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Now, land the QB in next year's draft or the last several seasons and this one will have been a total waste and disaster from the moment Watson was signed.
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There had been too much smoke the last couple of weeks......
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So, the Browns young defense now has the 2024 defensive rookie of the year Jared Verse and the 2025 defensive rookie of the year Carson Schwesinger. I like Verse and a 2027 but still would like to know what other picks were included in this trade.
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2027 pick, probably 25 or higher isn't that great of an asset. The Rams are likely finish with a great record and deep PO run. Not sure if this helps us get a QB. Better hope SS figures it out quickly.
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Well, I just wasted a lot of time on a post in the other thread...
On the surface this is a pretty good trade. I am curious what the "other draft compensation" is.
Jared Verse is a viable replacement for an aging Myles. Myles has another couple of stud years in him, but then what? This team is getting themselves propped up for the opening of their new stadium. Verse is more likely to be in his prime when they move 15 miles south than Myles will be.
The most important aspect of this trade is setting themselves up for draft currency to try to get one of the QBs coming out next year. I think this is a telling sign that Monken is not convinced Shedeur Sanders is the QB of the future. He is going to start Watson and Watson will be gone in the 2027 off season. Then the Browns can get another comp draft pick when Watson leaves.
Right now, it comes down to how far down the Browns first pick is. If they are picking top 10, they will have the ammunition to move up to get their guy. If they are picking below 15, it is going to be difficult due to the number of teams needing QBs.
Here's the thing. The best player coming out will probably be Jeremiah Smith.. However, there will be as many as 5 QBs with a top 15 grade on them, which will elevate them all to top 5 draft status. Think about the prospects of a Browns team picking 6th, just outside those parameters. Now, think about a top 5 team that already has their QB of the immediate future in place... They could pick up the Browns pick, the Rams first and probably the Browns 2028 first also and still get Jeremiah Smith.
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Yes, the complete details of this trade will be interesting to see.
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Ugh.... The "additional compensation" better include another first or multiple 2nd/3rd picks. This guy is the cornerstone of our D, and a lot of our defensive success is because of the attention he commands. I'm also reading that the Rams' base scheme is a 3-4. I'll let someone more informed on the topic expand on that, though. I do like that we got a plus-level starter in return. That mitigates the usual "now we have to burn much of the draft haul we got to replace the guy we just shipped out". Plus Verse is younger. If we were going to do something like this (ship a vet to stock up on draft ammo to speed up on reloading offensive talent), then our Dline roster was best equipped to handle a blow like this.
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Even though I thought it was possible.
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Good trade . How many games did the Browns win with Myles Garrett?
54? Not exactly a locker room leader.
I bet Eotab is melting down now
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Good trade . How many games did the Browns win with Myles Garrett?
54? Not exactly a locker room leader.
I bet Eotab is melting down now Good trade for other teams in the AFCN.
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I'm shocked!! My phone blew up with texts from all my friends!! I'm very interested to see what other draft picks we received.
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Guaranteed J-Dubs is on the phone ordering farewell dinosaur cupcakes and a T-Rex bouncy house for Garrett's Farewell Party.
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How can you say it was a good trade without first knowing the details of the trade?
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Guaranteed J-Dubs is on the phone ordering farewell dinosaur cupcakes and a T-Rex bouncy house for Garrett's Farewell Party. I could use some dude wipes right about now.
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Ugh.... The "additional compensation" better include another first or multiple 2nd/3rd picks. This guy is the cornerstone of our D, and a lot of our defensive success is because of the attention he commands. I'm also reading that the Rams' base scheme is a 3-4. I'll let someone more informed on the topic expand on that, though. I do like that we got a plus-level starter in return. That mitigates the usual "now we have to burn much of the draft haul we got to replace the guy we just shipped out". Plus Verse is younger. If we were going to do something like this (ship a vet to stock up on draft ammo to speed up on reloading offensive talent), then our Dline roster was best equipped to handle a blow like this. Yes, the Rams play in the 3-4, but Jared Verse was playing out of position in that system at LB. He played the edge as a DE in college at Florida State. He will be returning to that role with the Browns, while Myles will have to switch to the 3-4 for the first time in his career, I believe. Gregg Williams ran some 3-4 during Myles first two seasons, but he switched back and forth a lot. All his other coordinators were base 4-3. Shula's defense will benefit from Garrett's ability to line up anywhere. This will allow him to use his dime packages more effectively. Overall, Garrett wins because he is going to a contender. The Browns are building for the new stadium opening, not 2026. Verse will be right in line to help open it properly.
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Yes, the Rams play in the 3-4, but Jared Verse was playing out of position in that system at LB. He played the edge as a DE in college at Florida State. He will be returning to that role with the Browns [...] Thank you for the added info! So Verse earned himself DROY and PB honors while playing out of position?
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Colin Cowherd just said we are also getting a 2nd in 2028 and a 3rd in 2029.
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Hard to believe that at least one of the picks isn't a 5th rounder 
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The "Other" is a 2028 2nd rounder and a 2029 3rd rounder..
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WOW!
Even though I thought it was possible.
I am shocked for real.
Honestly. Are you surprised?
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I think all in all it's a good deal for us. Now we have lots of draft capitol to maneuver in 2027 and a good young player in Verse to boot.
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[quote][Jared Verse, a 2027 first-round draft pick and other draft compensation that is still being negotiated, sources told NFL Network's Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero and ESPN's Adam Schefter./quote]
Not enough from the Rams..!!
The Rams 2027 first round pick will likely be closer to a 2nd round pick than a first round pick.
The Rams are closer to drafting at number 30 to 32 in 2027 which equals a high 2nd round pick rather than a 1st round pick that will be the bannered propaganda fed to the Browns fans and Browns media by Berry and Haslam. Not nearly a trade that is fair and equal for a player of Myles caliber.
The Rams will be giving up a #19 first round (Jared Verse value) and a late 1st round pick in 2027...NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
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Those draft picks are going to be very late 2027 1st rd, very late 2028 2nd round and very late 2029 third round. Better start working on trade up packages for a QB next year.
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At this point, might as well see what you can get for Denzel.
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I hope there is more.
Rams first and a player who has 14 career sacks. The Rams are on the track to win a Super Bowl.
First rounder is pick 32 or close.
So that pick is going to get us to the top pick QB in 2027?
Right now I am not liking this. Berry traded for DW and now traded the best player in football.
How do we trade Myles if we cannot be sure to have the ammo to get the top QB in the draft.
Parsons brought more?
I just read this:
The rest of the compensation includes a 2028 second-round pick and a 2029 third-round pick.
Not enough the way I see it. Not happy.
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Right now it may look that way, but you don't know how the season will play out. Stafford is older and has had some back issues and there may be other injuries although I hope not. We can also package those picks and move up. We have flexibility and a few options.
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So what in total did the Browns get from the Rams? How do you know it's a bad trade when you don't even know all of the details yet? Oh, never mind, I know.
I asked someone who said it was a good trade the same question.
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So, the Browns got Jared Verse, 2027 1st, 2028 2nd, and 2029 3rd.
I think there are 2 keys here. Will Jared Verse earn a 2nd contract with the Browns in a few years. If he is an all-pro DE that plays for the Browns for 10 years and the Browns either use the draft capitol to find their future franchise QB or use those picks to get 3 more starters that play for the Browns thru a 2nd contract. That will make this trade worth it. Anything short of that if the Rams win a Superbowl will be an "L" for the Browns.
I would expect this next season to end up being the last for Denzil Ward in a Browns uniform. I could see the Browns trading him at the trade deadline now to get more draft capital. They do have the makings of a nice young defense with Verse and Graham up front. Schwesinger at linebacker and hopefully EMW in the secondary. They need to keep Campbell that they have under contract for a few more years and resign Delpit after this season. That move might have just become easier freeing up Garrett cap space.
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Colin Cowherd just said we are also getting a 2nd in 2028 and a 3rd in 2029. Even harder to believe Cowhead got one right lol
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That's the thing about trades. At first it's how they look on paper and even that's subjective from person to person. Not everyone is going to see it the same way.
But who came out the winner and who came out the loser is determined by the end results.
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Those draft picks are going to be very late 2027 1st rd, very late 2028 2nd round and very late 2029 third round. Better start working on trade up packages for a QB next year. IMO, that may not be enough ammo for a fQB prospect... but without Garrett one could argue we'll still be picking fairly high.
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That's the thing about trades. At first it's how they look on paper and even that's subjective from person to person. Not everyone is going to see it the same way.
But who came out the winner and who came out the loser is determined by the end results. It's really going to come down to how bad the Browns suck this year because LA is looking to run deep into the playoffs, at least on paper. So our 2027 first plus the additional first from the Myles trade could put us drafting near the top. What this confirms to me is that the front office doesn't see a long-term QB starter on the roster right now.
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What this confirms to me is that the front office doesn't see a long-term QB starter on the roster right now. I believe a lot if people have felt that way all along. It's easy to get caught up in the moment right after the draft and convince yourself every player drafted was a steal and will be some ultimate answer to a great need your team has. But the odds and the history of the NFL show that far times more times than not that's certainly not the case. Looking at the investment in draft capital the Browns invested when drafting QB's over the past two drafts, they didn't consider them likely to be the long term answer at the QB position either..
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Just fire Berry now. This trade is horrible. Absolutely horrible. We get a player who doesn't get many sacks. Then we gain picks that are total garbage picks. We didn't even get half the value of Myles. Not even HALF.
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MG didn't want to be here.
MG has - several speeding tickets over 90 mph? After rolling his care a few years ago.
We all know the chance of the Browns having a viable QB on the roster right now is slim to none. And if slim hasn't already left town, he's getting his tack ready.
All that means you get whatever you can for him. I have to believe that whatever the Rams have offered is the best deal out there with a team MG was willing to accept as a trade partner.
I'm more than happy with the trade even if it might appear to some as we got short changed ... MG is 30. He's got 2 elite years in him. Him might be very good for another 4 after that? He's a freak of nature. But see my first comment above, he did not want to be here and I do not blame him one bit.
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The Rams made a great trade.
They have the pieces in place to win and from their perspective keep winning.
They made the move to get Ty Simpson. They have Stafford. Now they have Myles.
So they swapped Verse for Myles. Gave up what should be a low first rounder in 27. A second in 28 and a third in 29.
No real damage but a great shot to win a Super Bowl.
The Browns gave up the best defensive player in football. In return they have a replacement for Myles to play the position. Other than being younger he is good player but he is not Myles.
A second in 28 and a third in 29. We don't know where the picks will be. Most likely the are low in the rounds.
Honestly, I do not think it was enough. The 28 pick should been a first rounder as well.
I wonder if there were other offers?
Obviously, this trade was made to move up in the 27 draft. IMO we did not get enough for Myles.
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It's a good trade,frees up salary that can be used to resign that perv QB.
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What does do this do for the cap? I thought trading Myles was not in the cards because of his huge salary. Will the Browns be completely free of his contract for the ‘27 season?
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Those draft picks are going to be very late 2027 1st rd, very late 2028 2nd round and very late 2029 third round. Better start working on trade up packages for a QB next year. IMO, that may not be enough ammo for a fQB prospect... but without Garrett one could argue we'll still be picking fairly high. Maybe, maybe not. We know we will have 2 1st rounders to trade next year. It sounds like we will pick up a 2028 2nd rounder which could allow is to give up that 1st rounder as well.
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IMO we did not get enough for Myles.
I can see why anyone would think that - but at the end of the day it's a bit like selling your house. It doesn't matter what you think it's worth, it matters what someone will offer you for it. Who knows what commitment/promise was made to go along with the re-signing a couple years ago? And I will maintain, if the guy is steadfast in not wanting to play another losing season for the Browns, then get what you can and let him go. I may not always think highly of Berry's draft picks - but he's shown a good level of competency in his trade negotiations. I would have to believe this is the best deal available and taking it is better than refusing it and keeping an unmotivated player with a penchant for speeding on your roster.
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I am getting more pissed by the minute.
Myles was the first pick in the draft. We had to suck to get that pick.
Baker was the first pick. The first pick guarantees nothing. Myles is a Hall of Famer. It's really hard to draft a player of that caliber.
Verse is averaging about 6/7 sacks a year. The 27 first rounder will be near the bottom.
What did we gain to really get a shot at what "may be" a good quarterback in the 27 draft?
We have weakened the team this year and gained little to impact the draft next year.
Our best chance to to get a quarterback in 27 is to lose every game. Or, hope there is quarterback when we pick.
The only thing that is certain is we are worse right now then we were yesterday.
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IMO we did not get enough for Myles.
I can see why anyone would think that - but at the end of the day it's a bit like selling your house. It doesn't matter what you think it's worth, it matters what someone will offer you for it. That parallel only works if you are 100% committed to selling your house. We didn't HAVE to trade the cornerstone of our defense... unless we are attempting a rebuild of some scale. If it's a rebuild, then I say commit to it and trade Ward as well.
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What does do this do for the cap? I thought trading Myles was not in the cards because of his huge salary. Will the Browns be completely free of his contract for the ‘27 season?
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What does do this do for the cap? I thought trading Myles was not in the cards because of his huge salary. Will the Browns be completely free of his contract for the ‘27 season? Thank you for posting that. I'm reading it now, and that article is stating that the draft comp could be more than the 3 picks disclosed? If so, now we're talking.
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IMO we did not get enough for Myles.
I can see why anyone would think that - but at the end of the day it's a bit like selling your house. It doesn't matter what you think it's worth, it matters what someone will offer you for it. That parallel only works if you are 100% committed to selling your house. We didn't HAVE to trade the cornerstone of our defense... unless we are attempting a rebuild of some scale. If it's a rebuild, then I say commit to it and trade Ward as well. On the other hand, your house can't ask you to sell it. And houses don't have no trade clauses which limit the potential buyers. From Myles perspective, it may have been LA or bust. His GF was born and raised in Cali, lives, and trains there. Plus, he wanted to go to a contender. We don't know what we got yet. There's a non-zero chance Verse ascends, Myles descends, and the Rams perform below expectations, and the picks will have to work themselves out wherever they end up landing. I don't love it, but I don't hate it. I think some people are undervaluing Verse.
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I hope there is more.
Rams first and a player who has 14 career sacks. The Rams are on the track to win a Super Bowl.
First rounder is pick 32 or close.
So that pick is going to get us to the top pick QB in 2027?
Right now I am not liking this. Berry traded for DW and now traded the best player in football.
How do we trade Myles if we cannot be sure to have the ammo to get the top QB in the draft.
Parsons brought more?
I just read this:
The rest of the compensation includes a 2028 second-round pick and a 2029 third-round pick.
Not enough the way I see it. Not happy. I would argue Parsons did NOT bring more... Parsons trade brought the Cowboys: 30 year old Kenny Clark(worth about a 3rd round pick), not the same level as Verse. MAYBE worth a 2nd on his own, probably would trade as a 3rd on his own. 2026 first (20 overall) 2027 first Garrett 25 year old Jared Verse(worth your second 1st round pick, if traded today on his own, I would be shocked if he didn't bring a first round pick. He has lived up to his #19 overall draft pick. 2027 first 2028 second 2029 third We won't know what the value of the later picks are until the seasons end obviously, but a 2nd and 3rd can obviously = a first. My point here is, I believe a 25 year old Verse entering his prime is worth a lot more to a defense than a 30 year old Clark who was declining. Obviously we would then have to debate the value of Parson's vs Garrett as well.. We are probably biased towards Garrett, but it is 30 year old Garrett vs 26 year old Parsons.
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IMO we did not get enough for Myles.
I can see why anyone would think that - but at the end of the day it's a bit like selling your house. It doesn't matter what you think it's worth, it matters what someone will offer you for it. That parallel only works if you are 100% committed to selling your house. We didn't HAVE to trade the cornerstone of our defense... unless we are attempting a rebuild of some scale. If it's a rebuild, then I say commit to it and trade Ward as well. On the other hand, your house can't ask you to sell it. And houses don't have no trade clauses which limit the potential buyers. From Myles perspective, it may have been LA or bust. His GF was born and raised in Cali, lives, and trains there. Plus, he wanted to go to a contender. We don't know what we got yet. There's a non-zero chance Verse ascends, Myles descends, and the Rams perform below expectations, and the picks will have to work themselves out wherever they end up landing. I don't love it, but I don't hate it. I think some people are undervaluing Verse. I forgot about the no-trade clause. Good point. I think I'm getting hung up on only 3 picks spread over 3 years. I'm not sure that's enough ammo to go and get yourself a legit QB prospect.
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The Browns may as well move Denzel.
We are not going to win many games so if you are going to be bad. Be the worst.
As much as I hate this. It probably makes sense.
The only way trading Myles makes any sense is to land the best QB in the 27 draft. They did not assure that with the trade.
They did make the team worse. Trading Denzel gives them more picks and should help worsen the team.
2026 will once again be spent looking at the draft.
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Those draft picks are going to be very late 2027 1st rd, very late 2028 2nd round and very late 2029 third round. Better start working on trade up packages for a QB next year. IMO, that may not be enough ammo for a fQB prospect... but without Garrett one could argue we'll still be picking fairly high. With Garrett we have drafted: 2018 1st overall2019 traded for OBJ (16th overall) 2020 10th overall2021 26th overall 2022 traded for Watson ( 13th overall) 2023 traded for Watson ( 12th overall) 2024 traded for Watson (23rd overall) 2025 2nd overall2026 6th overallWITH Garrett, we have finished with top 10 draft picks 4 out of his 9 seasons here. Only twice have they picked in the 20s. So, if they pick outside the top 10 without him this year, does that make this post a moot point?
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I am getting more pissed by the minute.
Myles was the first pick in the draft. We had to suck to get that pick.
Baker was the first pick. The first pick guarantees nothing. Myles is a Hall of Famer. It's really hard to draft a player of that caliber.
Verse is averaging about 6/7 sacks a year. The 27 first rounder will be near the bottom.
What did we gain to really get a shot at what "may be" a good quarterback in the 27 draft?
We have weakened the team this year and gained little to impact the draft next year.
Our best chance to to get a quarterback in 27 is to lose every game. Or, hope there is quarterback when we pick.
The only thing that is certain is we are worse right now then we were yesterday. Verse averaging 6/7 sacks a year? He is only in his 3rd year of his rookie contract. Myles didn't have 23 sacks in his first two years... He had 7 in his first year, then 10.5 his second year. If Verse turns into a double digit sack player with 20+ QB hits, he will be in the top 5 pass rushers in the NFL. He might not be Myles in his prime, but he will be a cornerstone of the Browns defense. We will have to see where he ends up. The part we are all overlooking is that the Browns will continue to be a lower half of the league team searching for a way to make the playoffs every few years or so, with or without Myles. He is now 30, that is going to start declining in the coming few years. He was traded after he got the record for sacks in the entire NFL... which landed us a #6 overall draft position. At the end of the day, they have to fix the QB spot to become a consistent winner. They will probably need draft capital to be in a position to get one. I don't think they will be bad enough to get the #1 overall pick, with or without Garrett. Berry managed to get Myles replacement AND extra draft capital to help make the move in next year's draft.
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IMO we did not get enough for Myles.
I can see why anyone would think that - but at the end of the day it's a bit like selling your house. It doesn't matter what you think it's worth, it matters what someone will offer you for it. That parallel only works if you are 100% committed to selling your house. We didn't HAVE to trade the cornerstone of our defense... unless we are attempting a rebuild of some scale. If it's a rebuild, then I say commit to it and trade Ward as well. We don't know that... Myles might have made that "HAVE to trade" reality. I don't think he goes the entire off season without talking to his new head coach if he wanted to be in a Browns uniform in 2026. I think this was probably initiated by him.
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Well I am sure Myles is happy.
He will be seen in the playoffs by the whole country. Lots of prime time games to showcase his stuff.
Maybe it was. So what? He said he wanted to be traded before. He signed the contract.
What we don't know is could we have gotten more?
Trading Myles probably had to happen. The timing was bad. By the time we are competitive to win in the playoffs if ever.
Myles most likely would have been past his prime and not worth what we ended up getting.
I was not opposed to trading him. I was thinking two first plus more. Verse, two first rounders, and a 28 third.
I am tired of watching bad Browns teams. There are always justifications. However, the results have not changed a damn thing.
The big swing and miss. I could go on and on. I just get angry.
Oh well, I have the Braves and the Guardians.
Maybe when pigs fly the Browns will have a quarterback and a team that could compete for a Super Bowl like the Rams are going to.
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I'm liking it, we were not going to the Super Bowl in the time that MG has left. If he was ever to be traded, now was the time. Did we get a fair return? IDK, we can only wait and see...
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I’m not going to bother to read any other posts because I’m sitting on a beach in paradise and just read the news.
I think it’s a great trade. It was gonna happen before or after the season regardless, I was confident it would happen and said so multiple times. It was our only move left for securing a QB in next year’s feeding frenzy. Yes, it’s likely to be a low 1st but it likely makes our pick slightly higher than it would have been. Our D may not single handedly win games this year. But who knows, the Verse trade essentially makes it 2 firsts plus the rest. He’s just coming into the start of his prime as Garrett is just going over the top of his peak.
From a strategic standpoint I give it an A+. It’s always a bummer to trade your best player and on the very short list of best ever for the franchise but I really do like where we’re headed. 2 very good drafts and teed up for next year. We very well may be a QB away.
Yea, we’ll likely need to make another move next year but this was a must
To get into position. We now have a team to root against!
So Boo Rams! Suck it!
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This is about where I'm at. I think it's a solid trade for the Browns...
How would you grade the trade for both sides?
Browns: A
Rams: C-
The Super Bowl-favorite Rams just dealt for the reigning Defensive Player of the Year coming off a season in which he broke the single-season sack record ... and yet it should be Browns fans celebrating this trade. It's a mighty acquisition for Los Angeles, but it's a massive return for Cleveland -- more than should have reasonably been expected, even for Garrett.
Garrett has been a first-team All-Pro in five of the past six seasons, recorded at least 12.0 sacks in each of the past six seasons, won Defensive Player of the Year two out of the past three seasons and ranks second to only Micah Parsons in both pass rush win rate and pass rush wins over the past four years. But critical to this trade grade is the evaluation of Verse, who might go overlooked in this deal but absolutely should not. He has 12.0 sacks and a 15.3% pass rush win rate at edge (62nd percentile) over his two seasons in the league. That pass rushing undersells his impact, though, because Verse is one of the best run-stopping edges in the league; he ranks second in run stop win rate at edge behind only Maxx Crosby in that span.
The Browns are not contenders in 2026 and are probably a stretch to contend even in 2027. It makes sense for Cleveland to take this deal. But I do not think this is good team building for the Rams that will maximize their chances of a Super Bowl over the next several seasons. There is a clear drop-off from Garrett to Verse, but it's not like Los Angeles is filling a hole here. Add in the massive pay disparity between the two players -- even if both are values relative to their worth -- and it makes it even harder to justify.
The 2026 Rams are better today than they were yesterday. But the cost to the 2027-2030 Rams is too much to justify, and the Browns will reap the benefits. -- Seth Walder ESPN
Now I'll point out the rest...
1. Myles was a ticking time-bomb. Psychologically and physically. The last thing we could afford would be for him to have gone off the rails during the season and demanded a trade. The second worse was the other fuse-a major injury. He's 30, he plays a violent sport, and he's never had a major injury. Not only is that bound to happen (eventually), there could be no worse situation for the Browns than for it to happen this season.
2. Myles wasn’t going to bring a Super Bowl to Cleveland. While he might have won one if he stayed long-term, the gap between our team's reality and his individual brilliance as a 'game-wrecker' was becoming too wide to ignore.
3. Lastly, meaning for the 4529th time, Myles is not NASTY. I've been screaming for NASTY for about a decade now. Even some complementary players around him that played with a short fuse would have worked. Myles sacks you and helps you up. He yucks it up with the opposition the entire game. The only time he's ever seemed angry, it cost him a six game suspension.
Jared Verse IS nasty. He plays with violence, he talks trash, he leaves you lying on the field. He's a tone setter. High motor, speed for days, relentless bull rush.
Now, the flowchart for overcoming natural objections:
Myles was gone... if not this season, next season. Many people wanted (2) 1st round draft picks. Those obviously wouldn't have come in the first season. So... you would have a HUGE hole on defense and a first round draft pick two years in a row.
From that standpoint, we basically got Verse for a 2028 1st round pick, right? And no hole on defense.
Also, we can moan that the Rams pick will be a low 1st round pick. ALL picks in a Myles Garrett trade would be low picks. The only teams willing to ante-up are teams that think he puts them over-the-top, right? Did anyone think someone like the Jets or the Cards would ante up that kind of bank for Garrett? That doesn't happen because teams that suck that bad can't afford to take that risk. And oh yeah, Garrett has a no-trade clause.
I love Myles. It was an absolute pleasure watching him play here in Cleveland. I hope he has a ton of success in what remains of his career. I think this was the right move... for Myles and for the future of the Browns.
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Couldn’t agree more. Except the Nasty thing. I don’t think it matters frankly, nasty or no, every offensive game plan had to be made around Garrett. I love Verse and agree that he may wear off on his teammates more than Garrett (who seemed to be on a personality island) but Garrett not being nasty was never an issue.
Still, I think this was inevitable and necessary and that they got Verse in return makes this a massive win. Yes, they likely still have to make a move to get up higher in the first round next year but they have most of the hard to get ammo now.
We’re on a 2028-29 dome opening timeline. This aligns perfectly with that. Garrett was never going to be here that long. Plus… there’s a very solid chance a 29yr old phenom who’s never had health issues starts to have health issues riiiiiight about this season. Then what’s the trade value? Pulled the trigger at the right time imo.
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If the picks end up in a package and we select a true franchise quarterback.
All is well. We didn't win with Myles.
I was never opposed to moving Myles. I just wanted max return.
Maybe this is the best we could get in return. I don't know the answer to that.
What I know is another year of around Halloween I will be looking at the draft.
It is depressing to know the season is over before it begins. I guess there is always curiosity about the last draft and a new head coach.
Of course I been through that exercise before.
I wonder what it is like to begin a season with a franchise quarterback and be a favorite to win the Super Bowl?
I will have to dust off my memories of 1986 and 87.
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j/c:
Overall, I think people (in general, not just here) aren't fully realizing the value of Verse in this trade. He is a first rounder who is worth more than where he was selected (Rd. 1, Pick 19), still has years left on his contract plus the fifth year option, is five years younger, and has been to the Pro Bowl every year he has been in the NFL plus was the DROY. There has been so much angst about not getting another first rounder but sometimes getting the known first rounder is better.
From what I gather, LA preferred to give up more draft capital (most likely another first round pick) instead of giving up Verse. I think that says a lot in this deal.
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The person made happiest by this trade is Joe Burrow.
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I dusted off my 64 memories of an NFL Championship when I was 16......sad most Browns fans have never seen them as Champions. At 78 I'd love to see us make a Super Bowl....stinks I've seen them all and never had Browns jerseys playing there.....hope eternal....JMHO, Garrett trade smart business, as a football player he has no peers, as a driver on Ohio streets he was a loser/ poor citizen. Go Browns!!!!
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Bone I usually see eye to eye with you on the many topics here but this time I have a small disagreement with you. I love Myles and am sad to see him go but I think it was time. We got some good draft picks in return and a very good player who is younger with upside. Myles will be 31 in December and more prone to injuries. We aren't going to contend for a SB in the next 2 years and after that Myles will probably on the downside of his career. Possibly Verse and other players we acquire with those picks will help us get to a SB. This should also help us with our cap space. Right now, we all have an opinion and nobody knows who will be right or wrong. I honestly think it was a solid trade for both teams. It's all a matter of conjecture and will have to play itself out. I wish MG the best and hope he wins a Super Bowl! Best of luck Myles and thanks for the great memories!!
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The person made happiest by this trade is Joe Burrow. ...Until he gets hit by Jared Verse. It might actually be Chloe Kim.
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I’m good with this trade. Seems like Myles wanted out, anyway. He was a great player, but tbh, he would get four sacks and then disappear for three games. Yes, I know he was absorbing triple teams. But I think with Verse, we can still have an elite defense. I do not see, at least yet, how we turn those two first rounders into Arch, but we’ll see where the picks land and who has No. 1.
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I get it. I do.
It is not like it is about who won the trade? The motive behind the trade is crystal clear.
It was clear when they traded down in the 2025 and 2026 draft.
They are going after an age group. Myles didn't fit.
DW and or Shedeur have one year to prove beyond doubt that they don't need to draft a quarterback in 2027.
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Thank goodness
You went on national TV putting down your team
It's not about the money
Lol, you resigned to the team you didn't want to be with why ?
O yeah the money
You weren't a leader
You were a selfish player who cared about sack totals that didn't mean anything to winning for the team
Running backs ran around you and receivers caught passes behind your back because you suck as an edge.
You didn't care about stopping runs or batting down passes
You only worried about your selfish personal sack record
Oh by the way.. you never got sacks when it meant winning a game
Enjoy LA
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While I never wanted to trade Myles, I had a feeling it was coming. They are building a nice young roster, and a different culture is being presented by the young guys. Myles is the best player in the league, but he is not what I call a team leader. Him stating he wanted out last year, and made a big scene trying to make it happen. The guys in the locker room see that. Him working away from the team in a year when a new head coach and staff comes in, doesn't really show leadership to younger players. IMO, it shows entitlement. That being said, if anyone can miss all the off season stuff and come in and dominate, it is Myles. I'm just looking at it as a change in culture. Let these young players set the culture, oblivious to whatever culture prevailed previously. The camaraderie is built in the offseason, Myles would not have been part of that anyway. He wants a championship, and the front office is giving him a chance to get one. I laugh at all the posters who repeatedly claimed they were screwing a hall of fame career by keeping him, are now claiming it was a bad deal. Loved the guy, but he is a Ram now, so I could care less about him.
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Agree with all your post -
I don't know how good Verse is so I can't comment but based on your input I am very encouraged. With MG being able to choose where he goes, your comment about any draft picks being lower order is spot on.
We might not be a better team today with this trade - but the drop off isn't like stepping off a cliff, if by some miracle we find good QB play this year or simply a QB that excels in Monken's offense, the D is still going go be good. While if we don't find a QB this year - we have a lot more leverage for next year and Verse will be still be here and at his peak in 2-3 years time.
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*Well I am now Marked Safe from getting run down by a Porsche going 120 MPH on my way to the Cleveland Clinic now*
One thing to watch over the next few years. Myles left shoulder. Is it OK or is it still giving him trouble???
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Good Luck Myles.
It was fun watching you play. I wish the team would have been better.
In some ways this might be another ramification of what the DW trade did not accomplish.
You cannot be blamed for wanting to win. Careers are short. There is precious time to win when a team is complete.
We could never get there.
You did your job. The Browns have to chase a quarterback and build a team the right way.
Maybe your final act for the Browns is this trade and it will help both you and the Browns reach the goal.
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IMO we did not get enough for Myles.
I can see why anyone would think that - but at the end of the day it's a bit like selling your house. It doesn't matter what you think it's worth, it matters what someone will offer you for it. That parallel only works if you are 100% committed to selling your house. We didn't HAVE to trade the cornerstone of our defense... unless we are attempting a rebuild of some scale. If it's a rebuild, then I say commit to it and trade Ward as well. I think we did. It has been reported that someone with the Rams was quoted as saying they took Simpson because they knew they weren't going to have a 1st round pick in 27. The deal with the Rams was set back around the draft. Myles has said he wanted to be traded. He obviously still wanted to or he could have voided this trade. We don't know what conversations were made between the team and Myles over the months since the end of the season but it was made clear he still wanted to be traded or it wouldn't have happened. If he was vocal about things during last season, what would have happened this season? Would he have reported to mandatory camps? I think it was clear to the Browns that a trade was going to be the only resolution.
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Just a general comment here on something that seems to be lost on some. Verse is worth picks. If the rams were to have traded the guy straight up to some team, it would have cost more than a 1st round pick. It would be more like two 1st rounders.
Some need to quit acting like a team could have tossed a 5th rounder at the Rams to get the guy.
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What is the value of Jared Verse?
I asked AI if Verse was to be traded by the Rams what would teams give up?
The answer was multiple picks in the first round. Two top 15 first rounders.
That surprised me because I really did not know his value.
If that is true. Then we did alright.
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What is the value of Jared Verse?
I asked AI if Verse was to be traded by the Rams what would teams give up?
The answer was multiple picks in the first round. Two top 15 first rounders.
That surprised me because I really did not know his value.
If that is true. Then we did alright. What is the value of Jared Verse?
The answer was multiple picks in the first round. Two top 15 first rounders.
That surprised me because I really did not know his value.
If that is true. Then we did alright. Thanks
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Having thought about it yea it sucks to lose Myles but Verse is pretty good and younger. Also, the Browns could use the 1st round pick they got from the Rams, and their own, to try and move up and take one of the top QBs, or another top prospect, in the 2027 draft.
The last couple of drafts have been good. Many NFL pundits like what the Browns did and are saying they are a team on the rise. I hope they are right.
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The dust has settled.
The Browns are all in for the 2027 draft.
The long view is the opening of the new stadium in 29. The Browns will go after a franchise quarterback in the 27 draft.
He may not start the season in 27. That depends on a few other factors. Like who do they draft and will he be ready?
The other factor is what happens in 26?
I can see a world where Arch Manning is the starter. It will be interesting to watch Texas this season.
There are others of course. However, you can bet that the Browns have been scouting hard and will continue.
We have draft capital. We also could lose a lot this year. Wherever the draft order ends? The Browns are plotting a move to the front.
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Isn't it ridiculous. We as Browns fans have already pretty much written off the next 2 seasons. Kind of pathetic but it is the reality. I am hoping that our O-Line gels quickly and we get some decent QB and WR play so we can compete but that may be wishful thinking. The reality of being a Browns fan.
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Verse is not Myles but he is no slouch.
Our record will once again be dependent upon QB play.
The team is building a young core with the last two drafts.
I don't do predictions. Honestly I have no idea how we will play. Lots of different parts. Starting with a new head coach.
Losing Myles does mean that we lose. We lost with Myles. It is about the play of the team.
DW may start. Shedeur may finish. Who knows? The fall back is the 27 draft.
Nobody can say who will be the best quarterback in that draft. We will know more as the season unfolds.
I will probably watch more college games than I ever have. I want to really see the QB class.
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What we don't know is could we have gotten more? Maybe you should ask yourself if they could have gotten more why would they have taken less? Myles had a no trade clause giving him control over what teams he could be traded to. That alone limits the teams Myles could be traded to. I'm not a huge fan of Berry but I am pretty certain he wouldn't have taken less if he could have gotten more.
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Two decisions that look almost identical on paper can lead to completely different outcomes depending on when they’re made and how they’re executed. The ability to accurately assess consequences and understand when the timing is right is often what separates success from failure.
Andrew Berry has probably made plenty of decisions that were logical in isolation. The problem is that his timing has often been catastrophically bad. When you stack that many poorly timed decisions on top of each other over six years, eventually you end up with the Cleveland Browns.
Trading for Deshaun Watson would have been 100% the right move sometime between 2017 and 2020. After that? Every decision connected to acquiring him was wrong. Not just wrong — spectacularly, historically, “future documentary episode” wrong.
Not extending Baker Mayfield was both right and wrong. There were valid football reasons to hesitate. But failing to support him through the 2021 season while he was playing through injury was both morally questionable and economically shortsighted. It showed a complete inability to evaluate the broader consequences of the decision.
What message did that send to the locker room? To the fanbase? To the media?
If Baker had struggled in 2020, the decision would have been much easier to justify. Instead, Berry and Stefanski essentially watched their most important offensive player limp through an entire season and then acted surprised when things got messy. That’s not strategy. That’s timing malpractice.
Now we get to Myles Garrett. Could trading him be justified from a pure asset-management perspective? Maybe. But is the timing right? I have serious doubts. If you’re going to tear down a roster, it usually helps if you’ve already built something worth tearing down first.
Since Berry became GM in 2020, the roster has steadily declined and the results have followed the same trajectory. Today we’re sitting at an all-time low. After six years, the excuses have run out.
A general manager has the ultimate responsibility for the direction of the franchise. At the end of the day, the scoreboard doesn’t care about process, spreadsheets, analytics models, or PowerPoint presentations. Results are the measuring stick.
So here’s the simple question:
How many years are we talking before the Browns are truly competitive again?
One?
Two?
Because if the answer is anything longer than that, we’re basically asking Browns fans to trust a GPS that’s been driving us straight into Lake Erie for six years.
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Great read. Pretty long so I clipped a few parts: Where we're at...And that roster simply wasn't close to competing for a title, even with Garrett on the field. The Browns were another great draft away from being another great draft away. Berry had five top-90 picks in 2026 and added four offensive players, including receivers KC Concepcion and Denzel Boston and left tackle Spencer Fano, but the Browns still don't have any quarterback of note. Watson is a free agent after the season and coming off a season lost to an Achilles injury, and Shedeur Sanders' 18.9 Total QBR was the second-worst mark of any signal-caller in the NFL who threw at least 100 passes last season. What we got in Verse...Verse, meanwhile, still has three years of cost control, with two years left on his rookie contract before a potential fifth-year option in 2028. After winning Defensive Rookie of the Year amid a weak class during his debut season with the Rams, Verse was devastating during their brief playoff run in 2024, racking up two sacks and a 57-yard fumble return for a score. I was one of the many who had hopes that Verse could take a leap and challenge to be among the league's most impactful pass rushers in 2025. That sort of season never really came together. Verse was named to the Pro Bowl for the second time and produced 7.5 sacks, but he was overshadowed at times by Young and Turner. He did lead the team with three tackles for loss and seven quarterback hits during the postseason run, but at first glance, it felt as if Verse left some meat on the bone in his sophomore season. Under the hood, I'm not sure those concerns are warranted. Verse's 27 quarterback knockdowns were just two short of Young's team-leading 29. Verse matched his fellow edge rusher in terms of pressure rate (just under 14%) and quick pressure rate (4%). And he did that while being double-teamed twice as often as Young. Verse's 4% quarterback pressure over expectation rate (QBPOE) led the team, per Next Gen Stats.
Verse has already been very good, and I'm still quite optimistic that he can be the best player on an elite defense. Garrett's athleticism makes other NFL players look as if they're stuck in quicksand. Verse isn't quite that devastating, but he has to have some of the heaviest hands and rates as one of the most physical edges in the league. He's a hammer on twists, to which Mekhi Becton can attest, and he has the physical strength to manhandle even elite linemen like Tristan Wirfs and Joe Thuney on snaps. (Verse driving Thuney backward is what got Caleb Williams running backward on the Bears' tying Hail Mary touchdown in the fourth quarter of the divisional round classic.)Verse also has the athleticism to beat linemen into gaps or rush around them. Last season, the Rams even used Verse lined up over the center and saw him destroy Colts pivot Tanor Bortolini. The play was reminiscent, of course, of how Jim Schwartz and the Browns used Garrett as a stand-up rusher to torment interior linemen in years past. Verse was the best player on the field in that game against Indy, soundly beating both Bortolini and left tackle Bernhard Raimann. In a league in which great pass rushers are going to be commanding a minimum of $30 million per season moving forward, Verse will make just $5 million over the next two years combined before an eventual 2028 fifth-year option, where he probably still will be undervalued. Surplus value doesn't mean quite as much when the Browns don't expect to compete over the next couple of seasons, but Verse represents a building block who projects to be in his peak when the Browns are out from under their cap mess and presumably have a quarterback around whom to build. There's a non-zero chance he's more productive than Garrett over the next three to five years at a fraction of the cost, which would make this an enormous victory for Cleveland. If the Rams had decided to make Verse available, I believe they would have been able to land a first-round pick and a significant additional selection, potentially a second-round pick, for their young edge rusher. Factor all that in and this return looks pretty strong for the Browns, who land the equivalent of two first-round picks, two second-round picks and a third-round selection for Garrett. If the organization had decided that it was going to trade Garrett, I'm not sure the return was ever going to be richer than this. Why this was probably a win-win for both teams... The Browns realized a significant and logical return for a player whose best remaining seasons were going to be wasted alongside a hopeless roster, and they'll be in a better position to build a winner two years from now. The Rams can't guarantee a title by adding Garrett, and it hurts to lose Verse, but this was a chance to bring in what might potentially be the most talented and productive peak player acquired in any trade during most of our lifetimes.
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Just my random 2 cents:
We swapped Myles for a 2x Pro Bowler that has only 2 years in the league so far and is entering his third year of his rookie contract.
We now have the '24 & '25 Defensive Rookies of the Year on the same defense.
It SUCKS to lose Myles, and I wish him the best, but in terms of how this changes games for us, it probably doesn't alter things all that much.
Verse actually has more QB pressures over the last two years than Myles and is 4th in Pass-Rush Win Rate among edge rushers.
Per ESPN "he is one of the best run-stopping edges in the league. In fact, he ranks second in run stop win rate at edge behind only Maxx Crosby in that span (two seasons).”
We got 6 years younger, cleared $8 million in CAP space this year, and added a '27 1st, '28 2nd, and '29 3rd.
Myles wins, Browns win... LA might win. There really aren't any losers in this deal.
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We all know Myles is an athletic alien, and I am not trying to say Verse is or ever will be as good. But I compared their combine performances and it was very interesting. Verse ran a 4.58 40 and Myles a 4.64. Myles did 33 reps on the bench and Verse did 31. Myles had a 41 inch vertical, Verse 35, Verse had a 1.60 10-yard split, Myles a 1.61. Broad jump Verse 10.8, Myles 10.7. The point is, I guess, Verse was also an elite prospect, and his career is off to a great start. He isn’t Myles, but he is a helluva player.
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The burning question we are all holding now: "What does MKC think?" Consider the Cowherd source.
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Good points all, Purp! Statistically, we are talking about trading Myles freaking Garrett. And these stats almost suggest to me that we may have trades up. I will miss playmaking by MG, loved his work. I wish him the best. Get bring! Thanks for your contributions and achievements.
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Could be we traded for the next great edge rusher. Maybe another MG?
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We all know Myles is an athletic alien, and I am not trying to say Verse is or ever will be as good. But I compared their combine performances and it was very interesting. Verse ran a 4.58 40 and Myles a 4.64. Myles did 33 reps on the bench and Verse did 31. Myles had a 41 inch vertical, Verse 35, Verse had a 1.60 10-yard split, Myles a 1.61. Broad jump Verse 10.8, Myles 10.7. The point is, I guess, Verse was also an elite prospect, and his career is off to a great start. He isn’t Myles, but he is a helluva player. Along those lines, I saw this earlier today...
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Agree, 100%.....now Miles gets to test LA cops while driving around the city. Smart play by our GM, he gets younger, gets less expensive for years, and he only loses so much production. We didn't win much with Miles, one player doesn't fix a team. And we pick up several top 100 picks in years to come. We gave up a great, but got better for the future.....GO Browns!!!!
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Myles being traded is not a ringing endorsement for our quarterbacks.
If they thought either had a future with the Browns why trade Myles? His window would fit if the timing and age factor means anything.
Now we have more money a younger team and a lot of draft assets.
This all points to 2029 with the new stadium.
Life will go on as usual. Meaning Monken will try to win with what he has.
Who knows what that will look like? But the baseline plan is to find the quarterback in the 27 draft.
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Myles being traded is not a ringing endorsement for our quarterbacks.
If they thought either had a future with the Browns why trade Myles? His window would fit if the timing and age factor means anything.
Now we have more money a younger team and a lot of draft assets.
This all points to 2029 with the new stadium.
Life will go on as usual. Meaning Monken will try to win with what he has.
Who knows what that will look like? But the baseline plan is to find the quarterback in the 27 draft.
I agree 100% that it seems there is no ringing endorsement for the QBs. I don't think the Browns had a choice on the trade. I believe Myles told them trade me or hear me trash the situation as soon as they didn't hire Schwartz. It immediately told Myles he doesn't have any influence, which as a player, he shouldn't. Looking forward to the new stadium and new opportunities to win.
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2029 would be what, year 8 or year 9 for Berry? I've heard of giving someone a little leash but dear God man you would think at some point there would be a limit. I guess not.
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In no particular order:
OUCH - reading Wirfs (who we did not pick) being considered and elite OT.
Yes - Verse has value whether you equate it to picks or not. He's clearly very good. He fills the void MG left. He's younger and we get the 2027 first rounder. It really is a perfect set up. As Fate said - whoever we traded with was going to be a low first round pick. MG was in control of that.
It can't be a shock to anyone - fan or coaching staff - that the QB situation is not looking favorable. We all saw DW play for 19 games and he was crap for 85% of those games. We say Sanders play and while he flashed a little on some deep balls and showed some ability to be coached ... he did not look like a future FQB.
Suddenly the man in the know mentions MG's shoulder!! Oh My ... watch this space.
When can the Browns be good? The D is in good shape. The draft class of Fannin, Judkins and Schwesinger hopefully only gets better. The rookie draft class has the potential to have a similar impact. The OL has been overhauled with FA's (and a 1st round LT) ... I think we are selling this team short if we think it's 2 years away. I think a top 2 or 3 QB in a deep QB class in next year's draft and we can compete. Hopefully Monken is the guy - that'll be another big factor.
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Irish, none of the QB's we have deserve a ringing endorsement. They have to prove themselves. It is what it is my friend.
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When can the Browns be good? The D is in good shape. The draft class of Fannin, Judkins and Schwesinger hopefully only gets better. The rookie draft class has the potential to have a similar impact. The OL has been overhauled with FA's (and a 1st round LT) ... I think we are selling this team short if we think it's 2 years away. I think a top 2 or 3 QB in a deep QB class in next year's draft and we can compete. Hopefully Monken is the guy - that'll be another big factor. 100%... and a good launch for the point I keep forgetting to make. We spend waaay too much time as fans thinking we know what's going through the FOs heads. We are not mailing it in for the next couple years. Nobody is trying synchronize "the path" with the new stadium. That would be crazy. Getting full value for generational talent is not because we need a new QB, the timing just happens to intersect with the fact that we might. I'd say that even if we were 80-90% sure Sanders was the man, and just needed two seasons to make take us to the Promised Land; there's still a great chance this trade would have gone down. jmo
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Irish, none of the QB's we have deserve a ringing endorsement. They have to prove themselves. It is what it is my friend. No argument from me, I agree. It would be a huge surprise to me if one of them showed promise this season. I fully expect to get a one year contract year out of Watson. It's really a no win situation for Sanders. Most QBs get about 3 years to show marked improvement, but he is a 5th round guy that I don't think is franchise material. We need to find the guy in next year's draft if all goes well in the college season.
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Myles being traded is not a ringing endorsement for our quarterbacks.
If they thought either had a future with the Browns why trade Myles? His window would fit if the timing and age factor means anything.
Now we have more money a younger team and a lot of draft assets.
This all points to 2029 with the new stadium.
Life will go on as usual. Meaning Monken will try to win with what he has.
Who knows what that will look like? But the baseline plan is to find the quarterback in the 27 draft.
and Myles had a No-Trade clause he had to agree to waive in order for this to happen, so whatever else there is Myles agrees that we have no QB (which we all know already, though some continue to hold out hope)
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Agreed. If there was a best time to trade Myles it was now after the stellar season he had. I feel he is at his peak right now and barring injuries he has another 2-3 years of top end production. As far as the next couple of seasons I don't think we're mailing anything in, I just feel that no one believes we are legit contenders. IF our O-Line comes together quicker than expected, IF we get decent to good QB play and IF our passing game develops faster we might contend for a playoff spot. A lot of IF's LOL 
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2029 would be what, year 8 or year 9 for Berry? I've heard of giving someone a little leash but dear God man you would think at some point there would be a limit. I guess not. This is what I just don’t understand. The culture around sports in America seems completely different from what we’re used to in Europe. No serious organization—what we’d call a football club—would keep a Director of Football or General Manager with a track record like Andrew Berry’s for this long. It’s practically unheard of. In Europe, managers and sporting directors get fired all the time when results aren’t good enough. Sometimes twice in the same season. Clubs like Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Juventus, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, or Manchester United would eat an unsuccessful executive like Berry alive. These people are paid millions to improve results, not make them worse. The Browns have been bad for years. Most of the major decisions have backfired. The quarterback situation—the single most important position in sports—is still a massive question mark. And to make matters worse, all signs point toward several more seasons where we’re nowhere near good enough to compete with the league’s elite. What drives me crazy is the complete lack of urgency. The results get worse, yet there seems to be almost no reaction from a large part of the fanbase. On this board, the majority still defends a front office that has consistently failed to deliver. That is absolutely mind-boggling to me. Andrew Berry earns millions of dollars. He doesn’t deserve loyalty simply because he’s a nice guy or because he sounds smart in press conferences. This is a results business, not a charity organization. FFS, PitDAWG—even though we’ve disagreed plenty over the years, you deserve better. We all deserve better.My favorite soccer team just had its best season in years. Honestly, it’s improved my quality of life. I sleep better. I’m more relaxed. I actually look forward to weekends because I know my team has a chance to win. When I watch the Browns, I go into most games expecting them to lose. Realistically, they’ll probably lose around 75% of their games. That’s depressing. So how can anyone still accept this? His job is to make the Browns better. If six seasons isn’t enough time to evaluate a General Manager, then I honestly don’t know what is. At some point, accountability has to matter. And if Browns fans keep accepting failure, they’ll keep getting more of it.
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Eagles made play for Myles Garrett, but Browns wanted Jalen Carter
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Published June 2, 2026 08:00 PM
On Monday morning, before the Browns traded defensive end Myles Garrett to the Rams, Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer flagged the Rams, Cowboys, and Eagles as potential destinations.
Multiple reports have indicated that the Browns wanted defensive tackle Jalen Carter from the Eagles, but that the Eagles weren’t interested in that.
Via Jeff Kerr of SI.com, the Eagles offered Nolan Smith or Jalyx Hunt instead.
The Eagles’ insistence on keeping Carter is a bit confusing, given that the forward-looking Eagles have yet to sign Carter to a second contract. In March, after the Eagles signed defensive tackle Jordan Davis to a new deal, it was leaked that they have gotten calls about Carter, which often is part of a strategy aimed at getting more.
The challenge for the Eagles as to Carter is his fifth-year option salary of $27.1 million in 2027. Given that number, he may be looking for a market-level deal well in excess of $30 million in new-money average.
For 2026, Carter is due to make only $3.723 million in the fourth year of his first-round rookie deal. He shouldn’t set foot on a practice field until he gets his second deal. The team’s refusal to include him in a trade package for Garrett should only strengthen Carter’s resolve in that regard
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The Rams are 1 Stafford injury away from the Browns picking 2x in the top 10
Plus, Myles hasn't really been able to stay healthy. He's had to play through a lot on injuries in the last 2 years.
Hip, Ankle, Foot, Achilles and 20 yards of KT Tape on his shoulders.
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The OL has been overhauled with FA's (and a 1st round LT) ... IIRC Zion Johnson (OG) was also a 1st round pick in 2022(?). And unless I am mistaken. Howard was another 1st rounder....
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What I wonder is .. was this trade promised to Garret before he signed his extension last year. Was he given the no trade clause so the Browns could not trade him to Atlanta or Arizona. He wanted approval over any trade, but he wanted to be traded. He obviously agreed to the trade. The Browns wanted to find the best way to get a top draft pick .. two first rounders plus a second should do it.
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I have held off too much commentary on this trade. I wanted to know what the Browns actually got back. I admit that I did not like the trade immediately. I didn't feel that we got enough ..... but I also knew nothing at all about Verse. I find myself feeling a lot better as I learned more about him. It is obvious that Myles wanted gone yesterday, and Verse seems really excited to be coming here. Is Verse Myles V2? No. Can he be an effective DE? I believe so. This might wind up being one of those rare trades that helps both teams. Enjoy LA Taxes Myles.  lol
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What I wonder is .. was this trade promised to Garret before he signed his extension last year. I alluded to this in my first post when I said "Who knows what commitment/promise was made to go along with the re-signing a couple years ago? " - I could easily see a scenario where there was an agreement that if the Browns didn't achieve "X" by 2026 - he would get his trade to a team of his choice.
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We need to be tanking and praying. The MG loss is real immediately. Verse remains to be seen. Our offense will need to improve to win games. May strait a fire sale on vets: If MG can go, market and cash out other assets. Good luck, Myles.!
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What I wonder is .. was this trade promised to Garret before he signed his extension last year. Was he given the no trade clause so the Browns could not trade him to Atlanta or Arizona. He wanted approval over any trade, but he wanted to be traded. He obviously agreed to the trade. The Browns wanted to find the best way to get a top draft pick .. two first rounders plus a second should do it. I don't know about a promise to trade him, but probably a promise to look for suitable trade. Moving back the bonus was the only way that could happen, so for all intents and purposes everybody who mattered knew that Myles wasn't going to be on the team this year. Myles wasn't happy in Cleveland and wasn't going to be unless he was traded.
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A lot being said about Myles off season travel schedule etc.. "It's become part of his normal routine in the offseason", "He has earned his travel schedule as a veteran", "Don't read into his travel as anything negative", "He's been very busy traveling, we don't expect him here as a veteran"....Fast forward, he's traded to LA and he is there immediately for a press conference. What happened to the strict travel schedule?
Myles wanted this to happen and frankly, I think they did a great job of getting the return they did because of it.
Love Myles, wish him the best, but looking out for MY team, welcome aboard Jared and let's move forward in a positive manner. Might be a move needed to get over the hump.
All the talking heads are complaining about Berry not "shopping Myles". Myles Garrett needs a very specific deal. There are going to be very few opportunities or suitors for a player like him. I don't know what fantasy scenario they think they were going to get more. First off, they are underscoring Jared Verse in all of this. I don't think Verse is magically going to go out and get 24 sacks to break Myles record, but he is a guy that a defense can be built around. To get him and the extra draft compensation is amazing.
The only other rumored offer was Philly offering AJ Brown and two first round draft picks. Again, these draft picks would be low picks, just like LA's. But, when you look at the player's, I would hands down take 25 year old Jared Verse over 28(29 this month) year old AJ Brown. Verse will keep the defense humming along. Brown might have been a veteran presence in the WR room, but hopefully these players currently on the roster will grow into that role. We don't have a young Jared Verse on the roster. The defense would have suffered immensely without him as part of the deal. I don't know that the offense would have grown significantly with Brown.
What other trade scenario(That Myles would approve) can anyone come up with?
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When I first heard this. I was pissed.
As a Browns fan it has been rough to find something to cheer about. Myles was something to cheer about.
He was a Brown. He was ours. And he was the best defensive player in the NFL. I was happy when he set the sack record.
It was something to be proud of.
Then you look at our record which has been dismal. Myles has been on the team for nine years.
The cold truth is sometimes hard to face. DW and Shedeur Sanders are trying to win the starter's job.
Who would like to bet their house on winning a Super Bowl with either guy leading the Browns?
The 2027 draft represents real possibilities to draft a franchise quarterback. Of course there are no guarantees.
How to win a Super Bowl:
Elite quarterback play is the greatest predictor of sustained success. Teams either need an established superstar or a young, highly capable QB on a cost-controlled rookie contract.
Wow that sounds so easy doesn't it? In fact we all know the Browns don't have that. Can DW or Shedeur be that?
Not likely.
Haslam and Berry are fully aware of what needs to happen.
The 2026 is getting closer and we have our roster. Watching the players drafted from 25 and 26 draft will be important because they represent the future.
The 2027 draft represents the chance to find the quarterback who can lead the Browns to their first Super Bowl.
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I feel good about everything that has happened.
I wish the timelines worked with Myles and the team , but they didn't. It is what it is. Time to focus on getting a QB and setting a new timeline.
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I think we did very well with the trade. If Verse is 70% the player Myles is it's even better. He's happy to be coming here and he has upside. People are saying the picks we got will be low in the round because the Rams are good. Sure, that's the way it looks now but Stafford is a year older and has a bad back. If he goes down the Rams could lose 10 games or more in a tough division. Moreover, we could package those Rams picks with our #1 and move up to get our QB in "27. Many different scenarios to ponder. I'm hoping we can seriously contend for a playoff spot and win 9-10 games but for that to happen everything has to fall into place and there are too many ifs. Most likely it will be a 6-win season and another top 10 pick. If that's the case, we won't have to move up very far.
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When I first heard this. I was pissed.
As a Browns fan it has been rough to find something to cheer about. Myles was something to cheer about.
He was a Brown. He was ours. And he was the best defensive player in the NFL. I was happy when he set the sack record.
It was something to be proud of.
Then you look at our record which has been dismal. Myles has been on the team for nine years.
The cold truth is sometimes hard to face. DW and Shedeur Sanders are trying to win the starter's job.
Who would like to bet their house on winning a Super Bowl with either guy leading the Browns?
The 2027 draft represents real possibilities to draft a franchise quarterback. Of course there are no guarantees.
How to win a Super Bowl:
Elite quarterback play is the greatest predictor of sustained success. Teams either need an established superstar or a young, highly capable QB on a cost-controlled rookie contract.
Wow that sounds so easy doesn't it? In fact we all know the Browns don't have that. Can DW or Shedeur be that?
Not likely.
Haslam and Berry are fully aware of what needs to happen.
The 2026 is getting closer and we have our roster. Watching the players drafted from 25 and 26 draft will be important because they represent the future.
The 2027 draft represents the chance to find the quarterback who can lead the Browns to their first Super Bowl. Before the trade I seen some value in Deshaun Watson winning the QB job and possibly having a good season. I no longer see any value there. I think it is clear and quite obvious now that the Browns are building a team to be competitive before and during the opening of the new stadium. Even if Watson has a good year, I doubt he is the QB for 2029. At this point I think 2026 season at QB is all about Sheduer Sanders. He either plays well and the team wins some games and stays competitive in the AFC North, or he falls flat and the team tanks with SS at the helm. If he tanks the Browns will be sellers at the trade deadline with both Denzil Ward and Grant Delpit. Denzil just like Garrett deserves to be on a winner and by the time this team will win if they are drafting the FQB in 2027 he will be on the wrong side of 30. Delpit could be resigned by the trade deadline, and he is still young enough to be part of the youth movement but if they have not resigned him by the deadline might as well trade him before he leaves as a free agent in the off season if the team is not winning this season.
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It looks like the 3rd round pick in the deal is conditional. I'm curious what those conditions are. Are they could go higher conditions, or might not get it conditions? I'm hoping the former, but that can be dangerous as a Browns fan. Haven't been able to track down any details yet.
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Right???!! Dude just took a HUGE pay cut.
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When I first heard this. I was pissed.
As a Browns fan it has been rough to find something to cheer about. Myles was something to cheer about.
He was a Brown. He was ours. And he was the best defensive player in the NFL. I was happy when he set the sack record.
It was something to be proud of.
Then you look at our record which has been dismal. Myles has been on the team for nine years.
The cold truth is sometimes hard to face. DW and Shedeur Sanders are trying to win the starter's job.
Who would like to bet their house on winning a Super Bowl with either guy leading the Browns?
The 2027 draft represents real possibilities to draft a franchise quarterback. Of course there are no guarantees.
How to win a Super Bowl:
Elite quarterback play is the greatest predictor of sustained success. Teams either need an established superstar or a young, highly capable QB on a cost-controlled rookie contract.
Wow that sounds so easy doesn't it? In fact we all know the Browns don't have that. Can DW or Shedeur be that?
Not likely.
Haslam and Berry are fully aware of what needs to happen.
The 2026 is getting closer and we have our roster. Watching the players drafted from 25 and 26 draft will be important because they represent the future.
The 2027 draft represents the chance to find the quarterback who can lead the Browns to their first Super Bowl. Well stated, I couldn't agree more I feel good about everything that has happened.
I wish the timelines worked with Myles and the team , but they didn't. It is what it is. Time to focus on getting a QB and setting a new timeline. Same with Joe Thomas or Phil Dawson... It always seems to be that the timelines are off... The final statement is exactly what we need! A worthy QB is the only way we get over the hump. A rookie in 2027 would be on course for a 2029 run. So, this young team they are putting together will be solid veterans right about they time they open the new stadium. That doesn't mean we have to lose double digit games for the next 3 seasons. Growth and continuity will be key in ramping up for a run.
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It looks like the 3rd round pick in the deal is conditional. I'm curious what those conditions are. Are they could go higher conditions, or might not get it conditions? I'm hoping the former, but that can be dangerous as a Browns fan. Haven't been able to track down any details yet. Not much to see here. The Browns 3rd round pick becomes a 1st round pick if the Rams trade Garrett to a team in the AFC North. It's just a poison pill.
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When can the Browns be good? The D is in good shape. The draft class of Fannin, Judkins and Schwesinger hopefully only gets better. The rookie draft class has the potential to have a similar impact. The OL has been overhauled with FA's (and a 1st round LT) ... I think we are selling this team short if we think it's 2 years away. I think a top 2 or 3 QB in a deep QB class in next year's draft and we can compete. Hopefully Monken is the guy - that'll be another big factor. I think the answer to that question is different depending on one may view things. What ones definition of "good" is for example. Is the ability to simply "compete" mean you're "good"? If you compete and lose by 3 points or less in several games are you good? Would having the ability to compete in games but only win 6 games mean you're good? I get those are loaded questions and the answer as I suggested may be different depending on who you ask. But let's set a standard as a goal of what most people would consider good. Winning your own division would be good staring line for good. Going further than that would be better but we need a baseline with which to define the discussion. And I won't say the Browns "can't" do that over the next two seasons I just try to look at the likelihood. We don't have a QB on the roster who has shown they can be "good" in a Browns uniform. Will an improved OL help? That all depends even though one would think it will at first glance. When watson first got here we had a very good OL. Did that help? If it did I didn't see it. Would a better running game help with a better OL? Watson came here in 2022. In 2022 the Browns rushed for 2,490 total yards on 532 attempts, averaging 4.7 yards per carry and 146.5 rushing yards per game. This rushing offense ranked 6th overall in the NFL yet the Browns won 7 games in 2022. However watson only played in 6 games that year but that's still above his average games per season he has played since hes been here, so there's that. 2023 looked much better but we had Flacco. So the juggernaut needed to make the whole thing work is a QB which we haven't seen on the roster. Something they don't have. So while we may see improvement this season, "good" may be a hard nut to crack. For the sake of argument let's say they draft a top rookie QB in the 2027 draft. It's rare that a rookie QB comes into the league and hits the ground running. The speed of the game and acclimating to the NFL is a monstrous task. Their rookie seasons are usually just getting their feet wet and settling in. Like I said, what defines good varies from person to person. I certainly think we should be seeing improvement because of all the things you mentioned. And maybe I'm a little more cautious about this past draft than you are. As of now it all looks good on paper. As of now there's certainly cause for optimism regarding this years draft class. But as with every draft, you never know until they take the field on game days. I'm certainly not saying the Browns can't be good over the course of the next two seasons. However I don't believe many of us thinking we should be cautious and temper our expectations are selling them short or overlooking anything.
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Right???!! Dude just took a HUGE pay cut. When you make that kind of money it doesn't hit you quite as hard. 
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Right???!! Dude just took a HUGE pay cut. When you make that kind of money it doesn't hit you quite as hard. No but... His $29.2M bonus come September is going to cost him an extra $2.9M in tax penalties. His average salary of $40M is going to jump from about $1.1M in Ohio tax to about $5.3M in California tax Over the next 4 years, being in California is going to cost him a starting rookie contract(s) salary per year. Let that sink in, he could pay for Denzel Boston $2.25M and Emmanuel McNeil-Warren $2.09M with the tax difference he is paying, just on his salary.
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I find it odd how people are bringing up Myles taxes in California when Myles himself wanted to and agreed to go there. It seems it was a non issue for him. It's almost as if people have veered away from the football aspect of the conversation and taken it in a direction meant for a different forum.
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Not to mention that California has a "jock tax" that takes extra from in-state and out-of-state athletes.... and he is full-time in-state, now.
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I find it odd how people are bringing up Myles taxes in California when Myles himself wanted to and agreed to go there. It seems it was a non issue for him. It's almost as if people have veered away from the football aspect of the conversation and taken it in a direction meant for a different forum. Just conversation dude. No one is making a mountain out of a mole hill... It's June, there isn't much to talk about.
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Over the next 4 years, being in California is going to cost him a starting rookie contract(s) salary per year. Let that sink in, he could pay for Denzel Boston $2.25M and Emmanuel McNeil-Warren $2.09M with the tax difference he is paying, just on his salary.
...why a player might be more interested in WINNING..rather than being upset over the tax structure in CA. vs OH.
Why is Cleveland considered as one of the worst locations to pursue a Pro football career in..?
The answer is not the tax structure in Ohio...IT IS due to the fact that the Browns are not winners..the Browns are considered by many to be losers.
Myles wants a legit shot at playing for and with A WINNER..!
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Not to mention that California has a "jock tax" that takes extra from in-state and out-of-state athletes.... and he is full-time in-state, now. Cleveland does too
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Over the next 4 years, being in California is going to cost him a starting rookie contract(s) salary per year. Let that sink in, he could pay for Denzel Boston $2.25M and Emmanuel McNeil-Warren $2.09M with the tax difference he is paying, just on his salary.
...why a player might be more interested in WINNING..rather than being upset over the tax structure in CA. vs OH.
Why is Cleveland considered as one of the worst locations to pursue a Pro football career in..?
The answer is not the tax structure in Ohio...IT IS due to the fact that the Browns are not winners..the Browns are considered by many to be losers.
Myles wants a legit shot at playing for and with A WINNER..!Dude, no one is arguing, it's just interesting conversation. Would you rather you come to the boards and see "0" posts every day until pre-season? We know the "why", you aren't a revolutionary in information. There are only 32 teams with 53/54 roster spots in the NFL, EVERY destination is a good destination. There are limited spots to go, very few beg to get out of Cleveland. Great facilities, despite what some outsiders say, it is a great destination city. Very cultural, great night life, yet very family friendly. When players are here, they love it here. Losing weighs on anyone, I'm not taking that away from you. MOST teams are "losers" without a QB. We need to find a QB, not a degenerate that quit on his current team, but someone to grow into a winning organization. This team is set up to win. We have state of the art facilities, an owner who wants to win"maybe to a fault" and is willing to spend what ever it takes to do so. We have a GM that knows how to manipulate the cap structure to maximize those dollars that Haslem gives him a blank check. Players get PAID in Cleveland. THAT is almost as important as winning. Bottom line is we NEED A QB. That isn't happening before at least the next draft, so if you don't mind, we will talk about useless stuff like California income tax until training camp opens and there is something real to talk about...
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Right now for this season it is all about who starts.
Monken is pragmatic. He will start the quarterback he feels will execute the offense best.
Does he care about the future? Yes. But he has to live in the present. That means he runs practice and watches.
There is no fooling the players. Everyone knows who is doing what.
IMO it would be better for the team if Shedeur wins the job. If he begins the season then it is up to him to keep the job. If he doesn't playing DW is an easy decision. A change is made because the results are not good enough.
Then we will have a more complete picture about Shedeur.
Starting DW is different because no matter the results. How can the Browns give him an extension? And what have you learned about Shedeur? Ok he got beat out. But you have not learned if he will perform better in a new offense and with better talent around him.
The future for both players is questionable. But Shedeur has more upside. He is younger. He is not dealing with the injuries that DW has had. An Achilles that was torn twice. He also is getting paid a lot less.
If DW were to lead the team to SB that might change his future with the team. But let's be real. Looking good in OTA's means very little.
DW I'm real games is a different story. His history in Cleveland is a player who looks done and is likely to be injured again.
Monken coaches the players. Berry handles the roster. However, communication between them is a necessity.
They know that the team is going to be digging deep into the QB class of 27.
What is best for the team?
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Players get PAID in Cleveland. THAT is almost as important as winning.
Tell us, how is that philosophy is working out for the Browns..?..over the last 10 yrs.
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Walked into a bar yesterday and saw on the TV that MG was participating in the Rams OTAs. Weird that he NOW has time to attend OTAs. New coaches, new teammates, new system. Makes sense to me. To your point, though... I won't miss the bi-annual MG drama.
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Walked into a bar yesterday and saw on the TV that MG was participating in the Rams OTAs. Weird that he NOW has time to attend OTAs. He was sending a message in one place and now he is sending a different message in another place. That's the difference in wanting to leave one place and wanting to be in another place.
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Players get PAID in Cleveland. THAT is almost as important as winning. Really? At what point and to whom? You see, Myles has already made a fortune and has a guaranteed contract no matter where he plays. Do you really think that money matters since he will make the same amount no matter where he plays? At what point do you think players have enough money but are tired of losing? In this case he gets paid the same if he plays for a contender or not. So which one would you want to play for? That isn't happening before at least the next draft, so if you don't mind, we will talk about useless stuff like California income tax until training camp opens and there is something real to talk about... Yet another poster speaking for the collective we again. Talk about anything you like but football I suppose. Did you hear that The New England Patriots acquired three-time Pro Bowl wide receiver A.J. Brown from the Philadelphia Eagles? #football
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Players get PAID in Cleveland. THAT is almost as important as winning.
Tell us, how is that philosophy is working out for the Browns..?..over the last 10 yrs. Well, Myles Garrett just broke the sack record.. I don't think the majority of the players lay down, with the exception of Watson, who most of us said would happen. What's your point? Because my point is, it's redundant without a QB. My statement was mainly about homegrown guys by the way. If you are drafted and perform, they don't mess around with you, they extend you.
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I have reached the point where I really want Shedeur to win the starting job.
I simply do see a world where DW returns to the Browns roster next year.
Shedeur starting gives him the chance to swim or sink. If he sinks go ahead and put DW in.
If Shedeur plays well and continues to show improvement. Depending on how the season goes. It could change the team.
If he were to prove he is the guy. Well then the vision of the future changes. We have a load of picks and a bunch of money.
We can cut DW and swallow what is left to pay him.
The draft becomes about picking talent and value no matter the position. Go after the highest ranked players on the Board. Target certain guys. Move anywhere in the draft.
DW should be viewed as the fall back option to finish the season if Shedeur falls flat. Then get rid of him.
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They don't have to get rid of him after the end of this season. His contract will be expired. All they have to do is no longer compete for his services.
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Walked into a bar yesterday and saw on the TV that MG was participating in the Rams OTAs. Weird that he NOW has time to attend OTAs. ROTFLMFAO
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This is an absolute MUST READ for anyone that wants to get under the hood of how something this big happens. Besides the talk about the mechanics of the trade, there are some very interesting tidbits that tell a deeper story of how Berry operates. I'm very proud of how the Browns, and particularly Berry, handled this whole, months-long negotiation and the manner in which they saw it through to the end. Thanks for posting, Memphis. 👊
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When a deal like this goes down. Everyone wants to look for a winner and loser.
Can't be done because the teams involved are in two different spaces.
The Rams are in their window with Stafford. Simpson is a future unknown.
The Browns are not in any window. Myles was their best player and had been for nine years. Nine years with one playoff win.
Berry set his parameters and held them.
The Browns are still in the "if category." If Shedeur can be more? No way in hell are the Browns extending DW.
The 2027 is nothing more than fantasy right now. If the Jets and Cardinals are ahead in the draft order of 27. We get the third QB selected.
If that fantasy player actually becomes the future. It will take more than his rookie year.
We made a deal that had to be done and we got all we could get.
We have lots of miles to travel before we sleep.
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The 2027 is nothing more than fantasy right now. If the Jets and Cardinals are ahead in the draft order of 27. We get the third QB selected.
Jets, Cardinals AND Dolphins and the Browns could be relegated to 4th choice... which realistically could still be their first choice. We need to see how this college season pans out. But I agree with your point! I know the Dolphins signed Malik Willis, I just don't hold him to that high of a probability. I would put it on a similar level to Shedeur Sanders, if I'm being honest. He had everything lined up perfectly in Green Bay, all he had to do is not mess up while being a backup... Now he comes to an organization that has been in a tail spin for several years, moved on from their pro bowl receivers and doesn't have an identity yet with a new head coach and staff coming in with him. He will be asked to build the new offense in Miami, not just step in and not mess up...similar situation to Sanders. If Miami is as bad as I think they are going to be, I think they end up with the #1 overall pick in 2027. That could be great or really bad for the Browns. If they think they can't give up on Willis after one season, the Browns might just have a trade partner. If they realize immediately in their mistake, it could move the Browns one more spot away from a viable starting QB.
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OK, all that said, I will be shocked if the Cardinals aren't holding the #1 overall pick in 2027. Nothing about what they have done this off season shows they have grown as a team.
While I like Jeremiyah Love, I don't think his offensive line is ready to make him the ORY.
Jacoby Brissett... yes Jacoby Brissett is a camp contract holdout, only because he see's himself as the teams starter, which happened by default. I really don't think they are any worse off telling him to sulk in the corner and just bite the bullet and start Carson Beck. After all, they need to see what Beck can do before making a decision on a QB in 2027 draft, right?
In the end, I will be surprised if they aren't already planning on a QB in the draft and Gardner Minshew becomes the offensive scapegoat.
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I don't think Willis is the answer in Miami just like you. I'm not sure they have much faith in him either. I can't see a world where if Willis doesn't show a lot of promise that they would not draft a QB if they land at the #1 or #2 spot in the draft. They have Willis on a three year 45 mil guaranteed deal. If you add a rookie contract to that amount it would still be somewhat reasonable. IMO it was set up that way. A short term bridge is all I think they foresaw Willis as from the beginning. With a "could, maybe, possibly" on the side.
You did lay all of that out quite well.
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How Willis plays is unknown.
But yes they could draft a quarterback. Cardinals and Jets are no doubters IMO.
The college season especially with guys getting paid is unknown.
In 2025 it was "wait till next year's draft." It didn't work that way.
We are hoping things will fall our way.
By April of 27 this college season will have been digested thoroughly.
I remember the 2011 college season. As that college season played out. All I could think about was how can we get Andrew Luck?
We got Bernie in the supplemental draft with a stroke of luck and Bernie wanting to be a Brown.
Luck has a big role in finding the right quarterback from college.
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We need a QB. That leads me to thinking I would take a shot on Sorsby in the supplemental. I don't have any clue what sort of draft pick it would involve. That doesn't mean we give up on Sanders. It doesn't mean we still don't draft a QB in next years draft.
Its simply a result of screwing around with the position for the last 25 years and we finally decided to load up on as much young talent as possible at the position.
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I want no part of Sorsbey. If it were just a case of talent, fine. However, with all of the rest of the stuff he has done with gambling and such, no way.
Look at the disastrous QB situation we have had over the years. No thanks on Sorsbey. Let someone else take the chance. Just get our QB in next year's draft. If that means we tank. Fine. That's what we should have done this past year.
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I think you are right.
If it was only talent that would be one thing. Sorsby was way in. He was obsessed to be betting like he was. In addition he was diagnosed with anxiety disorder.
We went down that path with Manziel. He was an alcoholic and his own father spelled it out.
It would take a third or maybe a second. Not worth it.
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I think he will probably go in the 5th or 6th. But, I still don’t want to deal with everything that goes along with him. It will be yet another circus and at the end of the day his chances are not great for success. He has some skills, I’m not knocking that, but based on the film I watched I would give him a third round grade. He had a lot of development needed for the NFL.
Stay away.. I’m more excited to see if Green can develop than taking on Sorsby.
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I don't really allow Green or any other QB on the roster enter into this. We have a new HC in his rookie year of being an NFL HC installing an entire new system to the O. That includes the QB room. That's a huge undertaking. The last thing they need is to add what seems like a good possibility of being a huge distraction to the process.
Other, more established teams under a different scenario may view the situation differently. But the Browns would be the wrong place at the wrong time.
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IMO, this is the beginning and end to the argument. Until we have "the guy" we are hunting for "the guy". I don't see how anyone can completely turn up their noses at the guy and then in the next breath lament our not having a starter-caliber person at QB. The reason Manziel was such a disaster is NOT that we picked him. It's that we picked him in the first round. The fact that Berry passed on Sanders shows he really doesn't have the appetite for more of the circus... but then picking him when we did shows that we are smart enough to see value when it's there. Granted, this is the same GM that played a part in Watson coming here but I think Berry has more maturity than some previous Browns GMs than to allow Sorsby to be Manziel round 2. You put in a bid for the kid, but it's a 4th rounder at the absolute max. Nothing valuable enough to make you second-guess yourself if you need to cut him loose.
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I was thinking a 4th, but again, I don't study it enough to place a risk reward factor on the matter. I know I wouldn't go with a 2nd rounder and have reservations about a 3rd round pick.
As you said, a 4th seems like a reasonable walk away price if it came down to that.
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We need a QB. That leads me to thinking I would take a shot on Sorsby in the supplemental. I don't have any clue what sort of draft pick it would involve. That doesn't mean we give up on Sanders. It doesn't mean we still don't draft a QB in next years draft.
Its simply a result of screwing around with the position for the last 25 years and we finally decided to load up on as much young talent as possible at the position. I was thinking a 4th, but again, I don't study it enough to place a risk reward factor on the matter. I know I wouldn't go with a 2nd rounder and have reservations about a 3rd round pick.
As you said, a 4th seems like a reasonable walk away price if it came down to that. A 7th is to High. The LAST thing we need is Art Schlichter JR Apparently, Todd Monken agrees with GMdawg. This is what was reported over the weekend by Pete Mundo: Speaking with reporters, Cleveland Browns head coach Todd Monken shut down any notion that Sorsby was under consideration by the organization. Monken - “That’s not even come across my desk,” Monken said. “I like the quarterbacks that we have. I think that’s a slippery slope, when you go down that [road]. Irrespective of talent, in terms of the situation [Sorsby’s] put himself in, we all know what that is. He put himself in that situation. And we’ve seen in other sports with players that have been banned for life from playing in professional sports.” Monken’s comments are among the strongest public remarks made by a coach regarding Sorsby’s situation since reports emerged surrounding the Texas Tech quarterback’s alleged involvement in sports gambling activities. The Browns entered the offseason with significant questions at quarterback, leading some observers to wonder whether the franchise could explore unconventional options. Monken’s comments suggest that is not under consideration. So, there's that. Of course Monken isn't in charge of personnel until it comes down to the final roster. Berry could be thinking something different. I would be surprised if he didn't at least involve the HC if he was considering it. Sorsby just had his appeal denied on Friday, but he still has a pending lawsuit against the NCAA. He had a judge rule in his favor, which at least temporarily re-instates his eligibility to play in 2026 at Texas Tech. I don't know if he would apply for a supplemental while that lawsuit is going on or not. He would have to do so though for the NFL to even think about having a supplemental. They don't just automatically do it. He has unto June 22nd to apply for the supplemental, then the NFL decides whether to hold it or not based on circumstances. As of today.. he is eligible for the NCAA, so no supplemental, I would assume.
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At first, I thought Sorsby might be worth a shot and then I read how far into it he was. No thanks I'll pass. We don't need any more drama here. Sorsby may stay clean the rest of his life and never even buy a scratch ticket, but if he plays in the NFL people will never let him forget what he did. His mistakes on the field will always be questioned. Unfair to him but as they say you made your bed. Let him play somewhere else.
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At first, I thought Sorsby might be worth a shot and then I read how far into it he was. No thanks I'll pass. We don't need any more drama here. Sorsby may stay clean the rest of his life and never even buy a scratch ticket, but if he plays in the NFL people will never let him forget what he did. His mistakes on the field will always be questioned. Unfair to him but as they say you made your bed. Let him play somewhere else. Sounds like Sorsby's best Bet is to head to the Raiders in Vegas.
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So, there's that. Of course Monken isn't in charge of personnel until it comes down to the final roster. Berry could be thinking something different. I would be surprised if he didn't at least involve the HC if he was considering it. Well there is a big difference in personalities at play imo. Stefanski found it easy to insulate himself within the walls of "consensus". His response would be "I don't know, what do you think, I don't mind taking chances on personalities, what do the analytics say??" Monken will look at you with a dead stare and ask you if you're bat $h*t crazy. Just my take on the two personnas.
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j/c...
Reading this thread a few things come to mind. I know I've bellowed til I'm blue in the face about them, but I feel that strongly...
You cannot just throw a bunch of people into the QB room and expect cream to rise to the top, it hardly ever works that way. Ever hear the expression throw bs at the wall and see what sticks? That's what it feels like when fans are always saying things like "what can it hurt"? It can hurt everything.
Oober mentioned the Manziel disaster, I'm just using his post as an example, not to pick on him (although he loves it when I do). He said it wasn't that we drafted him, it was where we drafted him. First the irony: we as fans were sold on the fact (by the talking heads) that we got such great value... because most thought he would be drafted sooner! Think about that.
Now, I do agree with the notion and intent of his post, for the most part. QBs that are drafted early put more pressure on the staff, have to shoulder more pressure themselves, and put more pressure on the other QBs, especially the incumbent starter.
Brian Hoyer was playing well. Not perfect, but well. Image me, a Browns fan, watching a QB that was 10-4 over his last 14 games being booed while my fellow masochists scream "Johnny! Johnny!" in the stadium.
After JFF almost led a comeback, a confused Hoyer responded to the first salivating reporter "this is still my team, nothing has changed". Our dad bod, garage-beer-drinking coach basically said "we'll have to look at the tape".
Hoyer was pissed when we drafted JFF... he was DONE when those words were spoken.
When you have two question marks in the room... you're on thin ice as far as moves that can be made.
When you have three... you're done. Your only move is drafting someone worth selling the farm for. Period. Not a project, and certainly not someone with a "checkered" past.
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If we had anything close to a 10-4 QB in that room, you and I would be bellowing together. The talent level around our QBs (Oline, receivers) muddies the water a bit, but there's no way you can say with confidence that we have that guy on the roster. Maybe someone will establish themself this year, but if we're being brutally honest I don't think that guy lands on the roster until MAYBE after next year's draft.
Additionally, 2020 (playoff-Baker) was the last year we began and ended the year with the same QB. One could argue we could've done it the next year as Baker was playing with the shoulder... but not me. Each subsequent season (IIRC) we've been trotting 3+ QBs out there, except for the year we only used 2 (the Watson suspension year).
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If we had anything close to a 10-4 QB in that room, you and I would be bellowing together. The talent level around our QBs (Oline, receivers) muddies the water a bit, but there's no way you can say with confidence that we have that guy on the roster. Maybe someone will establish themself this year, but if we're being brutally honest I don't think that guy lands on the roster until MAYBE after next year's draft.
Additionally, 2020 (playoff-Baker) was the last year we began and ended the year with the same QB. One could argue we could've done it the next year as Baker was playing with the shoulder... but not me. Each subsequent season (IIRC) we've been trotting 3+ QBs out there, except for the year we only used 2 (the Watson suspension year). Ironically, Baker and Watson could both be headlining the 2027 free agency market. How weird is that? He and Tampa haven't made any progress on an extension and his camp came out and said if it isn't done before training camp, he will be done negotiating and see what free agency brings. Supposedly he is looking for $60M+ per season. It's hard to argue against that number. 3 years in Tampa and two playoff spots with a playoff win. He's averaging 66% passing, 32 TDs, 12 INTs and 4079 yards per season. There is an article that came out this morning, "Could the Browns bring back Baker Mayfield in free agency"? The answer is no way in hell he would come back here. This is a lot of QB talk in the Myles Garrett thread, lol...
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The answer is no way in hell he would come back here. I think the feeling is mutual from the FO's standpoint as well.
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The answer is no way in hell he would come back here. Devil's advocate: wasn't his issue primarily with KS? Wouldn't Monken be more inclined to let him sling it? I think it's HIGHLY unlikely he ends up signing with us (mostly because Tampa won't let him walk), but if we have the cash, a coach and system he likes, and our young talent is showing promise (lots of if's) I don't see why we'd be on a no-fly list.
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We need a QB. That leads me to thinking I would take a shot on Sorsby in the supplemental. I don't have any clue what sort of draft pick it would involve. That doesn't mean we give up on Sanders. It doesn't mean we still don't draft a QB in next years draft.
Its simply a result of screwing around with the position for the last 25 years and we finally decided to load up on as much young talent as possible at the position. I was thinking a 4th, but again, I don't study it enough to place a risk reward factor on the matter. I know I wouldn't go with a 2nd rounder and have reservations about a 3rd round pick.
As you said, a 4th seems like a reasonable walk away price if it came down to that. A 7th is to High. The LAST thing we need is Art Schlichter JR Apparently, Todd Monken agrees with GMdawg. This is what was reported over the weekend by Pete Mundo: Speaking with reporters, Cleveland Browns head coach Todd Monken shut down any notion that Sorsby was under consideration by the organization. Monken - “That’s not even come across my desk,” Monken said. “I like the quarterbacks that we have. I think that’s a slippery slope, when you go down that [road]. Irrespective of talent, in terms of the situation [Sorsby’s] put himself in, we all know what that is. He put himself in that situation. And we’ve seen in other sports with players that have been banned for life from playing in professional sports.” Monken’s comments are among the strongest public remarks made by a coach regarding Sorsby’s situation since reports emerged surrounding the Texas Tech quarterback’s alleged involvement in sports gambling activities. The Browns entered the offseason with significant questions at quarterback, leading some observers to wonder whether the franchise could explore unconventional options. Monken’s comments suggest that is not under consideration. So, there's that. Of course Monken isn't in charge of personnel until it comes down to the final roster. Berry could be thinking something different. I would be surprised if he didn't at least involve the HC if he was considering it. Sorsby just had his appeal denied on Friday, but he still has a pending lawsuit against the NCAA. He had a judge rule in his favor, which at least temporarily re-instates his eligibility to play in 2026 at Texas Tech. I don't know if he would apply for a supplemental while that lawsuit is going on or not. He would have to do so though for the NFL to even think about having a supplemental. They don't just automatically do it. He has unto June 22nd to apply for the supplemental, then the NFL decides whether to hold it or not based on circumstances. As of today.. he is eligible for the NCAA, so no supplemental, I would assume. I don't want Art Sliester either. No doubt there is some risk. As for Monkens statement....maybe it is a straight up comment, maybe it is smoke? I don' think we would want to advertise we want him.
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We need a QB. That leads me to thinking I would take a shot on Sorsby in the supplemental. I don't have any clue what sort of draft pick it would involve. That doesn't mean we give up on Sanders. It doesn't mean we still don't draft a QB in next years draft.
Its simply a result of screwing around with the position for the last 25 years and we finally decided to load up on as much young talent as possible at the position. I was thinking a 4th, but again, I don't study it enough to place a risk reward factor on the matter. I know I wouldn't go with a 2nd rounder and have reservations about a 3rd round pick.
As you said, a 4th seems like a reasonable walk away price if it came down to that. A 7th is to High. The LAST thing we need is Art Schlichter JR Apparently, Todd Monken agrees with GMdawg. This is what was reported over the weekend by Pete Mundo: Speaking with reporters, Cleveland Browns head coach Todd Monken shut down any notion that Sorsby was under consideration by the organization. Monken - “That’s not even come across my desk,” Monken said. “I like the quarterbacks that we have. I think that’s a slippery slope, when you go down that [road]. Irrespective of talent, in terms of the situation [Sorsby’s] put himself in, we all know what that is. He put himself in that situation. And we’ve seen in other sports with players that have been banned for life from playing in professional sports.” Monken’s comments are among the strongest public remarks made by a coach regarding Sorsby’s situation since reports emerged surrounding the Texas Tech quarterback’s alleged involvement in sports gambling activities. The Browns entered the offseason with significant questions at quarterback, leading some observers to wonder whether the franchise could explore unconventional options. Monken’s comments suggest that is not under consideration. So, there's that. Of course Monken isn't in charge of personnel until it comes down to the final roster. Berry could be thinking something different. I would be surprised if he didn't at least involve the HC if he was considering it. Sorsby just had his appeal denied on Friday, but he still has a pending lawsuit against the NCAA. He had a judge rule in his favor, which at least temporarily re-instates his eligibility to play in 2026 at Texas Tech. I don't know if he would apply for a supplemental while that lawsuit is going on or not. He would have to do so though for the NFL to even think about having a supplemental. They don't just automatically do it. He has unto June 22nd to apply for the supplemental, then the NFL decides whether to hold it or not based on circumstances. As of today.. he is eligible for the NCAA, so no supplemental, I would assume. I don't want Art Sliester either. No doubt there is some risk. As for Monkens statement....maybe it is a straight up comment, maybe it is smoke? I don' think we would want to advertise we want him. It's a moot point now. The 4th District Judge in Texas granted his submission. He is cleared to play at Texas Tech this year with a two game suspension. We can reconvene this convo next year for the draft.
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I am glad that they ruled that way.
He has a chance to resurrect his career. If he does all the right things and goes all in on rehab and tries to help others from falling into that addiction. Good for him.
It could also reshuffle the draft.
I looked today at the rankings from "Draft Buzz" of the QB class. Wow. Outside of Manning, Moore and Sayin. It was all over the place.
The college season will reset the order and Sorsby could be in the mix.
At this stage it is a waste of time because so much can happen.
All we can hope for is that this class has a good number of guys that will carry a first round grade.
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Myles Garrett traded, theme of this post-- not many players have lamented loudly the movement of Myles....."STARS" can be a PAIN- previous Coach ski must have had special rules for his star, late for/missed manatory meetings, speeding tickets galore, wants to be traded.....seems to me Myles was all in on Myles and NOT really a LEADER on Browns- and if so, he sure send poor messages-- hope our new young studs walk the walk, and talk the talk, are models on and off the field.....GO Browns!!!
PS- everyone has to take care of themselves in this world, earn what you can, but be on time, be good citizens, and give the job you have honest effort- we just had a left guard retire- he had none of Myles problems......Go Browns!!!!
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I'm curious how many people are so sanctimonious that speeding tickets are high on their priority list? Or why at some point one of the best players in the league gets tired of losing?
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Cherry picking again, speeding, you missed late for meetings, asked to be traded-- please tell us when Watson announced the hiring of Monken....when was that news conference.
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I'm curious how many people are so sanctimonious that speeding tickets are high on their priority list? Or why at some point one of the best players in the league gets tired of losing? That's only one particular angle. Other factors would be other MG issues regarding wanting to be traded. And another is that the team is rebuilding. But - if we simply want to focus on speeding tickets - tell me how this is not a consistent pattern of behavior not to be concerned over: (from the web) Myles Garrett has received at least nine speeding tickets and citations in Ohio since being drafted by the Cleveland Browns in 2017. While he has been cited for speeds reaching up to 120 mph, his most notable instances and documented tickets include: February 21, 2026: Clocked going 94 mph in a 70-mph zone on Interstate 71 in Wayne County at 1:35 a.m. Bodycam footage revealed he was originally driving over 100 mph, but the deputy reduced the cited speed to 94 to avoid a mandatory court appearance. He paid a $157.50 fine. August 9, 2025: Cited for driving 100 mph in a 60-mph zone in the Cleveland suburb of Strongsville. This stop happened early on a Saturday morning as he was returning from a preseason road game against the Carolina Panthers. It resulted in a $250 fine. September 26, 2022: Involved in a high-profile, single-car rollover crash in Medina County. His Porsche went off the road, took out a fire hydrant, and flipped multiple times. He suffered shoulder and biceps sprains and was cited for failure to control his vehicle due to unsafe speeds (driving 65 mph on a 45-mph road). ((65mph!! LOL) September 2021: Stopped twice in a 24-hour span on Interstate 71 for extreme speeds. He was clocked going 120 mph on one day, and 105 mph the very next day, resulting in combined fines of $554.
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No doubt it is reckless behavior that is a pattern. It's not like he passed a cop having a bad day who was writing tickets for going 79 downhill in a 70 zone.
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Good thing we traded Myles. It sounds like he could have developed into a problem!!😉
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Now that this trade is in the books.
It appears that the timing was right all things considered. Not an easy move but probably the right move.
The Browns are rebuilding. They want the roster to match an age profile. Verse fits. Myles does not.
Playing DW is nothing more than putting lipstick on an aging face. If he starts IMO Shedeur will not remain on the team very long.
Unless DW ends up on the bench and Shedeur proves he is worth keeping.
Personally I have no desire to watch DW at all. I see no point in him playing.
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At first I thought Monken should play the QB who looked the best in preseason who gave us the best chance to win but really if it’s Watson it doesn’t do us much good. I feel we should play Shedeur if nothing else just to see what he can do. Watson will be gone after this season and we have to see what Shedeur can do so we can determine the teams future direction.
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I'm curious how many people are so sanctimonious that speeding tickets are high on their priority list? Or why at some point one of the best players in the league gets tired of losing? That's only one particular angle. Other factors would be other MG issues regarding wanting to be traded. And another is that the team is rebuilding. But - if we simply want to focus on speeding tickets - tell me how this is not a consistent pattern of behavior not to be concerned over: (from the web) Myles Garrett has received at least nine speeding tickets and citations in Ohio since being drafted by the Cleveland Browns in 2017. While he has been cited for speeds reaching up to 120 mph, his most notable instances and documented tickets include: February 21, 2026: Clocked going 94 mph in a 70-mph zone on Interstate 71 in Wayne County at 1:35 a.m. Bodycam footage revealed he was originally driving over 100 mph, but the deputy reduced the cited speed to 94 to avoid a mandatory court appearance. He paid a $157.50 fine. August 9, 2025: Cited for driving 100 mph in a 60-mph zone in the Cleveland suburb of Strongsville. This stop happened early on a Saturday morning as he was returning from a preseason road game against the Carolina Panthers. It resulted in a $250 fine. September 26, 2022: Involved in a high-profile, single-car rollover crash in Medina County. His Porsche went off the road, took out a fire hydrant, and flipped multiple times. He suffered shoulder and biceps sprains and was cited for failure to control his vehicle due to unsafe speeds (driving 65 mph on a 45-mph road). ((65mph!! LOL) September 2021: Stopped twice in a 24-hour span on Interstate 71 for extreme speeds. He was clocked going 120 mph on one day, and 105 mph the very next day, resulting in combined fines of $554. He had other consistent patterns of behavior as well. When he was on the field, he always played hard. He was (relatively) durable, and logged many snaps while dinged and playing on bad teams (he could've mailed it in). Yeah, the speeding isn't good, but if that's the vice you gotta worry about with him... that's pretty minor. You don't have to look very far (not even counting the obvious one) for worse personal/legal issues to worry about.
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Sometimes the simplest explanation is the truth.
Myles wanted a run at a ring, and the Browns got the best deal they could get.
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Glad Myles is gone. I think it will work out better for us in the long run. He's due to have a season ending injury again.
Also, it's quite annoying that we lose our best players to LA or NY in almost every sport.
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I don't disagree with anything you said. But you can't pretend that the speeding is not a pattern and of at least some concern. You only have to add that MG didn't want to be here and that the Browns are rebuilding - and it becomes a bit of a slam dunk. The trade was the right thing to do for the Browns - all day long in my opinion.
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Glad Myles is gone. I think it will work out better for us in the long run. He's due to have a season ending injury again.
Also, it's quite annoying that we lose our best players to LA or NY in almost every sport. I really hate to see Myles Garrett gone. He is the best defensive player in the game by far. With that said his age does not line up anymore with Browns next window and trading him was the right move as much as it sucks to trade a future hall of famer. Jared Verse is talented and will be a staple in the defense for years to come and was a very good return coupled with the picks. If the Browns use those picks to hot on a QB, then this will go down as a great trade for the Browns. Miss on the picks then Verse needs to be a future hall of famer himself, or the trade will be viewed as another Browns disappointment.
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Glad Myles is gone. I think it will work out better for us in the long run. He's due to have a season ending injury again.
Also, it's quite annoying that we lose our best players to LA or NY in almost every sport. I really hate to see Myles Garrett gone. He is the best defensive player in the game by far. With that said his age does not line up anymore with Browns next window and trading him was the right move as much as it sucks to trade a future hall of famer. Jared Verse is talented and will be a staple in the defense for years to come and was a very good return coupled with the picks. If the Browns use those picks to hot on a QB, then this will go down as a great trade for the Browns. Miss on the picks then Verse needs to be a future hall of famer himself, or the trade will be viewed as another Browns disappointment. The only thing I disagree with is that Verse needs to be a HOFer for this to be a win. I think it is Verse vs. Myles 2026 on, not comparing what he already did for the Browns. Myles is already HOF worthy, even if he has a career ending injury. What Myles does for the next 5 seasons vs. what Verse does for the next 3 years and hopefully a contract extension beyond that is where I hold the comparison. If the Rams get 5 more HOF seasons our of Garrett and we move on from Verse after two seasons, well, we lost unless we get a lot back from the draft picks. If the two are comparable over the next (3) seasons, it's a wash... if Verse is better OR he is on par along with a hit or two or three on the draft picks, then we win.
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The only thing I disagree with is that Verse needs to be a HOFer for this to be a win. I think it is Verse vs. Myles 2026 on, not comparing what he already did for the Browns. Myles is already HOF worthy, even if he has a career ending injury. What Myles does for the next 5 seasons vs. what Verse does for the next 3 years and hopefully a contract extension beyond that is where I hold the comparison. If the Rams get 5 more HOF seasons our of Garrett and we move on from Verse after two seasons, well, we lost unless we get a lot back from the draft picks. If the two are comparable over the next (3) seasons, it's a wash... if Verse is better OR he is on par along with a hit or two or three on the draft picks, then we win. ID42, I could not disagree more here. There is no way Verse comes close to matching Myles. There is not a single OC in the league who is specifically scheming protection against Verse, nor are they designing plays to execute in under 3 seconds against Verse. This is the biggest difference between Verse and Garrett. The best the Browns can hope for is that Verse plays similarly to T. J. Watt in 2025. In my opinion, for this trade to be considered a wash, the Browns' defense must have similar stats to last year. I think this is doable, but a lot has to change on defense. My biggest concern without Myles is how the secondary adjusts. It's easy to defend receivers when everything is kept to short routes. If you recall, Campbell was a liability for Jacksonville on deep routes. My second concern is the linebackers. What happens to Schwesinger when offenses no longer need to slide protection over to cover Myles? Who is covering the TEs now that they are not double-teaming Myles? Who is our slot corner? Another concern, who are the starting corners if Ward and/or Campbell goes down for the season? Garrett neutralized these weaknesses. If the Browns' front defensive four can't maintain the same pressure they had with Garrett, it's going to be a long season. Right now, the offense hasn't shown they are capable of doing anything better than last year. Yes, they improved the OL, but we all have seen Cleveland have a great OL with poor QB play.
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The only thing I disagree with is that Verse needs to be a HOFer for this to be a win. I think it is Verse vs. Myles 2026 on, not comparing what he already did for the Browns. Myles is already HOF worthy, even if he has a career ending injury. What Myles does for the next 5 seasons vs. what Verse does for the next 3 years and hopefully a contract extension beyond that is where I hold the comparison. If the Rams get 5 more HOF seasons our of Garrett and we move on from Verse after two seasons, well, we lost unless we get a lot back from the draft picks. If the two are comparable over the next (3) seasons, it's a wash... if Verse is better OR he is on par along with a hit or two or three on the draft picks, then we win. ID42, I could not disagree more here. There is no way Verse comes close to matching Myles. There is not a single OC in the league who is specifically scheming protection against Verse, nor are they designing plays to execute in under 3 seconds against Verse. This is the biggest difference between Verse and Garrett. And in the words of Freddie Kitchens, "whoopty-hell, alright." 55-81-1 That's Myles' record with the Browns. And we waited even longer for him to take over a game on the line than we did for LeBron to make a game winning shot. I agree with Irish 100% on this one.
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The only thing I disagree with is that Verse needs to be a HOFer for this to be a win. I think it is Verse vs. Myles 2026 on, not comparing what he already did for the Browns. Myles is already HOF worthy, even if he has a career ending injury. What Myles does for the next 5 seasons vs. what Verse does for the next 3 years and hopefully a contract extension beyond that is where I hold the comparison. If the Rams get 5 more HOF seasons our of Garrett and we move on from Verse after two seasons, well, we lost unless we get a lot back from the draft picks. If the two are comparable over the next (3) seasons, it's a wash... if Verse is better OR he is on par along with a hit or two or three on the draft picks, then we win. ID42, I could not disagree more here. There is no way Verse comes close to matching Myles. There is not a single OC in the league who is specifically scheming protection against Verse, nor are they designing plays to execute in under 3 seconds against Verse. This is the biggest difference between Verse and Garrett. The best the Browns can hope for is that Verse plays similarly to T. J. Watt in 2025. In my opinion, for this trade to be considered a wash, the Browns' defense must have similar stats to last year. I think this is doable, but a lot has to change on defense. My biggest concern without Myles is how the secondary adjusts. It's easy to defend receivers when everything is kept to short routes. If you recall, Campbell was a liability for Jacksonville on deep routes. My second concern is the linebackers. What happens to Schwesinger when offenses no longer need to slide protection over to cover Myles? Who is covering the TEs now that they are not double-teaming Myles? Who is our slot corner? Another concern, who are the starting corners if Ward and/or Campbell goes down for the season? Garrett neutralized these weaknesses. If the Browns' front defensive four can't maintain the same pressure they had with Garrett, it's going to be a long season. Right now, the offense hasn't shown they are capable of doing anything better than last year. Yes, they improved the OL, but we all have seen Cleveland have a great OL with poor QB play. I don't think we disagree as much as you think. I don't automatically think Verse will be as good as Myles, and I didn't intend for it to sound that way. At 30, how much longer do you think Myles is going to be the elite guy that teams have to change their entire defense for one week? That's why I said comparing the two from this point forward. I love Myles to death and appreciate everything he brought to the Browns. He is now traveling more and more and spending a lot a time away from training with his girlfriend. That holds up when you are 25 and as special as Myles is. If he doesn't keep up with his off season workouts, I could see a world where Myles becomes human. Myles has averaged 13.9 sacks per year. I guess my question is, do you expect him to average that over the next 5 seasons, which is the remainder of his contract? These next 5 years are what Verse needs to be judged by... Also, for the trade to be a wash, the Browns don't have to have similar stats. If the Browns defense has similar stats then the Browns win because they kept the same defensive stats AND have a first round pick in 2027 along with a second round pick in 2028. Those players would push this past a wash if the defensive stats stay status quo. To take that a step further though, are you comparing the Browns collectively over Garrett's career or just 2025? Because the Browns defense was never as good as 2025 and Garrett has been here for 9 years. If the Browns take a step back, it could just as easily be contributed to Schwartz. We don't know what we have for a coaching staff in 2026. Could Myles be the ONLY catalyst to a great defense? I don't really think so. I think there are other young players that will keep this defense in the top ten for the foreseeable future. The secondary is in a better place than it was last year with the addition of EMW. HE is who they will expect to defend those TEs you are talking about. It's what he excels at and was built for. As for time to throw, the Browns defense averaged 2.7-2.8 seconds to throw against in 2025. The Rams defense averaged 2.8-2.9 and Verse was one of the main reasons for that. We aren't talking about systems where the gap is 2.4 seconds to 3.4 seconds. I re-iterate, a lot will depend on the D that Mike Rutenberg comes up with. There were 31 other teams without Myles Garrett. The Browns can continue to play at a high level depending on Mike's scheme and play calling. The offense has nothing to do with the Myles Garrett trade unless one of those draft picks go on that side of the ball. Them being bad in 2026 isn't a direct reflection of the Myles trade. If the Browns lose a big step on defense and the two picks go to the offense, especially the QB AND THEY STILL are a bad offense... Then this trade will be a bust. If the Browns use the Rams two picks to move into the top ten after winning 9 games in 2026, get their QB and he becomes a franchise guy, the Browns automatically win. All I am saying is, the Browns have more ways to win this trade than lose it, they are a 5 win team with Myles playing the best season of his career. The Rams need to go to the Super Bowl or the trade is a bust for them.
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The only thing I disagree with is that Verse needs to be a HOFer for this to be a win. I think it is Verse vs. Myles 2026 on, not comparing what he already did for the Browns. Myles is already HOF worthy, even if he has a career ending injury. What Myles does for the next 5 seasons vs. what Verse does for the next 3 years and hopefully a contract extension beyond that is where I hold the comparison. If the Rams get 5 more HOF seasons our of Garrett and we move on from Verse after two seasons, well, we lost unless we get a lot back from the draft picks. If the two are comparable over the next (3) seasons, it's a wash... if Verse is better OR he is on par along with a hit or two or three on the draft picks, then we win. ID42, I could not disagree more here. There is no way Verse comes close to matching Myles. There is not a single OC in the league who is specifically scheming protection against Verse, nor are they designing plays to execute in under 3 seconds against Verse. This is the biggest difference between Verse and Garrett. And in the words of Freddie Kitchens, "whoopty-hell, alright." 55-81-1 That's Myles' record with the Browns. And we waited even longer for him to take over a game on the line than we did for LeBron to make a game winning shot. I agree with Irish 100% on this one. That's Interesting. If we use T. J. Watt as an example, who is now 33 turns 34 in October. # of Sacks 2025 (33) 7 sacks; 2024 (32) 19 sacks; 2023 (31) 10 sacks; 2022 (30) 5.5 sacks. Can you explain your theory of how Garrett's numbers will diminish as he gets older, while Verse's numbers will increase to match or better? Ideally, I would like to see Verse equal Watt's numbers. For Garrett's skills to diminish to around 10-12 sacks a season, it would take a big drop-off. Playing for the Rams, he'll have way more offensive support, too. Also, can you explain how Myles could have done more for an offense that scored 20 points on their best day? Browns' defense was on the field longer than the offense. The defense kept the offense in the game, but the offense never scored. LeBron took over games because he had help. He wasn't a one man show.
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Also, can you explain how Myles could have done more for an offense that scored 20 points on their best day?"
While I agree somewhat with this statement, How many times did the offense have a lead in the fourth quarter, and the defense let teams go right down the field and score? Myles is generational player, he was also coddled by the coaching staff. How many days off did he have during a season, while other players practiced? I don't care if he still produced, that is not a team leader. How many off season workouts did he attend? While many other vets were present at all of them. While he was a great player, I can't think of many times that he was the reason for a win. Over the past few years, the defense gave away wins just as much as the bad offense. Myles has always been about himself
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Over the last five seasons, their average points allowed per year are as follows:
2025: 22.3
2024: 25.6
2023: 21.3
2022: 22.4
2021: 21.8
The Cleveland Browns' average points per game scored over those same five seasons are:
16.4 PPG in 2025
15.2 PPG in 2024
23.3 PPG in 2023
21.2 PPG in 2022
20.5 PPG in 2021
In 2023 which is the only season out of the last five the Browns scored more than an average of 21.3 points per game and the offense averaged scoring more points than the defense allowed, the season record was an 11-6. Which is the last time they made the playoffs.
You can try and breakdown at what point in the game points were given up if you wish. Even though you didn't actually make an attempt to do that. But the fact of the matter is this offense hasn't been able to score enough points to win games on a regular basis.
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Highlighting the deficiency of the offense while having (possibly) the best defensive player in the NFL, certainly the most dominant DE, only highlights why it makes sense to trade him now in order to have the ability to fix the side of the ball he has nothing to do with. Whether anyone wants to admit this or not - Browns are rebuilding: In another season + MG will be older an less valuable in a trade, we won't win more games with MG because as posters have shown, he cannot win games by himself, it is highly likely we will need to draft a rookie QB to solve that position because what we have on the roster in 2026 is a long long shot to be 'the solution' ... Rookie QB means that (most probably) 2027 is also a building year. The fact we got back a very good player in the same position, younger and under contract, means none of the draft capital needs to be spent on filling the void he leaves. It was a good trade even if you didn't want to lose MG - it was a great trade as far as I am concerned.
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The old adage that "defense wins championships" only applies when the conditions are right.
What is correct all the time is "teams win championships."
We have had really good defenses under Schwartz and Myles. We didn't come close to winning a championship.
The construction of the roster has to begin at quarterback. That cannot be disputed.
Once a quarterback is in place then it becomes a balancing act of offensive and defensive parts.
We are rebuilding. And we have a long way to go. We have some good parts on both sides of the ball.
But until we have the quarterback to lead the team. We are not ready for prime time.
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Agreed. Trading Myles now, as much as I hated to see him go, was the right thing to do for both parties. It gives us a chance to further acquire talent with the picks we received and it gives Myles a chance to win a Super Bowl which he deserves. Furthermore, it may prolong his career because he won't be on the field as much because he's now playing on a team that can keep and move the ball.
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I agree with all of you about trading Myles and what the Browns got in return with the trade. The only thing I take issue with, not with you certainly, is how now that he's gone some posters malign him as if he was a part of the problem. He is a generational player and the most talented player we had on this team. I understand the trade and why they felt the need to do so.
Joe Thomas didn't win games for us either but that still didn't make him any less great. I think the same could be said about Myles.
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I agree.
The fallout from trading Myles will have more of an impact than many believe. If we are lucky, the defense remains in the top 10. I believe they fall into the 10 - 15 range.
Much like the OL issues were overlooked two years ago. I see the same happening to the cornerbacks. There haven’t been any newly drafted players added to the CB room since Martin Emerson Jr. Martin isn't on the roster.
Currently on our roster:
Starters:
Denzel Ward (Ohio State) 9yrs;
Tyson Campbell (Georgia) 6yrs;
Backups:
Anthony Kendall (Baldwin Wallace) 1yr;
Nate Evans (Delaware) Rookie;
Tyron Herring (Delaware) 1yr;
Dom Jones (Colorado State) 1yr;
D'Angelo Ross (New Mexico) 5yr;
Try Avery (Rutgers) 5yr;
Myles Bryant (Washington) 7yr;
Michael Coats Jr. (West Virginia) Rookie;
Myles Harden (South Dakota) 3yr;
For those who think the defense will be fine, let me know your thoughts on what happens if Ward and/or Campbell go down for the season? For that matter, can either Ward or Campbell come off the field?
On top of that, I have my reservations about whether Tyson Campbell can play at last year's standards. I believe we see the Campbell that the Jaguars saw.
You need to ask yourself this question. Are the receivers looking good, or are the corners that bad?
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