DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2022 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 20 Falcons 23 post game

Our defense should be embarrassed

Our playcalling was really questionable IMO

They took away our screen game and it destroyed us … props to them

Wasted opportunity for a w, but I knew we were up against it.

That sucks

defense.....defense completely choked in the 2nd half. no guts. nobody dug deep. nobody played well.

fire joe woods.

look at the rushing total for the falcons in the 2nd half.

over 165 yards in the 2nd half. the defense couldn't stop a nose bleed.

I'm not a smart man, but I do know that 3pts KS passed up in the 1st qtr would've been helpful

ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE play calling the last series. RUN THE BALL!

They beat us at our own game.

the game was tied at half. and we had a 3 point lead, but the defense just got ran on after we we scored. i cant be mad at what happened in the 1st quarter when all the choking came in the 4th.

14 straight successful running plays to essentially close out the game. Inexcusable and unacceptable. Someone needs to be held accountable and it starts with Stefanski. The are no excuses why this team isn’t 4-0. Brissett has proven he can’t close out. Hence the backup designation. No real blame there.

At some point, Stefanski has to take ownership of his bad play calls. Second, we went into the seaon, weak at DT, and it shows!!.. Call Suh now or we will have this problem all season. Also, our tackling was horrible all game.

yea JB showed why he's a backup unfortunately. i dont care who is covering Cooper, you give your best receiver targets. He just didnt look Coopers way all game.

Doh.
I’ve been pleasantly surprised by JB’s play but we brought him in to not make mistakes. He took a sack and then threw the int when he absolutely couldn’t. That’s two game ending ints in a row.

That said, as the game was on the line and we only needed a few yards to get within Yorks’ distance, RUN THE DAMN BALL!

Stephanski is a poor play caller ... but he will get yet another pass this year because of the Watson fiasco
Joe Woods defense is too soft
This team is poorly coached and situationally ill-prepared
This team will be too far gone to make the playoffs even if Watson goes 6-0 when he comes back
Haslam is going to have a tough decision at years end regarding this coaching staff. If it were me I would tell Stephanski, give up play calling or there's the door.

I think we saw the real Jacoby Brissett ... it was a tale of two halves today.

Simply put, this is not the right staff and FO, the sooner we get rid of it, the sooner we can try to get the right ones. Other teams have proved you don’t need 3 years. Only coach on this staff I would keep is Callahan.

regardless, competent coaching has us at 4-0

I think we saw the real Kevin stefanski offense today, and it = choke 4 weeks in a row.
with a 58 yard field goal Heimlich,
and a pittspuke stunk even worse Heimlich the other week.
No Heimlich today.

Offense only got 3 points on 4 out of I2 drives.
It's always the offenses fault always (almost)

AFTER FOUR YEARs WHYYYYY ARE THEY sTILL GOING TO Harrison BRYANT IN CRITICAL sITUATIONs?

H Bryant, 3 touches two more attempts all but one = negative outcome.

Look I will say that the last series was not the best by #7... but the Stefanski screens did not help. And the D allowed the Falcons to run down their throat!!.. Playing d is about desire.. Our D showed it had no fire!!... and why not tell Brissett that we are going to use 2 plays via the headset

Stefanski blew 10 points in 1st half.This loss is on his head.

Head Coach not learning from the past
Owner not learning from the past.

The Offense having the negative drives goes back to 2020, every overtime first drive of overtime in any game in 2020
the drive was negative.

The offense being coached like not up to par, goes back to the playoff win year of 2020.
and you can see it.

The offense haz been a letdown for 25 yearz, 35 maybe.

They killed us when they figured out they could run the ball on us, at will. Ugh!

I am TIRED of Watching NICK CHUBB stand on the sideline especially in crunch time or in the Red Zone ... I am afraid Stafanski won't be here next year he waste talent and Watson is coming This FO will want a more open offense. Chubb rushed for 6.2 YPC and we throw on second and goal at the one ... smh

Thix head coach, over 30 gamez way too many timez goex to Harrizon Bryant in crunch time playz.
What did Harrizon Bryant do today?

Stefanski lost to Arthur Smith, who coaches a team expected to be a bottom 5 team. Let me repeat that. Stefanski lost to Arthur Smith. Completely outcoached.

The Browns are an average team with an average coaching staff.

I like Stefanski. I really do. I don't want to start over at head coach. But he's responsible for the whole operation. It's not working on the defensive side of the ball. He's responsible for it all. This was the easy part of the schedule. We should have been 4-0, no less than 3-1. If you have to force him to make a change on the defensive side of the ball, then do it.

The Browns are average in every way except rushing offense. It is what it is.

Btw, Vers, this is why I struggle to be positive.

Once again there is a WIDE OPEN WR in our secondary in crunch time JOE WOODS !!!

Only a few yards to get into field goal range with plently of time. RUN THE DAMN BALL!

Stephanski going for it instead of taking points, and passing on the one yard line. The coach lost this game

j/c...

- This loss falls squarely on the coaches. Stefanski was exceptionally bad today.

- Not taking the early three points came back to bite them. Poor decision making when your playing short staffed on defense. Take all the points you can get.

- Browns were running the ball down Atlanta's throat so naturally Stefanski abandons that and gets pass happy. Arthur Smith was smart enough to stick with what worked.

- Joe Woods' defense got absolutely gashed by practice squad players. Embarrassing.

- Hard to believe how bad that game plan was after having ten days to prepare for this game.

- Brissett came back down to Earth today. Chucking balls all over the place. Took a sack when you absolutely cannot take a sack. Tosses game ending INT.

- For three years now the two minute offense is painfully bad.

- Browns got the ball back on the final drive and Stefanski is calling plays like there is 30 seconds left on the clock.

- The offense in goal-to-goal situations was offensive to watch.

- The Browns offense left a lot of points on the field today.

- A 2-2 record with this gifted cupcake schedule to open the season is really disappointing.

- Game ball to Nick Chubb for another great game and hilariously having his family up in the nosebleeds.

There may be rough waters ahead with the upcoming schedule.

j/c:

Brissett's game today helped towards regressing to his mean performance.
Not having Garrett or Clowney on the DL clearly showed.
Joe Woods is still not impressing me after a few years.
Thought Jedrick Wills had a really nice game in the highlighted plays I saw.
Thought JOK had a really nice game in the highlighted plays I saw.
Thought Delpit had a really nice game in the highlighted plays I saw.
Expecting to be a clear underdog at home vs. the Chargers

This roster was a bit over rated in the typical Schedule game
Played. This was not a 4-0 or 3-1 team as predicted by
Many. 2-2 is what this team is.
Did JOK make any plays today. ? He is very over rated
Atlanta oline was pimp slapping the Browns dline when
It had too. The defense is a bunch of names but it's soft
As a unit

Joe Woods' defense gave up 13 points in the 4th quarter. That's 50 points now given up in the 4th quarter through 4 games.

THIS

Stefanski is always owning and learning.

When will he have learned?

We are still in first place.

Steelers are in last place.

Another weekend another beer won't cure these blues!

GET IT RIGHT COACH OR GET OUT!!!

Says it all....

Sinks in after the twelfth lesson!

On the Deep pass to DPJ that ended up at the 2 yard line - I thought 'Man - maybe Brissett is really this good' ... it went down hill from there.

Defensive woes continued - MG and Clowney out really hurt both run and pass D. But it goes beyond that. I've been down on Woods for a long time - there have been games when we shut good teams down, but overall I'd say we have a body of work that shows us losing out to bad teams much more frequently.

Stefanski didn't manage the game very well - and once again in a game where the run game was working, working, working, he went pass happy. 🤮

Better have a bounce back game and put it all together next week.

Ward mentions in his presser about the communication again

Seems someone needs to stand up and take ownership of being a communicator and get the squad on the same page


I don't understand why there isn't more Chubb and Hunt together out on the field

The last possession should have been Chubb and Hunt pounding the ball towards the endzone

See.....I think he is doing rather well.

- I've really been a fan of his play calling and, personally, love how he goes for it on 4th down.
- He doesn't have his starting QB which we all know is THE main ingredient to a successful team.
- He didn't have Clowney the past two games; Garrett in this game.
- No Anthony Walker, one of the highest graded LB though two games this season.
- There are clear issues with Joe Woods (maybe this is where Stefanski could learn the most from)

For me, Stefanski isn't the problem. If Watson were starting from the jump, I'd bet this team is 4-0 and there wouldn't be much of a fuss.. We have a backup starting for this team.....it is what it is, unfortunately.

Amen, we keep following the analytics, 6 better than 3, and NOW we've lost two games by 3 pts. Wonder if he'll learn.

I don’t understand this: we have the ball on the 1 yard line. First and goal. Brissett is the master Qb sneaker … why not?? hell, do it 4 times!

Defensive Line is overmatched, undersized and does NOT hustle in pursuit very well at all. Very sad that in our two losses could easily be wins with better coaching and situational awareness. We gave up another huge chunk play while in zone AGAIN in the 4th. Joe Woods scheme is not only ineffective, his game day play calling is suspect at best. I understand that we were - Myles and Clowny, but we were in nickel way to much against a QB that is NOT a good passer. WTF, at least dial up a few blitzes make him process things faster which is a big weakness for Mariota and when he throws a lot of picks. A real crap outing for a team that had 10 days to prepare.

The only thing somewhat to still be hopeful about ...

There are no really good teams in the NFL. Everyone is beatable.

I don’t understand this: we have the ball on the 1 yard line. First and goal. Brissett is the master Qb sneaker … why not?? hell, do it 4 times!

This game highlights the tenuous grip kS has on this team.

If I were haslam, this is what would be in the works for tomorrow morning:

Woods will be met at the door. Escorted to his office and allowed to pack a box. Then walked to his car and watched until he was off the premises. This a$$hole has squandered an all-star roster and fielded a dis-organized mess after 3 years of “leading.”

I would then meet KS in his office. He would be asked why in the hell he has fallen on the hand grenade for this coach as he took this all-star roster and made them the laughingstock of the league. I would demand an adequate answer. And it better be good.

I would then demand that the play calling be handed to Alex. Non-negotiable. If this is a problem, then we’ll wish you luck in your next endeavors.

The goodwill that KS earned in his “coach of the year” season is officially gone. He is, and should be, on the hot seat. There should NOT be any discussion of injuries and challenges they have faced this year. That is BS and a cop out. We have a roster most teams would kill for.

They have managed to build a championship roster. Berry did that and he should be safe - for now. I hate the Watson trade and if it doesn’t directly lead to a Super Bowl, I’ll question this front office. Even still, Watson is a dirt-bag and it will absolutely taint any success we have for me. I digress. Obviously, there are holes. Every team has them. And We do. But this team has the talent to win and it doesn’t. This is the coaching staff. Woods has had this team for 3 YEARS! And they look LOST! This defense is indefensible.

You want to let this crap go down on your team, haslam? Fine. But we deserve better. And if this Head Coach won’t course correct, then you have to. How many $hit sandwiches are we supposed to be forced to eat? How long before this torchured fan-base finally has enough? How many rebuilds, coaching changes, roster rebuilds and embarrassments do we have to endure?

I wish we as fans could quit this team for a while - truly hit this ownership in the wallet for once. But it won’t happen. They know we are too committed to this team. They know it’s a culture. And that’s why they know they will never be held accountable.

I know this is was week 4, but I am as disheartened as I’ve been in years.

What about Priefer ?

Another unnecessary loss mostly because of bad decision making from our coaches.

j/c

Who DIDN't see this coming. Sure, our D was down a few starters. Sure, our O is starting a backup qb. A qb who has the ability to look good at times. And bad at times.

Not taking the field goal on the first drive - great drive. I get the mentality of "we're going for a W", but how many times has this bitten us? Too many. Points on the goard is the goal.

D, again, missing some starters, but doesn't every team deal with that? The flat out inability to stop the run? Letting the falcons do to us what we were supposed to do to them?

Questionable play calling, d being totally out of position too often?

I'm not a 'blame' person. It happened.

When the one announcer was talking about the 2 falcons coaches that "grew up watching the Buckeyes on Sat, and the Browns on Sunday", and "if the Browns won it would be a good week, and if they lost, it would be a bad week?"

Wife happened to be in the garage when that was said. All I said was "then they lived in the world I live in."

Ticked off. No more excuses. No more "wait til we're at full strength" bull.

Lost a 100% totally, completely winnable game today.

I understand you are the messenger,so do not be offended,but,
Ward needs to STFU.He flat out stinks.He did get an interception,good,but the non call on his obvious PI saved his but on the 1st drive.Not to worry,he made up for it when he failed to set the edge on atlanta's 1st TD.Horrible run support.
He got his money,no need to get hurt.

Meh, we are what we are. JB played more like a backup today. KS's play calling is still suspect. Woods is an awful DC. We had several guys out. We just are what we are.

Meh, we are what we are. JB played more like a backup today. KS's play calling is still suspect. Woods is an awful DC. We had several guys out. We just are what we are.

This.

The Browns are an average football team with an average coaching staff.

It is what it is.

How about Nick Siriani? After his initial presser I thought there was no way he would be successful. But he's gone out and beat the teams he was supposed to beat with a QB that everyone said wouldn't be any good. I wonder what he would have done with the Browns against the Jets and Falcons.

Heck Stefanski is a 58 yd fg away from being 1-3 against the easiest schedule in the NFL.

#incompetence

I'm not going to rant and rave as I have done in the past. We could easily be 4-0 and the talk of the league. We're not. Today was another disappointing loss in a long list of them. Not as Bad as the Jets loss but not good. We were down too many good starter's for this game and still nearly won. I can't understand why this team fails so badly in the 4th Qtr. game after game when our coaches know what the problem is. I mean they have to know right it happens all the time and they don't fix it? DW"s return is not going to fix this. It has to be done now. 2 losses by 4 points; the difference between being on top of the league undefeated and what we are. It makes me sick and be prepared my fellow Browns fans because now it's going to get harder.

Its simple, this FO and Coaching staff aren't going to be the ones to get us where we want to go. Same issues since game 1, bad coaching on defense, bad situational playcalling on offense, and lack of talent in the front 7 and receiver. Berry gets too much love IMO, this is just as much his issue as anyones. You can't go into the year with tommy freaking Togai as your starting DT.. Our DT's and LBs are some of the worst if not the worst in the league.. This was evidenced today by watching a team realize that if we attack them with the run game its over.. Don't think the other 31 teams don't see the same thing. We are toast. Berry has done nothing to address this, despite guys like Suh and Blake Martinez sitting there and could immediately help. Then on the offensive side you have cooper and then a bunch of guys that might be good enough for ST for most teams, so what is going to happen when they just double him and make other guys beat him. Berry sticks with losers too long and doesn't admit his mistakes. Majority of the talent on this team was brought in by Dorsey. Berry has done his best to break it down to almost unwatchable. Tons of great young coaches in the NFL, we need to stop settling for average, and Stefanski is barely that and Woods can't even see that from the rung hes on. Biggest thing outside of playcalling is these players aren't getting coached to be better, either that or we are drafting low ceiling guys. Not going for the FG in the 1st drive and then having a 1st and goal at the 1 with the best two backs in the NFL and come away with only 3 shows how bad stefanski really is.. He has no feel.

I won’t join in the coaching hatred - maybe a little - but I would have kicked the FG early, and I’d never ever try NJoku on an end-around. That looked awful.
KS tries to get cute sometimes, perhaps he grew up playing too much Madden.

I think we need to keep Berry and Stefanski, but Stefanski needs to recognize or be forced to recognize he needs to make changes on his staff.

But Stefanski is responsible for the entire operation. He's 2-2, and nearly 1-3, against the easiest schedule in the NFL. That's not a good look.

It would be the most Browns things ever to clean house after the season when a career backup QB was the starter for 11 games of the season. However, it's absolutely fair to criticize Stefanski and the coaching staff when it is deserved. Coaching cost the team today. That should not happen.

My biggest concern is, assuming the losses mount with the upcoming schedule, is Haslam gets trigger happy and fires everyone without a plan.

I do believe/hope everyone in the organization had/has realistic expectations and that the season was pretty much shot once Watson was suspended for 11 games. Stefanski got the win he needed to and that was against Carolina.

**Wildcard Scenario**

Haslam loses patience and works behind the scenes on his own offering Sean Payton the keys to the castle to takeover. Browns once again are the buzz of the NFL off-season.

We’re still in first place. We aren’t firing anyone. I know that losing a sucks , but we had key defenders out this week.

Stefanski has to stop doing the Belichek act and start evolving
As a coach. Great he won coach of year. That matters very
Little now going forward.

The lack of 3 defensive players has nothing to do with bad coaching and horrible play calling the last series where it mattered the most.

Hot take...

The defense didn't lose the game today. The offense did. Left too many points on the field. Cannot do that in a game where you're down key personnel on defense. Take all the points you can. Should have put up 30 points today.

Arthur Smith and his staff owned Stefanski today. They made Atlanta's D look like the 85 Bears at various points in the game. Brissett had no intermediate throws available to him today. Nothing easy. If Stefanski can't scheme anyone open, what value is he bringing to the table? That's supposed to offset all of his inadequacies as a head coach.

Stefanski beat Stefanski today. Arthur Smith did his job and ran the ball because it was the obvious thing to do today.

Side note, Arthur Blank looks a Batman or Bond villain. I cannot decide which.

Yeah, falcons owned us in the coaching dept. today. And I’m a fan of KS. But they were a step ahead of our offense all day.

Screen game shut down. Cooper negated. Goal line stuff sniffed out.

Stefanski beat Stefanski today. Arthur Smith did his job and ran the ball because it was the obvious thing to do today.

Side note, Arthur Blank looks a Batman or Bond villain. I cannot decide which.

Alright alright, you don't need to say it twice!

This post game drivel is Stefanski's "they battled" excuse. I have to do better, I have to learn, blah blah blah. What the HELL are you doing Kevin? Because you sure as HELL aren't learning a damn thing. You are KILLING this team: With your play calling, your game management, your refusal to hold your coaches accountable, etc. You are a mediocre play caller at best and you have NO business being a head coach. Because you suck at it. I'm SO tired of these on the job trainees at head coach. Jimmy - FIND ME A HEAD COACH!

Because Stefanski continues to want to prove to all of us he is smarter than everyone else in the NFL and has to be creative. He sucks. I'm tired of his inept play calling. So tired.

I thinkwe've had enough of the analytics. But thanks Kevin. You suck.

The city of ATL adores Arthur Blank. He is a great owner.

2 pages and nobody yet has mentioned that Jacoby Brisset didn't seem to know where to go with the ball on drop back passes inside the opponents ten yard line.
on 4 out of 4 times, Maybe number 5, or number 4 was the low percentage overthrow in the corner.

( one read, neh, give up on the play/pass, then the whole play disintegrates and you scramble into improvisation. ) In the red zone; in scoring position.

What do the fine folks of ATL say, "Batman or Bond villain" look alike?

I say Batman villain if in pinstrip suit.

We were waiting for you.

We had two mind numbing calls outside of the red zone stuff … the end around to Njoku?? And the flea flicker screen on the goal line? Haha , just dumb

The end around to Njoku was maddening. I know he's athletic and all, but he has a lumbering gait. I'm not sure what they were hoping to get out of that play.

Yeah it was just so .. odd?

And if I had one question to KS: Brissett’s best ability is his Qb sneak. We had 1st and goal on the 1 two different drives. Why not just try it down there?

If we truly are following analytics, wouldn't analytics tell the staff that JB is something like 8 for 8 this season on 3rd or 4th down and short, mostly by sneaks. IF we followed analytics, seems to me we wouldn't roll out on first and goal at the 1 or 2.

Right now, as this team is and how we're playing I can't see us winning any of the next 7 games. I hope I'm wrong, but I think our season is going to get very ugly.

I think we’ll squeeze out a win or two, but as soon as Watson was suspended beyond 4 games (imagine if his suspension woulda been over right now) our season was basically over. The NFL made sure we wouldn’t be relevant down the stretch this year. That was our own doing when we signed Watson.

But I still think we SHOULD have won the two games we lost this year so far, which is a bad feeling.

Stefanski has got to give up play calling. He is killing us with unnecessary, failed razzle dazzle. Joe Woods has been terrible, but last year, the defense came together down the stretch. Maybe that will happen again. If not, get Sean Payton for next year.

Stefanski is a good diplomat and a decent organizer but as a play caller and football coach he's not even close to being elite.

Our disciplinary record is still mediocre.
When it matters the most we're still doing unnecessary and stupid mistakes.
His play calling is too often inconsistent and flat out confusing.

He's brave with his decisions when the sensible option is to be conservative and the opposite. It's difficult to find any logic.

Parting with Baker was long term the right thing to do but the way he handled it was clumsy. Against the Steelers (2021) he allowed Baker to get sacked 8-9 times, that's unforgivable if he label himself as a player friendly coach.

I don't think he will last long if this continues. .

J/c

Stefanski is good at getting guys open and having shifts/multiple formations/sets/etc

Stefanski is NOT good at calling plays AT TIMES … in other words, it seems like he gets too cute or gets away from our identity

J/c

Stefanski is good at getting guys open and having shifts/multiple formations/sets/etc

Stefanski is NOT good at calling plays AT TIMES … in other words, it seems like he gets too cute or gets away from our identity

Baker allowed Baker to get sacked 9 times against the Steelers.

Okay.......I couldn't read all the posts. I knew it would be bad, but the blame game of fans on message boards and talk radio are so freaking bad. Here are my thoughts that probably no one wants to read. LOL

--This was a really devastating loss regarding our playoff hopes. It's a game you should win if you want to be in contention, especially given the upcoming schedule.

--I don't think Stefanski was terrible. I agreed w/passing on the FG. It's like people love analytics in theory and then hate them in practice. I thought Stefanski made one bad decision that stood out. We were down by the goal line and we ran Chubb. He was stopped and fumbled. Forward progress was the call and we kept the ball. Should have run JB on the sneak there. He's great at it.

--JB played very well in the first half. Not very good in the second half. The interception to end the game was a really bad decision. We had two plays to get the first down. Can't force it there. One thing I noticed is that he does not throw as well when moving to his left. It does seem a little weird seeing all the negative comments after years of seeing nothing but excuses for the QB play. I have one more negative on JB. We had a play very early in the second half where he threw a long out route to DPJ. The pass was fine, but it came a beat to late. Gotta pull the trigger earlier.

--The OL did not have one of their better days. They were not opening as many holes as usual in the running game. We got stuffed too many times on early downs which forced us to pass more than we wanted to. They also gave up more pressures than usual. They did have some very good moments. They sure did not lose the game. Thank God we don't have to listen to that excuse any longer.

--DPJ made some nice catches. But, we don't have a ton of talent at WR if teams take Cooper away. Njoku's fumble was costly.

--Chubb and Hunt were their usual great selves.

--Our 4 starters out on D was significant.

--The DL played well against the run at times and got gashed at times. Weird.

--Our LBers are not good. JOK is a good athlete, but guys break tackles on him. None of our LBers are good against the pass. Their depth of their drops are too shallow.

--The secondary wasn't too bad. Yes, we had another blown coverage, but ALL teams do.

--The place kicker and punter were good. Ford made a really dumb decision take one out of the end zone. He does that too much. They benched him after that. Glad DPJ was back there instead of Felton.

--Final Thought: We could have very well won this game. We didn't. I gotta give ATL some credit. They beat us at times at our own game. They won in the trenches more than we did. That surprised me and it was the key to the game.

Yes. If it were 4th and 1, that's one thing. But 4th and 3 from the 4? On the road, take the points.

The D really needs to look at themselves in the mirror. Another (really) blown coverage. But what is worse is how Atlanta was able to run at will during that stretch in the 2nd half. We're the team who is supposed to be able to impose our will in the 2nd half. They rammed it down our throats, and kicked us in the nads. We knew it was coming and couldn't stop it.

On the plus side, Pitts was not much of a factor. Good TEs have killed us many a time.

I take little solace in the fact that PIT and BAL also lost.

I also am on the going for it on the first drive. I agreed with all the others, but to me you need to score points, and scoring first in a game is important.

Had we been down at the time, I might agree with going for it, but being a 0-0 game, take the 3, which as it works out was 3 we needed.

I haven't looked, but I would be shocked if analytics doesn't show that the team who scores first wins the most games. I get going for it from a percentage standpoint and have long said teams should go for it more often, but I also feel that scoring first is a big boost. When you have a chance to score 1st in a game, take the points. That should be a black letter law in the head coach's handbook.

j/c:

LOL. Baker is playing worse in Carolina than he did as an injured QB in Cleveland. And you and others still want to twist the knife - and I saw the other day you wrote how you didn't want to stop commenting on Baker because you think getting a reaction to your posts is so funny.... In all honesty that says a lot about you and no-one else. As for the Steelers game and his 9 sacks - Baker did let himself get sacked 9 times. And it probably had nothing to do with TJ Watt being schemed 1 on 1 with our 3rd string rookie RT.

Regards the CLE ATL game - I tend to agree this game and loss is less about Joe Woods and more about the multiple challenges we're facing with a back up QB who came back to his level a little, multiple players missing on D, some questionable decisions during the game. One general comment - I've seen multiple posts lamenting going for it on 4th and 3 instead of taking points... And I know more than one poster will respond that going for it on 4th and short is the right call based on analytics / stats. [1] 4th and 1 and being able to get a first with a QB sneak is one thing. 4th and 3 is a different situation. [2] the Analytics only works when your team at least gets a first down at the same rate as the NFL average - if you are failing more than the average, maybe you need to re-asses and I think all of us have seen more times when we missed points when going for it than when we got a TD out of going for it on 4th and short within FG range. And maybe that's not the case, maybe we remember the misses more than the successes? But the principle holds that *IF* we are not successful at the NFL average rate, then all the analytics means squat.

For the last 20+ years it seems we've played up to good competition and often under achieved to 'weak' opposition ... hoping we find a way to bounce back with a W next week when the opposition is definitely much better than ATL.

I'm good with whatever you think.