"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Landry is far to the left as Hooper settles into the slot. OBJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Baker takes the snap ... Here we go."
Receiver Jarvis Landry is in a knee brace and likely out of the lineup.
Coach Kevin Stefanski announced Monday that Landry suffered a sprained medial collateral ligament on the second play Sunday in the 31-21 win over the Texans. Stefanski called Landry “week to week.”
“Every Time I put this brace on somebody gon have to pay for it in the near future,” Landry tweeted. “#Offline”
Stefanski said “we’ll see” when asked if Landry would be placed on injured reserve, which requires a minimum three-game stay. He also wouldn’t rule out Landry for Sunday’s game against the Bears at FirstEnergy Stadium, but playing seems like a long shot.
Landry was injured on a 9-yard catch-and-run and limped off the field. He didn’t return and his 111-game streak with at least two catches was snapped. It ranks fourth in NFL history.
Landry, 28, has never missed a game in his eight-year career due to injury. His only missed game came last year due to COVID-19 protocols.
Landry is a five-time Pro Bowler with 642 career catches for 7,108 yards and 35 touchdowns. He entered the season feeling great after he wasn’t himself last year coming off hip surgery in the 2020 offseason.
The Browns could be without both their starting receivers to face Chicago. Odell Beckham Jr. missed the first two games as he continues to come back from surgery Nov. 10 to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament. Stefanski said Beckham’s return is independent of anyone else’s status.
Stefanski said no decision on Beckham’s availability for Sunday had been made. He expected to announce the plan Wednesday.
Donovan Peoples-Jones, Rashard Higgins and Anthony Schwartz are next in line at wideout.
The Cleveland Browns announced they have signed TE Miller Forristall and G Tristen Hoge to their practice squad. The make room on the roster, the team released T Jordan Steckler from the practice squad and waived WR Davion Davis, who was on reserve/suspended.
Forristall (6-5, 245) is an undrafted rookie who spent the first week of the season on the Titans' practice squad. The Alabama product appeared in 54 games with the Crimson Tide from 2016-20. He posted 44 catches for 505 yards and five touchdowns. Forristall hails from Cartersville, Ga.
Hoge is a 6-5, 306-pound undrafted rookie who originally signed with the New York Jets out of Brigham Young. He began his collegiate career at Notre Dame, making appearances in six games before transferring to Brigham Young in 2017. He played in 26 games with the Cougars and is a native of Pocatello, Idaho.
Get this, not only did the Broncos beating the Jags, and or Oakland also reaching 2-0 propel the Browns from 3rd to 1st slot in a 3 way tie of KC, Balt. and Browns, pretending the other 2 divisions don't exist, but. including all 4 divisions, if!
If the steelers and bengals tie. And the Browns beat Chicago, and Detroit beats Baltimore, and there are only 2 undefeateds in the afc, if they both lose, and the Chiefs lose, and no other ties occur, Then for 1 week the Browns would have locked up the #1 overall seed, in the AFC, home field and bye week. if all that happened and the season ended after next week.
In reality the Browns are in a tail spin starting with the defense, (Creating Turnovers), and won't even make the playoffs, so I better figure this stuff now.
But remember: we play the Cardinals and then the Broncos on short rest.
"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Landry is far to the left as Hooper settles into the slot. OBJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Baker takes the snap ... Here we go."
For 20 seasons the Cleveland Browns were the worst franchise in the NFL. Botched drafts, terrible performances, inept management—a lot of planets have to align for a team to be that bad for that long. What exactly were the machinations in this factory of sadness? Host Andre Knott (@DreKnott) takes you inside the unbelievable, and often hilarious, story of how the Browns stayed bad while a city and fanbase loved them anyways.
Cleveland Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield underwent an MRI Monday on his injured left shoulder that showed no structural damage, according to cleveland.com. Mayfield briefly left the field and went to the locker room in the second quarter during Sunday’s 31-21 victory over the Texans before quickly returning.
Mayfield injured his shoulder while trying to make a tackle on the Texans’ Justin Reid after throwing his only interception of the game. The 26-year-old signal caller later admitted that his shoulder popped out and that is why he briefly went to the locker room.
“He’s sore,’’ Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said. “He’s doing fine.’’
Mayfield finished the game having completed 19 of 21 passes for 213 yards with one touchdown and one interception. He also rushed for a touchdown in the win, which improved the Browns’ record to 1-1 on the season.
WR Davion Davis clears waivers, signs with Browns practice squad
Jared Mueller follow September 21, 2021 6:30 pm ET
The Cleveland Browns will continue to move pieces around near the bottom of their roster. Sometimes need will lead to a player being added to either the 53-man roster or the practice squad while other times Andrew Berry and company will just be looking to add someone with talent no matter the position.
On Monday, the Browns waived wide receiver Davion Davis instead of activating him from the suspension list. Davis missed the first two weeks of the season with suspension but had given fans some excitement in the preseason. Targetted 18 times, Davis caught 12 passes for 154 yards and two touchdowns.
Perhaps his most exciting catch was this touchdown jump ball against the Jacksonville Jaguars:
Fans wondered if Davis would be kept as the team’s sixth receiver when reinstated and once Jarvis Landry went down with injury assumed he would be added to the 53-man roster.
Instead, as we reported earlier Tuesday, Landry was placed on injured reserve but Ifeadi Odenigbo was signed to the active roster.
Later Tuesday afternoon came a report that Davis had cleared waivers and was signing to the Cleveland practice squad:
The Browns could allow Davis to get ready to play for a week or so before promoting him to the active roster. Currently, the team only has four healthy receivers including Odell Beckham Jr. returning from injury. Davis could also be called up to play off of the practice squad if Cleveland deems him ready to go.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Landry is far to the left as Hooper settles into the slot. OBJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Baker takes the snap ... Here we go."
I can't wait to hear, "And it loos like Virgin is going all the way ........"
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I think it would just be "DEE!" or perhaps call him by his middle name. Javaris Drequis "Dee" Virgin is an American football cornerback... How about just "DEE".
I think it would just be "DEE!" or perhaps call him by his middle name. Javaris Drequis "Dee" Virgin is an American football cornerback... How about just "DEE".
I'm just going to say it... I think you've shown more restraint in this four-line post than you have in a hundred posts discussing actual football. So you are capable of it. I think you enjoy being absurd just to get a reaction.
BEREA — Myles Garrett couldn’t dip because the Texans had too many chips.
The All-Pro defensive end drew a holding penalty last week but was held without a sack or quarterback hit in the 31-21 win. He pointed to Houston’s protection plan.
“You all saw it. I don’t think I’ve ever been chipped so much in my life,” Garrett said Friday. “They pay me too much money and that left tackle of theirs, (Laremy) Tunsil, too much money to mess up the show we were supposed to have one-on-one. But I’ve got to expect this and we’ve got to adjust to it.”
Garrett signed a five-year, $125 million extension in July 2020. Tunsil signed a three-year, $66 million extension in April 2020.
Garrett grew frustrated with the extra attention paid to him and his teammates’ inability to capitalize. The only sack came of a blitz by safety Grant Delpit, and end Jadeveon Clowney had the other two quarterback hits.
“It’s tough watching my teammates not be able to make a play,” Garrett said. “Because when I see an offense keying on me with chips and stuff like that, it’s like, well, they’re taking a player out of the play to stop me, so we have one-on-one. And to see that they’re not making a play, it’s kind of frustrating, because I want to see them go out there and make big plays. We’ve got to get there.
“I’m trying to take up two or three men, however many, to take out of the pass or the run, so we have to take advantage of that. And I know that they’re not always going to do that for me, they’re going to do that for other players as they start making big plays. For right now, we all have to make plays, we all have to earn that respect.”
He expects the same treatment Sunday from the Bears.
“Nothing’s changed from my point of view,” he said. “I’m still healthy, so I think they’ll give me the same kind of respect.”
Coach Kevin Stefanski said Garrett’s the type of player who can dominate any week but acknowledged it won’t be easy.
“He gets a ton of attention. He is getting chipped. He is getting double-teamed,” Stefanski said. “The production in terms of sacks, as we all know, they sometimes come in bunches, but we have really focused on playing solid defense, being true to our rush lanes and being sound in what we do as a defense.”
Garrett expects coordinator Joe Woods to adjust if he continues to be chipped so often.
“Games, stunts, blitzes, just trying to mix up the front so that they can’t just get a key on me on one side or the other,” he said. “Because no matter where I was, left or the right, they were having someone sitting, waiting for me.”
CELEBRITY VISIT
Olympic gold medalist and Olmsted Falls High School graduate Katie Nageotte attended practice and impressed the players with the pole vaulting gold she won this summer in Tokyo.
Defensive backs coach Jeff Howard invited her. She shared her story with the defensive backs and talked to coaches, players and support staff.
Stefanski asked her to address the team after practice and she broke down the huddle.
“Just my second biggest dream ever while wearing my first,” Nageotte tweeted.
TOUGH GUY
Left tackle Jedrick Wills Jr. (ankle) practiced in a limited role after sitting out Wednesday and Thursday. He was listed as questionable on the injury report but is on track to play.
He didn’t practice at all last week but started vs. the Texans and played into the third quarter before the ankle got stiff and he was replaced by Blake Hance.
“He got through it pretty well today,” Stefanski said. “He is trending in the right direction. Ultimately it is a great message to your teammates when you are injured, you do not stay injured and you really fight to get back out there and compete with them.”
Wills tested the ankle before the game last week and was able to play.
“It was a good feeling,” he said. “I felt good enough to play, so why not?”
** Linebacker Sione Takitaki (hamstring) and backup offensive lineman Chris Hubbard (triceps) were ruled out. Center JC Tretter (knee) was listed as questionable but is expected to play.
** The Bears ruled out quarterback Andy Dalton (knee) and listed safety Tashaun Gipson Sr. (hamstring) as doubtful.
EXTRA POINTS
Stefanski challenged the fans to be even better Sunday and to bother Bears rookie quarterback Justin Fields, who starred at Ohio State.
“They have a rookie quarterback starting and making his first start, who a lot of our fans are probably used to cheering for. In this case, we have to make life really hard on their offense,” Stefanski said. “Expect everybody in their seats at kickoff and then really expecting everybody to be loud throughout — do not wait until third down.”
** Stefanski said he was excited to meet former players during Alumni Weekend.
** Chicago’s coaching staff has several Browns connections. Former Browns coach Mike Pettine is senior defensive assistant, former quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo is pass game coordinator/quarterbacks coach, former safety Mike Adams is assistant defensive backs coach and former receiver Mike Furrey is receivers coach.
I'm not saying he was wrong, but I wish Myles would have confined those thoughts to the clubhouse. His teammates might not be thrilled to be called out publicly. I know I wouldn't like it.
I'm not saying he was wrong, but I wish Myles would have confined those thoughts to the clubhouse. His teammates might not be thrilled to be called out publicly. I know I wouldn't like it.
If you watch the video you can clearly tell he was joking.
Garrett is 100% on point and in the right because he's a team leader on the D... the leader on the line... and our highest value D player. Baker does it to the Offense all the time. He's not calling anyone out, just telling them to step up.
I'm not saying he was wrong, but I wish Myles would have confined those thoughts to the clubhouse. His teammates might not be thrilled to be called out publicly. I know I wouldn't like it.
If you watch the video you can clearly tell he was joking.
I'm not saying he was wrong, but I wish Myles would have confined those thoughts to the clubhouse. His teammates might not be thrilled to be called out publicly. I know I wouldn't like it.
If you watch the video you can clearly tell he was joking.
"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Landry is far to the left as Hooper settles into the slot. OBJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Baker takes the snap ... Here we go."
GC. The Browns media: You can't go 5 minutes into a show about the Browns without hearing that this defense hasn't played together. It's the Browns own fault they keep changing everything, this time the defense.
Did you know the Browns defense has new parts that haven't played together?
They can't go 5 minutes into a new day of discussion. It is like an opening statement in a court case. The Browns aren't playing well, but they have a bunch of new pieces on defense, "have you heard they have some new pieces on defense, that haven't played together." "haven't played together? on defense?" " No, new pieces." " New pieces? " "Yes new pieces, and they haven't played together, so. " "Well, I guess we can't expect much then." "No, I mean, why, why would ya expect good play, I mean, they are 'New pieces, and, they haven't played together yet so, " no, no , of course, it's Ok, " Is it ok? if they give up 29 points a a game? " The defense is going to be better but, they have a bunch of new pieces that haven't played together yet." "Oh definetly better." "better? " "yes better, the defense is definetly better, but we have to be patient". "patient?" Yes of course, I mean, there are a bunch of new pieces that haven't played together yet." "new pieces?" "New pieces, but their better pieces." "better?" "Ya better, but they haven't played, together yet." "together? " "Ya, together", but it's going to take some time. "some time? " yes, "how much time?" "Enough time for them to get some new pieces in for the pieces they want to change of the pieces that aren't ready yet because. " because the ones already here haven't played together yet." Ya but it's the defense. The defense? The defense, it has some new parts, better parts? Of Course Better parts, but, But? But they haven't played Toghether? Together! Yet! so. So? So we can't expect them to play well, or we can't expect the defense to be really good. "We can't ?" No! why not? Because, The Browns Defense! has some New pieces! and they haven't played! together! yet! so! if the defense! is not good! "not good?' "ya NOT good!" But, it's OKay! it's ok? Because! " because the defense," Yes the defense, has some pieces that are new and they haven't played together yet. " Well, that's good to know, is the NFL going to change the rules for winners and losers because the Browns defense, has some new pieces that haven't played together yet? " NO! no? No of course not, same rules. "same rules" yes! " But the defense?" "But the defense has some New Pieces, that have not played together yet" "So the defense is going to suck?" "YES!" "Wait, what!? why?" "I've told you 10 times, look you just aren't getting it! listen, the defense is supposed to be bad! Bad? Yes Bad! but! it's better? "Better that it's bad? " Better, Yes! Better, because they are better! "Better?! " Better! But they don't look better? They look" "No! No! Why don't you just buy the company line!!!, The Defense can look HOWEVER! BUT! It is Better! because,! "Because?" Because! We told you! How many times do we have to tell you! your stubborn skull, The Browns defense! has some new pieces! "on defense? " " Yes on defense, that ! have not played" "together?" "Together! yet!" So! So? So! Don't! Expect! the defense! to be good! just admit! they are Better! Because! "because" Yes Because, Because we told you so! "whatever." Browns! Brownsss!!!
Seriously, who gives a rat bird's @ss whether Garret said this or that. No one cared about stomping on us when we went 1-32. By golly, we are the Cleveland Browns! Bless them SOBs! It's time we show our COLORS! Playoffs run through CLEVELAND BABY! We took this s__t for too long. It's time to return the favor! GO BROWNS!!
Only people without a sense of humor, or maturity, would make the obvious jokes on a mans name like such, ehh.. on most days anyway. People with a real sense of humor, look at it and say... C'mon. I mean. For instance! You wouldn't see Tiger Woods doing an elbow pump and biting his lip for a heck ya! after he made a 6 inch put for par after missing a makeable put for birdie?
I once saw a guy call his shot on a < 3 foot waste basket paper toss, and then miss, When he was standing over the waste basket, Now that was funny. Even funnier that he didn't realize and did it more than once, on different days. (Sense of humor.) I don't know how the shows, "Full House" or "Mr.Ed." ever made it past the pilot episodes' they weren't funny either.
When did the Brown go 1-32? Never happened. 1-31-1.
1-31.... and then lose the following Opener, as we always do. That's 1-32.
Browns tied the freaking steelers Tyrod Taylor was the QB Hue Jackson was the coach, I'm handsslapping my forehead here. this is all from memory, am I wrong, because I think I'm not wrong. Browns tied the opener. Remember when they just talked about how the team hadn't won it's opener since Jeff Garcia, they just referenced this tie of the Steelers, 2018? a couple weeks ago.
I know I've heard the 1-31-1 stat several times. Hues's final record didn't included 1-32, it became like 3 33 and 1 or something...
" You have to be able to throw the ball and throw the ball effectively in this league to keep up with the better football teams" Warren Moon. 1,8,12. Yes We Can Yes We Can!
September 9th 2018. Browns and steelers tied 21-21. Tyrod Taylor started, Mason Rudolph started iirc.
Now, to end the 2015 season I'm sure they lost a ton of games in a row, I don't know the most recent win in the 2015 season.
Beginning in the two HISTORICALLY AWFUL RECORDS seasons, 2016, and 2017 coached by Hue, the Brown went 1-15 , winning on near Christmas day, over the Chargers on the blocked punt or field goal(s) that is 1-15 they followed up the next year the 2017 season with an 0-16 record, both consecutively the worst records in franchise history, the previous worst had been 2-14 for the first time in the 1999 expansion year, and before then 3-13 in a few years including 1990/1991 ish?
But beginning the 2018 year, with the stupid ad campaign of the bud light beer coolers, the Browns opening game, Hosting the steelers, they tied, So that the Browns coaching record of Hue Jackson became to that point 1-31-1. Which is greater than 1-32, as bad as it was, I don't want to see it misrepresented.
" You have to be able to throw the ball and throw the ball effectively in this league to keep up with the better football teams" Warren Moon. 1,8,12. Yes We Can Yes We Can!
When did the Brown go 1-32? Never happened. 1-31-1.
1-31.... and then lose the following Opener, as we always do. That's 1-32.
Browns tied the freaking steelers Tyrod Taylor was the QB Hue Jackson was the coach, I'm handsslapping my forehead here. this is all from memory, am I wrong, because I think I'm not wrong. Browns tied the opener. Remember when they just talked about how the team hadn't won it's opener since Jeff Garcia, they just referenced this tie of the Steelers, 2018? a couple weeks ago.
I know I've heard the 1-31-1 stat several times. Hues's final record didn't included 1-32, it became like 3 33 and 1 or something...
Well actually if you really want to get into it - and go from the end of the 2015 season where we lost the final 3 games. Thru the next two seasons at 1-31 ... and then the tie vs Pit and the loss to the Saints in the fist two games 2018 .... That would add up to a record of 1-35-1.
Sounds so much better than 1-32 ... thanks for getting granular.
Happiness doesn't depend on who you are or what you have; it depends solely upon what you think.
We might be looking at a week or two without Newsome.
i think so too
"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Landry is far to the left as Hooper settles into the slot. OBJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Baker takes the snap ... Here we go."
The Vikings are the real deal, will likely be a playoff team for sure. Cannot take them lightly.
I won't say the Vikings are going to roll, because the Browns are pretty arn good. But I'm also High on the Vikings whole year. It's going to be a tough one.
" You have to be able to throw the ball and throw the ball effectively in this league to keep up with the better football teams" Warren Moon. 1,8,12. Yes We Can Yes We Can!
Tried to figure. If the playoffs were today. 3 weeks into the season, >17.percent of the schedule has been played. If there were a selection committee, if the NFL had to play the playoffs, right now! What might happen. This is only concerning the AFC, because until the Browns get to the Super Bowl, the NFC doesn't matter. The NFL has 11 or 12 tie breakers for most situations.
Now, Bengal fan, who I've said, (sure you're in first place, 1 div. game). ya technicually blah blah, because afc this or division that, but if the playoffs were today, only 3 games got played, and the schedules were not equal. There is the strongest case to be made, that conference record, and division record would have to be thrown in the trash in order to be equitable and fair.
The entire AFC would be determined by tie breakers 5-7. 2 teams are 3-0 for the #1 seed and bye, the Broncos' and Raiders. found in the same division. (tie breakers) 1. head to head, not enough data 2. division record, not equal data 3. record in common games, not enough data 4. conference record, not enough data, the NFL would simply have to toss those 4 in the trash. #5 matters, and #7, but the 6th tie breaker, strength of schedule, would also be thrown out for all afc teams did not finish their schedules. (And it wouldn't change results anyways.)
Back to #5. Strength of victory. the combined wins vs losses of the teams a club in question beat. the 3-0 Broncos sov is 0-9, way worse than the 3-0 Raiders sov of 4-5, to much to overlook the Raiders would get the #1 seed and the first round bye. the only other 3-0, the Broncos would get the first Wild card spot and #4 seed.
Which then brings the AFC, to playoff tie break procedure #7. Best combined rank among AFC teams in points scored, and points allowed. Low number wins because you're hoping to be first place and first place, not 16th place and 16 place, a clubs score is the total of both numbered placings. Sorting out all of the AFC teams, to seed the 2-1 teams, if the playoffs were today.
1st Buffalo, first in points scored, 94, 2nd in points given up, 44 which = a 1st place 1, plus a 2nd place 2, for a combined low score of 3, the best in the AFC.
Which means the Bills would get the #2 seed of division winners with a 2 and 1 record and host a First round game. The full AFC. Buffalo 2+1= 3, 1st Denver 6+1= 7, 2nd but with a 3-0 record it wouldn't matter. Browns 4th in scoring with 86, tied for 5th with 60 points given up Browns 4+5= 9 3rd in the AFC would win the division and host a playoff game as the 3 seed. Cincinnati, 8+4= 12 tied for 4th in the AFC would get the 6th wild card seed and open at the Browns. Raiders, 3rd in scoring, 9th in defending tied with 12th combined ranking, are 3-0 and already in so it doesn't matter. The Chargers, 10th in points scored, and tied for 5th in points given up, and with a 2-1 win loss record. 10+5= 15 equals the (1-2 record so doesn't matter patriots, who are 12+3= 15) for next best, So the Chargers would lock up the 7th seed, 3rd wild card spot. Only One other Playoff spot remains, the Titans who win their division being the only 2-1 member of it, and get the 4th playoff spot. Eliminating from the playoffs New England, 12+3= 15th. 1-2 record Chiefs, 2nd + 16th= 18th. 1-2 Tennessee 7th + 12th= 19th; (3 way tie) but they win their div. Ravens 5th + 14th = 19th tied, (2-1 no playoffs) Texans 9th + 10th = 19th tied 1-2 no playoffs Steelers 14th + 7th= 21st (1-2 no playoffs) Colts 11th + 11th = 22nd. 0-3 Jets 16th + 8th = 24th. 0-3 Dolphins 15th + 12th= 27th 1-2 no playoffs. Jaguars 13th + 15th= 28th 0-3 no playoffs. (The 8th tie breaker is this formula for placing among the entire NFL but first they consider in your conference.)
That's if the playoffs were today. Browns 3rd in the AFC, not 3rd in the AFC north by the numbers. 1. Raiders with the bye 2. Buffalo 3. Browns 4. Titans 5. Denver 6. Bengals 7. Chargers (Chargers at Bills) (Bengals at Browns) (Broncos at Titans) Raiders get the bye.
Now! In actuality, they need to show up and beat the teams that these numbers show they are better than, like the Division and AFC foes, because the Ravens and Chiefs might not lose.
And hosting the Bengals in Round 1 who would have thought? Now the Bills and Titans, they're always in the mix. Hopefully the Browns beat a 6-0 Broncos team to drop them to 6-1 and lift the Browns to 6-1, in 4 more weeks. On Thursday Night no less.
This could perhaps mean Newsome may miss some time with that calf injury
" Now here you are running these dirty old streets tattoo on your neck fake gold on your teeth, got the hood here snowed but you can't fool me, we both know who you are"
Is there going to be a extra playoff spot for each conference this season again? Or was that a pne time thing?
" Now here you are running these dirty old streets tattoo on your neck fake gold on your teeth, got the hood here snowed but you can't fool me, we both know who you are"
Is there going to be a extra playoff spot for each conference this season again? Or was that a pne time thing?
Yes. That's the plan going forward -- seven teams from each conference.
Excellent
" Now here you are running these dirty old streets tattoo on your neck fake gold on your teeth, got the hood here snowed but you can't fool me, we both know who you are"
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
The Chiefs signed Josh Gordon, The Buccaneers signed Richard Sherman, the old safety from the seahawks.
" You have to be able to throw the ball and throw the ball effectively in this league to keep up with the better football teams" Warren Moon. 1,8,12. Yes We Can Yes We Can!
At the end of the day we are all just human and we all have ups and downs.
I know when I said I had cancer I couldn't believe the outpouring I received from the people here on this stupid board it's humbling. So I truly understand.
All the people who I grew up with family, the phone calls the expressions of love it humbles you and I will always say this the measure of a life well lived is to have loved and to be loved. It truly is the secret to a life well lived.
I understand what it meant to him and what ultimately it means for the organization and how truly special it all is and has become, damned proud of my Browns and yes the people that support them cause they got it just right on this one.....
Welcome home Takk......
BTTB
AKA Upbeat Dawg
Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
"When I first walked back into the D-line room, the whole D-line started clapping for me. That was a cool moment because it shows it’s a brotherhood," McKinley said. "I was gone for a while dealing with stuff, and as soon as I walked in everybody started clapping. They were excited to have me back, so that made me feel real good."
McKinley held back tears as he watched his teammates rally around him, lifting him up and letting him know they had his back no matter what.
I was vocal and said at the time that I doubt he ever plays a snap for us. I thought he had flaked out or something and checked out. I need to learn to hold my tongue and have patience. If the team knows and is Ok, then I need to just accept that they know more than me and I have no opinion until I have more facts.
Reading this, and reading the reactions the other guys had in the middle of camp, and his emotional reaction to them.... this team IS a brotherhood. They have the camaraderie that binds guys for the rest of their lives.
Fear us, for we have Hughlett
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
"When I first walked back into the D-line room, the whole D-line started clapping for me. That was a cool moment because it shows it’s a brotherhood," McKinley said. "I was gone for a while dealing with stuff, and as soon as I walked in everybody started clapping. They were excited to have me back, so that made me feel real good."
McKinley held back tears as he watched his teammates rally around him, lifting him up and letting him know they had his back no matter what.
I was vocal and said at the time that I doubt he ever plays a snap for us. I thought he had flaked out or something and checked out. I need to learn to hold my tongue and have patience. If the team knows and is Ok, then I need to just accept that they know more than me and I have no opinion until I have more facts.
Reading this, and reading the reactions the other guys had in the middle of camp, and his emotional reaction to them.... this team IS a brotherhood. They have the camaraderie that binds guys for the rest of their lives.
it seems pretty apparent between Chubb and Hunt that this team is just built different.
This team is building what most championship teams all claim they had. The time has come for the Browns to become a crown jewel in the NFL. Haslam tried and failed many times, but he got it right this time. I got a feeling a lot of the players on this team will want to stay when their contracts are up. This is the beginning of a great legacy
He has always been a very emotional player. I recall the night he was drafted, he took a picture of his recently passed grandmother (who raised him) up to the podium and was very emotional.
I hope he overcomes his challenges. He has had a rough life.
More importantly you can see it in how they go about their business.
It's about each other being the best they can be and helping each other to that end and building a team and organization where everyone knows success.
It has been as many of you may know my belief that this team is about to go on a run that when the smoke clears will be one of the great dynasties of NFL football.
The Browns are a new type of team, one other organizations will try to copy....
Yeah like Clem said pinch yourself because it is that good.
You can call me crazy if you like but I will support this team thru thick and thin, because I know they have greatness at their finger tips.
Enjoy the ride this is going to be fun................
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Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
Is Odell Bechkam ever going to be a main reason the Browns won a game?
Will the Browns figure out the passing thing before I die?
Bottom line, Browns must win 6 of the next 6, 8-1, or they most likely miss the playoffs. Can't figure out Lamar Jackson. Can't figure out how to get in FG range in 3 plays or less. Still in 3rd place. Swept 2 whole divisions last year, never got out of 3rd place until the final game. The System is set up to hate Ohio.
Here's an article from the Athletic regarding Oline rankings. I'll drop the link (I believe it's behind a paywall, though), and summarize as the article isn't really conducive to cut-and-paste. The portions in quotes are the chunks I lifted straight from the article. https://theathletic.com/2855505/2021/10/...s-falling-down/
Browns have the #1 line at this point (3 games). They have the least total pressures, and are near the top in the other metrics.
"These results are one of the wilder anomalies of this study. The Browns are the best in keeping heat away from Baker Mayfield, and yet he’s one of the more sacked quarterbacks in the league. Here’s the more telling stat: Of the 190 players fitting the qualifications, Cleveland is the only team without an offensive lineman with five or more pressures allowed through three weeks.
Tackles Jack Conklin and Jedrick Wills have allowed four pressures each. Tackle Chris Hubbard skewed the numbers when filling in for Wills with a rough Week 1 outing (three pressures, one sack in 36 snaps). Guards Wyatt Teller (three pressure) and Joel Bitonio (one), along with center JC Tretter (one) round out a stout pass-protecting unit.
The Browns also rank 30th in pass snap percentage at 52.4 percent. But when they do pass the football, Mayfield typically isn’t pressured too often."
Vikings are #2 on the list. They seem to allow more pressures but take less sacks than we do.
"There’s no wonder why right tackle Brian O’Neill landed a monster contract at the beginning of the season. He’s one of nine qualified linemen without surrendering a pressure so far. It’s even more impressive given he’s taken the most offensive snaps of those nine with 208 snaps.
Tackle Rashod Hill leads the team with eight pressures (tied for 31st overall), giving up three pressures each in Week 2 at Arizona and Week 3 vs. Seattle. Guard Ezra Cleveland gave up three of his five pressures in Week 1 at Cincinnati. Center Garrett Bradbury also struggled against the Bengals, allowing a single-game team-high four pressures. Guard Oli Udoh has been the most stable with four pressures on Kirk Cousins."
Chargers' line is tied for 6th. Steelers are 9th Bengals are at 14th, but the author has his reservations about that, and points out they run the ball a lot. Ravens are ranked 28th, and that's almost totally because of their tackles. The Villanueva experiment apparently hasn't been going well.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I was assuming that was simply a clip of where he literally won the game off that busted end-around... forgetting he had gone off pretty much all game.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Clearly the players support each other and believe in the team.
Berry and Stefanski are joined at the hip.
Have to give credit to the Haslams. They have come a long ways as owners.
We should be a good for a long time.
I sure hope we can win it all. I know how hard that is. And I know you need a little luck as well.
The days of torture are over.
I am going to enjoy the ride.
I think Dee might be the brains of that family operation.
I remember not long ago when there was a big call for the Haslams to sell the team. (too whom I don't know)
I always thought that was rather short sighted.. I wasn't happy with them, but I also decided that all they were doing was turning everything over and over until they found the right folks... It took them a while, but they finally did it I think..
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“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
It seems like things stabilized more when Dee got more of a say as opposed to Jimmy. I think he also felt pretty damn embarrassed by - not only the whole Pilot scandal - but also that exposé that Sports Illustrated(?) put out there about how dysfunctional things were under him and his meddling.
DePodesta seems to also have been a more stabilizing influence as well. Paul has seen a whole lot of drama, but you never really hear his name associated with any of it. It was pretty apparent that Dorsey had an eye for talent, but also wanted to be top dog and got pretty territorial about it. His departure I believe was the last step toward cohesiveness.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
It seems like things stabilized more when Dee got more of a say as opposed to Jimmy. I think he also felt pretty damn embarrassed by - not only the whole Pilot scandal - but also that exposé that Sports Illustrated(?) put out there about how dysfunctional things were under him and his meddling.
DePodesta seems to also have been a more stabilizing influence as well. Paul has seen a whole lot of drama, but you never really hear his name associated with any of it. It was pretty apparent that Dorsey had an eye for talent, but also wanted to be top dog and got pretty territorial about it. His departure I believe was the last step toward cohesiveness.
Dee's been involved since they bought the team so I doubt her being more prominent means much. That was done because of the crapstorm at Pilot Flying J.
Now it might be safe to say that the son in law being hired was the x factor.. I don't know.
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"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Is Odell Bechkam ever going to be a main reason the Browns won a game?
Will the Browns figure out the passing thing before I die?
Bottom line, Browns must win 6 of the next 6, 8-1, or they most likely miss the playoffs. Can't figure out Lamar Jackson. Can't figure out how to get in FG range in 3 plays or less. Still in 3rd place. Swept 2 whole divisions last year, never got out of 3rd place until the final game. The System is set up to hate Ohio.
Wow, three games in and you got all kinda problems... Yikes
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"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
She definitely ramped up her involvement after all that happened. You started seeing her more in the news toward the culmination of everything starting to go wrong in ‘16 and ‘17.
I don’t think very highly of JW3 just based on his level of involvement and how he acted when things were going south. I’ve always been under the impression with him that he’s basically a remora. He’s been dealing with uniforms and marketing and whatnot. Maybe I’m wrong, but I haven’t been a huge fan of his.
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After Monday Night football, the NFL has finished 4 weeks, all teams, the 7th NFL tie breaker for the AFC. Combined ranking of a teams points score and points given up. Low score better. (Previous week: Bills 3, broncos 3,Browns 7, Bengals T12, Raiders T12, Chargers T15, Patriots T15, Chiefs 18, Titans T19, Ravens T19, Texans T19, Steelers 21, Colts 22, Jets 24, dolphins 27, Jaguars 28) And the New week update: After week 4; 1. Bills 2 2. Browns 8 3 Ravens 10 T4 broncos 11 T4 chargers 11 6. Bengals 14 7. Raiders 15 8. Patriots 16 9. Chiefs 17 T10. Titans 19 T10. Colts 19 12. Steelers 20 T13. Jets 25 T13. Jaguars 25 15. Dolphins 27 16. Texans 28
" You have to be able to throw the ball and throw the ball effectively in this league to keep up with the better football teams" Warren Moon. 1,8,12. Yes We Can Yes We Can!
Tried to figure. If the playoffs were today. 3 weeks into the season, (page 2 of this thread)... The NFL has 11 or 12 tie breakers for most situations. Strong case others would be discarded until these. The entire AFC would be determined by tie breakers 5-7. 2 teams are 3-0 for the #1 seed and bye, the Broncos' and Raiders. found in the same division. (tie breakers) 1. head to head, not enough data 2. division record, not equal data 3. record in common games, not enough data 4. conference record, not enough data, the NFL would simply have to toss those 4 in the trash. #5 matters, and #7, but the 6th tie breaker, strength of schedule, would also be thrown out for all afc teams did not finish their schedules. (And it wouldn't change results anyways.)
Back to #5. Strength of victory. the combined wins vs losses of the teams a club in question beat. the 3-0 Broncos sov is 0-9, way worse than the 3-0 Raiders sov of 4-5, too much to overlook the Raiders would get the #1 seed and the first round bye. the only other 3-0, the Broncos would get the first Wild card spot and #4 seed.
Which then brings the AFC, to playoff tie break procedure #7. Best combined rank among AFC teams in points scored, and points allowed. That's if the playoffs were After week 3. 1. Raiders with the bye 2. Buffalo 3. Browns 4. Titans 5. Denver 6. Bengals 7. Chargers (Chargers at Bills) (Bengals at Browns) (Broncos at Titans) Raiders get the bye.
After week 4 played, the #5 tie Break Strength of Victory comes into play a lot to sort out the 3-1 teams. I'll put sov4 for example to represent a clubs teams they've beaten combined for 4 wins themselves = their, strength of victory. high number better. Sos, is the w-l of all teams you played, win't or lost, that's tie break 6. which comes into play at the end btween the Broncos and Bengals. .. Best I can figure if the Playoffs were this week. 1. seed, Bye, Chargers, sov.7 earliest tie break. 2. seed Ravens, sov.5 5 wins by clubs they've beat brings them from missing the playoffs last week, all the way to #2 seed and the AFC North div. this week. 3. seed, Bills, 3-1 next div winner at 3-1 4. seed. Titans, div winner at 2-2 then the wild cards.. 5. seed. Raiders, sov.5 the teams they've beat have won 5 6. Browns, Sov: Strenght of victory, 4, the teams they've beaten have won 4 7. seed. comes down to two remaining 3-1 teams, the Broncos and Bengals at tie break #5 both have a sov.2
But tie break #6, strength of schedule, the Bengals whole schedule opponents record combines for a record of 4-12, while the Broncos whole schedule of opponents record combied for a record of 5-11. Advantage Broncos. Broncos #7 seed Cincinnat no playoffs, (Broncos also have the #7 tie break combined ranking in points for and points against vs. the afc. over the bengals. (Broncos at Ravens), (Browns at Bills), (Raiders at Titans), and LA Chargers get the bye. if this week. What a difference a week makes. Edit: The only point is to build a power ranking list.
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Headline should be. Browns let Elijah Lee get away
DAvion Davis is signed by the Texans.
The Browns sign some lousy OL from the Texans PS. Like they need another OL< they Aren't using the ones they have!! putting out a Left freaking Tackle on a bad leg that will escalate to an injury they can't ignore.
This system doesn't get real players. This system does't 'keep' real players.
Surprised about Lee,, he seemed to play well on Sunday
Yeah, same here. I'd rather see Lee play and Wilson get lopped.
Wilson has graded out better than Lee, for whatever that's worth. Seems like Wilson has played better by not playing as much, and with Anthony Walker coming back possibly this weekend...Mack Wilson still probably won't be playing a lot.
Headline should be. Browns let Elijah Lee get away
DAvion Davis is signed by the Texans.
The Browns sign some lousy OL from the Texans PS. Like they need another OL< they Aren't using the ones they have!! putting out a Left freaking Tackle on a bad leg that will escalate to an injury they can't ignore.
This system doesn't get real players. This system does't 'keep' real players.
I swear Throw your parents must have dropped you a lot..................
Gee dude you don't really believe you have a better handle on the Browns then the people we have in charge, really?
I know better, just wave at the sky and go on by...............sheeeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
BTTB
AKA Upbeat Dawg
Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
This system doesn't get real players. This system does't 'keep' real players.
We've had some crispy hot-takes on here lately, but this one absolutely takes the cake.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
like someone made a chocolate and turnip cake from rye bread mix
Thanks. I needed a good vomit.
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Headline should be. Browns let Elijah Lee get away
DAvion Davis is signed by the Texans.
The Browns sign some lousy OL from the Texans PS. Like they need another OL< they Aren't using the ones they have!! putting out a Left freaking Tackle on a bad leg that will escalate to an injury they can't ignore.
This system doesn't get real players. This system does't 'keep' real players.
Just how many times did your parents spike you on your head on a cement floor?
Some don't care about the Browns roster moves, I DO! That day was a bad day for the Browns roster moves, unpopular opinion or not.
" You have to be able to throw the ball and throw the ball effectively in this league to keep up with the better football teams" Warren Moon. 1,8,12. Yes We Can Yes We Can!
Didn't Lee make it back to the practice squad? So we didn't lose him.
Davion Davis was the preseason darling, but the WR room being what it is means we didn't have room for him.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Yeah Lee will most likely be back and forth all year IMO
"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Landry is far to the left as Hooper settles into the slot. OBJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Baker takes the snap ... Here we go."
Some don't care about the Browns roster moves, I DO! That day was a bad day for the Browns roster moves, unpopular opinion or not.
Name which WR on our roster that Davis is better than.
Also, name which LB we should have cut to keep Lee, who we didn't even lose.
Spot on!
I like Lee and Davis.
Davis won't displace any WR on the 53.
I like Lee better than M Wilson...BUT...I don't think Wilson would make it back to our PS. Not because he's 'so good' or 'better'...just a recognizable name and a former 'surprise fall' draft pick.
It's a good problem to have...one I can't recollect ever having...at least STR.
In years past, our GM's would continually churn the bottom of our 53 and names would just come and go. They'd barely be worth noting.
Today, every last name on the 53 contributes and is valuable. It's a strange place to be, and definitely more than a little weird to be so worried about perhaps losing Player 53, lol
Fear us, for we have Hughlett
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I think the bottom-roster churn is still going to happen, but to a much less degree. The FO still needs to find guys (ex. Lee) that can jump in when needed. That is a never-ending task.
I think before, the churn was also to possibly find guys that could displace starters.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I think the bottom-roster churn is still going to happen, but to a much less degree. The FO still needs to find guys (ex. Lee) that can jump in when needed. That is a never-ending task.
I think before, the churn was also to possibly find guys that could displace starters.
To add to your and Purp's comments:
We even have guys on the PRACTICE SQUAD that could be called up on Sundays and actually be active.
Twilight Zone Browns-style...but in a good way...finally.
Just a question: Earlier in the season we talked about how teams can protect a few practice squad players.
Just how does that work?
I am not saying Davies should have, or have not been a protected player, receiver is a fairly well stocked position and the waiver wires are usually full of decent enough receivers to replace Davies.
Just wondering how that works and when, if ever we might invoke that option?
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
The NFL also added a new wrinkle to the practice squad that provides teams with some limited protections for keeping practice squad players. Teams can designate four players every week that are protected from being signed by other teams. This protection starts on Tuesday each week, so every practice squad player is still available to be signed to the regular roster of another team after their team’s game that week until the deadline on Tuesday.
So, Davies was nabbed in between. Also, I have little doubt that his agent gave us a heads up to give us an opportunity to sign him, but there just isn't room on the 53 for him right now, so we lose him.
We have more good players than roster spots.
Fear us, for we have Hughlett
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Hard to believe how good we seem to be drafting now. Wow.
Mostly. I am not totally sold our evaluation of linemen on either side of the ball are the best. That is college scouting. We seem to do will with the free agent veteran type players.
It's still early so my comments aren't in stone by any means.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I think we hit our eval of Wills out of the park, and were going against some engrained philosophies when we did it.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I think we hit our eval of Wills out of the park, and were going against some engrained philosophies when we did it.
Ok...a first rounder, and I don't know if it is out of the park or not. I am not going to even try to compare Wills to Thomas. That said, I would be surprised if Wills is select to 2-3 pro-bowls.
To me Wills is a solid player, and I am good with that, but I don't think he is a top of the league LT.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
While I do agree with you, Joe Thomas was a generational player at the LT position. So IMO you could say almost the same thing about nearly every LT drafted since Thomas.
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I think we hit our eval of Wills out of the park, and were going against some engrained philosophies when we did it.
Ok...a first rounder, and I don't know if it is out of the park or not. I am not going to even try to compare Wills to Thomas. That said, I would be surprised if Wills is select to 2-3 pro-bowls.
To me Wills is a solid player, and I am good with that, but I don't think he is a top of the league LT.
Do you mean Joe Thomas or Andrew Thomas (the "NFL-ready" tackle in Wills' class)? Comparing to the latter makes WAY more sense than the former. IIRC, early returns has our Wills as best of his class. But more on topic was our eval pegging him as a legit LT despite all the RT vs LT discussion going on.
I'm not saying the guy is a finished product or anything, but to view a rookie (1st rounder or not) LT come in and start and play well right away as anything other than a win is not right.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Headline should be. Browns let Elijah Lee get away
DAvion Davis is signed by the Texans.
The Browns sign some lousy OL from the Texans PS. Like they need another OL< they Aren't using the ones they have!! putting out a Left freaking Tackle on a bad leg that will escalate to an injury they can't ignore.
This system doesn't get real players. This system does't 'keep' real players.
Chris Hubbard will undergo season-ending surgery to repair his triceps injury, a league source confirmed for cleveland.com. NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport first reported it.
Headline should be. Browns let Elijah Lee get away
DAvion Davis is signed by the Texans.
The Browns sign some lousy OL from the Texans PS. Like they need another OL< they Aren't using the ones they have!! putting out a Left freaking Tackle on a bad leg that will escalate to an injury they can't ignore.
This system doesn't get real players. This system does't 'keep' real players.
Chris Hubbard will undergo season-ending surgery to repair his triceps injury, a league source confirmed for cleveland.com. NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport first reported it.
Just a hunch but Hubbard might have played his last snap with the Browns.
"We'll see how much Brat...errr..........Baker improves w/out Hue in his way."
LB Anthony Walker from IR to active roster, as expected DE Joe Jackson signed to PS after being cut Thursday Standard game elevations for Jackson and S Jovante Moffatt
Headline should be. Browns let Elijah Lee get away
DAvion Davis is signed by the Texans.
The Browns sign some lousy OL from the Texans PS. Like they need another OL< they Aren't using the ones they have!! putting out a Left freaking Tackle on a bad leg that will escalate to an injury they can't ignore.
This system doesn't get real players. This system does't 'keep' real players.
Chris Hubbard will undergo season-ending surgery to repair his triceps injury, a league source confirmed for cleveland.com. NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport first reported it.
Just a hunch but Hubbard might have played his last snap with the Browns.
That's what everyone said last year,, yet, here he is again.
But, depending on what they find in the off season to replace him, yeah,, he could be gone
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“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Headline should be. Browns let Elijah Lee get away
DAvion Davis is signed by the Texans.
The Browns sign some lousy OL from the Texans PS. Like they need another OL< they Aren't using the ones they have!! putting out a Left freaking Tackle on a bad leg that will escalate to an injury they can't ignore.
This system doesn't get real players. This system does't 'keep' real players.
Chris Hubbard will undergo season-ending surgery to repair his triceps injury, a league source confirmed for cleveland.com. NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport first reported it.
Just a hunch but Hubbard might have played his last snap with the Browns.
That's what everyone said last year,, yet, here he is again.
But, depending on what they find in the off season to replace him, yeah,, he could be gone
Because he took a massive pay cut( about $15M, as one of the many dumb Dorsey contracts) to remain employed by the Browns. I suppose he could take another one.
"We'll see how much Brat...errr..........Baker improves w/out Hue in his way."
I think he is well worth what he is being paid. He can fill in at either tackle positions or G. I agree that if we can find a suitable replacement at a better value we will move on. But I think we could say that about most of our roster.
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