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Now, land the QB in next year's draft or the last several seasons and this one will have been a total waste and disaster from the moment Watson was signed.

There had been too much smoke the last couple of weeks......

So, the Browns young defense now has the 2024 defensive rookie of the year Jared Verse and the 2025 defensive rookie of the year Carson Schwesinger. I like Verse and a 2027 but still would like to know what other picks were included in this trade.

2027 pick, probably 25 or higher isn't that great of an asset. The Rams are likely finish with a great record and deep PO run. Not sure if this helps us get a QB. Better hope SS figures it out quickly.

Well, I just wasted a lot of time on a post in the other thread...

On the surface this is a pretty good trade. I am curious what the "other draft compensation" is.

Jared Verse is a viable replacement for an aging Myles. Myles has another couple of stud years in him, but then what? This team is getting themselves propped up for the opening of their new stadium. Verse is more likely to be in his prime when they move 15 miles south than Myles will be.

The most important aspect of this trade is setting themselves up for draft currency to try to get one of the QBs coming out next year. I think this is a telling sign that Monken is not convinced Shedeur Sanders is the QB of the future. He is going to start Watson and Watson will be gone in the 2027 off season. Then the Browns can get another comp draft pick when Watson leaves.

Right now, it comes down to how far down the Browns first pick is. If they are picking top 10, they will have the ammunition to move up to get their guy. If they are picking below 15, it is going to be difficult due to the number of teams needing QBs.

Here's the thing. The best player coming out will probably be Jeremiah Smith.. However, there will be as many as 5 QBs with a top 15 grade on them, which will elevate them all to top 5 draft status. Think about the prospects of a Browns team picking 6th, just outside those parameters. Now, think about a top 5 team that already has their QB of the immediate future in place... They could pick up the Browns pick, the Rams first and probably the Browns 2028 first also and still get Jeremiah Smith.

Yes, the complete details of this trade will be interesting to see.

Ugh.... The "additional compensation" better include another first or multiple 2nd/3rd picks. This guy is the cornerstone of our D, and a lot of our defensive success is because of the attention he commands. I'm also reading that the Rams' base scheme is a 3-4. I'll let someone more informed on the topic expand on that, though.

I do like that we got a plus-level starter in return. That mitigates the usual "now we have to burn much of the draft haul we got to replace the guy we just shipped out". Plus Verse is younger. If we were going to do something like this (ship a vet to stock up on draft ammo to speed up on reloading offensive talent), then our Dline roster was best equipped to handle a blow like this.

Wow.

Good trade . How many games did the Browns win with Myles Garrett?
54? Not exactly a locker room leader.
I bet Eotab is melting down now

Good trade for other teams in the AFCN.

I'm shocked!! My phone blew up with texts from all my friends!! I'm very interested to see what other draft picks we received.

Guaranteed J-Dubs is on the phone ordering farewell dinosaur cupcakes and a T-Rex bouncy house for Garrett's Farewell Party.

How can you say it was a good trade without first knowing the details of the trade?

I could use some dude wipes right about now.

Yes, the Rams play in the 3-4, but Jared Verse was playing out of position in that system at LB. He played the edge as a DE in college at Florida State. He will be returning to that role with the Browns, while Myles will have to switch to the 3-4 for the first time in his career, I believe. Gregg Williams ran some 3-4 during Myles first two seasons, but he switched back and forth a lot. All his other coordinators were base 4-3.

Shula's defense will benefit from Garrett's ability to line up anywhere. This will allow him to use his dime packages more effectively.

Overall, Garrett wins because he is going to a contender. The Browns are building for the new stadium opening, not 2026. Verse will be right in line to help open it properly.

Thank you for the added info!

So Verse earned himself DROY and PB honors while playing out of position?

All I can say right now is OMG!!!

Colin Cowherd just said we are also getting a 2nd in 2028 and a 3rd in 2029.

Hard to believe that at least one of the picks isn't a 5th rounder

The "Other" is a 2028 2nd rounder and a 2029 3rd rounder..

Honestly. Are you surprised?

I think all in all it's a good deal for us. Now we have lots of draft capitol to maneuver in 2027 and a good young player in Verse to boot.

[quote][Jared Verse, a 2027 first-round draft pick and other draft compensation that is still being negotiated, sources told NFL Network's Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero and ESPN's Adam Schefter./quote]

Not enough from the Rams..!!

The Rams 2027 first round pick will likely be closer to a 2nd round pick than a first round pick.

The Rams are closer to drafting at number 30 to 32 in 2027 which equals a high 2nd round pick rather than a 1st round pick that will be the bannered propaganda fed to the Browns fans and Browns media by Berry and Haslam. Not nearly a trade that is fair and equal for a player of Myles caliber.

The Rams will be giving up a #19 first round (Jared Verse value) and a late 1st round pick in 2027...NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

Browns/BERRY...DON'T ALLOW YOURSELVES TO GET SCREWED..!...imo

Those draft picks are going to be very late 2027 1st rd, very late 2028 2nd round and very late 2029 third round. Better start working on trade up packages for a QB next year.

At this point, might as well see what you can get for Denzel.

Right now it may look that way, but you don't know how the season will play out. Stafford is older and has had some back issues and there may be other injuries although I hope not. We can also package those picks and move up. We have flexibility and a few options.

So what in total did the Browns get from the Rams? How do you know it's a bad trade when you don't even know all of the details yet? Oh, never mind, I know.

I asked someone who said it was a good trade the same question.

So, the Browns got Jared Verse, 2027 1st, 2028 2nd, and 2029 3rd.

I think there are 2 keys here. Will Jared Verse earn a 2nd contract with the Browns in a few years. If he is an all-pro DE that plays for the Browns for 10 years and the Browns either use the draft capitol to find their future franchise QB or use those picks to get 3 more starters that play for the Browns thru a 2nd contract. That will make this trade worth it. Anything short of that if the Rams win a Superbowl will be an "L" for the Browns.

I would expect this next season to end up being the last for Denzil Ward in a Browns uniform. I could see the Browns trading him at the trade deadline now to get more draft capital. They do have the makings of a nice young defense with Verse and Graham up front. Schwesinger at linebacker and hopefully EMW in the secondary. They need to keep Campbell that they have under contract for a few more years and resign Delpit after this season. That move might have just become easier freeing up Garrett cap space.

Even harder to believe Cowhead got one right lol

That's the thing about trades. At first it's how they look on paper and even that's subjective from person to person. Not everyone is going to see it the same way.

But who came out the winner and who came out the loser is determined by the end results.

IMO, that may not be enough ammo for a fQB prospect... but without Garrett one could argue we'll still be picking fairly high.

It's really going to come down to how bad the Browns suck this year because LA is looking to run deep into the playoffs, at least on paper. So our 2027 first plus the additional first from the Myles trade could put us drafting near the top.

What this confirms to me is that the front office doesn't see a long-term QB starter on the roster right now.

I believe a lot if people have felt that way all along. It's easy to get caught up in the moment right after the draft and convince yourself every player drafted was a steal and will be some ultimate answer to a great need your team has. But the odds and the history of the NFL show that far times more times than not that's certainly not the case.

Looking at the investment in draft capital the Browns invested when drafting QB's over the past two drafts, they didn't consider them likely to be the long term answer at the QB position either..

Just fire Berry now. This trade is horrible. Absolutely horrible. We get a player who doesn't get many sacks. Then we gain picks that are total garbage picks. We didn't even get half the value of Myles. Not even HALF.

MG didn't want to be here.
MG has - several speeding tickets over 90 mph? After rolling his care a few years ago.
We all know the chance of the Browns having a viable QB on the roster right now is slim to none. And if slim hasn't already left town, he's getting his tack ready.

All that means you get whatever you can for him. I have to believe that whatever the Rams have offered is the best deal out there with a team MG was willing to accept as a trade partner.

I'm more than happy with the trade even if it might appear to some as we got short changed ... MG is 30. He's got 2 elite years in him. Him might be very good for another 4 after that? He's a freak of nature. But see my first comment above, he did not want to be here and I do not blame him one bit.

It's a good trade,frees up salary that can be used to resign that perv QB.
Go Browns.

What does do this do for the cap? I thought trading Myles was not in the cards because of his huge salary. Will the Browns be completely free of his contract for the ‘27 season?

Maybe, maybe not. We know we will have 2 1st rounders to trade next year. It sounds like we will pick up a 2028 2nd rounder which could allow is to give up that 1st rounder as well.

I can see why anyone would think that - but at the end of the day it's a bit like selling your house. It doesn't matter what you think it's worth, it matters what someone will offer you for it.

Who knows what commitment/promise was made to go along with the re-signing a couple years ago? And I will maintain, if the guy is steadfast in not wanting to play another losing season for the Browns, then get what you can and let him go. I may not always think highly of Berry's draft picks - but he's shown a good level of competency in his trade negotiations. I would have to believe this is the best deal available and taking it is better than refusing it and keeping an unmotivated player with a penchant for speeding on your roster.

That parallel only works if you are 100% committed to selling your house. We didn't HAVE to trade the cornerstone of our defense... unless we are attempting a rebuild of some scale. If it's a rebuild, then I say commit to it and trade Ward as well.

Thank you for posting that. I'm reading it now, and that article is stating that the draft comp could be more than the 3 picks disclosed? If so, now we're talking.

On the other hand, your house can't ask you to sell it. And houses don't have no trade clauses which limit the potential buyers.

From Myles perspective, it may have been LA or bust. His GF was born and raised in Cali, lives, and trains there. Plus, he wanted to go to a contender.

We don't know what we got yet. There's a non-zero chance Verse ascends, Myles descends, and the Rams perform below expectations, and the picks will have to work themselves out wherever they end up landing.

I don't love it, but I don't hate it. I think some people are undervaluing Verse.

I would argue Parsons did NOT bring more...

Parsons trade brought the Cowboys:
30 year old Kenny Clark(worth about a 3rd round pick), not the same level as Verse. MAYBE worth a 2nd on his own, probably would trade as a 3rd on his own.
2026 first (20 overall)
2027 first

Garrett
25 year old Jared Verse(worth your second 1st round pick, if traded today on his own, I would be shocked if he didn't bring a first round pick. He has lived up to his #19 overall draft pick.
2027 first
2028 second
2029 third

We won't know what the value of the later picks are until the seasons end obviously, but a 2nd and 3rd can obviously = a first.

My point here is, I believe a 25 year old Verse entering his prime is worth a lot more to a defense than a 30 year old Clark who was declining.

Obviously we would then have to debate the value of Parson's vs Garrett as well.. We are probably biased towards Garrett, but it is 30 year old Garrett vs 26 year old Parsons.

I forgot about the no-trade clause. Good point.

I think I'm getting hung up on only 3 picks spread over 3 years. I'm not sure that's enough ammo to go and get yourself a legit QB prospect.

With Garrett we have drafted:

2018 1st overall
2019 traded for OBJ (16th overall)
2020 10th overall
2021 26th overall
2022 traded for Watson (13th overall)
2023 traded for Watson (12th overall)
2024 traded for Watson (23rd overall)
2025 2nd overall
2026 6th overall


WITH Garrett, we have finished with top 10 draft picks 4 out of his 9 seasons here. Only twice have they picked in the 20s.

So, if they pick outside the top 10 without him this year, does that make this post a moot point?

Verse averaging 6/7 sacks a year? He is only in his 3rd year of his rookie contract. Myles didn't have 23 sacks in his first two years... He had 7 in his first year, then 10.5 his second year.

If Verse turns into a double digit sack player with 20+ QB hits, he will be in the top 5 pass rushers in the NFL. He might not be Myles in his prime, but he will be a cornerstone of the Browns defense.

We will have to see where he ends up.

The part we are all overlooking is that the Browns will continue to be a lower half of the league team searching for a way to make the playoffs every few years or so, with or without Myles. He is now 30, that is going to start declining in the coming few years. He was traded after he got the record for sacks in the entire NFL... which landed us a #6 overall draft position.

At the end of the day, they have to fix the QB spot to become a consistent winner. They will probably need draft capital to be in a position to get one. I don't think they will be bad enough to get the #1 overall pick, with or without Garrett. Berry managed to get Myles replacement AND extra draft capital to help make the move in next year's draft.

We don't know that... Myles might have made that "HAVE to trade" reality. I don't think he goes the entire off season without talking to his new head coach if he wanted to be in a Browns uniform in 2026. I think this was probably initiated by him.

I'm liking it, we were not going to the Super Bowl in the time that MG has left. If he was ever to be traded, now was the time. Did we get a fair return? IDK, we can only wait and see...

I’m not going to bother to read any other posts because I’m sitting on a beach in paradise and just read the news.

I think it’s a great trade. It was gonna happen before or after the season regardless, I was confident it would happen and said so multiple times. It was our only move left for securing a QB in next year’s feeding frenzy. Yes, it’s likely to be a low 1st but it likely makes our pick slightly higher than it would have been. Our D may not single handedly win games this year. But who knows, the Verse trade essentially makes it 2 firsts plus the rest. He’s just coming into the start of his prime as Garrett is just going over the top of his peak.

From a strategic standpoint I give it an A+. It’s always a bummer to trade your best player and on the very short list of best ever for the franchise but I really do like where we’re headed. 2 very good drafts and teed up for next year. We very well may be a QB away.

Yea, we’ll likely need to make another move next year but this was a must
To get into position. We now have a team to root against!

So Boo Rams! Suck it!

This is about where I'm at. I think it's a solid trade for the Browns...

How would you grade the trade for both sides?

Browns: A

Rams: C-

The Super Bowl-favorite Rams just dealt for the reigning Defensive Player of the Year coming off a season in which he broke the single-season sack record ... and yet it should be Browns fans celebrating this trade. It's a mighty acquisition for Los Angeles, but it's a massive return for Cleveland -- more than should have reasonably been expected, even for Garrett.

Garrett has been a first-team All-Pro in five of the past six seasons, recorded at least 12.0 sacks in each of the past six seasons, won Defensive Player of the Year two out of the past three seasons and ranks second to only Micah Parsons in both pass rush win rate and pass rush wins over the past four years. But critical to this trade grade is the evaluation of Verse, who might go overlooked in this deal but absolutely should not. He has 12.0 sacks and a 15.3% pass rush win rate at edge (62nd percentile) over his two seasons in the league. That pass rushing undersells his impact, though, because Verse is one of the best run-stopping edges in the league; he ranks second in run stop win rate at edge behind only Maxx Crosby in that span.

The Browns are not contenders in 2026 and are probably a stretch to contend even in 2027. It makes sense for Cleveland to take this deal. But I do not think this is good team building for the Rams that will maximize their chances of a Super Bowl over the next several seasons. There is a clear drop-off from Garrett to Verse, but it's not like Los Angeles is filling a hole here. Add in the massive pay disparity between the two players -- even if both are values relative to their worth -- and it makes it even harder to justify.

The 2026 Rams are better today than they were yesterday. But the cost to the 2027-2030 Rams is too much to justify, and the Browns will reap the benefits. -- Seth Walder ESPN


Now I'll point out the rest...

1. Myles was a ticking time-bomb. Psychologically and physically. The last thing we could afford would be for him to have gone off the rails during the season and demanded a trade. The second worse was the other fuse-a major injury. He's 30, he plays a violent sport, and he's never had a major injury. Not only is that bound to happen (eventually), there could be no worse situation for the Browns than for it to happen this season.

2. Myles wasn’t going to bring a Super Bowl to Cleveland. While he might have won one if he stayed long-term, the gap between our team's reality and his individual brilliance as a 'game-wrecker' was becoming too wide to ignore.

3. Lastly, meaning for the 4529th time, Myles is not NASTY. I've been screaming for NASTY for about a decade now. Even some complementary players around him that played with a short fuse would have worked. Myles sacks you and helps you up. He yucks it up with the opposition the entire game. The only time he's ever seemed angry, it cost him a six game suspension.

Jared Verse IS nasty. He plays with violence, he talks trash, he leaves you lying on the field. He's a tone setter. High motor, speed for days, relentless bull rush.


Now, the flowchart for overcoming natural objections:

Myles was gone... if not this season, next season. Many people wanted (2) 1st round draft picks. Those obviously wouldn't have come in the first season. So... you would have a HUGE hole on defense and a first round draft pick two years in a row.

From that standpoint, we basically got Verse for a 2028 1st round pick, right? And no hole on defense.

Also, we can moan that the Rams pick will be a low 1st round pick. ALL picks in a Myles Garrett trade would be low picks. The only teams willing to ante-up are teams that think he puts them over-the-top, right? Did anyone think someone like the Jets or the Cards would ante up that kind of bank for Garrett? That doesn't happen because teams that suck that bad can't afford to take that risk. And oh yeah, Garrett has a no-trade clause.


I love Myles. It was an absolute pleasure watching him play here in Cleveland. I hope he has a ton of success in what remains of his career. I think this was the right move... for Myles and for the future of the Browns.

Couldn’t agree more. Except the Nasty thing. I don’t think it matters frankly, nasty or no, every offensive game plan had to be made around Garrett. I love Verse and agree that he may wear off on his teammates more than Garrett (who seemed to be on a personality island) but Garrett not being nasty was never an issue.

Still, I think this was inevitable and necessary and that they got Verse in return makes this a massive win. Yes, they likely still have to make a move to get up higher in the first round next year but they have most of the hard to get ammo now.

We’re on a 2028-29 dome opening timeline. This aligns perfectly with that. Garrett was never going to be here that long. Plus… there’s a very solid chance a 29yr old phenom who’s never had health issues starts to have health issues riiiiiight about this season. Then what’s the trade value? Pulled the trigger at the right time imo.

j/c:

Overall, I think people (in general, not just here) aren't fully realizing the value of Verse in this trade. He is a first rounder who is worth more than where he was selected (Rd. 1, Pick 19), still has years left on his contract plus the fifth year option, is five years younger, and has been to the Pro Bowl every year he has been in the NFL plus was the DROY. There has been so much angst about not getting another first rounder but sometimes getting the known first rounder is better.

From what I gather, LA preferred to give up more draft capital (most likely another first round pick) instead of giving up Verse. I think that says a lot in this deal.

The person made happiest by this trade is Joe Burrow.

I dusted off my 64 memories of an NFL Championship when I was 16......sad most Browns fans have never seen them as Champions. At 78 I'd love to see us make a Super Bowl....stinks I've seen them all and never had Browns jerseys playing there.....hope eternal....JMHO, Garrett trade smart business, as a football player he has no peers, as a driver on Ohio streets he was a loser/ poor citizen. Go Browns!!!!

Bone I usually see eye to eye with you on the many topics here but this time I have a small disagreement with you. I love Myles and am sad to see him go but I think it was time. We got some good draft picks in return and a very good player who is younger with upside. Myles will be 31 in December and more prone to injuries. We aren't going to contend for a SB in the next 2 years and after that Myles will probably on the downside of his career. Possibly Verse and other players we acquire with those picks will help us get to a SB. This should also help us with our cap space. Right now, we all have an opinion and nobody knows who will be right or wrong. I honestly think it was a solid trade for both teams. It's all a matter of conjecture and will have to play itself out. I wish MG the best and hope he wins a Super Bowl! Best of luck Myles and thanks for the great memories!!

...Until he gets hit by Jared Verse.

It might actually be Chloe Kim.

I’m good with this trade. Seems like Myles wanted out, anyway. He was a great player, but tbh, he would get four sacks and then disappear for three games. Yes, I know he was absorbing triple teams. But I think with Verse, we can still have an elite defense. I do not see, at least yet, how we turn those two first rounders into Arch, but we’ll see where the picks land and who has No. 1.

Thank goodness

You went on national TV putting down your team

It's not about the money

Lol, you resigned to the team you didn't want to be with why ?

O yeah the money

You weren't a leader

You were a selfish player who cared about sack totals that didn't mean anything to winning for the team

Running backs ran around you and receivers caught passes behind your back because you suck as an edge.

You didn't care about stopping runs or batting down passes

You only worried about your selfish personal sack record

Oh by the way.. you never got sacks when it meant winning a game

Enjoy LA

Happy to see you out of Cleveland !!

While I never wanted to trade Myles, I had a feeling it was coming. They are building a nice young roster, and a different culture is being presented by the young guys. Myles is the best player in the league, but he is not what I call a team leader. Him stating he wanted out last year, and made a big scene trying to make it happen. The guys in the locker room see that. Him working away from the team in a year when a new head coach and staff comes in, doesn't really show leadership to younger players. IMO, it shows entitlement. That being said, if anyone can miss all the off season stuff and come in and dominate, it is Myles. I'm just looking at it as a change in culture. Let these young players set the culture, oblivious to whatever culture prevailed previously. The camaraderie is built in the offseason, Myles would not have been part of that anyway. He wants a championship, and the front office is giving him a chance to get one. I laugh at all the posters who repeatedly claimed they were screwing a hall of fame career by keeping him, are now claiming it was a bad deal. Loved the guy, but he is a Ram now, so I could care less about him.

Agree with all your post -

I don't know how good Verse is so I can't comment but based on your input I am very encouraged. With MG being able to choose where he goes, your comment about any draft picks being lower order is spot on.

We might not be a better team today with this trade - but the drop off isn't like stepping off a cliff, if by some miracle we find good QB play this year or simply a QB that excels in Monken's offense, the D is still going go be good. While if we don't find a QB this year - we have a lot more leverage for next year and Verse will be still be here and at his peak in 2-3 years time.

*Well I am now Marked Safe from getting run down by a Porsche going 120 MPH on my way to the Cleveland Clinic now*

One thing to watch over the next few years. Myles left shoulder. Is it OK or is it still giving him trouble???

I think we did. It has been reported that someone with the Rams was quoted as saying they took Simpson because they knew they weren't going to have a 1st round pick in 27. The deal with the Rams was set back around the draft.

Myles has said he wanted to be traded. He obviously still wanted to or he could have voided this trade. We don't know what conversations were made between the team and Myles over the months since the end of the season but it was made clear he still wanted to be traded or it wouldn't have happened. If he was vocal about things during last season, what would have happened this season? Would he have reported to mandatory camps?

I think it was clear to the Browns that a trade was going to be the only resolution.

Just a general comment here on something that seems to be lost on some. Verse is worth picks. If the rams were to have traded the guy straight up to some team, it would have cost more than a 1st round pick. It would be more like two 1st rounders.

Some need to quit acting like a team could have tossed a 5th rounder at the Rams to get the guy.

Thanks

Having thought about it yea it sucks to lose Myles but Verse is pretty good and younger. Also, the Browns could use the 1st round pick they got from the Rams, and their own, to try and move up and take one of the top QBs, or another top prospect, in the 2027 draft.

The last couple of drafts have been good. Many NFL pundits like what the Browns did and are saying they are a team on the rise. I hope they are right.

Myles Garrett traded: Making sense of the Rams-Browns deal
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...d-verse-rams-browns-draft-picks-barnwell

Isn't it ridiculous. We as Browns fans have already pretty much written off the next 2 seasons. Kind of pathetic but it is the reality. I am hoping that our O-Line gels quickly and we get some decent QB and WR play so we can compete but that may be wishful thinking. The reality of being a Browns fan.

Maybe you should ask yourself if they could have gotten more why would they have taken less? Myles had a no trade clause giving him control over what teams he could be traded to. That alone limits the teams Myles could be traded to. I'm not a huge fan of Berry but I am pretty certain he wouldn't have taken less if he could have gotten more.