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The abrupt pivot on an issue at the heart of Mr. Trump’s presidency suggested his broad immigration crackdown was hurting industries and constituencies he does not want to lose.

The Trump administration has abruptly shifted the focus of its mass deportation campaign, telling Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials to largely pause raids and arrests in the agricultural industry, hotels and restaurants, according to an internal email and three U.S. officials with knowledge of the guidance.

The decision suggested that the scale of President Trump’s mass deportation campaign — an issue that is at the heart of his presidency — is hurting industries and constituencies that he does not want to lose.

The new guidance comes after protests in Los Angeles against the Trump administration’s immigration raids, including at farms and businesses. It also came as Mr. Trump made a rare concession this week that his crackdown was hurting American farmers and hospitality businesses.

The guidance was sent on Thursday in an email by a senior ICE official, Tatum King, to regional leaders of the ICE department that generally carries out criminal investigations, including work site operations, known as Homeland Security Investigations.

“Effective today, please hold on all work site enforcement investigations/operations on agriculture (including aquaculture and meat packing plants), restaurants and operating hotels,” he wrote in the message.

The email explained that investigations involving “human trafficking, money laundering, drug smuggling into these industries are OK.” But it said — crucially — that agents were not to make arrests of “noncriminal collaterals,” a reference to people who are undocumented but who are not known to have committed any crime.

The Department of Homeland Security confirmed the guidance.

“We will follow the president’s direction and continue to work to get the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens off of America’s streets,” Tricia McLaughlin, a department spokeswoman, said in a statement.

For months, Mr. Trump and his aides have said they would target all immigrants without legal status in the United States to make good on his campaign promise for mass deportations. While the administration came into office saying it would initially target undocumented immigrants with criminal records, it has in recent weeks expanded to raiding work sites and sweeping up other undocumented immigrants broadly.

On Thursday, Mr. Trump acknowledged that the crackdown might be alienating industries he wanted to keep on his side.

“Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace,” he said on social media.

Mr. Trump posted after Brooke Rollins, the secretary of agriculture, informed him of farmers who were concerned about the ICE enforcement affecting their businesses, according to a White House official and a person familiar with the matter. Mr. Trump has for decades owned luxury hotels, an industry with a strong immigrant labor force.

A former Trump administration official added that throughout his first term, Mr. Trump often heard concerns from some Republicans from rural states about how the immigration crackdown would hurt the agricultural industry.

The decision to scale back operations at work sites comes at a crucial time, and the implications of the guidance are still to be determined on the ground. The guidance did not appear to rule out raids at work sites in other industries, like the one at a garment factory in Los Angeles that sparked the protests.

In recent weeks, Stephen Miller, the White House deputy chief of staff, has publicly pushed for a “minimum” of 3,000 arrests per day.

Following Mr. Miller’s comments, arrests shot up to over 2,000 a day last week, and in recent days and weeks, ICE officials have conducted operations at restaurants, factories and business across the country.

One Department of Homeland Security official with knowledge of the email said that agents had felt the pressure for more arrests and that the guidance took them by surprise. Agents were still digesting the long-term implications without a direct signal from the White House about how to carry out the new guidance, the official said.

Mr. King seemed to acknowledge that the new guidance would hurt the quest for higher numbers of arrests.

“We acknowledge that by taking this off the table, that we are eliminating a significant # of potential targets,” he wrote.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/13/us/politics/trump-ice-raids-farms-hotels.html

Did these people not enter the country "illegally" too? You see, many of us have tried to explain that you can't just go off half cocked and attack every immigrant who entered this country illegally without paying heavy consequences. That millions of workers can not just be replaced by American citizens that have no desire to do these jobs. And even if they did it would take a huge increase in pay which would directly impact the prices on us all. A scorched earth approach to this entire situation was never going to work.

But when you rile up your supporters by saying things like, "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.", you put a label on an entire nation of immigrants. I mean other than some whom he assumes are good people.

Did it somehow become that those working in the in the agricultural industry, hotels and restaurant industries suddenly become the one's he claims he "assumes are good people" and everyone in every other industry are those who are, "bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists."?

It wouldn't surprise me if this list of industries not to pursue expands to the construction industry. It is an industry already half a million people short of being able to fill their job openings.

And maybe we should discuss the inclusion of the Hotel and leisure industries being on that list. It's the industries trump has the biggest investments in and employees the most people. I understand how not wishing to cripple our food supplies and supply chain in regards to food is essential. Staying at hotels at a golf course which is leisure however is not.

Can we say conflict of interest boys and girls?

This is what happens when you don't think things out!

No immigration changes under way for farm, hospitality workers, Washington Post reports
Reuters
Fri, June 13, 2025 at 10:25 AM EDT3 min read



U.S. President Donald Trump arrives at Joint Base Andrews
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -There are no policy changes under way to exempt farm, hotel and other leisure workers from Donald Trump's immigration crackdown, the Washington Post reported on Friday, a day after the U.S. president vowed to issue an order for such workers.

Trump's comments on Thursday were aimed at soothing industry leaders, but there will be no changes to current deportations, according to the report, which cited three people with knowledge of the administration’s immigration policies.

Representatives for the White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the report, which comes amid demonstrations protesting Trump's immigration raids.


Trump's border czar Tom Homan told the Washington Post that he had not discussed any changes for such workers with Trump and has not been involved in any policy plans to address them.

Farm and hotel industries rely heavily on migrant labor, and farmers were strong supporters of Trump's 2024 re-election bid.

While Trump is carrying out his campaign promise to deport immigrants in the country illegally, protesters and some Trump supporters have questioned the targeting of those who are not convicted criminals, including in places of employment.

On Thursday, Trump acknowledged the impact of his immigration policies on some sectors and said he would issue a related order "soon," giving no details.

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"Our farmers are being hurt badly and we're going to have to do something about that... We're going to have an order on that pretty soon," he said at the White House.

He added that it would also address the hotels sector, which would include the Trump Organization, Trump's private business that has said it is being run by his adult sons.

"Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace," he wrote on his social media platform before his Thursday remarks. "Changes are coming!"

U.S. farm industry groups have long sought to be spared from mass deportations, which could upend a food supply chain dependent on immigrants, and welcomed his comments.



Major hotel companies and casino operators did not return Reuters' requests for comment.



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The Daily Beast

Trump ordered to return control of National Guard troops to Gavin Newsom after ‘illegal’ order over LA protests
The Independent
Trump did not say what steps he would order or when they would come.

U.S. Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins told CNBC on Thursday that Trump was reviewing all possibilities but that Congress would also have to act, pointing to the H-2A visa program that allows employers to hire temporary or seasonal labor.

An immigration raid of an Omaha, Nebraska, meat-packing plant on Tuesday forced the company to operate with reduced staffing and caused concern among traders and analysts about how such raids could disrupt U.S. food production.


The United Farm Workers and California's Democratic Senators Alex Padilla and Adam Schiff this week called for a stop to immigration enforcement actions targeting farmworkers after media reports of Tuesday raids at California farms.

In April, Trump suggested farmers could petition to keep some workers if the migrants left the country and then returned with legal status.

As the article stated, this is more for optics over anything that was targeted.


At this point ICE is looking for identified targets. They aren't just driving down the street looking for random Mexican restaurants or farms to see who they might be able to round up. The problem is the optics fed by disinformation is that is what they are doing. The disinformation isn't necessarily fed or created by the media. Lot's is just word on the street. People are trying to get skinny and don't show up for work which makes it hard for the various establishments to operate.

As with some of you, I am sympathetic to the plight of some of these people. The majority of those people, but there are legal means for those individuals. The problem is that in the old days those people entered on work visas for several months, then returned home. Now they don't. They stay, and that is a problem. We have to get a grip on that. How that "grip" manifests is yet to be determined. I think it will be somewhere between simply deporting a mass amount of people and ignoring the problem.

In the mean time, we have to get the violent criminals and get them out, and there are a large number of those folks. We have to do that now in an expedited manner. We can't wait for all sides to massage out some sort of reform.

So you know this as actual facts or are you just spewing whatt you hope is true.? As I’ve stated before, anyone that believes a word out of trumps pie hole is a damn fool.

Do you really believe that? Here in Nashville just a few weeks ago they pulled over hundreds of people in a small area known to have a high level of illegal immigrants in a matter of hours. Most with no criminal record. And this has been a common theme across the country. I mean people can argue amongst themselves about whether all illegal immigrants should be removed or not. But to suggest these raids are targeted towards certain individuals based on them being criminals is preposterous at best. I agree that's how it started out but The White House insisted the numbers increase and so they found a way to make that happen. That way was to target them all and not target only the criminals.


And if that was their intended goal and what they were doing that would be fine. But it's not.

Hogwash, ICE shows up in full force and tactical gear at 6 pm at a San Diego Italian restaurant, looking for people's papers. Word is out, it does not matter what you do, ICE is coming after you. Who cares if you have been here for 20 years, have American citizens as children, and cannot get a green card? Unmarked vans at Home Depot or SWAT teams, ICE Barbie has got to make her numbers to keep Steven Miller and Trump happy.

The "problem" is that the GOP does not want immigrants, because they could shift the political balance as immigrants are viewed as proportionally democratic. If Texas ever goes blue, the GOP is toast for electing president.

You left out one word that changes your comment significantly.

FWIW...the head of the GOP is married to an immigrant...I am the son of an immigrant.

This discussion cannot be reasonably debated with the purposeful omission of the one word that defines the issue. It starts there.

The GOP are for immigrants. Legal ones not ones that enter our Country illegally. There is a difference.

Yes, there's a huge difference. Even non violent felonies have a statute of limitations. But somehow this "evil crime" of illegal entry to our country does not. But often times people uphold things that make no sense.

So, I guess you open up your house door and allow people to enter anytime they like? Same principle applies to our border. We all know what happens if someone enters your home without permission. Deporting those people that enter our country without permission is less permanent.

We know you love to paint a scene that paints all illegal immigrants as some type of criminal when in fact most are hard working people with families.

You need to pay attention. What I'm suggesting is people who have already been here for many years. You know, before your "open borders" and Biden had any thing to do with. I'm talking about trump illegals. That should make it far more palatable to you.

Man you are so unhinged.

But I sort of hope you get your way. Then you could enjoy your $50 salads, $20 a pound ground beef and increase the price of hokes by 10's of thousands of dollars. Some people would rather bite their nose off to spite their face than try to use an ounce of common sense.

I believe such statute of limitations only applies to American citizens. It starts with illegal...there is a pathway to USA citizenship...sneaking in isn't a lifetime pass.

Instead you make it a lifelong crime. You do realize they have been arresting people with work visas and those going through the asylum process. Those are both legal.

And just a general question......

Kilmar Abrego Garcia is facing charges for providing transportation to illegal immigrants from Texas to northern states. Texas governor Gregg Abbott transported thousand of illegal immigrants from Texas to northern cities. One is facing charges in Tennesee for it while those on the right celebrated Abbott doing the exact same thing.

Equating Garcia's actions to Abbott's is exactly why the immigration 'issue' is where it is stuck today...too many people who think that - in any way, shape, or form -is applicable/reasonable.

I would like to see a pathway for ILLEGAL immigrants who have been in this country for some # of years AND who have a 'sponsor' of some sort. The problem is that the left will want to label it 'Amnesty' and have it include everyone...AND...the right will hold that such an action - equating to Amnesty - will result in even more incentive to come here in any way a person can. No solution works without first having a solid/secure border...which we now have for the time being.

Biden and/or whomever was running the country set back the opportunity for an immigration solution in the same manner than Obama set back race relations by making EVERYTHING about race....resulting in a numbness to legit issues surrounding race.

That’s your opinion. Trump shot down the only bi-partisan immigration bill ever, remember? Then turns around and creates a military police state to deport immigrants illegally. Then when migrant workers in California are seen being chased across farm land the evil truth is seen on national television and trump is exposed again to who he really is.

non-white would be that word, I can say it too. That does not explain the students and others, so it can be looked at both ways.

To expand on the thought, it is not just an arrest, it is the loss of income, the rent, bills and now legal expenses, and all of the other things that occur when a working person is tossed in jail for deportation. Hopefully not to El Salvador.

https://news.yahoo.com/news/dozens-heavily-armed-ice-agents-001847985.html

The eye candy that is married to the head of the GOP is white (blanco).

Both my grandparents were immigrants, my ex father in law was off the boat, my current wife’s grandmother was a military bride. We all have ties to immigrants, you are typical, not special.

That makes sense, there are many people who have been here for 10, 20, 30 years who can’t get a green card, and they don’t really need a sponsor, they are economically self sufficient.

Horse feathers on the Amnesty comment. Both parties use the term.

We can blame the politicians for creating a non system that does not work, Work permits, some variation of visa and immigrant status, there is no mechanism for immigrants to get to America in the quantity that is necessary to sustain the economy.

We actually rely on immigrants to fuel the economy. But they live on the margins because the door to enter and achieve some sort of legal status is locked and barred shut, except to the published limits. The politicians created this mess and never fixed it, then complain about the problem of their own creation, and pray to the false God of a Border Wall as some panacea to fix a problem that requires a paper, pen and a brain.

I really wish for some sort of congregational conclave to fix the problem,

I miss the "like" button.

I don't mind immigrants. I just want them to go through "Ellis Island" so to speak. People who walk across the border unchecked aren't immigrants. They are illegal aliens.

So with the attitude you display, I will change my tone. Why are you so invested in keeping illegals in the country? That question goes to anybody.

Your President Biden was shipping them all over the country under cover of night.

Only a few members of congress are complaining. The others are fixing the problem.

Some of us believe the USA should defend the border. Obviously, others don't. Seriously, that is what it is when you boil it down.

We have liberal border policy as it is. If you want to immigrate to many if not most countries, you have to provide bank statements and net worth, and if it isn't enough, you don't get it.

trump at G7 said Biden let in 21 Million illegals and most of them are murderers. How can anyone believe anything he says. How many of those murderers has he deported?

Here's the problem. Republicans control the house, the senate and the White House. The democrats actually have no say. The problem you have is that there aren't Republicans who would ever vote for anything you're suggesting. So trying to lay the blame on democrats is ridiculous. But you know this.


Nothing about what you suggested above is or has been stopped by either Obama nor Biden. It is true that our border was not protected during Biden's term as it should have been. To claim that people became callus over racial issues because you know "Obama!" , is their fault and not Obama's. I will say that there are people who scream race when it really doesn't apply. That does tend to make people brush off when an actual abuse based on race does happen. But to blame others because people aren't smart enough to figure out the difference is not valid.

Republicans could write and pass any immigration policy they want to. They won't because they don't want to. Instead they have decided to use immigration as a political weapon. Once agin something you already know. All you have offered up is that somehow that's someone elses fault. That dog won't hunt.

Okay let's use your premise. Then is it right or wrong for all three of them to do it? And if it's legal and right why is only one of those three men on trial for it? And if it's illegal why aren't all three of them being tried for the same crime?

It's not a difficult question to answer Peen and throwing fuel on the fire won't change it.

BTW- Biden was "Your" president too. I don't want to claim trump either but he is the president of the country where I was born and live.

I'm so invested because without a portion of them our economy would be in terrible shape. Some seem to claim that you can replace them with citizens. That's simply not true. As we have seen trump himself is starting to understand how much this will hurt the economy in certain business sectors. Much the way we saw what essential employees meant during Covid. Some workers in certain sectors of our economy we just can't do without.

And i do understand your Ellis Island concept. But let's be honest here, with the rate they were processing people though Ellis Island and the available information and technology at the time, how vetted were those people in reality? In case you missed it organized crime of the day back then came through Ellis Island too. It was certainly by no means an accurate or successful means of vetting immigrants.

That's why the most suggested idea I have seen brought forward is a process of vetting through time and production. You have a minimum number of years an immigrant has been here with no criminal record combined with whether they have been productive and paying taxes. If they can't pass that threshold they should be removed.

As I've stated, you aren't going to get Americans to pick fruit and vegetables. You aren't going to get them to line up and work in slaughter houses. As I stated earlier the construction industry is already short 500,000 workers as it is.

There is another possibility but I don't think it's right to ask this of other humans. You could do what it takes to fill "some of those jobs" with work permits. You know like "the good old days" where they come to work in America during growing season and make them go back when it's not. You know separating them from their families because we don't want them here. But then I guess we don't need our meat processed for the whole year. I suppose we could limit the building of houses in the south and west to part time. Yeah, the whole "let them be here part time" thing doesn't work the same way it used to now that all of them don't work in the fields doing farm labor.

So yes, if you don't realize the consequences this would have on our economy I hope we don't all have to learn the hard way.

Ellis Island: You show up, and you are in.... Not exactly a policy that works for 2025.

Different times and different laws applied. But sure, if you want that to apply, go ahead.

I'm sincerely curious what you think about the people that came here legally, passed a background check, but are now considered illegals because the program that allowed them to come here was abruptly canceled. Technically, they are now here illegally... do they get deported with the same 'gusto'?

Was that program ran by a stupid leftist that did not vet the receiver of that pass? If so, get out. They were not vetted properly. I cannot help Democrats miss manage everything they touch.

Actually one program he ended had sponsors for every immigrant included in that program. That accounts for 530.000 people. They were vetted and they were sponsored. Even the sponsors were vetted. Do you ever bother to look into anything before you bother posting about it?

Termination of the CHNV humanitarian parole program: This Biden-era program granted temporary legal status, including work permits and deportation protection, to roughly 530,000 migrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. Notices of termination have begun to be sent out, directing recipients to self-deport. Those who voluntarily comply may be eligible for travel assistance and a $1,000 bonus.

Vetting of Participants (Beneficiaries):

Individuals applying for the program were required to pass background checks before they could receive authorization to travel to the United States.

Upon arrival at a U.S. airport, they were subject to individual consideration for parole by a Customs and Border Protection (CBP) official.

The overall process aimed to ensure national security and public safety.

Applicants were also required to meet certain criteria, including being vaccinated for measles, polio, and COVID-19.

A medical screening for tuberculosis within 90 days of arrival was also required.

Vetting of Sponsors:

U.S.-based sponsors were required to demonstrate their financial means to support the CHNV national and explain why the individual merited parole.

Sponsors underwent background checks, security vetting, and financial reviews carried out by the U.S. government.

In August 2024, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) implemented enhanced vetting measures for U.S.-based supporters.

These enhanced measures included requiring sponsors to submit fingerprints for the vetting process and closer review of their financial and criminal records.

Sponsors needed to be U.S. citizens, lawful permanent residents, or hold another lawful immigration status.

Sponsors could be individuals, businesses, organizations, or multiple individuals applying jointly.

They were vetted by USCIS (U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services) after completing Form I-134A, Online Request to be a Supporter and Declaration of Financial Support, to ensure they could financially support the beneficiary and protect them from exploitation.

Essentially, the CHNV program incorporated vetting measures for both participants and sponsors to ensure safety and security while facilitating humanitarian entry into the United States.

Being a parrot doesn't make you right.

One such program was the one that allowed Ukranians displaced by the Russian invasion to come here and work temporarily. An identical program was how both of my parents' families were allowed to come to this country (ironically, they too were fleeing a Russian invasion).

These programs are largely copy-paste's of each other, so it's not a stretch to say both left and right leaning presidents/admins have used this type of program to legally allow entry of non-citizens (all that I've heard/read is that these programs grant temporary permission to be in the US... though my parents' families used the opportunity to apply for and ultimately receive citizenship).


So again... these are people that followed the rules, came here legally, and in many cases justified their being here by showing how they could bring value (usually by skills/work they had), as well as having a US-citizen sponsoring them to be here. So wanting these people gone because... reasons... constitutes the whole "immigration" debate taking a very dark turn.

That program was being issued a VISA. Visas are issued for various lengths of time. They aren't a lifetime pass. As the VISA expires, they have to reapply.

VISA'a can be revoked by the State Dept. at any time for a number of reasons. If a persons VISA expires or is revoked and they don't leave in a specified period of time, they are here illegally.

As to the "gusto" question, I suppose it depends on why it was revoked and why you didn't leave.

Their "visas" didn't expire. The program was canceled; therefore their permission to be here was suddenly removed, making someone that was here legally suddenly an illegal (so not the same thing as a person who entered this country illegally, and by definition is a criminal).

I can understand (and agree) with wanting to get people out of the country that are criminals (and again, someone who snuck across the border is, by definition, a criminal). What I'm having a really hard time with is arbitrarily deciding that people who did follow the correct process in coming here being lumped in with the ones that didn't. I won't go as far as to play any sort of "card", but that requires restraint when there's no other clear explanation.


I understand the legality (Supreme Court upheld his decision). What I don't understand is why people think this is right. I'm trying to get someone/anyone to explain why artificially making people who followed our laws into criminals and then ignoring our own laws in many situations to deport said people is right.

Of the millions of illegals who have piled in to the country, how many are caught in this predicament you pose? I don't think it is that many as a percentage.

You also have to remember that having a green card doesn't mean you can live here on a permanent basis. They are short term passes to allow you to work here or study here on a short term basis. People were always subject to having to go back to their country of origin.

I will capitulate that if a person is holding a green card that would otherwise still be valid if not impacted by recent decisions that make it invaild, they should be allowed to stay for the cards full term or at least be given a short time frame to leave on their own accord unless the state can demonstrate their staying here is an imminent threat or are being sought for other illegal activity.

There were 530.000 of them. Does that not make a difference? It seems you support people who are doing things the right way and following our laws be turned into criminals with the flow of a pen. Is that the America you really want?

As a percentage, I don't know. And I bet the true number won't be known, given how we only have estimates on the number of people that are truly illegal aliens. I've that over half a million people are caught up in the switcharoo I've highlighted above.


This is the crux of my argument (if you want to call it that).

Trump orders Ice raids on farms and hotels after pausing them days earlier
Reversal comes days after president posted on Truth Social his ‘very aggressive’ raids were hurting farmers and hotels

Joseph Gedeon in Washington
Tue 17 Jun 2025 10.21 EDT
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Donald Trump has abandoned his brief immigration and customs enforcement (Ice) reprieve for farm and hotel workers, ordering the agency’s raids in those sectors to resume after hardliners crushed a pause that lasted just four days.

The whiplash reversal, first reported by the Washington Post, exposes the dysfunction gripping the president’s deportation agenda, where competing advisers battle over policy while Trump lurches between contradictory positions.

“The president has been incredibly clear,” said Tricia McLaughlin, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) assistant secretary, in a statement to the Guardian on Tuesday. “There will be no safe spaces for industries who harbor violent criminals or purposely try to undermine Ice’s efforts.”


The flip-flop also follows Trump’s erratic pattern on major policies – from threatening then retreating on mass global tariffs to wavering on federal spending cuts – as different factions fight for his ear.

Trump first blinked last Thursday, posting on Truth Social that his “very aggressive” raids were hurting farmers and hotels. The next day, Ice officials reportedly told staff in an internal email to largely lay off raids and arrests in the agricultural, hotel and restaurant industries.

But now, according to the Post, immigration hawks led by the deputy chief of staff, Stephen Miller, crushed the pause – after the agriculture secretary, Brooke Rollins, had secured the temporary reprieve amid industry pressure.

By Sunday, Trump had publicly reversed course entirely, ordering agents via a Truth Social post to deliver what he called the “single largest Mass Deportation Program in History” – focusing particularly on America’s largest cities, almost all being run by Democrats.

The administration desperately wants workplace raids to hit Miller’s target of 3,000 daily arrests. Daily arrests have been stuck at about 2,000, according to a recent DHS statement.

Single operations at meatpacking plants can net hundreds of detentions.


Yet Trump’s brief wobble revealed his unease with the economic fallout. Undocumented immigrants make up 4.6% of the US workforce – more than 7 million people concentrated in agriculture, hospitality and construction, according to the American Immigration Council.

Labor groups like United Farm Workers (UFW), which represent a large number of immigrant workers, dismissed the temporary pause on workplace raids in California as never actually being in place.

“As long as Border Patrol and ICE are allowed to sweep through farm worker communities making chaotic arrests the way they did TODAY, they are still hunting down farm workers,” UFW posted on Instagram on Saturday. “If President Trump is actually in charge, he needs to prove it.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/17/ice-raids-farms-hotels-trump

So once again his decision changes as often as the wind changes direction. People should have been more careful what they wished for. A leader that can't figure out what he's doing from day to day is something I don't think was on their list of desirable traits when they voted.

Peen,

Here is a quote from the DHS assistant secretary... “There will be no safe spaces for industries who harbor violent criminals or purposely try to undermine Ice’s efforts.”

That would indicate that they think everyone they are deporting are violent criminals... right? Or that they are trying to characterize everything they are deporting as a threat, even when that isn't the case. Either situation would be wrong.... unless I'm missing something regarding the intentions the changes to refugee/TPP.

1 is too many, right? Or just collateral damage?

What's a half a million one way or the other? Am I right? I mean it's not like they're "one of us".

Clearly the focus is on finding and removing violent criminals


Texas Tribune
“They’re taking Shirly”: An Army sergeant in Houston thought his family was safe, then ICE deported his wife
Sonner Kehrt, The War Horse
Mon, June 16, 2025 at 6:38 PM EDT12 min read


Army Sgt. Ayssac Correa had just started his day at the 103rd Quartermaster Company outside of Houston on the morning of March 13 when he got a phone call from his sister-in-law.

She worked at the same company as Correa’s wife and had just pulled into the parking lot to see three ICE agents handcuffing her.

“They’re taking Shirly away!” she told him.

This month, as protesters clash with law enforcement amid immigration raids in Los Angeles, President Donald Trump has ordered 4,000 National Guardsmen and 700 active-duty Marines to respond. The move injected the military into the highly contentious debate over immigration. For the tens of thousands of service members whose spouses or parents are undocumented, the issue was already personal, pitting service against citizenship.

In his first week in office, President Trump signed multiple executive orders aimed at reshaping the country’s immigration policy, calling border crossings in recent years an “invasion” and arguing that many undocumented migrants have committed “vile and heinous acts against innocent Americans.”

But Correa and his wife weren’t too worried. After they got married in 2022, the couple had filed paperwork to start Shirly Guardado on the path to citizenship, and Correa assumed that, as an active-duty soldier, his family wouldn’t be impacted.

“Me being in the military — I felt bad that it was happening, because I’m also married to somebody who’s going through the [immigration] process. But I was like, ‘Oh, there’s no way this is going to happen to us,’” he said.

That misconception is common, immigration attorneys and advocates told The War Horse. But in reality, there is no guaranteed path to citizenship for undocumented military family members — and no guaranteed protections against deportation.

There are no reliable statistics on how many service members marry citizens of other countries, but it’s not uncommon, says Margaret Stock, a leading expert on immigration law and the military. The progressive group Fwd.us has estimated that up to 80,000 undocumented spouses or parents of military members are living in the U.S.

“You can imagine what happens when you’re deployed in more than 120 countries around the world,” Stock said.

“It’s taboo,” says Marino Branes, an immigration attorney and former Marine who first came to the U.S. from Peru without documentation. “It’s not like you’re announcing it to the world.”

But he and other immigration attorneys told The War Horse they are working with active-duty clients who are scrambling to get their spouses or parents paperwork as immigration enforcement actions ramp up, and it becomes clear that military families are not immune.

In April, ICE arrested the Argentinian wife of an active-duty Coast Guardsman after her immigration status was flagged during a routine security screening as the couple moved into Navy base housing in South Florida. Last month, the Australian wife of an Army lieutenant was detained by border officials at an airport in Hawaii during a trip to visit her husband. She was sent back to Australia.

As the debate over illegal immigration roils the country, recent polling from the Pew Research Center shows that about a third of Americans think that all undocumented immigrants living in the country should be deported. Fifty-one percent believe that some undocumented immigrants should be deported, depending on their situation. For instance, nearly all those respondents agree that undocumented immigrants who have committed violent crimes should be deported. But just 5% think that spouses of American citizens should be.

Lawmakers have reintroduced several bills in Congress that would make it easier for spouses and parents of troops and veterans to get their green card.

“The anxiety of separation during deployment, the uncertainty of potentially serving in a conflict zone — these challenges weren’t just mine. They were my family’s as well,” Rep. Salud Carbajal, a Democrat from California, said at a news conference last month. He came to the U.S. from Mexico as a child and served in the Marine Corps.

“I find it unconscionable that someone could step up to serve, voluntarily, in our military and be willing to sacrifice their life for our country only to have their families torn apart.”

“I didn’t hear from her for three days”

The morning that ICE took Shirly Guardado into custody had started like any other. She and Correa had woken early to prepare their 10-month-old son for the day and then taken him to Guardado’s mother to watch him while they worked — Correa as a logistics specialist, handling the training for part-time Army reservists at his unit, and Guardado as a secretary at an air conditioning manufacturing company.

Guardado had gotten a work permit and an order of supervision from ICE, meaning she needed to check in regularly with immigration officials, after she was apprehended crossing the border about 10 years earlier, her lawyer, Martin Reza, told The War Horse. Her last check-in had been in February, just a month before.

“She reported as normal,” Reza said. “Nothing happened.”

But on that morning in March, Guardado got a strange phone call at work. Some sort of public safety officer had dialed her office and wanted her to come outside to talk. In the parking lot, three men in plain clothes identified themselves as Department of Public Safety officers, Correa told The War Horse. As Shirly approached, they said her car had been involved in an accident. But when she got close, they grabbed her and handcuffed her, telling her they were ICE agents.

That’s when Guardado’s sister-in-law called Correa.

He said the ICE agents refused to tell him where they were taking his wife. By the time he got to her office, they were gone.

“I didn’t hear from her for like three days,” he said. When she was finally able to call him, from an ICE facility in Conroe, he told her there must have been some mistake.

“They’re gonna realize you got your stuff in order, and they’re gonna let you go,” he told her.

“I kept thinking, ‘Oh, she’s gonna get out tomorrow. She’s gonna get out tomorrow.’ And then that turned into almost three months,” he said.

On May 30, ICE deported her to Honduras. It was her 28th birthday.

Protection through military parole in place

Correa had met Guardado in a coffee shop in Houston in 2020 — “the most beautiful girl I’ve ever seen,” he said. After they got married, Reza helped the couple file paperwork for Correa to sponsor Guardado to get her green card.

Because Correa was in the military, the couple also put in an application for military parole in place, a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services program that can help military and veteran family members temporarily stay in the U.S. legally while they work to get a more permanent status.

The program grew out of the experiences of Yaderlin Hiraldo Jimenez, an undocumented Army wife whose husband, Staff Sgt. Alex Jimenez, went missing in Iraq in 2007 after his unit came under insurgent fire.

Alex Jimenez had petitioned for a green card for his wife before he deployed, but while the Army searched for him, the Department of Homeland Security worked to deport her. After the case gained national attention, the department changed course and allowed her to stay in the U.S. temporarily. She was awarded a green card in July of 2007. Almost a year later, the Army found her husband’s remains.

“After that case, the bureaucracy realized that they could go ahead and do this for everybody,” Stock said. “It would solve a lot of problems for military families, and it would contribute to readiness, and the troops are going to be a lot happier, because there’s a lot of troops that have this problem.”

But not everyone is granted parole, and filing can be complicated. Historically, all of the military branches have offered legal assistance to military family members applying, as long as legal resources were available. But the Coast Guard recently “discontinued” its legal assistance to undocumented Coast Guard family members looking to apply for a military parole in place, a spokesperson said in an email to The War Horse.

In response to follow-up questions, the Coast Guard called it a “pause” that resulted from a “recent review of assistance with immigration services available to dependents.” The War Horse has confirmed multiple examples of Coast Guard families being denied this legal assistance, although USCIS says the program is still active and military families are still eligible to apply. The other military branches say they have not made any changes to the legal immigration assistance they provide military families under the new administration.

But even for families who are able to apply for parole in place, approval isn’t guaranteed. There are certain disqualifying factors, like having a criminal record, and USCIS offices have discretion over granting parole.

“All of these field offices have a captain, a chief there,” says Branes. “They dictate policy there.”

USCIS denied Guardado and Correa’s application for military parole in place. Even though ICE had released her to work in the U.S. with check-ins a decade earlier, and she had no criminal record, she was technically under an expedited deportation order, which USCIS told her was disqualifying. They told her to file her application for military parole in place with ICE instead.

That’s not uncommon, Stock said. “But ICE doesn’t have a program to give parole in place.”

When ICE agents arrested Guardado, Reza said, her request for a military parole in place had been sitting with the agency for over a year with no response.

“Families serve too”

Correa is planning to fly down to Honduras shortly to bring their son, Kylian, to reunite with his mother. He’s put in a request to transfer to Soto Cano Air Base in Honduras in hopes of being stationed closer to them. He said his wife has been bouncing from hotel to hotel since landing in the country. Her brother, who is a legal resident, flew to Honduras to meet her there, since she has no family in the country, having come to the U.S. more than a decade earlier.

He wants to continue serving in the Army, which he joined in 2018. Shortly afterward, he deployed to Syria.

“This is what I want to do,” Correa said. But if his transfer request isn’t approved, he said he won’t renew his enlistment when his contract is up next year. He’s looking at selling all his possessions and moving to Honduras — anything that will make it possible to bring his family together again.

“You recruit the service member [but] you retain the family,” says Stephanie Torres, who was undocumented when her husband, Sgt. Jorge Torres, who had served in Afghanistan, died in a car crash in 2013. “You retain the family by letting them know, ‘You belong here. You serve too.’”

She and other advocates say that targeting military family members for deportation can harm military readiness by taking away a focus on the mission. Some service members may be scared or unable to enroll their family members for military benefits or support programs.

Today, Torres is working with the group Repatriate Our Patriots, which advocates on behalf of deported veterans, to build up a program to support military and veteran family members who are deported or are facing deportation.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, in coordination with the U.S. Customs and Border Protection assists with deportation of illegal aliens at Biggs Army Airfield, Fort Bliss, Texas, Feb. 6, 2025. Under the direction of the U.S. Northern Command, U.S. Transportation Command is supporting Immigration and Customs Enforcement deportation flights by providing military airlift.
Federal agents prepare undocumented immigrants for deportation at Biggs Army Airfield, Fort Bliss on Feb. 6, 2025. Credit: U.S. Army photo by Cpl. Adaris Cole/DoD Southern Border 2025
One of the people she is working with is Alejandra Juarez, who became a face of military family separation during the first Trump administration when she was deported to Mexico as the wife of a decorated combat Marine veteran, leaving behind her husband and two school-age daughters.

In 2021, after multiple lawmakers wrote letters on her behalf, then-President Biden granted her a humanitarian parole to reenter the United States and reunite with her family.

Juarez crossed into the U.S. from Mexico when she was a teenager and said she signed a document she didn’t understand at the time that permanently prevented her from gaining legal status.

“When my husband was called into active duty and put his life on the line, it didn’t matter if I had documents,” she told The War Horse. “I was a military wife.

“We should be able to get a second chance.”

Earlier this month, Juarez’s parole expired, and she has no path to citizenship. She sees the administration ramping up its immigration enforcement and ending many of its parole programs. She doesn’t want to spend money or time on what she assumes will be a dead end.

When her parole expired, she said, her immigration officer extended her a grace period to stay in the United States for one more month, to celebrate her younger daughter’s birthday. She’s turning 16.

Then, on the 4th of July, Juarez must leave the country.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/taking-shirly-army-sergeant-houston-223815093.html

I have no problem with it. The State Dept. has always had the power to determine legal status. I think a lot of them are "student" visas.

I said "your" since you voted for him. I am well aware he was my President. I have always referred to the President by President whatever the name no matter if I voted for them or not.

That isn't something I can say for most of you. It is an office I respect and treat the person holding the office accorded that respect, no matter if I agree with them or not.

Collateral damage. You don't just scrap our legal justice system because occasionally an innocent person is found guilty.

You try to find remedy, but it happens.

I was going to respond to PS's post about not wanting (and in this case, not being required) to argue this in the extremes. I don't think the next stage of our immigration/deportation laws should be crafted around some obscure portion of the population... but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

The ironic part about your post is that it's this admin that wants to "just scrap our legal justice system". They have directly defied court orders and want to eliminate due process when it's convenient for them.

You're not going to hear anything but crickets on here from the MAGA crowd, even though (according to them) all people being deported are violent criminals and that we don't need actual laws passed and can continue forward with EOs to solve our border problems.

The 530k I mentioned had nothing to do with student visas. Collateral damage is killing or wounding your own troops in battle. It appears that's how you see this.

Well, to make matters worse, ICE also detained an Afghan interpreter who helped our troops during the war.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/afghan-ally-detained-by-ice-immigration-court/

Houston police: Man impersonating ICE agent responsible for robbery

Houston police said a man was robbed by a guy who was impersonating an ICE agent. He was arrested in the Galleria area on Tuesday night.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/c...285-94e83556-0aea-4c40-b7ac-c6da3b658988

Ice, Ice Baby........

ok then, remember there is no remedy when a legal US citizen is killed in trumps grand scheme here.

No this isn't from June 14th. It's yet another flip flop on this issue. The third call on this in a little over two weeks. Insanity on full display. "They don't know what the F*** they're doing!"?

WOOOO there big fella. Now you are worried about scraping our legal justice system but your ok with a convicted felon running for and winning the presidency? Or the attacks by this adminstration on the Constitution? That's ok with you.

GMAFB.

It's okay because it doesn't pertain to him, anyone he is close to or anyone who looks like him. So you know, it's all good.

I get that!

President Donald Trump told Iowans he's going to "put the farmers in charge" when it comes to deporting agricultural workers who are in the country illegally.

"We’re finding the criminals, the murderers, the drug dealers, we’re getting them the hell out of here," Trump said Thursday, July 3, at the Iowa State Fairgrounds in the America 250 kickoff of the yearlong semiquincentennial celebration.

But he said he and Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem are "going to sort of put the farmers in charge."

"If a farmer’s willing to vouch for these people, in some way, Kristi, I think we’re going to have to just say that’s going to be good, right?" he said. "You know, we’re going to be good with it. Because we don’t want to do it where we take all of the workers off the farms. We want the farms to do great like they’re doing right now."

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...eporting-migrant-ag-workers/84467007007/



And they still believe the lie that these deportations are targeting criminals.

There is the fact that being here past your visa allowance or without one is illegal, so you will have to come up with something else.

You do have something else, right? Sorry, I know you don't.

Just for the record, I do support expedited visas for those here who are supporting for the country's good.

Sort of along the lines of what the President said. Allow employers to vouch for people as long as they don't light up on some bad hombre list.

Holy cow are you for real? There are legal immigrants that have been here for decades that are now being deported. And you shrug it off as “Collateral damage”. How white of you.

You probably should have a link to the first part. As for the how white of you crack, that is beneath you.

I'll just leave it with what you said.

He promised to deport "the worst of the worst"- first.
Now, I.C.E. is rounding up day laborers outside of Home Depot. All because:

1. Stephen "The Goebbels Ghoul" Miller yelled at ICE 2 months ago- and placed a monthly 'quota' for abductions upon America's new SS Goon Patrol to meet.
2. It became harder to find/grab/prosecute/deport actual criminals than it was to raid farms, factories, box stores, and meat processing plants than it was to simply just start grabbing Brown People from south of the Rio Grande off the streets. No investigations. No Juris Prudence. No Habeas Corpus.

Just- snatched up, and hauled away.
Is this the America you envisioned when you entered law school?

Take a moment to dig deeper, 'Peen.
Look into the stories of the people swept off the streets by masked, unidentified (by badge or uniform name) individuals representing "America's interests":

This is the first result from my Google inquiry: "percentage of ICE deportees who have no criminal records":

Approximately 65% of individuals detained by ICE in fiscal year 2025 had no criminal convictions, according to data from the Cato Institute. Furthermore, over 93% of those detained had not been convicted of a violent offense. Many of the remaining individuals had only minor offenses, such as traffic violations.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:

No criminal convictions:
According to the Cato Institute, 65% of individuals detained by ICE in fiscal year 2025 had no criminal convictions.
No violent convictions:
Over 93% of those detained by ICE had no convictions for violent offenses.
Minor offenses:
Many of the individuals with convictions had only traffic violations or other minor offenses. *

This is from The Cato Institute- not exactly a bastion of liberal thoughtspeak.

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So... here we are:

You, on a football fansite, trying to corner another poster with pseudo-clever wordsmith, while The Real World shows us what's really happening. Every day. In real time.
I'd ask you to "check yourself, before you wreck yourself"... but I'm afraid that your ship has already sailed over that horizon.

It has been sad to watch this happen to you, over these past 4+ years.
I miss the fellow Browns fan I used to like/respect. I wish he'd come back to us... but I don't hold out much hope for that ever happening. 'Trumpism' now seems to own you.
You were much better than this, when we first met.

sincerely,
Clemdawg.



* I always bring reciepts to the sword fight

It's rather convenient how every time trump changes his mind, you change yours. I had no idea these farmers did extensive background checks on their employees. It reminds me of when someone in a nice neighborhood turns out to have murdered his wife. The local news station interviews his neighbor.... "But Paul was such a nice man. Always willing to help his neighbors. He went to church every Sunday. We had no idea he was capable of such a thing."

So now it will be farmers who are vetting "illegals" and that makes sense to you? Only in trumplandia.

Oober, guess if you come here illegally and then marry an American citizen you should immediately contact an immigration attorney and start the process of becoming a legal resident. If you wait till ICE finds you and arrests you it could well result in a major disruption in your life, though I think if your spouse initiates proceeding to bring the wife to America he will be able to do so.

I guess that old adage applies. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

Tom Homan has said repeatedly we are going after the violent criminals. But if we find you in a bar sitting with 10 other people who are here illegally we are gonna arrest all of you and initiate proceedings. They are all here illegally and need to be deported.

Clem you need to pay better attention. The Cato institute and Reason magazine, a libertarian magazine, strongly support open borders. They are not an example of someone who opposes illegal immigration! I left the Libertarian party for two reasons and one of them was their position on illegal immigration.

And I think it is juvenile to suggest there is something wrong with people who believe if you came into this country illegally you need to be deported. We are a country and we have borders. They are there for a reason.

Unless you're a farm worker, right? Then all a farmer has to do is "vouch for you". Have you been keeping up? I know it's hard to do since it keeps changing all the time.

How do they know if those 10 people sitting at a bar are illegal or not? Maybe because they're drinking Corona or Modelo? Drinking tequila perhaps? Let me guess. They check their paperwork based on the color of their skin. If not, how else would they know if they are illegal?

"Notice to ICE; Target everyone with brown skin."

Could you provide some examples of people who have legal status being deported. Not detained, but deported. I have a feeling you are gonna have a tough time with that.

Which is not to say mistakes cannot be made. In fact the only way to avoid making mistakes is to do nothing and that is not an option. If we make a mistake we will fix it. But we need to keep the goal in front of us. If you are here illegally you have to go.

If you are here illegally and are smart, use that app to self deport. I think that puts you at the top of a list to return. When we are ready. It is America’s choice who comes in!! Not some cartel coyote!!

I guess if you are sitting at a bar consorting with a violent criminal our antenna go up. Gives us a right to ask for id.

We are going to get people who came here illegally out of our country. You lefties can just keep on whining while it happens.

I guess you righties haven't been keeping up with the news. So what criminals were all those brown people sitting with when there were over 300 random traffic stops of Brown people made in Nashville in only a few hours? Stop making excuses. Trump is now saying that won't apply to farm workers as long as farmers "vouch for them". Will you start whining now or will you do the usual and follow along with whatever trump tells you to?



And there it is. Straight from the horses as...... mouth. So are you going to call trump a lefty now?

" They aren't just driving down the street looking for random Mexican restaurants or farms to see who they might be able to round up. "

Well Peen, I hate to be the guy that's giving you some bad news. But that is exactly what they are doing.

All over the country, there are reports that show them doing just that. MANY OF THE ICE AGENTS ARE MASKED.

Maybe if you watched something other than FOX News or Newsmax or OANN, you might know that.

https://www.latimes.com/california/...ce-immigration-raids-continued-on-july-4

https://hias.org/news/ice-raids-what-you-need-know/

If you take the time to look at other news org's, you'll find plenty of stories of people that have been hear legally that are getting picked up.

A band of crazies who have a leader that is just as nuts as they are. And you defend them?

Am I misreading that Oober, or does it say “work temporarily “? If it is temporary by definition it must come to an end. When it does they need to go home.

As you know, they are masked because you lefty clowns doxx them and put their families lives in danger.

And the operation in Nashville made 500 stops approximately. Unlike you I was not there so I do it know their color. But I do know this. About 100 were detained for immigration violations, including a tda member, a child rapist , about 30 who had been deported and reentered illegally, a felony. There were others who had criminal convictions or criminal charges.

Any not included in those groups broke into our country illegally and all need to be deported.

As should always be the case America controls who comes into our country.

We'll have to see how that works out. My feeling is it is intended to allow people in to help with the work, but when the work is done, they go home. I don't think it is a pass to stay here year round.

As with anything new, there are bound to be hiccups and going to be some work arounds.

As I have said many times I am open to seeing some way to allow people to stay as legal aliens and if they want to apply for citizenship they can apply and go through the process.

Also, it has been made very clear by Homan that they aren't going out to simply raid some local kitchen to see what might shake out. They are going to find specific individuals who have been flagged. If in the process of apprehending those individuals they find other illegals, they aren't going to let them go.

Any way you cut it, they are illegally in this country and that is one of those inconvenient truths that can't be ignored and believe me, I am not happy is has to be that way.

So suddenly the people here illegally are alright. Great. No double standards then - just so we are clear. No need for unidentified people dressed in black and wearing masks and riot gear to round em up ?

So just go around and stop 500 brown people so you get 1 in 5 right? That's most certainly Murica!

If you want to believe the BS Homan spews be my guest. Here in Nashville in a matter of hours they made over three hundred random traffic stops of brown people in a small densely populated immigrant neighborhood. They weren't looking for "specific individuals". We should all be smart enough to watch what people do rather than listen to what they say.

And why do you feel you are the trump interpreter? In no way, shape or form did he say anything about "temporary". On what planet do you think workers should leave their families for several months a year and never have a permanent home? Children raised with part time fathers? Are those the great family values your party espouses? Or is a stable family only for Americans? When are you going to start taking the man at his word? I mean I never have but them I'm fully aware of what and who he is. Here is what he said. Word for word. Nothing close to what you were insinuating. The Peen translation doesn't change that......

The underlying reason that immigrants can't get a work visa, is that they cannot be found. Unobtainium. That like trying Ponce deLeon trying to find the fountain of youth, or finding a unicorn...

The reason is that the government has a very limited process for issuing those visas. People who have been here many years cannot get one. The ICE doors are barred shut when it comes to issuing visas to people who entered the country to find work.

Structural Ineptitude and Partisan Gridlock have left us in the state we are. The best an immigrant can hope for is a TIN.

I have a question for the deportation crowd.

I will start by admitting that a small percentage of illegal immigrants commit crimes other than entering the country illegally.
And I agree that those need to dealt with.

But for all those whose only crime was entering this country without the correct paperwork, what is the issue?
Why is it so important that we get them out of our country?

I never said it was alright.