tripp on STO lol Mack was going at him like the guy tried to steal his lunch money, hmm maybe he did lol.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/01/12 11:39 PM
Thanks for the update Deep. I've grown to enjoy your updates more than the talking heads that follow this team.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 12:00 AM
Cleveland Browns
Browns training camp: news, notes and observations from practice
By Nate Ulrich Published: August 1, 2012

The Browns held their fifth full-squad practice of training camp this afternoon. Here are some highlights:

Quietly in background

Quarterback Colt McCoy, the incumbent starter, spoke to the media for the first time since training camp started last week.

“You guys never asked for me,” McCoy told reporters. “I missed you guys.”

Yes, rookie Brandon Weeden has replaced McCoy in more than one way. Not only is Weeden taking the snaps with the first-team offense and in line to be named the starter in the near future, but he and running back Trent Richardson are also frequently propped in front of cameras as the faces of the Browns’ revamped offense.

McCoy is clearly no longer the Browns’ guy like he was a year ago, when he entered camp as the No. 1 quarterback

“Well, that doesn’t mean you don’t come out and compete and make yourself better,” McCoy said. “I’ve taken all snaps with the second group, and I’m still competing. That’s what I’m supposed to do, and I think that’s making our football team better.”

McCoy and Weeden completed several touchdown passes today during red-zone drills. Free safety Usama Young intercepted a pass from McCoy in a session of seven-on-seven, but Shurmur said McCoy has shown improvement during his second year in the West Coast offense.

“Colt’s doing great,” Shurmur said. “I think he’s continuing to improve. I’m seeing him do things in this camp that he didn’t do a year ago, and he’s getting more comfortable within our system and he’s coming to work every day and working hard. I think he’s doing a good job.

“I just think he’s more comfortable in the progressions. If it doesn’t go to No. 1 or No. 2, he’s throwing it to 3 instead of taking off and running. Those types of things -- commanding the huddle, knowing what his receivers can do and where he can put the football.”

Still, McCoy’s future has been enveloped by uncertainty. He could be moved at some point during the preseason.

“I can’t control anything other than coming out here and getting better,” McCoy said.

Standing out

One of McCoy’s touchdown passes was caught by rookie wide receiver Travis Benjamin. The 5-foot-10, 175-pound Benjamin reached in front of defensive back Emanuel Davis and grabbed the pass in the front corner of the end zone.

“Even though I might be small in size, I’ve been playing football ever since I was young. Mostly all the guys have been bigger than me, so I’ve just gotta keep that mindset that I’ve gotta play big.

“That’s all a part of football – being physical. There’s not one player on the field that’s not physical. Every play is contact, so I’m used to it. I’m more than just a fast guy.”

Shurmur agrees. Benjamin’s performance has stood out since the Browns began practicing in pads on Sunday.

“I anticipated with his natural size that he might get banged around and be less efficient, but he’s done a great job,” Shurmur said. “I think he handles the traffic pretty well, and you could see today he caught the ball in contested situations extremely well. We knew he had the skill and ability to play in this league, and at least to this point, he’s doing a good job of improving his game.”

After the Browns drafted Benjamin in the fourth round (100th overall) in April, Shurmur said he thought Benjamin could become a significant contributor as a rookie. Even though the Browns drafted rookie wide receiver Josh Gordon in the second round of the supplemental draft on July 12, Shurmur can foresee Benjamin making an impact this year.

“Absolutely,” Shurmur said. “I think both of those guys [Benjamin and Gordon], if they progress like they’re doing at the pace they’re going now, then I think they’ll be major contributors. Both those guys.”

Golden opportunity

Second-year tight end Jordan Cameron continued to shine. He caught touchdown passes from Weeden, McCoy and Seneca Wallace in red-zone drills.

Shurmur said Cameron will get ample opportunities to prove himself in preseason games.

“I think he needs to get lots of reps in the preseason games, and he will,” Shurmur said. “He’ll be a guy that can play the Y or the tight end position and then also the second tight end position in two-tight end sets. He’ll play quite a bit in the preseason for sure.”

Cameron has been working with the first-team offense in double-tight end sets while Evan Moore has been sidelined with an undisclosed injury.

Injury report

Frostee Rucker, the projected starter at right defensive end, missed practice with an undisclosed injury. Shurmur said it’s not serious.

“He won’t be out long,” Rucker said. “He missed today. He’s OK. We’ll evaluate him. He’ll be back soon.”

Moore, defensive tackles Ahtyba Rubin (pelvis) and Phil Taylor (pectoral muscle), fullback Eddie Williams (undisclosed), wide receiver Carlton Mitchell (leg) continued to sit out.

Shurmur said Moore will be back soon. He said Williams “probably won’t be out there for a while.”

Filling in

With Rubin out, defensive tackle Kiante Tripp took his spot with the first-team defense. Brian Schaefering filled that role in previous practices.

When asked what Tripp did to earn reps with the first unit, Shurmur said, “He maybe bought somebody lunch. I don’t know.”

Meanwhile, Marcus Benard replaced Rucker at right end with the first-team defense.

“He’s doing a good job,” Shurmur said of Benard. “He’s way further ahead this year than he was last year. Remember, he tried to put on a bunch of weight. In my opinion, it was not good weight based on his frame. He was in much better shape when he reported [to camp this year], and I think he’s doing a good job. Again, preseason games will be important for him as well.”
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Posted By: Heldawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 12:13 AM
Thanks!

I really do appreciate the in person feedback from posters who go to TC.

Aloha!
Posted By: DeepThreat Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 01:08 AM
If anyone wants updates during practice tomorrow, check my hobbies in my profile.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 01:11 AM
Thanks man. Given the style of practice, we're you able to pick up anything good or bad about Hughes?
Posted By: Heldawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 01:25 AM
Was Gordon exclusively at the X?

Surprised to see him there as that's usually your money outside threat. Little was entrenched there all of last year. Surprised they're moving him around.

That's a pretty big story if true.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 01:42 AM

Browns notebook: Browns show promise in red zone
By Steve Doerschuk
CantonRep.com staff writer

BEREA —

“Red zone!” a coach yelled.

A buzz rose in the big training-camp crowd as the Browns gathered on the southeast practice field.

Cornerback Joe Haden lined up over wideout Mohamed Massaquoi 20 feet from the gallery ropes. Massaquoi took off, straining to get open during a 20-yard run down the right sideline.

Haden wore Massaquoi like a diving suit. Suddenly, Massaquoi stopped. Haden lunged backward. Brandon Weeden fired a strike to the wide-open target.

“You can do that when you push somebody hard enough,” Haden groused.

No officials. No flag. No protest from coaches. Touchdown.

Red zone!

Last year, it was more like ... red zone? What’s the red zone.

Cleveland made fewer trips into the red zone — inside the 20-yard line — than any other AFC team in 2011.

The Browns set up shop there a miserable 31 times. Next worst was Kansas City at 36. New England led the league at 72.

The Browns were tied for the worst mark in the NFL, with the Rams.

Not only did the Browns fail to reach the red zone. They didn’t score once they got their. Only the Chiefs, Rams and 49ers scored a lower percentage of touchdowns once reaching the red zone.

These items are big reasons the Browns drafted the rocket-armed Weeden.

One of the biggest cheers in camp Wednesday came when Weeden set up at the 20 and made a play-action fake. Weeden pump faked then looked to the middle of the field, where he threw a bullet over the middle to tight end Benjamin Watson.

Touchdown.

Now ... can he do that in a game?

‘This year’s project’

Browns president Mike Holmgren says he has told rookie wide receiver Josh Gordon, “You are my special project.”

Alluding to marijuana use and issues that marred Gordon’s college career, Holmgren said, “He’s a good player who got gummed up a little bit. You talk to him, and he’s a really good kid.”

Holmgren says he has told Gordon he will not let him stray from a regimen that will keep him in good stead as his NFL career unfolds.

He admitted it is ultimately up to the player to take care of his own business.

D-line depleted

Three defensive line starters — tackles Phil Taylor and Ahtyba Rubin and end Frostee Rucker — all missed Wednesday practice.

Taylor will miss the first month or two of the season. Rubin is recovering from minor surgery. Rucker is new to the injury list.

He’ll be back soon,” head coach Pat Shurmur said, avoiding any details of Rucker’s problem.

Tickets going fast

Single-game seats went on sale Wednesday. Later in the day, the Browns announced that home games against the Eagles on Sept. 9, the Bills on Sept. 23 and the Steelers on Nov. 25 are sold out.

The team also announced that less than 1,000 seats remain for the Oct. 14 game against the Bengals.

To inquire about tickets, log on to www.clevelandbrowns.com or call 800-745-3000 or 800-943-4327.

Extra points

• The Browns will conduct single practices today and Friday mornings. Both are scheduled to run from 8:45 to 11:15.

• Former Browns running back Greg Pruitt was escorted around practice by ex-Browns teammate Doug Dieken. At one point, Dieken introduced Pruitt to Holmgren.

• Bernie Kosar, who knows Holmgren well, also took in Wednesday’s practice. Kosar says the biggest thing for Weeden will be to prove an ability to read defenses.

• Colt McCoy says he knows the offense much better than he did last year. Several players have complimented him for his reading of defenses in camp so far. web page
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Cribbs ready to roll as full-time specialist again
BEREA —

For the first time in five years, there is no ambiguity with Joshua Cribbs’ role on the Cleveland Browns.

Nor is there any talk about him playing wildcat quarterback, running back, or full-time wide receiver, for that matter. Cribbs is returning to his former spot as Cleveland’s special teams specialist, playing on all of its return and coverage units.

And he needs to be good.

“I’m going to rededicate myself to scoring touchdowns on kickoffs and punt returns,” Cribbs said Wednesday, “because that’s what our coaches want me to do. My role is changing again. They want more production out of special teams, so I’ll give it to them the best I can.”

Cribbs, 29, already owns the NFL record with eight career kickoff return touchdowns — one more than Seattle’s Leon Washington — and averaged 25.0 yards per runback last season. The two-time Pro Bowl selection also ranks fifth in league history with 11 total return touchdowns, most recently taking back a punt 84 yards at Baltimore last Dec. 24.

With that kind of ability on a team that annually needs a jolt offensively, Cribbs was installed into the offense by three Browns coaches: Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, and even Pat Shurmur last year. They gradually removed the 6-foot-1, 215-pounder from their coverage units, and gave him a chance with the offense.

The results? Not bad. Over the last four seasons, Cribbs logged 111 rushes for 639 yards, made 86 receptions, threw 11 passes, scored nine touchdowns, and started 26 games at wide receiver. The former Kent State quarterback’s production peaked in 2011, in fact, when he tied for the team lead with four receiving touchdowns and made a career-high 41 catches.

But it’s time go back to the future, perhaps. Less than two weeks into camp, Shurmur has already shot down any chance Cribbs will better those numbers this fall.

“Josh is a special teams player that plays receiver,” Shurmur said flatly. “He’s a special teams player.”

Cribbs has long expressed a desire to be an every-down player, but he read the handwriting on the wall during the offseason. Browns general manager Tom Heckert and Shurmur repeatedly spoke of Greg Little as a potential No. 1 receiver, then drafted Baylor’s Josh Gordon in the second round of the supplemental draft.

Also, veteran Mohamed Massaquoi and rookie Travis Benjamin have received significantly more snaps in camp, leaving Cribbs to take leftover reps while practicing in the return game.

“I’ll have less of a role on offense maybe,” Cribbs said. “But I’ve just got to do my part on special teams and nobody will know the difference.”

It’s not a bad school of thought. Cribbs, keep in mind, has 12,343 all-purpose yards in seven years with Cleveland.

“I came into this league scoring on returns and getting yards for the offense,” he said. “If that’s how I have to do it again, then so be it.”

Making his reduced role more interesting is Cribbs’ contract, which expires at the end of the season and pays him a base salary of just $1.4 million. Shurmur referred to him as “a player on the back nine of (his) career” earlier in the week, further driving home just how tenuous life in the NFL is for a veteran.

The paycheck is a surprise in some circles. Especially when you consider that Cribbs is one of the most popular athletes in Cleveland. But that status doesn’t hold much currency at the negotiating table.

“It does put more pressure on me this year, but I love it,” said Cribbs, who lives in Northeast Ohio year-round and is a courtside fixture at Cleveland Cavaliers games. “This is my destiny, just like the last time I had to play for a contract and when I had to make the team as (an undrafted) rookie.

“Last year, I showed everyone what I could do at wide receiver. Before that, I did what I could to establish myself as a premier return man. I’ll do it again this time.

“Get ready for Act 3.”

NOTES: QB Colt McCoy made his first public comments since camp opened, saying no reporters had asked to interview him until Wednesday. First-round draft choice Brandon Weeden has worked with the Browns’ top offense during camp and is expected to be named the starter soon. “I’ve taken all snaps with the second group and I’m still competing,” said McCoy, who went 4-9 in 13 starts last season. “That’s what I’m supposed to do. (This situation) doesn’t mean you don’t come out and compete and make yourself better.” ... DE Frostee Rucker sat out practice with an undisclosed injury, but Shurmur said he would be back soon, along with TE Evan Moore (undisclosed) and DT Ahytba Rubin (pelvic muscle surgery). The coach added that FB Eddie Williams (undisclosed) will be out “a while.” ... Second-year TE Jordan Cameron caught touchdown passes from Weeden, McCoy and third-stringer Seneca Wallace during a red-zone drill. . Scouts from the Canadian Football League’s Toronto Argonauts and Saskatchewan Roughriders were on hand. . Attendance at practice was 2,774, giving the Browns a four-day total of 12,254. web page

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Holmgren, McCoy on Browns' training camp hot seat

By Steve Doerschuk
CantonRep.com staff writer

BEREA —

“It’s a crazy business sometimes,” Mike Holmgren said.

The heat was on in Berea.

The most sultry practice of training camp had just ended when two Browns on very different hot seats shared their points of view.

In the shade of a tent along the tall fence on the west end of the team compound, Holmgren passed another afternoon of not knowing how his presidency might play out under a new owner.

He is asked nonstop how things are going with the impending sale of the team.

“We’re trying,” he said, “to make it business as usual.”

Holmgren, his head coach, his business chiefs, his general manager, and bunches of others are here because he is — and he is here, as he often says, because of Randy Lerner.

It’s a training camp full of Holmgren guys. At some point, Holmgren indicated, he will talk to Jimmy Haslam and Haslam’s people if Lerner sells.

Holmgren will go to bat for his men when sits down in the Haslam camp. He will do it from the perspective of a man who has seen a million people hired and fired in the NFL. He knew the drill long before he re-hired Eric Mangini one year and canned him the next. He knows nothing is guaranteed for his biggest hires, Tom Heckert and Eric Mangini.

“Ultimately, with all of the football people, they’re judged on the record,” Holmgren said. “It’s always been that way.”

Browns fans — legions of them are showing up for training camp, emanating noise and hunger — care mostly about how the team looks, not who signs the checks.

They want answers to football questions, not terms of sale.

Fifty yards from the shade where Holmgren spoke, one of the key football players linked to Holmgren talked to writers in broad daylight.

It was Colt McCoy, who is on the verge of losing his job to a new player also linked to Holmgren, Brandon Weeden.

Holmgren’s hot seat involves not knowing how he might fit with Jimmy Haslam. He is not squirming in the chair. He has had made millions in a long career that might land him in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

A glorious exit would be nice but is not essential to his legacy.

McCoy’s hot seat is much less comfortable. He has not enjoyed NFL success. What happens this year will set a tone for his chance to break through.

McCoy looked good in Wednesday’s practice. He threw a pick to safety Usama Young in a 7-on-7 drill. In 11-on-11 work, though, he seemed sharper than Weeden — albeit running the second-string offense while the rookie directed the “ones.”

There was McCoy hitting Jordan Norwood right on the hands, in stride, on a beautifully timed spiral. There was McCoy leading rookie Travis Benjamin perfectly on a slant. There he was sailing a strike to Josh Cooper on a fade in the end zone.

Notice that none of the receivers is a first-stringer. Weeden has been getting almost all of the action with those “ones.” McCoy doesn’t like it, but he is keeping any criticism to himself.

How can this be a competition if McCoy isn’t getting to compete with the first string?

“Those would be better questions for Pat and Brad (Childress),” McCoy said, glancing upstairs where the head coach and offensive coordinator share secrets.

Back in the shade, Holmgren addressed the issue. One can only wonder if his analysis would cause McCoy to roll his eyes.

“Right now,” Holmgren said, “I think it’s a healthy competition at quarterback. Colt is having a good camp. Seneca (Wallace) is completing balls.”

Holmgren had talked about Weeden before his nods to McCoy and Wallace.

“It’s clear to anyone who watches practice,” Holmgren said, “that he can really throw the ball.”

The words “maturity” and “bright future” rolled off the president’s tongue. At times in the past, Holmgren says, he has seen quarterbacks arrive in camp and quickly expose themselves as overmatched.

“That’s not the case with Brandon,” Holmgren said.

Training camp is a week old. McCoy is saying he will keep plugging away, control what he can control. Weeden is warming up for his first NFL start, on Aug. 10 at Detroit.

The ownership whirl raises a question few would have asked a few months ago. Who will be with the Browns longer? Holmgren? Or McCoy?

“I want to make this about the team,” McCoy said, “not me.”

It’s hard to believe Holmgren is staying out of this, although he has said a thousand times something he repeated Wednesday: “I’m not coaching any more.”

One can’t say there are no Browns fans any more, despite the four-year record of 18-46, despite the tidal wave boat-rocking of an ownership change. At least, the team announced Wednesday that three of the eight regular-season home games (Eagles, Bills, Steelers) sold out the first day tickets went on sale.

“The fans are tremendous,” Holmgren said. “Let’s give ‘em some hope.”

If hope blooms into wins, the president said, finding tickets, not selling tickets, will be “the problem.”

Meanwhile, the process of trying to sift through reality in the summer heat of Berea marches on.

The 2011 Browns lost nine of their last 10 games. McCoy more than likely lost his job to a draft pick.

Midway through practice, McCoy was rushed hard. He had to roll right. He couldn’t find a receiver. He had to throw the ball away. It sailed out of the end zone.

“C’mon, Colt!” he muttered to himself as he came to a stop.

C’mon? And do ... what?
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Posted By: DeepThreat Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 01:45 AM
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Thanks man. Given the style of practice, we're you able to pick up anything good or bad about Hughes?




Not really. Didn't have a great view. Hoping to pick up more on the linemen tomorrow.

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Was Gordon exclusively at the X?

Surprised to see him there as that's usually your money outside threat. Little was entrenched there all of last year. Surprised they're moving him around.

That's a pretty big story if true.




From what I noticed, yes. However, I don't recall seeing (or paying attention to) the wide receiver positions when there were only two wideouts. They apparently like Little out of the slot, which makes sense to me, given his ability to break tackles.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 02:02 AM
We had Little in the slot last year but Robo was sucking so bad and Pashos sucked so bad that we needed the extra TE in to help block and we needed more athleticism at receiver which resulted in Moore getting no playing time and Little moved out wide.

I am very intrigued by the prospects of this receiving corps especially with Little working in the slot against the oppositions 3rd corner or against a safety. Now they may all suck but physically that is some tough matchups especially with Benjamin, Gordon and Little. Remember how Chilly liked using TO in the slot when in Phily, he was a nightmare matchup in those days against safeties or nickel dbs.
Posted By: Loki Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 02:10 PM
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With Brandon Weeden and now Josh Gordon, the Browns' red zone woes could fade away
Aug 02, 2012 -- 12:26am
By Tony Grossi



The Morning Kickoff …

Return of the fade: I saw Brandon Weeden take a three-step drop inside the 20-yard line, float the artsiest pass an NFL quarterback can make to the left corner of the end zone, watched Josh Gordon soar above a defender, higher than I’ve seen a Browns receiver leap, snatch the ball in extremely large, soft hands attached to arms long as vines, and land his feet lightly in bounds – tap tap -- like an Olympic gymnast.

And I closed my eyes and I swear I heard the great Pat Summerall calling the play.

“Weeden. Gordon. Touchdown.”

I see this fade pass being unstoppable some day. Like it was at Oklahoma State for Weeden and Justin Blackmon. Twelve of the pair’s 39 career touchdowns as OSU teammates were perfectly-thrown Weeden lobs to Blackmon on the fade pass.

“Me and Blackmon just had a knack,” Weeden told me. “We never practiced it. We just went and I’d throw it to the back of the corner and he’d catch it. I’d throw to a spot, he’d use his body. It was like clockwork. It was easy for us.

Red zone hopes: Here’s the thing: Blackmon is 6-1 and 210 pounds with a 35-inch vertical jump. Gordon is 6-3, 225 pounds, with a 36-inch vertical. A Browns source told me the team evaluated Gordon as a better NFL receiver prospect than Blackmon, who was the fifth pick overall of the 2012 draft by Jacksonville.

“Gordon’s really good at it,” Weeden said of going up for the fade pass, or lob. “He’s bigger than Blackmon. So he can use his body to shield those guys off.”

Gordon said, “The fade route is something I had a lot of practice on, well, since middle school. I was the tallest wide receiver all the time, so (it’s) just go and get it.”

Having viewed an Oklahoma State-produced highlight video of every Weeden-to-Blackmon career touchdown play, I asked coach Pat Shurmur at the June minicamp if he was excited about the prospect of re-introducing the fade pass to the Browns’ red-zone play repertoire.

At the time, he said, “We tried to throw fades early in the (2011) year and we didn’t hit on them on a percentage high enough. The slant (pattern) means a lot more if (opponents) have to defend the fade, and in our offense we like to throw slants.”

Shurmur seemed to be saying that now that he had a quarterback who could execute the pass, yes, he’d love to revisit the option of the fade.

And that was before the arrival of Gordon.

Get it done: I contend that if an NFL team can’t execute a simple fade pass in the end zone, it can’t be competitive.

How many times in the last 10 years have we seen the Browns, stationed inside the opponent’s 20-yard line, throw short of the end zone? It is maddening, deflating and repulsive, really, to see dump-offs to backs or tight ends stopped short of the goal line time and time again. Three points instead of seven invariably means another loss is in the offing.

“I think the fade, you know, it can be a good play if you have a guy that is a mismatch size-wise or what-not,” Shurmur said. “It’s something I think is important to have in your red zone package, but from that standpoint, too, they can take that away and that’s why you have all of the route combinations.

“Just by his natural size, (Gordon) should have the potential to be a pretty good fade runner.”

I say practice it five minutes a day, minimum, and use it, and just dare defenses to stop it. When executed properly, the fade is a low-risk, high-reward little pass. The quarterback lofts the ball where only the receiver can catch it. The worst that can happen is an incompletion out of the end zone.

From what I saw on Wednesday, this should be a staple of the Browns’ red zone package.

Weeden. Gordon. Touchdown.




Interesting the Browns had Gordon rated higher than Blackmon, no wonder they spent a 2nd pick on the guy.
Posted By: clevesteve Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 02:19 PM
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Interesting the Browns had Gordon rated higher than Blackmon, no wonder they spent a 2nd pick on the guy.




Eh, if that's even true.

Blackmon was so good at the fade that he didn't even have to jump. His body positioning along with Weeden's lobs were perfection.
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 03:03 PM
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Quote:

Interesting the Browns had Gordon rated higher than Blackmon, no wonder they spent a 2nd pick on the guy.




Eh, if that's even true.

Blackmon was so good at the fade that he didn't even have to jump. His body positioning along with Weeden's lobs were perfection.



It's kind of funny how we beg for news, then we get news, we don't believe it.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 03:16 PM
Quote:

Quote:

Interesting the Browns had Gordon rated higher than Blackmon, no wonder they spent a 2nd pick on the guy.




Eh, if that's even true.

Blackmon was so good at the fade that he didn't even have to jump. His body positioning along with Weeden's lobs were perfection.




We will probably never know the truth. One is here and the other is not. ((shrug)).

One thing I would like to add on this is that Gordon has hands like a catchers mitt ... they engulf the football.


With all of the hoopla over Gordon ... I really think that Little is poised to be a big factor and we will see his fantasy league value sore, because he can turn a 7 yard slant into a 20 yard + run on any given play with Gordon drawing attention deep.
Posted By: dawg531 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 03:25 PM
Training camp notes from yesterday 8-1 weds

what i took away:

-More fans than i can remember on a weekday, and i have been coming since Marty Schottenheimer was here.

-Practice was very organized and focused. It hasn't always been that way.

-Trent Richardson is the real deal. You could see it every time he touched the ball. VERY quick on the cut, but also patient. Not only that he seems to have fired all the other running backs up, too. Hardesty looked quick, and Jackson and Ogbonnaya did too. Was hoping to see Adonis Thomas but didn't see him run at all. He did I think, just couldn't see his moves.

-Gordon is the real deal, too. Weeden threw one of those "only you can catch it" balls in the "end zone" (near the crowd) and Gordon soared to get it, then looked down carefully to make he landed in bounds. Weeden then threw basically the same pass to Cameron, not quite as good of a pass but very catchable, and he dropped it. Otherwise Cameron looked good.

-Dawson is as good as ever. He was not only making everything pretty much down the middle every time, he was trying to hit the cameraman above the goal posts and coming close every time.

-Ben Watson looked in shape. I was thinking last year he was nearing the end of his career, but he looked like a rookie. I was surprised at how young he looked. Weeden rocketed one down the middle, and Ben just caught it gently in his hands. I saw why he was an all pro in New England.

-nobody really stood out on the D. It was pretty obvious that Holmgren trusts Ray Rhodes and Dick Jauron with that side of the ball. He was watching the offense intently though. Not coaching, just watching.

-Sheard looked like a beast. Very quick. Hughes also looked good-like he was hungry to play.

-Marecic looked kinda lost, Smelley (who is taller and rangier than i expected for a fullback) looked better.

-Schwartz looked ok, he's definitely an upgrade, but he was sucking wind and hanging around the water for a while.

-i think Shugarts (OSU guy) will make the team. Generally both lines looked pretty good.

-Seneca looked like the odd man out in the QB rotation. Both rep-wise and mentally like he knew something.

-Massaquoi looks good and got a fair amount of reps as did Norwood and Little. Little dropped one he should have caught, crappy sideline pass from Weeden but pros have to make that catch.

-Weeden throws low balls across the middle. Should minimize INT's but may be a liability in the NFL since the DL's are so big.

-Cribbs looks fast and shifty. Thats good news!
Posted By: dawg531 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 03:32 PM
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Given the style of practice, we're you able to pick up anything good or bad about Hughes?




i saw him and was impressed.
Posted By: Arps Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 03:32 PM
sounds good! I am a bit more excited this season than usual.

Thank you for the report.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 03:51 PM
Quote:

Quote:

Given the style of practice, we're you able to pick up anything good or bad about Hughes?




i saw him and was impressed.




Music to my ears

We need him to pick up the slack with Taylor out and we will be much stronger when Taylor returns.

I also liked the fact that the Coach mentioned Hughes flashing yesterday in his press'er.

His said that he didn't want to pigeon toe the two [Winn and Hughes] run or pass guy's, but that was his first impression and he said that Winn looked pretty quick.

all good stuff
Posted By: legalizewd Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 05:13 PM
Browns camp report: Offense -- any offense -- necessary to start climb out of cellar
By Jason La Canfora | CBS Sports NFL Insider



BEREA, Ohio -- The Cleveland Browns enter 2012 after yet another season in the basement of the AFC North with nowhere to go but up. They have another nominal quarterback battle, at least on paper (Weeden vs. McCoy feels a bit like Quinn vs. Anderson), and yet again, there are possibly huge front-office changes on the horizon (and an imminent ownership change).

Just another summer for the Browns.

The coaches are hoping an infusion of offensive talent from the draft can lift the franchise, and last year's offense was downright unwatchable at times. All eyes are on Brandon Weeden, Trent Richardson, Josh Gordon and Mitchell Schwartz, to name a few. With incoming owner Jim Haslam a hands-on kind of guy, and team president Mike Holmgren possibly out soon, everyone knows more change is afoot and they might need to perform quickly to stick around.

Showing signs of life on offense is paramount.



"We needed to get a running back, and I felt like we needed to upgrade at the quarterback position," coach Pat Shurmur said. "And then we needed to bring in a guy at the right tackle position who we could count on. Those were the three starting points, not to mention, what I thought was a good move on our part, to upgrade the receiver position."

Team Objectives
• Score points. It sounds simple, but they have to get in the end zone. The Browns couldn't crack 14 points most weeks and couldn't score in the first or third quarter to save their lives. They have to play with the lead occasionally and there is no doubt Richardson will be a workhorse back. He'll be on the field in all situations. Getting Weeden on the same page with his young receivers is another mandatory step. It has to translate to Sundays. They need to sell some hope to the fan base on that side of the ball, and there's no better way than with a slew of top picks. Now they just have to produce.

• Stay healthy. The Browns love some of their key pieces on an improving defense -- and that side of the ball was the focus of the 2009 and 2010 offseason -- like D'Qwell Jackson, Joe Haden and Phil Taylor. But they also know they aren't deep enough to withstand the loss of key starters. Taylor is already hurt. "Our guys are comfortable within the scheme," Shurmur said, "but the key for us is to stay healthy. That's the key. As we go through camp the ones we've got, we've got to get them to the race, and unfortunately there are times you get guys banged up in camp."

• Win in the division. If this franchise is going to turn around, then at some point the Browns will have to be able to win consistently against the likes of Pittsburgh and Baltimore, and now Cincinnati as well. That's three teams with quality quarterbacks and some impressive talent. Cleveland is still playing catchup. When everyone else in the division is playing in the postseason, and you're jostling for a top-five pick, it's an indication of how far there is to go. Making Cleveland a tough place to visit again for divisional foes would be a nice step in the right direction.

Camp Battles
Quarterback: There isn't anyone in this organization who doesn't think Weeden, the 22nd overall pick, will be the Week 1 starter. But Colt McCoy, the incumbent, is still getting some camp reps with starting receivers. At least on paper it's a competition. Weeden looked raw in special situations early in camp, like the two-minute drill, but that's to be expected. No matter how much he struggles in camp and the preseason, I can't see him doing anything but starting the season on the field. McCoy could be dealt before the season, with veteran Seneca Wallace a capable backup.

No. 2 and No. 3 wide receiver: After Greg Little, who returns as the top target, this group is entirely up for grabs. There are no real favorites and so much yet to play out. Gordon, taken in the second round of the supplemental draft, and fourth-round pick Travis Benjamin have a lot of promise. Holdover Mohamed Massaquoi, a bust to this point, looked energized early in camp. Josh Cribbs is seeing his role decline, with more of a focus on special teams, which opens up playing time for others. Regardless of how it shakes out, expect the youngsters to be in plenty of packages.

Right tackle: Tony Pashos is a courageous fellow, and he gutted it out with his body failing him last season. But right tackle was a huge issue in 2011 and having drafted yet another quarterback high, they need to find a bookend to complement left tackle Joe Thomas. Everyone expects Schwartz to get the gig, and he will. But he was having some trouble adjusting to the speed of the game early in camp as he worked with the starters. He will see a lot of action in preseason games. Journeyman Oniel Cousins provides the competition here.

Somebody to Watch
You can't miss Gordon at camp. He hovers over other guys on what is a receiving group with good size. He has freak-of-nature, matchup-nightmare speed and body type, but is ever so raw. He really only played one year of college football at Baylor and missed the entire offseason, having just been taken in the supplemental draft in mid-June. But a lot of teams liked him, and while the Browns surprised some by taking him so high, the potential is there. Gordon, despite all the missed time, was already getting reps in some three-receiver sets with the starters early in camp. "He's an extremely talented young man," Shurmur said. "We'll just see how far we can get him." It's worth noting after a shaky offseason that Benjamin was lighting up camp with his speed.

Injury Roundup
Defensive lineman Phil Taylor tore a pectoral muscle in the offseason and for a time it appeared he might be lost for the season, but GM Tom Heckert was confident he would be off the PUP list and ready to play by around Week 7. "He's already lifting," Heckert said. "We just have to make sure he doesn't do too much."

Defensive tackle Ahtyba Rubin was being brought along slowly but is expected back after the first preseason game.

The Final Word
The Browns went 4-12 and are 18-46 the past four years. So all the hope must be somewhat tempered. They have made some strides and Heckert has pulled off some nice draft-day trades, but other execs see this team still firmly in rebuilding mode. Improving much on last year's win total will be a chore, and, especially if Joe Banner takes over as team president before the season, brace for sweeping changes throughout the organization heading into 2013.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 05:35 PM
Loki- Good read and man it is good to hear all the positive stuff on Gordon.

Dawg531, thanks for the post, some good stuff in there. Sheard is gonna have a huge year if we can find his counterpart. I thought Rucker was gonna be the guy but I worried that he couldnt stay healthy and he is already injured. Good luck Benard, we need him to pick it up.
Posted By: dawg531 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 07:06 PM
Haha

Dawson trying to hit the camera man

Adonis Colt Jackson

Adonis Colt Jackson

Posted By: candyman92 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 09:49 PM
I like this kid Gordon

Posted By: archbolddawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 09:56 PM
I like that too.

But, why wouldn't he go up with 2 hands? In games, there will be a defender there.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 10:00 PM
I really don't know if he could have gotten high enough if he went with both hands. That was an impressive catch though.

Look at how his hand just engulfs the football.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 10:16 PM
Perhaps, as far as getting the ball at it's peak.

But please notice - his other hand NEVER comes to the ball to secure it.

That's not a good football move - no d, and you want to one hand it the whole way.

In a game, that ball usually gets knocked out of his "hand" by even a backup d-back.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 10:18 PM
Yeah, that part I can agree with. I would prefer to see him wrap it up with both hands.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 10:35 PM
Quote:

I like that too.

But, why wouldn't he go up with 2 hands? In games, there will be a defender there.




He's up there pretty high,, maybe going up with two hands doesn't net him the catch.

But hey,, it still looked good didn't it
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 11:03 PM
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I really don't know if he could have gotten high enough if he went with both hands. That was an impressive catch though.

Look at how his hand just engulfs the football.






Did he get his second foot in??



Impressive in my mnid.
Posted By: Jester Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 11:34 PM
Perhaps they were doing a drill to practice one handed catches. You can't always use two hands so maybe they practice the one hand catch.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 11:36 PM
ahh, it's McCoy throwing it, it's a softball, anyone can one hand those!
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 11:51 PM
Watching Browns training camp today and at the end they were showing a highlight reel of Weeden's passes from today and I got to say WOW!! Compared to his throws in minicamp and OTA's and even the first couple days of camp there was a huge difference. Jaw dropping throws that will lead to big time run after catch.
Posted By: HotBYoungTurk Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/02/12 11:56 PM
who's posting their impressions for the day?
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 01:43 AM
"That's one big sucker" ... with catchers mitts for hands
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 02:30 AM
Quote:

Perhaps they were doing a drill to practice one handed catches. You can't always use two hands so maybe they practice the one hand catch.




Perhaps the Coach told Colt to throw it high just to test Gordon's reach and range.

Sorta like trying to hit the ball over your outfielders heads for practice in baseball.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 03:02 AM
Actually, I thought that I read an article that said that Weeden threw that pass that required such a great reach.

Sorry .... just spreading the hate ......
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 03:15 AM
Quote:

Actually, I thought that I read an article that said that Weeden threw that pass that required such a great reach.

Sorry .... just spreading the hate ......




What hate?
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 04:07 AM
Haven't you read? I'm hateful.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 06:36 AM
General reply:

I'm hearing about how Schwartz is getting owned by Sheard. I haven't seen anyone point out how Sheard was the one getting owned by Thomas just one year ago.

So I say, good on all of them.
Posted By: ClayM57 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 10:40 AM
The other hand is to push-off with.....LOL
Posted By: candyman92 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 10:43 AM
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Haven't you read? I'm hateful.




Might want to add obnoxious to it as well.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 02:35 PM
Perhaps ..... or maybe just tired of a lot of crap.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 04:38 PM
Quote:

Perhaps ..... or maybe just tired of a lot of crap.




You are only allowed to post your opposing view 10x, no matter how many people ( and times) you get blasted for it.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 04:41 PM
Quote:

Haven't you read? I'm hateful.




Well I've said it before and I'll say it again ... we may not agree on all things brown and orange, but I would never question your fanship.
Posted By: CanadaDawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 09:18 PM
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I like this kid Gordon






Only on this board would people get upset about a guy making an acrobatic catch. I doubt this is his common technique....
Posted By: clevesteve Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 09:49 PM
Canada, the Internet is full of complainers.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 10:51 PM
That was a fantastic catch and a great shot.

A bit off topic but I gotta say, I was worried coming into camp that the reps with the 1's would be split when Weeden needed every single rep he could get. I think this regime handled the situation well although they should have just went ahead and named Weeden the starter after Ota's. To see the chemistry coming together and also this new explosiveness from our receivers is amazing to watch. I am really jealous of those able to attend camp.

All I have seen has been videos online and clips on TV but this team looks quicker pretty much everywhere and not just new additions but the guys from last year. Cribbs, little, Hardesty, Mo and even some of our trench guys like Mac and Sheard are looking quicker and more explosive.
Posted By: E.Ryze19 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 11:32 PM
Quote:

Quote:

I like this kid Gordon






Only on this board would people get upset about a guy making an acrobatic catch. I doubt this is his common technique....





What I see is a pass overthrown, and a very talented WR leaping up and snatching it from the air.......awesome should be the comment from everybody.

Can't wait to see him catch one of them while towering over Ike Taylor.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/03/12 11:41 PM
Quote:

t this team looks quicker pretty much everywhere and not just new additions but the guys from last year. Cribbs, little, Hardesty, Mo and even some of our trench guys like Mac and Sheard are looking quicker and more explosive.





That happens when guys know what to do and don't have to think as much.
I think most people grossly underestimate the impact of not having an off-season last year.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/04/12 01:17 AM
Quote:

Quote:

I like this kid Gordon






Only on this board would people get upset about a guy making an acrobatic catch. I doubt this is his common technique....




I agree.
Posted By: dawg531 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/04/12 01:23 AM
Quote:

I like this kid Gordon






yes, thats the same kind of catch i saw him make. Braylon Edwards without the B.S.
Posted By: NickBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/04/12 01:26 AM
Just curious was that taken during the fade throws portion I was reading about in the paper?
Posted By: Dawgpound017 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/04/12 01:50 AM
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Canada, the Internet is full of complainers.




The internet? How about the world.
Posted By: BADdog Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/04/12 04:28 AM
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yes, thats the same kind of catch i saw him make. Braylon Edwards without the B.S.




Bray could not make that catch in a million years!!!!!
Bray had no hands that was his problem always jumping for body catches.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/04/12 04:44 AM
Actually, I think that was the only type of catch braylon could make. However, if you threw the ball directly to his hands, it was almost an automatic incomplete.
Posted By: 123 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/04/12 06:17 AM
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Actually, I think that was the only type of catch braylon could make. However, if you threw the ball directly to his hands, it was almost an automatic incomplete.




this ^
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/04/12 02:39 PM
I wonder how happy the Rams are now that they couldn't manage to wind up with Justin Blackmon? He's holding out, and had a DUI already.

Right now it appears that they dodged a bullet. I do pity the Jaguars though. Shame is, I still think that the guy is overrated to start with. Add in a holdout and a DUI ...... and I doubt that he becoems anything really good, let alone great, in the NFL.
Posted By: legalizewd Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/04/12 05:14 PM
Five questions from Browns camp
By Pat Kirwan | NFL Insider


During my one-day visit to the Cleveland Browns they had an ownership change, rumors that the club president was finished, a supplemental draft pick from a month ago lined up with the first-team offense and a 28-year-old rookie quarterback separated himself from the other QBs with what he called "my best day so far." In my 23 years in and around the NFL, I can't remember more things happening in one day to one team.

The outside world has little to no expectations for the 2012 Browns. Don't tell that to the thousands of fans that lined the field for the 2½-hour practice and a coaching staff that sees a much better team on the practice field than the 2011 team which finished 4-12.

There are many things to be resolved during this camp from top to bottom but as I leave Berea, Ohio, here are some of the things that I wondered about as this team is being constructed for the season.

1. Who is the leader of the offense?
The defense has leaders in D'Qwell Jackson and Joe Haden and that helped them become the 10th-ranked unit in the NFL. Joe Thomas definitely has a commanding presence over the offensive linemen but the overall leader is up for grabs. Ironically, it sure looks to me like rookie QB Brandon Weeden has all the traits of a team leader and the respect of his teammates. He sees himself as a veteran because of his age and his pro baseball career. He actually referred to himself as "one of the veteran athletes" on the team when we sat down to talk some Xs and Os. Browns fans are hoping for their own version of Andy Dalton and I believe they have found him in Weeden. It's not just his maturity and personality but more importantly he can play the game and his teammates already can see it. Time will tell when the games are being played but right now I wouldn't bet against Weeden being the face of the team from the beginning of the season.


2. What should the Browns do about Scott Fujita?
Fujita is an important part of this team as a starting linebacker and maybe even more critical in the nickel defense. He is probably gone for the first three games with a suspension for the Saints' bounty situation and the Browns have to alter their practice plans right now. Pat Shurmur can't wait for an appeal to overturn the suspension. The Browns have to operate like Fujita will not be available and get other linebackers ready to go. I talked with Shurmur and Fujita about the situation and both men recognized there is a plan in place, though it's tough for Fujita to watch from the sidelines on many occasions. Scott has missed 18 games over his three seasons in Cleveland due to injury so the coaches have had to work around his absence before. Is there enough talent on the roster to overcome the suspension? Chris Gocong now stays on the field in the nickel package and Kaluka Maiava gets time in the base defense. Keep an eye on how the Browns do in preseason games at the strong-side linebacker spot and hope rookies James-Michael Johnson and Emmanuel Acho emerge as solid contributors. Last year the Browns were 30th against the run and opponents will continue to pound the ground attack if things don't get better, with or without Fujita.

3. Can the offense be effective with five potential rookie starters?
When I was in the league the thought about rookie starters was each one was good for a loss. The lack of experience, stamina and knowledge of the pro game always seemed to add up to a bad outcome. After watching practice, it's entirely possible Cleveland could start five rookies on offense -- Weeden, running back Trent Richardson, right tackle Mitchell Schwartz and wide receivers Josh Gordon and Travis Benjamin. There is no surprise about the first three and I actually believe all of them will do well. The two receivers have a big challenge ahead of them this preseason but there's little doubt the coaches see the potential to be starters during their first season. Gordon is working with the first offense at the X receiver. He is big and a fluid athlete. He already flashes great potential on the slant routes and the slant and go (slugo) route. He can break tackles, catch in a crowd and Weeden loves the big target he presents. Keep an eye on his ability to beat press coverage, which he is being challenged with in practice, and more importantly his stamina. Gordon recognized the need to get his legs under him and be able to play at a high level play after play. Benjamin is working at the Z receiver and even though he is small he has a vertical component to his game that the Browns need on the field. He needs work with press coverage issues and Haden is working hard to get him ready by making life tough on him play after play.

4. Will the ownership change affect the team?
It was clear to me that not many of the players even knew outgoing owner Randy Lerner. While all the talk of the day around the building was about new owner Jimmy Haslam III, the players didn't seem fazed at all by the changes at the top. As Jackson said, "I'm tired of losing and my only focus is making this team better. Nothing else really matters." Haden echoed the same thing. Players tend to live in a vacuum and care more about what their position coach is telling them than a new owner. As for Shurmur and his staff, they already came into the season knowing they had to become a better team and an ownership change was a subject for the offseason. I know one thing about this staff, they are not the kind of men that will be looking over their shoulders or anxious about their future during the season. My hope is that Haslam will be patient and take from his experience as a minority owner of the Steelers the concept of stability and not change for the sake of change.

5. Where are the big position battles?
As Shurmur said, "There has to be change when a team goes 4-12 and we have enough depth on the roster right now for some healthy competition."

Keep an eye on these positions:

• Wide receiver Greg Little, in great shape after his 61-catch rookie season, will be in a battle with rookies Gordon and Benjamin.
• DT Phil Taylor is a lock to start when he finally returns from the PUP list but in the meantime rookies John Hughes and Billy Winn are battling for a spot in the front. They probably will wind up in a rotation but when Taylor returns only one of the two will get the real playing time.
• The corner opposite Haden looks like a battle between Sheldon Brown and Dimitri Patterson. Brown started all 16 games last year and is penciled in right now but Patterson wants more than the nickel job.
• Safety has a competition brewing opposite T.J. Ward. Some believe Usama Young is the starter but after watching practice I like Eric Hagg, a second-year man drafted in the seventh round last April. He is vocal, has the range to play the deep middle and good key and diagnose.

Finally, the Browns are headed in the right direction, but with all the youth and a schedule that includes the NFC East and The AFC West along with their own division rivals, a winning record is tough to expect. I would measure success this season in terms of seven wins and an eye on 2013 for a breakthrough year. Will the fans and new ownership have the patience to accept that scenario?
Posted By: 10YrOvernightSuccess Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/04/12 10:58 PM
For Kirwan this is pretty positive. Especially regarding Weeden. He can be brutal if pretty much on the money when it comes to his preseason team summaries. I love what he says about hoping the new owner is patient. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/05/12 12:29 AM
Joe Haden certain he can start picking up the pace on pickoffs: Browns Insider
Published: Saturday, August 04, 2012, 6:19 PM Updated: Saturday, August 04, 2012, 6:20 PM
Tom Reed, The Plain Dealer By Tom Reed, The Plain Dealer


Pall cast: A spirited morning session was silenced by the serious right leg injury to starting linebacker Chris Gocong. He was sent for an MRI and the club fears Gocong suffered a season-ending ruptured right Achilles.

Camp highlights: Defensive end Jabaal Sheard and defensive back James Dockery had interceptions. ... Rookie receiver Travis Benjamin dropped a well-thrown deep ball from Colt McCoy. ... Rookie Josh Cooper made a nice sliding catch in traffic. ... The collision of the day involved 185-pound DB Buster Skrine crashing into 315-pound OT Oniel Cousins on a pitchout. Skrine’s effort and sacrifice electrified his defensive teammates.

Interest rising: Saturday’s practice drew 3,236 fans. The Browns are averaging 2,965 fans as opposed to 1,647 per practice last year.

Practice schedule: Sunday, no practice; Monday, 2-4:30 p.m., full pads; Tuesday, 8:45-11:15 a.m., full pads.

— Tom Reed

BEREA, Ohio -- Joe Haden soared above Brad Smelley on Saturday to pick off a Seneca Wallace pass during morning practice.

The sight of the Browns cornerback intercepting balls has been as familiar in training camp as it was uncommon last season. Despite being one of the NFL's top cover corners -- he ranked sixth in pass breakups -- he failed to register a single interception in 2011. By his account, Haden should have had at least five.

"It was really frustrating," Haden said. "I pride myself on my hands. I feel like I have really good hands. I need to make sure I catch them this year."

Haden believes the drops cost him a shot at the Pro Bowl during a season in which he had a team-leading 19 breakups and the Browns finished second in the league against the pass. His inability to produce turnovers was more baffling considering he had six interceptions in his rookie year.

"There was no reason," Haden said. "I was in good position. ... I was trying to score too much. I was looking past just catching the ball."

With the help of defensive backs coach Tim Hauck, he's adjusted his coverage when playing off a receiver at the line. It's allowing Haden to get a better read on the receiver's routes and the ball flight, he said. He worked extensively on the technique during phases of spring practices when bump-and-run coverage is prohibited. Haden has had about 10 interceptions during the first seven days of training camp.

"I think through the off-season and, as you evaluate last year, we've talked about that with Joe," coach Pat Shurmur said. "Usually, you get what you emphasize and if it shows up in practice that's the best chance for it to show up in the game. He's getting his hands on balls and his coverage is tight."

Haden said his main objective remains to "eliminate" receivers in press coverage. Working to defend against a strong arm like Brandon Weeden's, he said, is helping elevate his play.

"I am trying to become a lockdown corner and when you play man-to-man that much it's harder to get interceptions," Haden said.

Uncertain times: General Manager Tom Heckert told reporters at the Pro Football Hall of Fame on Saturday that he believes the club is on the right path and hopes the managerial staff will remain intact through the change in ownership.

The only message Heckert said he's heard from new owner Jimmy Haslam III is to keep working.

"It's hard for me to say," Heckert said when asked if he thought he would be retained. "We obviously want to. We think we're on the right track. We're really excited about this season, but I hope I'm here to see it all through."

Haslam said on Friday he would be involved in no such decisions until the sale gains NFL approval. The truck-stop magnate said he's in "listen, learn and observe" mode. Haslam was generally complimentary of Heckert and team president Mike Holmgren at his introductory news conference.

"We did talk to the staff," Heckert said. "I don't know that we had to, but they understand the situation. It's a little different because ownership changes don't happen a whole lot, but guys understand it's a part of the business. There's always a possibility of change. It's part of the business."

New sheriff: Haslam returned to practice for a second straight day to observe his new team. He watched part of the session alongside Holmgren, but later spoke extensively to Shurmur on the sidelines.

"I will keep our conversations private, but he's interested in the operation and he's watching it with fresh eyes so he has questions about how we do things," Shurmur said. "I think it's something that he's out there trying to learn and get up to speed with what we're doing, how we do things, why we do certain drills so that he can become educated on our process, of course."

Injury update: Tight end Ben Watson sat out Saturday's practice with an undisclosed injury. Defensive tackle Scott Paxson returned to practice after leaving early on Friday due to illness.
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Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/05/12 12:54 AM
Browns training camp snapshot — August 4

Published: August 4, 2012 - 08:16 PM
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Position battles: Coach Pat Shurmur said he would like to keep six wide receivers on the 53-man roster, and undrafted rookie receiver Josh Cooper is fighting for a job. He made a case for himself Saturday by diving over the middle to grab a pass from rookie quarterback Brandon Weeden, his teammate at Oklahoma State. The play elicited loud cheers from the crowd.

Who stood out: Rookie wide receiver Josh Gordon. He beat cornerback Sheldon Brown’s coverage on a fade route along the sideline and hauled in a deep pass from Weeden in seven-on-seven action. Gordon later caught a long touchdown pass from Weeden on fourth down in a two-minute drill.

Highs and lows: In an 11-on-11 drill, quarterback Colt McCoy threw a perfect pass to rookie receiver Travis Benjamin on a deep route. Benjamin, though, dropped the ball even though he was wide open. Fans shouted words of encouragement at McCoy. … In a two-minute drill, linebacker Scott Fujita deflected a pass from Weeden, and defensive end Jabaal Sheard picked it off. … Weeden and the first-team offense got another chance and capitalized when Weeden and Gordon connected for a touchdown. … McCoy and the second-team offense set up Spencer Lanning’s successful 37-yard field goal with their drive during the two-minute drill. … In more 11-on-11 action, cornerback Buster Skrine zoomed off the edge of the line of scrimmage, trying to disrupt a pitch to running back Brandon Jackson, and offensive tackle Oniel Cousins crushed Skrine with a ferocious block. The players and fans went wild. … The same 11-on-11 session ended with rookie defensive tackle John Hughes pinning offensive lineman Dominic Alford on the ground before teammates broke up the minor scuffle.

Sidelined: Linebacker Chris Gocong (suffered a season-ending torn Achilles tendon during practice), kicker Jeff Wolfert (undisclosed), wide receiver Carlton Mitchell (leg), free safety Usama Young (undisclosed), fullback Eddie Williams (undisclosed), tight end Benjamin Watson (undisclosed), defensive lineman Brian Schaefering (undisclosed), defensive end Frostee Rucker (undisclosed) and defensive tackle Phil Taylor (pectoral muscle).

Today’s schedule: Players are off. The next practice is set for 2-4:30 p.m. Monday, and it’s open to the public.

— Nate Ulrich
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Transcript from news conference with Browns coach Pat Shurmur
By Nate Ulrich Published: August 4, 2012

Browns coach Pat Shurmur met with reporters this morning after practice. Here is a transcript from the news conference:

(Opening Statement)- “It was another good practice. You are probably going to ask about Chris Gocong who left. They are evaluating his ankle, and we’ll see so I’ll know more here at some point. I’m sure it will get released if there’s something extended to his injury. It looked like, from what we could tell, he just jumped up in the air, and then came down on it so we’re having it evaluated. With that being said, I thought the practice was good. There were a lot of coachable moments out there. We saw some big plays. We saw a couple big plays that we have to make. We saw a situation where a receiver caught a ball then stopped running when he could have scored a touchdown. He’ll never do that again. You don’t go through it unless you practice it. I think that’s something that we can learn from and that’s why you do these things. We got some situational work in. I really felt like, again, we made some progress today.”

(On if he thinks Chris Gocong’s injury is ankle related)- “We’re hoping that whatever the injury is that it’s not a long term thing, but we’ll know here. He’ll be sent for an MRI and we’ll know for sure if it’s something that we have to deal with more than a couple days.”

(On if Kaluka Maiava and James Michael Johnson play either outside position)- “Yeah, they are very flexible position wise. They really can play inside as well, Kaluka, JMJ, and some of the young linebackers that we have on our roster. Anytime there’s an injury, it’s unfortunate when it happens. It’s the unintended consequence of playing this game. As safe as you try to be sometimes it happens. It drives the coach nuts for sure. I worry about that when we come out here. You don’t want to see guys get hurt. I think the important thing though, is when that happens, you quickly get your eye right back on the ball and you get guys in there that can compete. It’s also a lesson to guys that play behind people, it’s a play away from being in there and being in there full time. That’s what you have to learn from that.”

(On Craig Robertson and L.J. Fort possibly getting more snaps)- “I think those are two guys that have also caught our eye. I think they are both guys that if they make the club here, are immediately going to be special teams contributors in a big way. They’ve both made plays, obviously in the scrimmage drills. They are two young guys that we’re very hopeful for.”

(On what he’s seeing from Kaluka Maiava)- “Kaluka is obviously a very fine football player. He first established himself as a special teams player and he’s very effective in scrimmage downs as well. We anticipate that he’ll be one year better in our scheme and one year better as a player.”

(On how Maiava compensates for being a smaller linebacker)- “He’s bigger than you (joking). There are a lot of linebackers in the league, although they may not be tall, they’re not small. He’s kind of a thickly built guy. Even though he’s not tall, he’s pretty powerful.”

(On if he will look outside to get another linebacker if Chris Gocong is out for a long time)- “I think we’re going to have to evaluate that once we know the final outcome if this is a major injury.”

(On if he thinks the team bounced back after Gocong’s injury)- “Yeah, I think they did. I think we have enough veteran guys around here, and quite frankly anybody that’s come to our team has played enough football where they’ve seen injuries happen. As I mentioned, it’s the unintended consequence of this game. I thought they bounced back fine.”

(On linebacker being a bad position for injury because of Scott Fujita’s suspension)- “I don’t want an injury at any position. We just keep moving ahead and we’ll find out again what’s wrong with Chris. We’ll find out how long he’ll be out and then we’ll keep moving forward. Nothing can stop the train, we’ve got to keep going.”

(On if there is an emphasis on working with Joe Haden on getting more interceptions)- “I think through the offseason, and as you evaluate last year we’ve talked about that with Joe. Usually you get what you emphasize, and if it shows up in practice, that’s the best chance to have it show up in a game. He’s getting his hands on balls now. His coverage is tight. I think he’s having a good camp to this point.”

(On what he’s seen with Mitchell Schwartz and Jabaal Sheard going against each other)- “I think the battles have been good. You’ll find that Jabaal will get him once in a while. What I’m seeing though is, you’re seeing Mitchell kind of adjust his sets and get a little bit better with his hands each day. Going against one another helps both of them I think. At this point in camp, of course everybody’s a little dead-legged so you don’t see that zip that we’ll get back in their legs when it gets to be game time. The competition is good and I think they are both handling it very well.”

(On if he would expect Sheard to take another step after having a good rookie season)- “Yeah, I think he will. Again, I think he switched sides in the middle of the year last year. This year, he’s kind of getting honed in. I see him on my right, but I know he’s on the left. He’s getting honed in on that side earlier. Anything you do more than once, there should be a big jump between one and two. I think this year he will make improvement.”

(On why they moved the stadium practice to Wednesday instead of Saturday)- “It was just some scheduling. We wanted to make sure the field was in the right condition and then we wanted to look at it on a week night. We’re just kind of adjusting it to see. There’s no real firm rhyme or reason to it. We wanted it to be an outstanding experience for our fans. We feel like doing it at night. It is a good thing. It will be the same structure really as last year, we’re just going to do it on a weeknight, and see what kind of response we get.”

(On Joe Thomas saying that Jason Pinkston has made improvements this year and if he has seen that as well)- “I have. He’s another guy that it’s a little bit different mindset for him coming in. He’s pretty much in there playing now. There’s really no confusion about am I paying on the right side, left side. He’s in there playing, and he’s playing next to Joe, and there is synergy. When you get those five guys playing together a long time, then the unit tends to get better as the individuals get better. Joe’s as close to him as anybody so he would know.”

(On how the backup defensive linemen are performing in camp so far)- “They’re in there battling. You see some give and take here during training camp, they’re in there battling and working hard and I see improvement from them as well. Everybody out there competing has a chance to play and I think they’re looking at it that way.”

(On what Jimmy Haslam was asking him at the end of practice)- “I will keep our conversations private, but he’s interested in the operation and he’s watching it with fresh eyes so he has questions about how we do things. I think it’s something that he’s out there trying to learn and get up to speed with what we’re doing, how we do things, why we do certain drills so that he can become educated on our process, of course. I feel like he’s really excited to own this football team. I’ve enjoyed our conversations to this point.”

(On if he has had a long conversation with Haslam)- “We’ve spoken quite a bit, sure.”
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Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/06/12 08:13 PM
Just so people know ..... there is a live media availability on the Browns homepage that has already started. Speculation is that Shurmur will name his starting QB today.

I should say that the video feed has started. Still waiting on Shurmur to arrive.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/06/12 08:18 PM
I can already tell you who the starter is. It's not like there's any question, is there?
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/06/12 08:19 PM
Nope. Just making it official.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/06/12 08:31 PM
And it is official. The #2 is to be determined.
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/06/12 08:40 PM
Think that I will check it out. Thanks for the heads up! Official is better IMO. Get it behind you.
Posted By: SaintDawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 01:26 AM
I was at camp today.. we arrived a bit late so we were on the East sideline and the offense and scrimmages were most lamentably on the west sideline so I had some trouble seeing all that transpired. Off the top of me head, no particular order.. From what I saw:

# 17 (Owen Spencer) is keeping alive the tradition. Lots of drops.

Gordon is large, fast and has nice hands.

Talked to Usama Young.. mentioned a hammy problem I believe. Took a pic with us, nice guy.

Phil is kicking well.

Hardesty looks better than I've ever seen him. Quick and nice cuts.

Colt had one pick.. Seneca had a few more than that I believe. I prefer Colt.

Rubin and Moore are back on the field and look good.

Big Joe had a knee to the ground. Elder statesman watching the rooks trying to make the team.

Paxson actually doesn't look too bad.. Benard had a rough time in the fumble pick up drills and fell on his belly.. so he crawled to the ball and rolled around with it a bit. Benard later taken inside to get looked at.. some unspecified injury but was back out later doing auto's for the fans. Don't know if he resumed playing.

Adonis Thomas is a quick lil guy.

Benjamin is a mixed bag.. easy drops / nice catches. Did some work with the special teams.. fielding kicks and returns.. ehh.. not great not bad.. I suppose it's early yet. Norwood and JC worked at that drill too. Was shocked to see Haden doing work with what looked like punt return team.

Timing between QB's and WR ain't all there yet.. close misses.. picks etc.. Bee Wee looks decent

TRich is short and powerful.. catches nice out of the backfield.

J Cameron had a coupla nice catches

Kinda all I can remember right now.. might think of more laters, plus I'm eating a pizza right now.
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 01:36 AM
Thanks for the update bro.
Posted By: clevesteve Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 02:35 AM
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Rubin and Moore are back on the field and look good.




Best news I've heard all day. Well, second-best news.
Posted By: clevesteve Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 01:50 PM
I told you guys he was overrated...

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/51983/steelers-decastro-struggling-physically

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Perhaps the biggest disappointment of Steelers training camp has been the struggles of first-round pick David DeCastro.

Considered the best guard prospect to come out of college in a decade, DeCastro has failed to beat out Ramon Foster, who went undrafted three years ago, for the starting right guard spot.

Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger asked DeCastro whether he was having more difficulty with the mental or physical part of the game. "He said, ‘The mental part I got. The physical is a lot tougher. These guys are really good,'" Roethlisberger told the Beaver County Times.

DeCastro still might end up starting at right guard in Thursday's preseason opener at Philadelphia because left guard Willie Colon is dealing with an ankle injury. That would move Foster from right to left guard, opening the right guard spot for DeCastro.

Foster made it clear that he isn't conceding the starting job to DeCastro.

"You don't want to just passively give away your starting role," Foster told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "This is a world championship team, you want to be a guy starting on that team. We're both going to get better no matter who wins the job. We'll just handle that at the end of camp. Is there a sense of urgency? Definitely. I think it's there for Dave, too."


Posted By: HotBYoungTurk Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 01:53 PM
if the physical part isn't there.. the mind part will dwindle very soon.. PERFECT!!

Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 01:56 PM
Even better is that if the physical part isn't there already, it most likely won't be at all this season. The body can adapt, but it needs time... and he'll be trying to get stronger and better on the fly, which is going to have him hit that Rookie Wall much sooner than normal.

I like it.
Posted By: no_logo_required Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 02:12 PM
yeah, the mental part usually continues to progress through a season while the physical part regresses (less time to workout + injuries).

better that he is struggling now than not.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 02:40 PM
J/C,

Who was the poster who just the other day who said that we should have Drafted DeCastro over Weeden?
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 02:52 PM
That would be POSTERS not just poster. Hell there was a couple that wanted to take him top 10.
Posted By: no_logo_required Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 02:57 PM
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That would be POSTERS not just poster. Hell there was a couple that wanted to take him top 10.




ah yes, but Paco is the one who put it back out there yesterday

Quote:


This just gets me thinking.... If we waited to get weeden until the 2nd round and got Decastro at 22.

Just thnk of our o line for next 5 years. Thomas-pinkston-Mack-decastro-lavao/rookie tackle/FA

That would of been 4 incredible pieces in place







no hard feelings Paco, it was asked, so I'm just answering. feel free to search my username on my pre-draft feelings on Weeden and make me eat crow if I was wrong (please, please, let me have been wrong)
Posted By: OverToad Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 02:57 PM
NRTU, Mourg.

I'd made this statement so many years ago that I doubt many would remember, but I used to carry the banner that stated it was just a matter of time before teams in the NFL brought back a version of the Run and Shoot. Well, some five or six years after the fact, it's happening:

Per PFT:
Titans, Bucs installing Run ‘N Shoot concepts on offense
Posted by Josh Alper on August 7, 2012, 9:17 AM EDT
Jake Locker AP

Earlier this offseason, Titans offensive coordinator Chris Palmer talked about the benefits of a full offseason when it came to installing his offense.

One of those benefits appears to be the use of more Run ‘N Shoot concepts into the playbook. Palmer was an assistant with the Oilers from 1990-1992 when Houston ran the offense under coordinator Kevin Gilbride and the team’s website confirms that aspects of the offense will be in evidence in Tennessee this season.

Palmer’s not the only Gilbride disciple bringing the offense back into the league. Buccaneers quarterback Josh Freeman has talked about Tampa using the concepts, which isn’t much of a surprise since offensive coordinator Mike Sullivan had previously been working under Gilbride as the Giants’ quarterbacks coach. With passing taking on a more expansive role in the league’s offenses, it was inevitable that teams would look for things from an offense that put up huge aerial numbers 20 years ago.

We don’t know exactly how the Titans will implement those aspects this season, but anything that moves the offense more toward spread looks would seem to benefit Jake Locker’s bid for the starting quarterback job. Locker’s ability to make plays on the move lends itself to that kind of offensive look — Freeman’s athleticism would also fit with the scheme — and that could signal the direction the Titans plan to take offensively.

It would be a very different offense from the one that helped propel Chris Johnson to his 2,006-yard season in 2009, but it doesn’t mean talk of a revitalized Johnson has been overblown. Barry Sanders had plenty of success in the scheme and getting the ball to Johnson in space with the defense spread out has the potential to be very effective.
Posted By: no_logo_required Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 03:02 PM
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Titans offensive coordinator Chris Palmer




i'm sure old Houston Oiler fans will love to see the team that abandoned them running their old offense.

it makes sense and the Pats (and others) already use alot of the same types of passing patterns (NFL's spread is more a mix of the college spread and the run-n-shoot).
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 03:05 PM
I remember, and remember agreeing. It's along the same lines of me saying the spread will enter the NFL.

To me, what's wrong with keeping the opponent in a dime defense or be totally mismatched on the outside?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 04:06 PM
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yeah, the mental part usually continues to progress through a season while the physical part regresses (less time to workout + injuries).

better that he is struggling now than not.




I just wonder how anyone can buy into this train of thought on one hand, then turn around on the other hand and talk about "how much better" Pinkston got over the course of the season last year?

That sounds like fuzzy math to me.

Posted By: PitDAWG Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 04:08 PM
And I'd bet money we'll be seeing some of it in Washington with RG3 there as well.
Posted By: no_logo_required Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 04:16 PM
Quote:

Quote:

yeah, the mental part usually continues to progress through a season while the physical part regresses (less time to workout + injuries).

better that he is struggling now than not.




I just wonder how anyone can buy into this train of thought on one hand, then turn around on the other hand and talk about "how much better" Pinkston got over the course of the season last year?

That sounds like fuzzy math to me.






Pinkston's problems weren't physical early on. He was blocking air, or doubling while someone went through, etc.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 04:26 PM
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

yeah, the mental part usually continues to progress through a season while the physical part regresses (less time to workout + injuries).

better that he is struggling now than not.




I just wonder how anyone can buy into this train of thought on one hand, then turn around on the other hand and talk about "how much better" Pinkston got over the course of the season last year?

That sounds like fuzzy math to me.






Pinkston's problems weren't physical early on. He was blocking air, or doubling while someone went through, etc.




JT said it best when he said that Pinkston didn't have the proper footwork for the position last season and footwork goes with hand placement. He also said that he looks like he worked hard this offseason to correct his footwork.

The Dude has a (real) nice punch though and if he can get the footwork down, then I think that he has a chance to be pretty effective for us.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 04:44 PM
Footwork and body positioning were the weaknesses I saw.

I do think it's reaching a little to indicate people can't or won't get stronger as the season progresses. They still have days off with strength and conditioning.

But we do agree on what Pinkston needs to show improvement on......
Posted By: no_logo_required Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 04:53 PM
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I do think it's reaching a little to indicate people can't or won't get stronger as the season progresses. They still have days off with strength and conditioning.




you go from training with weights and conditioning every single day with only the pains caused by that training

to the training a couple days a week while battling through whatever injuries and rest your body needs from practice and games.

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lifting/conditioning during the season is to maintain. if you have to gain, then you are already lost.
Posted By: 1oldMutt Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 06:26 PM
Anyone going to CBS tomorrow night?

I'm going to go up myself and was wondering the best parking spot for the event.
I imagine that although the event is free but parking will empty your pocket for you!
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 07:36 PM
Cleveland Browns' Trent Richardson sits out practice, rides exercise bike
Published: Tuesday, August 07, 2012, 3:11 PM Updated: Tuesday, August 07, 2012, 3:18 PM
Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer


Berea, Ohio - Browns running back Trent Richardson, the No. 3 overall pick in the draft, is sitting out practice today and riding the exercise bike instead.

Richardson is wearing a rubber sleeve on his left leg, but it's not yet known if that's why he's idle. Browns coach Pat Shurmur, who attended the funeral of Garrett Reid today in Broomall, Pa. before returning to practice, will update the media after practice at about 5 p.m. Reid, the son of Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid, died Sunday at the team's training camp.

Richardson, who sat out Saturday's practice with headaches, also wore a sleeve on his left knee on and off during organized team activities in May and minicamp in June. Richardson underwent arthroscopic knee surgery on Feb. 3 to have a torn meniscus repaired and was medically excluded from the NFL Combine later that month.

It's not yet known if Richardson will be able to play Friday night in the preseason opener in Detroit. The only practice before then is Wednesday night's Family Fun at the Stadium, in just shells and shorts.

Other Browns not practicing today include tight end Ben Watson, free safety Usama Young, defensive end Frostee Rucker and defensive end Marcus Benard. Benard walked off the practice field with a team doctor on Monday, with the doctor carrying Benard's helmet. Shurmur had no news on Benard's condition after Monday's practice. web page
Posted By: ThatGuy Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 08:35 PM
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 08:37 PM
He's just a made-of-glass, injury-prone, chump that we reached for. We should cut bait now while we can still get something for him.





There, somebody said it, lol!
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 08:38 PM
Just what we need.........he's missed 2 practices already, out of how many?

Please don't let it be a big deal.......or anything but a scrape, or minor deal.
Posted By: Brownoholic Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 10:27 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...friday-unclear/

Per PFT: Sore left knee. Yeah, yeah, the one he had surgery on. Will be evaluated today, if not already. We should be prepared to see them sit him out against the Lions.
Posted By: legalizewd Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 10:48 PM
Maybe its just taking precautions and Shurmer can use the preseason to let the backup RBs and the WRs get more practice. I want to see the WR battles more anyways. I think Shurmer knows what hes getting in Richardson.
Posted By: ThatGuy Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 10:53 PM
This is where Hardesty comes out looking like gangbusters and everyone goes "well good thing we wasted 4 picks on a Running Back!"
Posted By: DjangoBrown Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/07/12 11:22 PM
Quote:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...friday-unclear/

Per PFT: Sore left knee. Yeah, yeah, the one he had surgery on. Will be evaluated today, if not already. We should be prepared to see them sit him out against the Lions.




1 of the reasons I didn't want to draft him and I remember a lot on here simply shrugging it off as it was "just a minor" scope...a knee scope's a knee scope...especially for a RB

Let's hope this isn't serious...if it is, it could and probably should get Heckert fired...and you know what a Heckert cheerleader I am

Both back to back top picks out with injury...only in Cleveland
Posted By: Heldawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 12:30 AM
I'm not a medical expert.

How long does it take for the staph infection to set in?
Posted By: E.Ryze19 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 01:27 AM
Quote:

I'm not a medical expert.

How long does it take for the staph infection to set in?






Oh God, please don't say that....even joking
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 01:28 AM
Quote:

I'm not a medical expert.

How long does it take for the staph infection to set in?





Well, it's hard to say as there is some complex calculus involved factoring in frequency of visits to the Browns locker room and current distance in meters from a Cleveland Clinic facility.... but, it should be soon.
Posted By: AlwaysABrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 01:32 AM
Wow, I think it was a wasted pick too. Probably going to be made of glass like AP was with that broken collar bone.

Good grief.. How does ANYONE know at this point it's caused by the scope he had. How many RB's have come back from ACL and MCL tears. Happens every year. The dude has be really active since his Proday and probably just sore. Lets wait for the leg to FALL OFF before we write TR off already.
Posted By: DjangoBrown Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 11:54 AM
Nobody is writing him off, but this isn't a good start. If his knee can't last past a couple of weeks of TC without being "sore", well you do the math
Posted By: no_logo_required Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 12:38 PM
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Nobody is writing him off, but this isn't a good start. If his knee can't last past a couple of weeks of TC without being "sore", well you do the math




definitely something to track. however, a meniscus tear makes the knee sore at times during recovery. it depends on how sore and what else is going on with his knee (which they would never release).

for now, let's hope it's just usual soreness and the team is being cautious with one of our prize draft picks.
Posted By: Buckeyed11 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 01:03 PM
i had surgery to repair a meniscus 3 years ago, and on days when i am doing a lot of physical activity, it gets really sore

however, it's not like a "i cant run and cut" sore. if i had to play football, i still could. all it is is sore, not painful. its more like a "stiff" sore that goes away if i keep walking it out or getting on a bike

i am sure this is just mere caution. we know what we are getting with him. i think it would be wise to keep him out of heavy preseason action all together if he is going to be our workhorse this year
Posted By: Brownoholic Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 02:25 PM
Cleveland Browns Training Camp Report: Day 12

by Chris Pokorny on Aug 8, 2012 12:42 AM EDT
in 2012 Training Camp Reports

Fans who attended Day 12 of Cleveland Browns training camp immediately took noticed of the fact that running back Trent Richardson was on the sidelines with a sleeve on his knee. As we reported earlier today, Richardson was held out because of a sore knee and might not play on Friday. As always, the show must go on -- after the jump is the full recap from Day 12 of training camp.

TRAINING CAMP REPORT - DAY 12 (8/7/12)

Carlton Mitchell Returns...But is it Too Late? Wide receiver Carlton Mitchell was already on the roster bubble heading into this year's training camp, and he missed the first 11 days of action due to a leg injury. He finally made his 2012 debut (in terms of sessions open to fans) Tuesday afternoon, and according to reports, he was pretty rusty. Daryl Ruiter of 92.3 The Fan says, "[Mitchell] struggled with routes and catching the football, which are two thing’s he’s had difficulty with since being drafted."

Mitchell's Chances: After practice ended, head coach Pat Shurmur was clear that Mitchell needs to rise to the occassion since he's missed so much time already:

"For him to catch up, he needs to stay healthy, stay on the field in practice and when he gets in the game, make some plays," Shurmur said. "That’s the reality. For guys that miss practice that haven’t proven they can play in this league, they need to practice."

Mitchell will have a chance to jump right back into the spotlight if he delivers in front of large audiences at Family Fun Night on Wednesday and against the Lions on Friday.

Weeden Continues to Deliver: My personal opinion on the Colt McCoy situation: he had the chance to compete, and while he did fine, he was only going to be named the starter if Brandon Weeden looked Tebow-like. Weeden continued to deliver the goods on Tuesday, firing a ball 50 yards in air to the end zone for wide receiver Greg Little, according to the Canton Repository. There were reports of several dropped passes on Tuesday, but they were the fault of the receivers -- second-round pick Josh Gordon dropped a pinpoint pass and was frustrated afterward, according to Ruiter.

Wade Continues to Stand Out: Even though James Dockery has not been "fading," you might be able to say that rookie CB Trevin Wade has been "accelerating" with his share of interceptions and knockdowns. QB Colt McCoy reportedly underthrew a crossing route intended for WR Rod Windsor, and Wade stepped in for the interception.

Tight End Competition Continues On: It's been really tough to gauge where the tight ends really fall on the depth chart because all of them haven't been healthy at the same time. TE Jordan Cameron had another strong practice, making athletic catches whenever he received the opportunity. TE Evan Moore saw some reps with the first-team offense, according to Jeff Schudel of the News-Herald. After practice, Moore talked about whether he was concerned about missing so much time.

Injury Report: The absent players included RB Trent Richardson (knee), FB Eddie Williams, TE Ben Watson (undisclosed), DE Frostee Rucker (leg), DT Phil Taylor (pectoral), DE Marcus Benard (undisclosed), and S Usama Young (hamstring).

Brownies: Practice was pushed back to 2:30 PM (instead of 2:00 PM) and also ended about 45 minutes early, according to reports. ... The Associated Press noted that Reggie Hodges attempted a fake field goal, but his pass to LT Joe Thomas fell incomplete after Ray Ventrone broke it up. ... Colt McCoy returned to playing with the No. 2 offense, and Shurmur even was generous enough to give him one rep with the first-team offense. ... QB Thaddeus Lewis connected on a long pass to WR Owen Spencer with CB James Dockery in coverage. ... The Browns' next practice is Wednesday night, starting at 7:00 PM, at Cleveland Browns Stadium.
Posted By: jeepnstein Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 02:39 PM
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Nobody is writing him off, but this isn't a good start. If his knee can't last past a couple of weeks of TC without being "sore", well you do the math




The math that really matters will be during the regular season. I don't see the need for Shurmur to grind his starters down in camp if they're showing well in camp already. The time is rapidly approaching to start making cuts and I'm pretty sure Richardson isn't going to be one.

If he's reporting soreness then it only stands to reason that they should back off him for a day or two just to be safe. If he misses more than that it'll be news worthy. If he misses Friday's game I'll be surprised. He needs that kind of work right now.
Posted By: no_logo_required Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 03:27 PM
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TE Jordan Cameron had another strong practice, making athletic catches whenever he received the opportunity




really hoping we found our "healthy Winslow"
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 03:29 PM
I was really mad when we drafted him.

I'll be so happy if I can be completely wrong.
Posted By: no_logo_required Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 04:49 PM
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I was really mad when we drafted him.

I'll be so happy if I can be completely wrong.




i'll be happy to say you are wrong on him too.

i'll be happier if you can tell me i was wrong on Weeden
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 05:39 PM
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TE Jordan Cameron had another strong practice, making athletic catches whenever he received the opportunity




really hoping we found our "healthy Winslow"




Lets hope that he can flash in a real game and not just in practice.

He has looked as good as advertized though.
Posted By: GoHooterGo Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 05:53 PM
OMG, is it Friday yet? Better yet Sunday morning (because it's the only way I'll get to watch the preseason game vs Detroit on NFL Network).

I'm loving all of these positive reports, but I want to see these guys in real live action against someone else, lol.
Posted By: FL_Dawg Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 05:58 PM
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OMG, is it Friday yet? Better yet Sunday morning (because it's the only way I'll get to watch the preseason game vs Detroit on NFL Network).

I'm loving all of these positive reports, but I want to see these guys in real live action against someone else, lol.




I'm with you there ... last year all we heard was how good our WR's looked
Posted By: Mourgrym Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 08:00 PM
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I'm with you there ... last year all we heard was how good our WR's looked




Well last year there would be a report of this receiver stepping up and soon as that happened, there would be another report saying that receiver was injured and would be out for an undisclosed amount of time. I think the only offensive weapon that we had that wasn't injured in preseason was Alex Smith and Brian Robiskie lol Seriously everyone else broke, pulled or tore something.
Posted By: DjangoBrown Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 08:20 PM
Ah..remember the "Camp Colt" reports?

What a crap day...talk about shutting down any little enthusiasm I had for this season

With Haden and TRich probably to miss the start of the season (both seem very likely now), we'd miss ALL 3 of our top picks from the past 3 drafts: Haden, Taylor, TRich....that'd be a new low
Posted By: CBFAN19 Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 08:57 PM
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that'd be a new low




Which is really saying something for the Browns! UGGGGHHHHH!
Posted By: ThatGuy Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/08/12 09:53 PM
What people don't understand.

Is that this is just an awesome setup to the opening of our "America's Game" after we win the Super Bowl this year...

Posted By: 10YrOvernightSuccess Re: 2012 Training Camp Stuff. - 08/09/12 03:19 PM
Did nobody go to that family fun night thing last night? I keep checking to see if anyone has a report from it but neither forum has anything. Did I get the date mixed up?
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