Official Day 3 Discussion Thread

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First trade between the Browns and the Steelers since 1968, says ESPN-Cleveland. They are also saying we traded out because the Giants took Nassib, FWIW.

SO since the guy we wanted got picked ahead of us, Lombardi panicked and traded the pick away? Anyone remember Kyle Brady and Craig Powell? Guess who the brilliant GM who did that was??

KING

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So 139, 175, 217, and 221 is what we have, right?

139 for sure-- after that who the hell knows

Yes, and they all better be starters.

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We aren't going to be in the playoffs next year guys.

I actually think there is a possibility we make the playoffs. I expect at least a 500 season.

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OMFG!!!!!

To all the original Dawgtalkers - I apologize. I was looking forward to a rational discussion board but sadly it looks like chicken little and his band of idiots migrated over here as well...

CALM DOWN!!!!! We traded with a rival?! OH NO, How dare we give them an under-sized SS in the 4th for a mid-lower 3rd round pick!

Future hall of famer!! LMAOAYSFI

I think this offseason has been solid so far. This draft was boo-boo to begin with so trading away picks for next years is fine with me. We have filled our front 7 very well, added two offensive minded head coaches that can scheme for the strengths of our QB, added an attacking style defense and a coach that is good enough to make it work. We had a plan going into this draft and are sticking to it.

Lombardi & Banner get an A+ for having a plan and the chutzpah to stick to it! We aren't going to be in the playoffs next year guys. This draft wasn't supposed to get us over the hump. We'll install a new offense and defense this year - struggle here, succeed there - and flesh out our playoff contender in next years draft.

You concede the entire year of 2013 then.
Flesh out our playoff contender in next years draft?

I think anytime you can trade in a pick past round 3 for a pick in rounds 1-3, you should do it.

Totally OK with the move, and if you're worried about Shamarko Thomas "haunting" us for years, c'mon man.

I mean, before they switched the structure of a draft around, wouldn't have been trading in a day 2 pick for a day 1 pick?

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First trade between the Browns and the Steelers since 1968, says ESPN-Cleveland. They are also saying we traded out because the Giants took Nassib, FWIW.

SO since the guy we wanted got picked ahead of us, Lombardi panicked and traded the pick away? Anyone remember Kyle Brady and Craig Powell? Guess who the brilliant GM who did that was??

KING

So you are saying that you would have rather Lombardi make the same mistake rather than do what he did, trade the pick away for a higher pick next year, basically saying that he was a moron from learning from his mistake?

The logic in here is hilarious.

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OMFG!!!!!

To all the original Dawgtalkers - I apologize. I was looking forward to a rational discussion board but sadly it looks like chicken little and his band of idiots migrated over here as well...

CALM DOWN!!!!! We traded with a rival?! OH NO, How dare we give them an under-sized SS in the 4th for a mid-lower 3rd round pick!

Future hall of famer!! LMAOAYSFI

I think this offseason has been solid so far. This draft was boo-boo to begin with so trading away picks for next years is fine with me. We have filled our front 7 very well, added two offensive minded head coaches that can scheme for the strengths of our QB, added an attacking style defense and a coach that is good enough to make it work. We had a plan going into this draft and are sticking to it.

Lombardi & Banner get an A+ for having a plan and the chutzpah to stick to it! We aren't going to be in the playoffs next year guys. This draft wasn't supposed to get us over the hump. We'll install a new offense and defense this year - struggle here, succeed there - and flesh out our playoff contender in next years draft.

Thank you! Well said. So we trade with Pitt for a swap of mid-rounders...big deal. They really are sticking to a plan and I love it! They don't seem like they are making knee jerk panic picks like Heckert would do.

j/c

First, let me say I live in the Syracuse area, am a Syracuse football fan, and have seen every game Shamarko Thomas has played in, while attending most of them.

I like Shamarko, and I wanted him on the Browns.

But at the same time I realize he is more SS than FS, is short, showed no ball skills in college, and was constantly banged up.

So I don't think losing out on him is the end of the world, especially for a 3rd round pick, which is very good value.

Everyone is whining about not having a 4th round pick this year, but think of how unhappy Steelers fans will be when they don't have a 3rd round pick next year.

The Browns didn't just give their pick away, they took something from the Steelers too.

There are more picks remaining, plus UDFAs and veteran FAs who can be signed once the draft is over.

Missing out on Shamarko Thomas isn't going to ruin the Browns season, and having an extra 3rd rounder next year will be of value.

I know the value of next years draft, but it still tells me some things..one they were after Nassib..two I'm getting a Chris Grant image ..blow up the board if your player is gone..
There are still players there who can help.
I'm ticked at this and also we know how well the Stoolers draft..
Phillip Thomas was there..wow!

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First trade between the Browns and the Steelers since 1968, says ESPN-Cleveland. They are also saying we traded out because the Giants took Nassib, FWIW.

SO since the guy we wanted got picked ahead of us, Lombardi panicked and traded the pick away? Anyone remember Kyle Brady and Craig Powell? Guess who the brilliant GM who did that was??

KING

Yea that is what we remember because that was when the franchise was in Cleveland. One year later that trade turned into 2 1st round draft picks and the Ravens turned that into 2 Hall of Famers Jonathon Ogden and Ray Lewis. That is what trading down for future picks can bring.

like the trade maybe ben gets hurts and this is a top five 3rd rounder.

all I know is the TV coverage sucks.
The talking heads didn't even fill us in on the trade.
They just keep talking hit about NY.
Hope they get hit by a bus on the way home.

Yeah the coverage is ridiculous.
trades are being made and they dont even mention it

It's the same every year. Pretty annoying.

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So you would be happier if we took a guy we had, say a fifth round grade on?

This time next year, we're all going to be elated that we have two thirds.

Not at all, I'm just a little confused by the strategy. Trading current picks for future ones is a value proposition. If this was a team like Miami, I would have jumped all over it.....where that pick could have been a round+ better but a division rival? Who hasn't picked higher than #17 in the last 5 drafts (twice picking in the 30's)? and you don't get a pick this year as well? That's just not good value return IMO.

I'm on board with the thought that "we can't fill every hole this year" but we've only made two selections following a (5-11) season. Obviously we got Gordon a year earlier but it still is what it is. It doesn't change we won just 5 games or that we have other needs that quite frankly, could be painful to wait a year on.

Maybe we address some of the other positions with cuts or get lucky on an UDFA / late round pick but delaying selections on a team that hasn't won more than 5 games in each of the last 5 seasons just seems like a poor strategy. Especially when Pittsburgh's past performance tells you that the ceiling on that pick is likely #20 in the 3rd round (barring some catastrophic injury), which wouldn't even be a full round return on sacrificing a current pick for a future one.

We just did what the Patriots always get praised for doing and it's the end of the world for Browns? C'mon People. lets just see how this plays out. Maybe they see plenty of player with similar grades in the fifth round.

Also this doesn't mean we target Nassib, Maybe we were ready to pick a player and the Steelers call the Browns with what they deemed a good offer.

Maybe the FO and coaching staff feel like this is a roster ready to compete.

I believe it is, I believe conservative coaching is what held us down.

Do we have holes? Absolutely, but so does every team.

We are ready to compete, IMO.

Haha...Trading with the Steelers. Followed by them later selecting Landry Jones has to be upsetting some people.

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OMFG!!!!!

To all the original Dawgtalkers - I apologize. I was looking forward to a rational discussion board but sadly it looks like chicken little and his band of idiots migrated over here as well...

CALM DOWN!!!!! We traded with a rival?! OH NO, How dare we give them an under-sized SS in the 4th for a mid-lower 3rd round pick!

Future hall of famer!! LMAOAYSFI

I think this offseason has been solid so far. This draft was boo-boo to begin with so trading away picks for next years is fine with me. We have filled our front 7 very well, added two offensive minded head coaches that can scheme for the strengths of our QB, added an attacking style defense and a coach that is good enough to make it work. We had a plan going into this draft and are sticking to it.

Lombardi & Banner get an A+ for having a plan and the chutzpah to stick to it! We aren't going to be in the playoffs next year guys. This draft wasn't supposed to get us over the hump. We'll install a new offense and defense this year - struggle here, succeed there - and flesh out our playoff contender in next years draft.

You concede the entire year of 2013 then.
Flesh out our playoff contender in next years draft?

Concede? No, I'm not giving up on the season but if you actually expect a team that has been mired in futility for over a decade to suddenly have the lights come on in the midst of a complete and total change of philosophy on offense AND defense you are crazy. I'd love for it to happen but reality is that we will have growing pains.

I DO EXPECT to show improvement and am also expecting a .500 record but that is far from a playoff record. Next year will about about learning who fits where. Where we excel, we we are deficient.

In the 2014 draft our FO will have a clearer picture of where this team stands and what areas should be addressed.

So no, I am not giving up on next year. I am realistically expecting to see a young team struggle early but make improvements down the stretch as they become comfortable in their new schemes. I love the fact that we will have an extra 3rd round pick next year to spend or package and move up.

Use your head, not your heart....

I was just thinking along the same lines. Over the past 10-12 years we would have been the team giving up future 3's for current 4's.

This is a good trade, the Browns add a 3rd round pick next year and weaken the Steelers at the same time.

Steeler fans have got to be pissed, they just traded a division rival a 3rd next year for a 4th this year.

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if the browns would have made the same deal with honey badger that the cardinals did then we should have taken him...

The Steelers have found a replacement for Roethlisburger!

The Bengals are doing well

The Vikings are doing well

The Ravens have filled in about every hole on their defense plus have added depth.

The Browns have 2 suspect additions to their team, and some free agents who will never bring compensatory picks.

Bottom line, this offseason has set the Browns nucleuos of a roster back about 3-5 years of getting OLD and getting less talented.

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Bottom line, this offseason has set the Browns nucleuos of a roster back about 3-5 years

I just want to make sure everyone sees this comment.

Just a thought they may be aguiring draf picks to make a trade for a player they covet from another team. Ryan Mallet?

over Mcfadden? you are nuts

The thing you have to remember about Honey Badger is that Honey Badger don't give a bleep. He's one party away from a 4 game suspension, and two parties away from a full season suspension. JMO, of course.

balt took John Simon, not a good thing for osu fans, now gotta root against a good guy.

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Just a thought they may be aguiring draf picks to make a trade for a player they covet from another team. Ryan Mallet?

yea that's what I said.

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Maybe the FO and coaching staff feel like this is a roster ready to compete.

I believe it is, I believe conservative coaching is what held us down.

Do we have holes? Absolutely, but so does every team.

We are ready to compete, IMO.

I agree with this.

It's hard to see anybody that is going to be drafted from here on out truly compete for a starting role on this team, this year. Why draft people in positions that are beginning to develop with people that haven't shown anything yet ( in these late rounds) ? You get a 3rd round pick next year, which is a person that can come in and potentially replace a starter. Your aren't finding that with these picks right now. Sure, you need people to come in and push the current starters, but if you don't like the value, take the better offer.

So far this draft is
1) Mingo
2) Gordon
3) Mcfadden
4) Bess

This is one of the best (1/2 way PROVED ) drafts the browns have ever had.

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This is a good trade, the Browns add a 3rd round pick next year and weaken the Steelers at the same time.

Steeler fans have got to be pissed, they just traded a division rival a 3rd next year for a 4th this year.

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I know all about trades and who bests whom..but the Stoolers don't need extra stuff to add depth ..they're already set..this worries me no matter what the Browns are doing for next year ,whch is obvious..load up on picks to make moves.

Lost in all of this is Ryan Nassib Sucks and the Browns shouldn't have been going after him.

I don't have to be a naysayer. The Chargers have had a good draft.

I just can't find a way to give the Browns a D- grade. It is an absolute F grade

And I don't know anything about football players, Absolutely Nothing, But I can tell you don't trade away something for nothing, you don't avoid the main chance to add talent for an entire year.
You don't come out of 129 picks with 2 suspect players and a "blah" trade fror Bess.

The Packers have had a nice draft.

Here is a pick I wish Cleveland could had...Kyle Juszczyk.

And we may have missed out on Nassib but Dysert might stil be available for us and I think he projects better into this style of offense better than Nassib.

And who said the Stoolers found a replacement for Worthlessburger? Landry Jones? Ha thats funny

Heres the skinny on "Big Ben's Replacement"
STRENGTHS Prototypical pocket passer with NFL size. Extremely productive. Can stretch the field with his arm and shows good zip on passes to all parts of the field when his feet are set. Quick release makes him very effective in the short to intermediate passing game. Challenging throws in every start, whether threading the ball versus cover-two or connecting on a back-shoulder pattern.
WEAKNESSES Really struggles when under duress. Feels pressure when it isn't there. Not an elite athlete, takes time to get to hand-off spot from under center. Can move out of the pocket to escape pressure, but is usually caught up in traffic and is brought down too easily in the backfield. Confidence waxes and wanes throughout the game and season. Ball comes out of his hand poorly at times, floating across or down the field. Downfield accuracy is erratic, missing open receivers on the run; also misfires on out routes too often. Inconsistent on his touch on fades or throws over the top of defenders. Looks to the sidelines for pre-snap adjustments, looks to be confused by complex defensive looks.
NFL COMPARISON Matt Cassel
BOTTOM LINE The NFL-sized pocket passer can be decisive and flashes the accuracy to pick apart defenses at the next level. However, his tendency to get rattled under pressure is a major issue. Also, when things start to go downhill, he lacks a short memory; his confidence is shaken. He is also inconsistent in his reads and decision making.

Sounds like he gets spooked and is weak in the pocket. The complete opposite of Ben. I would love to see this kid starting against our new attacking defense.

j/c

the real thing is they prob passed on Kenyon Barner (highly underrated) and Poyer (could be a cover safety AND a back up CB) and other guys with giving up that pick. Will that mean anything? time will tell. Obviously they felt no one was worth a pick in this round.

For everyone complaining about that trade, have you guys noticed that the guys being talked about the most ...

Rambo, Poyer

are still on the board going into the 5th.

If we get a 3rd next year and still snag our guy, are we still going to complain?

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And we may have missed out on Nassib but Dysert might stil be available for us and I think he projects better into this style of offense better than Nassib.

And who said the Stoolers found a replacement for Worthlessburger? Landry Jones? Ha thats funny

Did I anything bout Jones?? Open your eyes ,we needed a safety.

I'm seriously suggesting they just gave up. They said, we can't find somebody, we'll give up until next year. Sure looks that way.

Not man we lost out on Shamarko, mad we missed out on the NCAA 2012 interceptions leader at our position of greatest need in Philip Thomas.

All things considered, I'm starting to calm down a bit.. it's going to depend on the next pick for me.. and what we do with that 3rd next year.

Niners just took Lattimore.

I had the niners in our DT draft. They must've liked my evaluation (kidding)
Ah, they got better value for him than I did, lol

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San Francisco 49ers Draft

3rd
93. RB Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina - one of my favorite picks, One of the top Rb's in college when healthy. Very strong, powerful...picked him b/c looks like a Frank Gore clone. Just like Frank knee issues in college. Marcus could keep strengthening the knee this year while Gore starts then take over the reins next year.

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But I can tell you don't trade away something for nothing

Trading a fourth round pick for a third round pick hardly qualifies as 'something nothing'.

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And we may have missed out on Nassib but Dysert might stil be available for us and I think he projects better into this style of offense better than Nassib.

And who said the Stoolers found a replacement for Worthlessburger? Landry Jones? Ha thats funny

Heres the skinny on "Big Ben's Replacement"
STRENGTHS Prototypical pocket passer with NFL size. Extremely productive. Can stretch the field with his arm and shows good zip on passes to all parts of the field when his feet are set. Quick release makes him very effective in the short to intermediate passing game. Challenging throws in every start, whether threading the ball versus cover-two or connecting on a back-shoulder pattern.
WEAKNESSES Really struggles when under duress. Feels pressure when it isn't there. Not an elite athlete, takes time to get to hand-off spot from under center. Can move out of the pocket to escape pressure, but is usually caught up in traffic and is brought down too easily in the backfield. Confidence waxes and wanes throughout the game and season. Ball comes out of his hand poorly at times, floating across or down the field. Downfield accuracy is erratic, missing open receivers on the run; also misfires on out routes too often. Inconsistent on his touch on fades or throws over the top of defenders. Looks to the sidelines for pre-snap adjustments, looks to be confused by complex defensive looks.
NFL COMPARISON Matt Cassel
BOTTOM LINE The NFL-sized pocket passer can be decisive and flashes the accuracy to pick apart defenses at the next level. However, his tendency to get rattled under pressure is a major issue. Also, when things start to go downhill, he lacks a short memory; his confidence is shaken. He is also inconsistent in his reads and decision making.

Sounds like he gets spooked and is weak in the pocket. The complete opposite of Ben. I would love to see this kid starting against our new attacking defense.

JC,

FS Josh Evans is still available FYI

Jacksonville took Denard Robinson, they didn't help out at any of their needs.

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Maybe the FO and coaching staff feel like this is a roster ready to compete.

And that may ultimately be the case.

I'm not proclaiming this will doom the Browns, I just don't think you trade current draft picks for future ones when the expected return is right around even value.

Will the pick be higher? Well sure, it has to be but Pittsburgh went 8-8, even after surviving a rash of injuries, having to start Charlie Batch and Byron Leftwich 4 times. What is their floor with even a reasonably healthy team? 9-7? Which would slot the pick in the 20's? What is their ceiling? 12-4?

Half a round return (max) is decent but again, waiting 12 months would make that about even value to me, that's my argument. The FO is putting a lot of faith in McFadden and Mingo panning out. If they don't, the picks we actually make in this draft might end up being a complete wash.

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All things considered, I'm starting to calm down a bit.. it's going to depend on the next pick for me.. and what we do with that 3rd next year.

We will use it on a more defined need. Lots of question marks this year. The new coaching needs to evaluate all the players they dont know well.

As a Brown's fan, I am loving the Steelers draft. It has flop written all over it. To top it off, we just got a 3rd round pick from them for a 5'8" safety.

Glad we didn't get Wolff. Guy is a big liability in the passing game. Takes really bad angles. He's a solid tackler when he gets it lined up, but he causes a lot of big plays for the other team.

Daniel Wolf Tweeted:

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Take this into consideration. Through 4 rounds #Browns have gotten Barkevious Mingo, Josh Gordon, Leon McFad, Bess & 2014 3rd rndr.

I'm starting to think Cleveland has telegraphed their draft plans. The number of teams jumping in front of us is alaming.

jc...

Likelihood that Johnny Manziel is paying for his own hotel room in Manhattan?

We didn't get a 2014 3rd rounder. We GAVE THAT PICK AWAY!

At least that's what I've read on this board

ESPN draft tracker shows Browns at 164. I thought we were at 139?

Did it just happen again? Anyway, why is there a commercial every time we're up?

Seahawks traded to jump in front of us.

And you're correct, it seems like the Browns have gotten the least amount of air time. Hardly even a mention.

NFL.com still has us at 139.

Banner / Lombardi on the clock

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Just a reminder...

The dudes the Steelers selected was not someone the browns brought in for an evaluation.. From what I recall they brought in Don Jones who is likely to still be available in the 5th.

Y'all are being whiners.

+1

If they moved up to get Nassib, we gave up too much and should have waited for him to drop. If we don't trade up, we were stupid not to. If we draft the 5' 9" safety, we're stupid for building such a small secondary. If we trade out for a better pick next year, we're dumb for giving up a future HOFamer.

Some front offices can't win.

on NFL network we are on the clock at 139

Nfl network has them on the clock.....1:30 left

Just laughing at everyone saying this is a bad draft so far.

Through 4 rounds, we've gotten:

Mingo, Josh Gordon, McFadden, Bess and a 2014 third rounder. Sounds like a great draft to me thus far. Still picks to go too. Quit being prototypical Cleveland Browns fans.

Yeah, this is so weird ... ESPN has Miami on the clock, NFL, us.

Guessing QB Bray? Or fs

PICK!!!

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Just laughing at everyone saying this is a bad draft so far.

Through 4 rounds, we've gotten:

Mingo, Josh Gordon, McFadden, Bess and a 2014 third rounder. Sounds like a great draft to me thus far. Still picks to go too. Quit being prototypical Cleveland Browns fans.

Totally agree. You have 2 proven guys in Gordon and Bess to boot. People slating this draft are doing it because of who is running the shebang more than because any of the picks are bad.

traded

Wow.....or a trade!

Just traded with Indy.

TRADE again

Traded the pick to the colts

not everyone...........jheez

I'D say it's 50/50. I think it's a great draft

trade with AZ!!!!

We just trade another fricken pick away? WTF?

Trade with Indy.

another trade back/out. love it. How do you think the niners got so many. great draft so far.

Everyone remember Phillip Thomas and Montori Hughes. Wow.

trade again!

Dangit. The streak of making a pick in every odd numbered round has ended it appears.

sorry announcers had it wrong

I hope we got another pick for next year.

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I hope we got another pick for next year.

This board will have to shut down.

anyone hear what we got?

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Wow.....or a trade!

Yeah, at this point, it's just puzzling.

This is bad reality TV... OR great horror comedy. Or both.

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Everyone remember Phillip Thomas and Montori Hughes. Wow.

Just to be clear it was Shamarko Thomas, S, Syracuse.

No word yet on what we got.

Lol. Seriously, there's a LOT of new blood on this team. I'd have no problem stockpiling for next year to trade up into the money rounds.

me too. Funny thing is almost everyone admitted pre-draft that this was a really weak year. We pick up extra picks for next year, and that year looks solid. It seems solid to me.

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Just laughing at everyone saying this is a bad draft so far.

Through 4 rounds, we've gotten:

Mingo, Josh Gordon, McFadden, Bess and a 2014 third rounder. Sounds like a great draft to me thus far. Still picks to go too. Quit being prototypical Cleveland Browns fans.

Totally agree. You have 2 proven guys in Gordon and Bess to boot. People slating this draft are doing it because of who is running the shebang more than because any of the picks are bad.

Typical Browns fans mentality. Like Banner said we won't fill all holes this year, we just won't. When the facts are right there, we got A LOT better in this draft. Gordon as a second rounder was an absolute steal. No doubt he would have been a first rounder in this draft.

It's clear the primary objective of the FO for this draft was to stockpile up as many picks as they could going forward. Keep on trading out, wait to get your players. I love it, it's a New England type of draft Philosophy.

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anyone hear what we got?

A fourth rounder in 2014.

The Colts didn't have a 5th, so we're not picking in the 5th, that's for sure.

Maybe Lombardi's board was three players deep and once they were of the board he had no idea who to draft so we just traded the picks away!

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anyone hear what we got?

A fourth rounder in 2014.

So going by the earlier trade....guessing a 4th rounder for next year?

Browns' FO apparently really unimpressed with this years talent pool. We're getting Indy's 2014 4th round pick.

Colts get 2013 5th Rounder
Browns get 2014 kick in the nads

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anyone hear what we got?

don't see a swap of any picks in this draft so has to be another future pick

Well...I guess we are pointing to NEXT YEAR. So I guess 5 wins and last place in the AFC North is what we are gonna get this year. I think I'll run out and buy season tickets.

I know. I'm laughing cuz the board reaction is going to be legendary.

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Well...I guess we are pointing to NEXT YEAR. So I guess 5 wins and last place in the AFC North is what we are gonna get this year. I think I'll run out and buy season tickets.

Yep. Swapping a 5th round draft pick will definitely make or break a season. They just gave up!

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Maybe Lombardi's board was three players deep and once they were of the board he had no idea who to draft so we just traded the picks away!

lol probably the truth

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I know. I'm laughing cuz the board reaction is going to be legendary.

I just thought you were crazy

Maybe Banner and Lombardi are smarter than I thought.

By trading away almost all the picks this year, they certainly can't be fired for draft their selections.

Building foundation for the future just like Banner said. Not a one year plan but a long term plan. This is how successful organizations do things. All the whining is pathetic. Look long term. Stock pile picks and maybe just maybe the QB of the future can be had next year. Don't think Weeden is the man. Teddy Bridgewater come on down.

Mayock likes the moves we're making.

Mayock is the analyst I trust the second most (Behind Bill Polian), for whatever that's worth.

Throw Long's head just exploded.

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Well...I guess we are pointing to NEXT YEAR. So I guess 5 wins and last place in the AFC North is what we are gonna get this year. I think I'll run out and buy season tickets.

Yep. Swapping a 5th round draft pick will definitely make or break a season. They just gave up!

Come on, there was a really good player drafted in the 5th round that one time!

This is just a load of crap! Fire these idiots! Lets beg to get Holmy and Heckert back. lol

I like the trades. The Browns were the youngest team in the NFL last season with quite a bit of young talent. let that talent develop and stock pile picks for next year. If the young talent does not pan out then they have the picks to replace them. If they do pan out they have the ammo to make some spashy moves for next year.

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Just traded with Indy.

Am I watching the Browns or the Cavs and Chris Grant ??
Yeesh...

The best run organization in the NFL, the Patriots, have built their team on this philosophy.

Patriots do it, they're geniuses. We do it, we're idiots?

IDK.

I don't know if I like these trades for their actual purpose, or for the frickin' hilarious meltdowns I'm seeing.

So next year we get
a 1
a 2
two 3's
two 4's

and a year to evaluate needs.

Im ok with that. we cant evaluate anything last year because its hard to see through the Shurmur fog

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Everyone remember Phillip Thomas and Montori Hughes. Wow.

Just to be clear it was Shamarko Thomas, S, Syracuse.

No word yet on what we got.

Shamarko went to pitt with that pick, yes, but Phillip was drafted shortly thereafterby Washington.

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I like the trades. The Browns were the youngest team in the NFL last season with quite a bit of young talent. let that talent develop and stock pile picks for next year. If the young talent does not pan out then they have the picks to replace them. If they do pan out they have the ammo to make some spashy moves for next year.

+1 Exactly

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Well...I guess we are pointing to NEXT YEAR. So I guess 5 wins and last place in the AFC North is what we are gonna get this year. I think I'll run out and buy season tickets.

Yep. Swapping a 5th round draft pick will definitely make or break a season. They just gave up!

No...you are right. It's only a fifth round pick. I guess I'm sick of 5 win seasons. I am curious though, exactly how has this team gotten better in the off season? A couple of free agents on defense that we had to sign because we are changing our schemes again and nothing on offense.....Oh wait...another slot #3 receiver? Jason Campbell? We were in a number of games last year that we could have pulled out. All we have done is tread water. Trading our 4th rounder to the Steelers? I have to believe that they know a little more about finding players in the draft than the Browns ever have because they are contenders every year. I admit it....I have very little faith in this organization because they have done nothing to inspire faith. I 'm sick of "waiting until next year". I'm sure every person on this board understands that.

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Mayock likes the moves we're making.

Mayock is the analyst I trust the second most (Behind Bill Polian), for whatever that's worth.

Same on NFL Network, they liked how they're handling it. If they don't see value with the picks they stockpile and upgrade for the future

and still all those players people wanted are still available.

Gotcha cleve, thought you were naming the exact pick.

Odds we make a pick at #175?

It would seem the Browns are completely happy with their current roster. As is.
We don't need any players this year, we are already preparing for next years draft. Happy that we are is such good shape. Come September we should win lots of games.....

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So next year we get
a 1
a 2
two 3's
two 4's

and a year to evaluate needs.

Im ok with that. we cant evaluate anything last year because its hard to see through the Shurmur fog

That looks pretty damn good. There's enough their to trade into a pick for just about any player we may want next year. Well played.

The pitt trade, fine. But trading an early fifth for a playoff team's future fourth?
If they really think there wasn't anyone worth drafting at two consecutive picks, they're just unprepared.

Loading up on picks like this... Kind of smells like a tank for next year.

Let me look on the Bright side. Well Im not complaining because of who's running the draft.

I'm complaining because of how they are running it. They could do the right thing but they just blew 2 picks for THIN AIR!

Hey, there is a Bright side, why dont' the browns just CHEAT! Because when they do the league will take draft picks away and the Browns don't use them anyway!

The only Bright spot of the above list, Gordon, was taken by the past group of leadrers.

The bottom line is, sometimes you have to speculate and pick a player who pans out above what you thought he would, like maybe Atyba Rubin.

But if you take NOBODY! There's NO CHANCE of that happening.

So the Bright side. At least North Korea hasn't blown us up yet!

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The best run organization in the NFL, the Patriots, have built their team on this philosophy.

Patriots do it, they're geniuses. We do it, we're idiots?

IDK.

It's certainly context. It looks smarter when you're 11-5 every season and not 5-11.

I'm OK with trading, just wish we squeezed a little more value.

Trades for future picks only make sense, in my opinion, if we're then packaging those selections to move up in higher rounds.

On an already young team, I'm not sure what we're going to do with 10+ rookies next season (if we were to stand pat and actually make these selections). I don't expect us to do that but it will be curious if that is the result.

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Kind of smells like a tank for next year.

They've been subtlely telling us this for months.

Of course that was after we were lead to believe that Haslam is one competitive SOB and the losing would no longer be tolerated.

jc

Next we trade oiur 6 rounder for 5th and 7th for 6th.

We keep this trend going and by 2018 we should have 7 or 8 first round picks.

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It's certainly context. It looks smarter when you're 11-5 every season and not 5-11.

This is the first year under this front office.

Our past records can't dictate their philosophy.

I can't help but think that if it weren't Banner/Lombardi, everyone would be really happy with what we're doing.

We trade our high fourth this year for the Steelers 3rd rounder next year. Of course knowing the Steelers that will be a LOW 3rd. So we didn't gain much value there unless the Steelers flat out suck this season. In the mean time we DON'T have another young player to help us this year. Banner must think we don't NEED any more help. Our roster is set. So come September I EXPECT to see some REAL football being played. No damned excuses for not having players.

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Kind of smells like a tank for next year.

They've been subtlely telling us this for months.

Of course that was after we were lead too believe that Haslam is one competitive SOB and the losing would no longer be tolerated.

if we had any other coach rather than Shurmur I believe we would have been a 500 team this past year.

we gonna draft any today?

Should they Fire Joe Banner?

Just asking.

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Kind of smells like a tank for next year.

They've been subtlely telling us this for months.

Of course that was after we were lead to believe that Haslam is one competitive SOB and the losing would no longer be tolerated.

so allt he money we spent in FA and the top part of the draft smells of tank because we traded away 4th and 5th picks?

Then agian if you rfmember last year those 5th and 7th picks we gave up for TR were gold..lol

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We trade our high fourth this year for the Steelers 3rd rounder next year. Of course knowing the Steelers that will be a LOW 3rd. So we didn't gain much value there unless the Steelers flat out suck this season. In the mean time we DON'T have another young player to help us this year. Banner must think we don't NEED any more help. Our roster is set. So come September I EXPECT to see some REAL football being played. No damned excuses for not having players.

They've already told us don't expect much this year.

So you're going to be disappointed.

After another 5-11 season they can say they told you not to expect much.

Take a hike. My comment had nothing to do with what is going on today nor my satisfaction or unsatisfaction with it ...as I haven't commented on it.

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I can't help but think that if it weren't Banner/Lombardi, everyone would be really happy with what we're doing.

I don't think that's untrue....but also wouldn't argue it isn't warranted.

I'm not an anti Banner / Lobardi blowhard but their track record isn't exactly sterling.

For most fans, they'll have to prove they know what they're doing. Guilty until proven innocent.

Just the way it is unfortunately. Doesn't help we're in a division with stellar GM's.

Every year fans watch the Ravens and Steelers methodically churn out good drafts.

Haven't hated the moves the FO has made but they also need to pan out. I'm OK with stockpiling picks if we ultimately unload them for a difference maker.

Tank For Teddy, baby! With the ammo to trade up in case we have some unexpected wins...

The talking heads on the NFL channel defended Lombardi's trading away 2 draft picks because he is a friend of theirs. I'm willing to bet if any other GM pulls this crap they would be seriously questioning it.

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we cant evaluate anything last year because its hard to see through the Shurmur fog

Shurmur Fog ... I like that.

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So next year we get
a 1
a 2
two 3's
two 4's

and a year to evaluate needs.

Im ok with that. we cant evaluate anything last year because its hard to see through the Shurmur fog

That looks pretty damn good. There's enough their to trade into a pick for just about any player we may want next year. Well played.

^^^This.

ok tough guy....

Wrongo. Everyone I read says they are doing it right and applauding the moves.

So if he was hired not to draft somebody and get paid for passing this off as brilliance, it is dumb. Lose a year of development if they make roster. Think we will pick anybody today? So next will be taking a flier on more UFA's for camp?

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The best run organization in the NFL, the Patriots, have built their team on this philosophy.

Patriots do it, they're geniuses. We do it, we're idiots?

IDK.

The patriots comparisons are misguided in my opinion. They are always picking late and trade for futures with mediocre to bad teams. They turned a late third into pick 33 in a trade with Carolina(?) We turned an early 5 into a likely future late 4. Great. How savvy.

This is awesome. There is no need drafting players who are equal or less value already on the team. Browns are joining the herd of San Fransisco, Seattle, and New England running a draft. Banner/Lombardi/Farmer/Chud are saying our coaching staff can make current players better. They are getting better value later knowing this is a weak draft.

Time to focus getting a pro bowl kicker.

I'm not so sure the Steeler's 4th next year is going to be late. I think they're a team on the wane.

One positive I want to add about this draft is that we didn't trade Sheard, Rubin, or Taylor.

MAN, I CAN *NOT* WAIT FOR THE 2037 SEASON! WE ARE GONNA BE *GREAT*!!!

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One positive I want to add about this draft is that we didn't trade Sheard, Rubin, or Taylor.

I've been waiting for that shoe to drop.

I'm happy about that as well.

So what picks do we have left for this draft?

I was talking about the colts trade... We got the Steelers 3.

If Heckert and Holmgren did these exact same moves, I'd be hating every step.

Because the best thing they've done, is get Barkevious, who will be a go through the motions type. The next best thing they did, was "not cut Josh Gordon" , well it isn't anything but at least they didn't cut him. And that WAS H and H.

The 3rd best thing they did was get Bess, but that's suspect and he's already past 26 yrs old.
The 4th best thing they did was bring in (David Johnson, Robinson, whoever, WR from buffalo) which is almost nothing.

YOU REALLY CAN ensure a losing record for the upcoming season by what you do in the April draft.
Steelers just got Terry Hawthorne, who'll be a great corner, a good addition to Cleveland but not good enough to avoid taking over Thin AIR for 2 picks.

Being a Browns fan is the worst thing about being a Browns fan!

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So what picks do we have left for this draft?

Rd 5 - #31(164)
Rd 6 - #7(175)
Rd 7 - #11(217)
Rd 7 - #21(227)

My bad. But I still think that trade might end up being for a middle 3rd, top 80 pick. I agree Indy will be a late pick.

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we gonna draft any today?

Lion, they are doing exactly what you requested.."Don't trade down getting another Center!"

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Time to focus getting a pro bowl kicker.

Kudos, bugs! I was just thinking the exact same thing (and perhaps wondering why we didn't take one much earlieer)...

#164 was previously given away in the trade for DaVonne Bess

Are you sure on that 5th rounder? Not showing on the ticker.

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Are you sure on that 5th rounder? Not showing on the ticker.

I was going by ESPN.....so naturally that is likely wrong.

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So what picks do we have left for this draft?

Rd 5 - #31(164)
Rd 6 - #7(175)
Rd 7 - #11(217)
Rd 7 - #21(227)

We do NOT have the #164 pick, part of the Bess trade, went to pick #217.

So we have 175, 217, 227.

Maybe Lombardi and banner just don't feel good about spytek and company's evaluationssince they spent the majority of the year evaluating for different systems on offense and defense.

I'm on record as to liking the moves of trading out...if you think there is a bunch of 5th/6th round grade talent and you are in the 4th, then trade out or down....no issues. This was a weak ass draft so we'll see

In terms of "giving up" on season or not being able to field a team....um, I think this is the typical disilluionment of people on this board that think that 4th and 5th round pick are going to turn into solid starters and fill all the holes we had.

Browns are at best an 8-8 team with or without these picks....sorry to burst your bubble

Reading this board is the most fun I've had this year!!!!

This team IS better than last year. We will have more wins and MAY (means: maybe,perhaps) compete for a wild-card spot.

If they don't see a player who WILL help us right now, why not trade for a future, higher pick?

A lot of posters on this board have voiced the opinion we won't be a good team this year, yet some of you are ready to jump off bridges and are calling for the FOs heads!!!!!!

Amazing.

Very entertaining.

I can't wait to see what this board will be like when the Browns lose this coming season!!!!

THAT'S IT!!!!
The official Browns site was shut down so we would come on here and replace all the 'fans' who expired after last season!

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The best run organization in the NFL, the Patriots, have built their team on this philosophy.

Patriots do it, they're geniuses. We do it, we're idiots?

IDK.

The difference is, the Patriots are consistently in the hunt for a Super Bowl. Their roster IS pretty much set. On the other hand we are a five win team. We NEED all the help we can get right NOW. Not next year. Unless they don't care about winning games THIS year? The way it looks is, they are happy with our present roster. So I expect a playoff run next year with our team being so talented we just can't find room for another young player.... September is coming quick...

j/c

I wonder how many free agent vets we sign later today.

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I wonder how many free agent vets we sign later today.

Why would we sign anyone? Our roster is perfect as is. We don't need anyone else.

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I wonder how many free agent vets we sign later today.

Well training camp limits are set at 90, with our two draft picks, and Bess we have 67 players currently. So with 3 picks left, if we make them, we would be signing 20. For every pick we don't make, add 1.

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Time to focus getting a pro bowl kicker.

Kudos, bugs! I was just thinking the exact same thing (and perhaps wondering why we didn't take one much earlieer)...

There is time...building for the future. Draft day just ended as Browns Super Bowl. Just think how many Browns fans sat here for three F'n days hoping for a miracle, while Steeler and Raven fans are out at the horse tracks making money!!!!!

Don't forget Kentucky Derby next Saturday!!!!

Well, we still don't have a free safety. I really don't know what it is some of you guys see in Gipson.

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Maybe Lombardi and banner just don't feel good about spytek and company's evaluationssince they spent the majority of the year evaluating for different systems on offense and defense.

I think it is obviously a lack of consensus on players so we are waiting until next year.

And the guy most of you wanted, Rambo, is STILL there.

If he's there in the 6th, when everyone was calling for him in the 4th, that'll be wild.

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The best run organization in the NFL, the Patriots, have built their team on this philosophy.

Patriots do it, they're geniuses. We do it, we're idiots?

IDK.

The patriots comparisons are misguided in my opinion. They are always picking late and trade for futures with mediocre to bad teams. They turned a late third into pick 33 in a trade with Carolina(?) We turned an early 5 into a likely future late 4. Great. How savvy.

The New England Patriots were not always the powerhouse that they are. In 2000 which was Bill Belichick's first year, they went 5-11. In the 2001 draft, they traded their 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder,their 4th rounder, their fifth rounder, 6th rounder, and their 7th rounder. Though, they did trade up a few times, but also used picks they received from the other trades. In 2001, they went on to go 11-5 and won the Super Bowl.

If you like these moves so much, tell me a team that did worse than the Browns in this draft?

What are your thoughts on Kerry Rhodes? I also wonder if Charles Woodson has another year in the tank ...

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And the guy most of you wanted, Rambo, is STILL there.

If he's there in the 6th, when everyone was calling for him in the 4th, that'll be wild.

Would they call Banner and Lombo geniuses then?

If we draft Kasa with our next pick I'll probably pull a Nuk on my living room. I'd rather they draft a kicker.

Eric Hagg is our starting free safety.

Haden, Skrine, Hagg and Ward.

I don't know, it would be a decent salvage. I've been pretty lukewarm on Rambo.

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If you like these moves so much, tell me a team that did worse than the Browns in this draft?

If your view is solely on this year then yes, you would probably rank this draft as a C- or D (F if you don't like the players)....if you look at it over 2-3 years maybe it becomes a B. I personally think the talent in this draft stunk....when people say "depth" I'm not sure that saying a 3rd round pick is as good as a 6th means the 6th round guys are that good or the 3rd round guys are that bad...i tend to think bad especially where the Browns had holes (G, CB, TE)

Ugh, I quit yard work and showered to watch us pick about 1230....

And sat here after the trade to see what we did in the 5th....

Now I sit waiting for our pick in the 6th....

I sure the hell hope we make a pick today. I realize it's a passing league. I hope Lombardi is smart enough to know 'passing' doesn't equate to passing up draft picks.

Now I gotta go out and finish later and take another shower...

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Ugh, I quit yard work and showered to watch us pick about 1230....

And sat here after the trade to see what we did in the 5th....

Now I sit waiting for our pick in the 6th....

I sure the hell hope we make a pick today. I realize it's a passing league. I hope Lombardi is smart enough to know 'passing' doesn't equate to passing up draft picks.

Now I gotta go out and finish later and take another shower...

I think we have a pick coming in the 5th.. 31 at least ESPN says we do.

I'm watching NFLN....Next they have up for us is in the 6th.

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Ugh, I quit yard work and showered to watch us pick about 1230....

And sat here after the trade to see what we did in the 5th....

Now I sit waiting for our pick in the 6th....

I sure the hell hope we make a pick today. I realize it's a passing league. I hope Lombardi is smart enough to know 'passing' doesn't equate to passing up draft picks.

Now I gotta go out and finish later and take another shower...

I think we have a pick coming in the 5th.. 31 at least ESPN says we do.

ESPN's site has been way off all day. I switched over to the NFL awhile ago.

At least you got some yard work done. I'm still sitting here looking at humps of calf-high grass in my back yard waiting for us to take nobody I ever heard of. That seems a bit dysfunctional I guess, but there you have it.

Ultimately, I've stopped caring about draft picks and stopped caring about how the organization is going. I'll continue to watch my team play and cheer them on. Hope that they do well and put something entertaining on the field. However, only time will tell if these current decisions will make any impact. So honestly, it's ridiculous to react to them now when it doesn't matter yet.

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I'm still sitting here looking at humps of calf-high grass in my back yard waiting for us to take nobody I ever heard of. That seems a bit dysfunctional I guess, but there you have it.

That last sentence could be our team motto.

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At least you got some yard work done. I'm still sitting here looking at humps of calf-high grass in my back yard waiting for us to take nobody I ever heard of. That seems a bit dysfunctional I guess, but there you have it.

Actually i think ESPN is right. I think we got this from San Fran for Colt here.

edit: ESPN was wrong.. Dolphins got that pick.. lol forgot about that.

jc

I dont know why people are so upset about this draft. I never get overly excited about 4th and 5th round selections.

The Browns traded a 4th for a 3rd next year, sounds like a pretty good move to me. Look at the players that went in the 3rd compared to the players that went in the 4th. The Browns got the better on this trade.

The Browns traded a 5th for a proven WR Bess, Bess is going to covert some 3rd downs for the Browns, he is going to make Gordon and Little better.

The Browns take away a 3rd rounder from a division rival, so next year when the draft comes up, Steeler fans are going to be bitch1ng about giving a 3rd to the Browns. The Browns will be picking twice in the 3rd and the Steelers are not a team that is going to be picking last next year.

I look at this years draft like this:

1. Mingo
2. Gordon
3. McFadden
4. 3RD next year
5. Bess

Looks like good value to me!!

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J/C

I think there are plenty of good S's left:

Bacarri Rambo Georgia
Jakar Hamilton South Carolina St
Zeke Motta Notre Dame
Rontez Miles California (PA)
Robert Lester Alabama
Daimion Stafford Nebraska
Jamoris Slaught Notre Dame
Joshua Evans Florida
Bradley McDougald Kansas
Jawanza Starling USC
Tony Jefferson Oklahoma
Keelan Johnson Arizona St.

Yeah, the ESPN draft tracker has been slow and wrong all day. But NFL.com gags my computer for some reason, so I'm listening to the radio and getting updates here.

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At least you got some yard work done. I'm still sitting here looking at humps of calf-high grass in my back yard waiting for us to take nobody I ever heard of. That seems a bit dysfunctional I guess, but there you have it.

Actually i think ESPN is right. I think we got this from San Fran for Colt here.

edit: ESPN was wrong.. Dolphins got that pick.. lol forgot about that.

According to NFL.com it's Miami's pick from SF through Cleveland.

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I dont know why people are so upset about this draft. I never get overly excited about 4th and 5th round selections.
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I think people are still mad at the Mingo pick while Milliner was still on the board. It's silly.

jc

Brandon Jenkins is the the best player from FSU this year, and Washington just got a steal.

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At least you got some yard work done. I'm still sitting here looking at humps of calf-high grass in my back yard waiting for us to take nobody I ever heard of. That seems a bit dysfunctional I guess, but there you have it.

Lol, been doing couple hours worth last 3 days. I have a little section that needs edged, then it needs cut again. Otherwise, all edged, weeded, trimmed, sprayed and set.

But it's supposed to rain tomorrow, and I still need to hit up the grocery store. So may be running up and down the yard at 730 tonight trying to fit it in. I ain't leaving until we make SOME pick today.

Been on NFLN all weekend. Todd McShay makes my skin crawl.

My wife always points out all the thinly-veiled homoerotic stuff Mayock says. He just let loose this gem:

"If you're forced to spend 5 minutes with me... Trust me, it's a pain in the butt."

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I ain't leaving until we make SOME pick today.

Yes, and it will be Arnold Schmidlap, long snapper from NE Louisiana Technical Farmers' College-Lafayette.

Food for thought. Andy Baskin tweets:

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What if browns are stockpiling picks to get Johnny football next year?

Speaking of, I've never heard so many dudes talking about other dude's "fluid hips" as I have in the last couple days.

We GOTTA get that guy!

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Food for thought. Andy Baskin tweets:

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What if browns are stockpiling picks to get Johnny football next year?

I think we're stocking up for a franchise QB unless Weeden makes some huge strides this year.

No idea if it would be Johnny Football or Teddy Bridgewater.

Loving this draft. Saving up for nextyear.

I was kind of ticked off an hour ago, but I want Clowney next year so I'm cool with tanking.

Dave why did you mention that? Now I just heard about lack of underwear.

All we have is a 6th and two 7th's.... I don't see any reason to even make those picks at this point. Trade 'em away for something in 2014.

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All we have is a 6th and two 7th's.... I don't see any reason to even make those picks at this point. Trade 'em away for something in 2014.

But we'll miss the Super Bowl if we do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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why did you mention that? Now I just heard about lack of underwear.

Simply helping pass the day!! One thing for sure, great day to make home brew beer watching the draft. Thanks Lombardi!! I'll enjoy this batch during our annual Indy 500 party!!!

Lombardi it's time to bring us a our pro bowl kicker. I see Caleb Sturgis is already off the board. I was hoping Lombardi would get him and punter Jeff Locke.

literally a kicker would be cool. I feel the frustration of many. I just don't think its as bad as many do. I like stockpiling picks. We have strong OL and DL for the first time in a long time. We are solid on the cap. We have young talent. I love our coaching staff. I see a lot to like.

Poyer is still there.

GRAB HIM!

JMO...

Rambo is an OK option. Evans too.
I can't comment on Hamilton, Stafford, or Johnson...haven't watched them.
I like miles as a football player, but the browns can't draft someone with the Steelers logo tattooed on his shoulder.
Jefferson, starling, and Lester stink.
Motta is a SS.
McDougald is a backup in my opinion. Rather stick with Gipson than draft him.

I like Cody Davis. I'd also take Ray Ray at FS. He's comfortable in centerfield.

Bacarri Rambo, S, Georgia
Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State
Alvin Baily, OG, Arkansas

One of those 3.

I think we take Tyler Bray when we pick, they said they would take a QB in this draft and he is still there, the best of who is still left for what that is worth.

I know we have a lot of depth there but I really like Chase Thomas (OLB) from Stanford

Matt Scott, Rambo, Kass, or trade it...

j/c

Let's all take a deep breath here and remember that whoever goes here is most likely a depth player, at best.

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Let's all take a deep breath here and remember that whoever goes here is most likely a depth player, at best.

Poyer can contribute.

Other than that, I agree.

I'm a big fan of Poyer. How he hasn't been picked yet, I'll never know.

Cardinals will take Bray. There goes Kassa...

You'll probably know by Monday.

The reasons guys plummet are kept pretty tight lipped until the draft's over. Then it usually all comes out.

Never ever ever ever ever trade with the Squealers . Makes me sick this draft. Don't care about next year....get off your a#&$% and find a diamond in the rough this year. pure puke !

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Lot more talent in next year's draft.....we have ammo to trade up now for a stud qb or maybe even Clowney.

Finally time?

We picked someone!

There's your safety

Jamoris Slaughter - safety, Notre Dame.

always a commercial!

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww man this 6th round pick suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks!

never heard of him...........any stats?

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Jamoris Slaughter - safety, Notre Dame.

great wasn't he hurt last year?

He missed 10 games in 2012 with an achilles injury. Wonderful!

missed 10 games due to an Achilles injury.

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Jamoris Slaughter - safety, Notre Dame.

Tore his meniscus in his knee in a high school All-Star game and was forced to miss his true freshman season at Notre Dame. Missed the Michigan and Navy game in 2010 with a sprained ankle. Suffered a season ending torn Achilles tendon in his left foot during the third game against Michigan State this past fall.

Injury ravaged career thus far. Interesting selection. Was the 19th ranked safety by ESPN and the 17th that has been drafted.

Ah so an early round talent who slid due to injury! sweet.

They probably could not find anyone willing to give them their 5th round pick in 2014 so the Browns were forced to pick somebody.

AND he's not 6'6"

What a bunch of dunderheads!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mayock thinks he can play FS, versatile (played some LB at ND as well), can play special teams.

Sounds like the entire NFL Network panel likes him.

Never heard of him...wasn't he a backup...6 career pass break ups...umm

Everyone on NFL Network loves it. Interesting.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/385440/jamoris-slaughter

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=84395&draftyear=2013&genpos=SS

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My thoughts exactly...

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Started 10 games at safety, while appearing in all 13 ... did not start vs. Pittsburgh, USC or Stanford ...tallied 45 tackles, including four for loss ... also had an interception, forced fumble and two pass breakups ... had six games with four or more tackles ... had career game against Air Force, notching six tackles, while forcing a fumble and intercepting a pass ... named FBS Independent Defensive Player of the Week following performance against the Falcons ... notched career high in tackles with eight against USC ... had five tackles, including first-career tackle for loss, in a victory over Navy ... also had four tackles in a win vs. Michigan State and at Stanford ... registered career high in solo tackles (five), tackles for loss (two) and sacks (two) against Florida State in the Champs Sports Bowl.

OMG, I forgot this kid! Peeps...Lombardi may have found the next Rubin. This kid is smart, tough, and huge upside. I hope the Achilles injury heals.

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Ah so an early round talent who slid due to injury! sweet.

The crew on The NFL Network really like this pick.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/archive/1633123

09/16/2012 - Notre Dame's defense had a lot of hits in a dominating win over Michigan State. The Fighting Irish, though, had a setback on that side of the ball during their first victory over a top-10 team since 2005. Starting safety Jamoris Slaughter will miss the rest of the season after tearing his left Achilles tendon in a 20-3 win over the Spartans on Saturday night. The senior started the first three games this year and 19 in his career in which he also played cornerback and linebacker. Sophomore Matthias Farley is expected to start in Slaughter's place when No. 11 Notre Dame (3-0) hosts No. 18 Michigan (2-1) on Saturday night. "You lose a Jamoris Slaughter, you're losing an A player," Irish coach Brian Kelly said Sunday. "Matthias is certainly not at the level yet of a Jamoris Slaughter. He's got to continue to develop, but we have a lot of confidence and trust in him. He'll be getting a lot of work back there." - AP Sports

Did anyone select that safety we had in for 2 visits...forget his name but I know he was an expected 6th-7th round guy whom Cincy met with too

http://www.youtube.com/v/wIzEQ1FbJ8M

http://www.youtube.com/v/4foFldOSxYk

Would have prefered Phillip Thomas in the 4th.

C'est la vie

Pats just got LeGarrette Blount for nothing.

for Jeîc Demps.

Poyer & Rambo still available.

Alvin Bailey too...

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Poyer & Rambo still available.

Alvin Bailey too...

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Sounds like the entire NFL Network panel likes him.

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Pats just got LeGarrette Blount for nothing.

that's about what he's worth...nothing.

That's just not true.

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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/archive/1633123

09/16/2012 - Notre Dame's defense had a lot of hits in a dominating win over Michigan State. The Fighting Irish, though, had a setback on that side of the ball during their first victory over a top-10 team since 2005. Starting safety Jamoris Slaughter will miss the rest of the season after tearing his left Achilles tendon in a 20-3 win over the Spartans on Saturday night. The senior started the first three games this year and 19 in his career in which he also played cornerback and linebacker. Sophomore Matthias Farley is expected to start in Slaughter's place when No. 11 Notre Dame (3-0) hosts No. 18 Michigan (2-1) on Saturday night. "You lose a Jamoris Slaughter, you're losing an A player," Irish coach Brian Kelly said Sunday. "Matthias is certainly not at the level yet of a Jamoris Slaughter. He's got to continue to develop, but we have a lot of confidence and trust in him. He'll be getting a lot of work back there." - AP Sports

at least he didnt play against Alabama...

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they like everyone.

Kind of your antithesis huh?

i do like the fact that we stockpiled picks for 2014...

but this team is going to suffer for it in 2013 and you're kidding yourselves if you think otherwise.

this is a 5-11 team if everything goes right this year...and if it goes wrong, we could have the #1 pick next year.

i hope anyone that was crazy enough to buy season tickets for 2013 get's a full refund.

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they like everyone.

Kind of your antithesis huh?

haha, yes!

The team is going to suffer because we didn't pick players in the fourth and fifth rounds?

The draft really does bring out the crazies.

There goes Rambo.

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The team is going to suffer because we didn't pick players in the fourth and fifth rounds?

The draft really does bring out the crazies.

like i said, i like adding picks in next years draft, i really do.

but this team has soooooo many holes and this draft was our last chance to fill those holes.

by giving away those picks, we're saying that 2013 is a throw-away year. and maybe it is. but that is a darn hard pill to swallow.

another lost year in the history of the cleveland browns...before it even started!

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The draft really does bring out the crazies.

and i'm not NEW. i'm one of the castoffs from the cleveland browns board that they shut down.

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but this team has soooooo many holes and this draft was our last chance to fill those holes.

by giving away those picks, we're saying that 2013 is a throw-away year. and maybe it is. but that is a darn hard pill to swallow.

First off...good to hear from you again! Second, if we helped Steelers with a fourth round pick then so be it. Lastly, filling holes from rounds 4-7 is simply a stop gap. Team is full of stop gap it is top to upgrade.

Holes - where? QB - yes, perhaps, but they are better there than last year. Weeden will be better in his second year with an offense that will take advantage of what he does best. That is what Chud does. What other holes? DL - no, OL - no, RB/WR/TE - no, Backers - no, Secondary - not if McFadden pans out. So where are these glaring holes you all refer to that 4th, 5th, and 6th round picks are going to magically solve.

I would say we have holes at QB, G, TE, LB, CB, and S.

But I agree that we're not going to fill them at this point in the draft. Now is when we should be looking for depth, value, and gambles.

Have you seen the list of FAs still available?

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but this team has soooooo many holes and this draft was our last chance to fill those holes.

So you were expecting fourth and fifth round picks to start?

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Holes - where?

if you don't think this team (that went 5-11) has holes, i'm not sure what to tell you...

If you think a 4th and a 5th round pick were good bets to fill those holes I don't know what to tell you. . .

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but this team has soooooo many holes and this draft was our last chance to fill those holes.

So you were expecting fourth and fifth round picks to start?

man, i get it. we added picks for next year. and that is great! for next year...

and i don't think it's a stretch for GOOD FRONT OFFICES to find starters in rounds 4 and 5. rubin (6th round), winn (6th round), cameron (4th round) and pinkston (5th round).

if those picks don't matter, why take picks at all after round 3. turn them all in, we don't need them.

like i said in an earlier post, it's a hard pill to swallow... this is a bad football team who needs all the talent it can find, regardless of the round it comes from.

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If you think a 4th and a 5th round pick were good bets to fill those holes I don't know what to tell you. . .

i just called rubin and winn and told them we didn't need their help any more because they didn't get picked in the first three rounds.

I think good players can be found in rounds four and five.

But doing this. . .

because we have "holes to fill" and traded fourth and five round picks is hilarious. What player is a fourth or fifth round pick starting over?

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If you think a 4th and a 5th round pick were good bets to fill those holes I don't know what to tell you. . .

i just called rubin and winn and told them we didn't need their help any more because they didn't get picked in the first three rounds.

His point isn't that you can't find good players in the later rounds.

He's saying that 4th and 5th round picks are not good bets to fill major holes. And he's correct.

This is a weak draft. We clearly didn't have any names that stuck out to us, value-wise, so we traded for future returns.

We weren't going to be a winning football team this year. If that comes as a surprise to you, that's on you, not the front office. Using a weak draft to stock up for the future is a prudent plan.

What they do with those picks next year remains to be seen.

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I think good players can be found in rounds four and five.

But doing this. . . because we have "holes to fill" and traded fourth and five round picks is hilarious. What player is a fourth or fifth round pick starting over?

i'm not doing this ----->

i'm doing this ------->

because i'm discouraged... the draft is supposed to give fans hope! but i'm coming away from this draft with the hard reality that we have no interest in winning this year. this will be purely a developmental year and there is a chance that haslam loses the team and then 2014 will be a developmental year too for the NEXT REGIME.

i'm just a battered and beaten down browns fan with little hope for 2013. that's all...

Looks they are looking at this season as a tryout season, then make the bigger moves next season. Still think it was dumb to go to 3-4. whatever, just sets us back 3 years. Whats another 3 year rebuild? a tradition for this team.

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I think good players can be found in rounds four and five.

But doing this. . . because we have "holes to fill" and traded fourth and five round picks is hilarious. What player is a fourth or fifth round pick starting over?

i'm not doing this ----->

i'm doing this ------->

because i'm discouraged... the draft is supposed to give fans hope! but i'm coming away from this draft with the hard reality that we have no interest in winning this year. this will be purely a developmental year and there is a chance that haslam loses the team and then 2014 will be a developmental year too for the NEXT REGIME.

i'm just a battered and beaten down browns fan with little hope for 2013. that's all...

Completely agree and understand I feel the same

Hate ESPN coverage. Tell us about us. Dumb.

No way it sets us back 3 years. We have the players right now.

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Hate ESPN coverage. Tell us about us. Dumb.

I agree. I switched to NFL Network long ago.

Personally, I love that we now have 2 third rounders and 2 fourth rounders next year.

People are so worried that we might have to replace Weeden next year if he doesn't work out, well, we just added some additional ammunition if we need to move up to do so in next year's draft. I think that it's obvious that out guys weren't crazy about the middle of this draft, and probably see a lot of UDFA who they have ranked close to 4th - 7th rounders. (not significant enough separation)

I do like trading a 4th for a 3rd, and a 5th for a 4th. That's good value to me.

As far as that Safety the Steelers picked ..... I thought that I heard something about major concussion concerns with him. Is that correct?

Bailey, Poyer, Bray, Stoneburner, Scott would do at this point but I'm sure it'll turn out to be someone we've never heard of

TE is a glaring hole!!! You really think we are solid there? .I feel there was a chance to get one.

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TE is a glaring hole!!! You really think we are solid there? .I feel there was a chance to get one.

I'd be happy with Stoneburner. Would you?

Yup. Let's pick up Stoneburner here. It should be such an obvious pick that no one can screw up. It should be a no brainer.

I think Stoneburner will grow into an excellent pro, Quickly ... JMHO

J./c...

Damn, I wanted Bohanon.

Whoa. It's not Stoneburner!

Armonty Bryant???? DE??? E. Central Oklahoma???

Whoo! Love it!

Mayock loves this pick, too.

I'd imagine we'll probably be able to try for Stoneburner as a UDFA. I'm actually hoping for Bailey or Bray next pick

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Mayock loves this pick, too.

Any decent punters or fullbacks left?

TE OG !!!!!!

I'm intrigued by this guy, posted some big stats but obviously it was against bad competition, good size, I imagine he'll be a pretty big project (but what 7th rounder isn't) but I trust Horton.

Exactly HOW MANY DEs and LBs constitute an ARMY of DEs and LBs? Gee, do we have OTHER needs?

I have to say that I have always believed that the Browns had/have the best fans in the world. Living many years in Louisiana and having to listen to a bunch of hypocrites or also known as bagheads was very interesting, but watching, reading, or listening to some of the fans on here, I really have to question the intelligence of some here.

We all hopefully want the Browns to do well and to win. Chud actually reminds myself of me growing up. I wanted/planned on playing for the Browns and even did a school paper laying out my path, then after that did not work out I moved onto wanting to be a scout for the Browns. I was well on my way and had some very good contacts to get my foot in the door. I put together my own draft publication in 1991 and it was a huge success locally, then when Robert Ryan was at the University of Tennessee State he called me at home and we spoke about what my dreams/goals were. He put me in contact with personnel in the Browns organization, Blesto, National, Mel Kiper (I know what some of you might say, but a contact is a contact), and a few others. I had a huge choice to make thou as what I found out was not good news talking with Robert. I always worried that the time needed/required was not very family friendly and Robert confirmed it. He told me that you basically get 2 weeks off after the draft and you might get a total of 4 weeks to spend with your family the entire year combined. This was also confirmed thru some of the other contacts. Needless to say, I am not a scout, but have followed the draft and done my own drafting for the Browns since 1982.

Anyhow, I for one don't agree with Lombardi and was very upset with his return, but we don't make the FO decisions and we must choose to either accept them and root for our great Browns or we can complain and second guess and some of us show our ignorance. It is just very frustrating having to read thru so much trash on here and I can imagine that for some it is really rather discouraging and/or unpleasant.

I would like to challenge everyone to show what great fans we are thru our intelligence and knowledge of football as well as our Browns. Let's set the standard for class and knowing what we are talking about.

Thanks and GO BROWNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kid sold some pot to a cop and put up monster numbers when he was allowed to play. Gotta youtube him, i'll report back.

GO BROWNS!! 10-6 This year

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I have to say that I have always believed that the Browns had/have the best fans in the world. Living many years in Louisiana and having to listen to a bunch of hypocrites or also known as bagheads was very interesting, but watching, reading, or listening to some of the fans on here, I really have to question the intelligence of some here.

We all hopefully want the Browns to do well and to win. Chud actually reminds myself of me growing up. I wanted/planned on playing for the Browns and even did a school paper laying out my path, then after that did not work out I moved onto wanting to be a scout for the Browns. I was well on my way and had some very good contacts to get my foot in the door. I put together my own draft publication in 1991 and it was a huge success locally, then when Robert Ryan was at the University of Tennessee State he called me at home and we spoke about what my dreams/goals were. He put me in contact with personnel in the Browns organization, Blesto, National, Mel Kiper (I know what some of you might say, but a contact is a contact), and a few others. I had a huge choice to make thou as what I found out was not good news talking with Robert. I always worried that the time needed/required was not very family friendly and Robert confirmed it. He told me that you basically get 2 weeks off after the draft and you might get a total of 4 weeks to spend with your family the entire year combined. This was also confirmed thru some of the other contacts. Needless to say, I am not a scout, but have followed the draft and done my own drafting for the Browns since 1982.

Anyhow, I for one don't agree with Lombardi and was very upset with his return, but we don't make the FO decisions and we must choose to either accept them and root for our great Browns or we can complain and second guess and some of us show our ignorance. It is just very frustrating having to read thru so much trash on here and I can imagine that for some it is really rather discouraging and/or unpleasant.

I would like to challenge everyone to show what great fans we are thru our intelligence and knowledge of football as well as our Browns. Let's set the standard for class and knowing what we are talking about.

Thanks and GO BROWNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Interesting. Guard Garret Gilkey from Chadron State, in Nebraska.

good call

Projected 6th, former tackle transitioning to guard. Now I'm interested to see who gets skipped the rest of the way. Hoping Haslem can use those UT ties for Bray and Rodgers if they slip

Wing from LSU is still there and we could use a punter.

Lets also not forget about:

QB Zac Dysert
WR Roy Roundtree (I believe we have enough WR's thou)
OT Reid Fragel
OG Alvin Bailey
DT Kwame Geathers
LB Chase Thomas
FS Tony Jefferson
DB Melvin White

Well there goes Zac...He now gets to learn from Peyton.

Mr. Irrelevant time...

I hope we're on the phone with Reddick, Reed and Bray!

Would love to see Tyler Bray from Tennessee as a project, love his size and his numbers aren't bad.

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I have to say that I have always believed that the Browns had/have the best fans in the world. Living many years in Louisiana and having to listen to a bunch of hypocrites or also known as bagheads was very interesting, but watching, reading, or listening to some of the fans on here, I really have to question the intelligence of some here.

We all hopefully want the Browns to do well and to win. Chud actually reminds myself of me growing up. I wanted/planned on playing for the Browns and even did a school paper laying out my path, then after that did not work out I moved onto wanting to be a scout for the Browns. I was well on my way and had some very good contacts to get my foot in the door. I put together my own draft publication in 1991 and it was a huge success locally, then when Robert Ryan was at the University of Tennessee State he called me at home and we spoke about what my dreams/goals were. He put me in contact with personnel in the Browns organization, Blesto, National, Mel Kiper (I know what some of you might say, but a contact is a contact), and a few others. I had a huge choice to make thou as what I found out was not good news talking with Robert. I always worried that the time needed/required was not very family friendly and Robert confirmed it. He told me that you basically get 2 weeks off after the draft and you might get a total of 4 weeks to spend with your family the entire year combined. This was also confirmed thru some of the other contacts. Needless to say, I am not a scout, but have followed the draft and done my own drafting for the Browns since 1982.

Anyhow, I for one don't agree with Lombardi and was very upset with his return, but we don't make the FO decisions and we must choose to either accept them and root for our great Browns or we can complain and second guess and some of us show our ignorance. It is just very frustrating having to read thru so much trash on here and I can imagine that for some it is really rather discouraging and/or unpleasant.

I would like to challenge everyone to show what great fans we are thru our intelligence and knowledge of football as well as our Browns. Let's set the standard for class and knowing what we are talking about.

Thanks and GO BROWNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ok, here we go, I am going to bat for Lombardi. I was surprised as well as all of you with the Lombardi hire. We all have that warm and fuzzy feeling for Kosar, Lombardi was a huge part of his departure.

That said.............it is 2013............ Lombardi isn"t here to make our team worse. Get past the old feelings you have and move forward.

I feel the team is in good hands with Banner and Lombardi......... I am stoked about Chud coaching, Norv Turner as OC and Ray Horton as DC. I love our moves in the offseason and the draft.

I am excited, we are gonna rock