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No, I hear ya. I think everyone is just assuming the signing bonus will be some portion of the guaranteed money we've heard.
I would be shocked to find out there wasn't a signing bonus. I don't remember the last time I heard an NFL contract that didn't have a signing bonus.
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I normally agree with most everything Phil does......but I think this was a big mistake.
We didn't have to give DA an extension now. We should have let him walk for a 1st and 3rd pick OR play him under the 1-year tender. Both of those situations benefit us more than giving him an extension now.
And like someone pointed out in another thread, we CAN'T trade him now due to a hit on the salary cap.
Wrong. 
I agree we should have let him walk,Starting BQ next year may have taken us one step back however it would have eventually taken us two steps forward.
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I can't believe people are upset about this.
No matter what happens we're gonna end up with a good QB situation for years to come.
Quinn will get his shot, either from poor play or injury.
If he doesn't...then DA must be doing something right.
I think Quinn will end up being the better QB too, but come on guys, we don't KNOW that (as in on-field performance). I want to KNOW before we make a decision.
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Yeah, whenever I hear "guaranteed money" I automatically think "signing bonus," which is not the case. So I guess we'll have to wait and see the contract details.
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I've heard otherwise but whatever you say... so DA isn't worth a first round pick but he IS worth $14m in guaranteed money to us?
Well ya ... *LOL* ..
if u have any common sense TRY USING IT ... I'll say it one last time ... and i am not sure why as I am sure you'll just ignore it again .. *LOL* ..
IF soemone was willing to give up a 1st rnd pick ... WHY WOULD DA'S AGENT NOT EXPLORE IT FOR ALOT MORE MONEY???? .. Imean after all if U HEARD IT I am SURE DA'S AGENT DID TO .. 
My question is...why is DA worth more today than he was yesterday? If there was no interest on the market, why did the numbers go UP and not DOWN??? I thought Phil said the deal would not get any better...but maybe I'm misremembering again. This deal seems very fishy. I don't like it for the pure fact that the deal increased from 20mil / 10mil guaranteed to 24mil / 14mil guaranteed after it was shown that nobody else was going to snatch him up. Or...if another team DID show interest, it must not have been for the "Romo money" that DA's agents wanted. Otherwise we'd have a 1st and 3rd round pick right now.
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Plenty of teams need a QB I wouldn't be surprised if he gets dealt. If he doesn't oh well, we have a pro-bowl QB with a QB that has great potential backing him up.
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I think teams were interested in him but not enough to give up 1st and 3rd round draft picks. This signing helps in that if Phil does decide to trade DA it'll be easier to do.
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Great ! ....so now we reportedly increased our offer ....IMHO a trade had better be in the works....
LOL I get such a kick out of this,,,, Nothing against you here mammal,,, But the other day, someone mentioned that there was NO WAY that we sign and trade DA... I said it was possible and man you would have thought I kicked someones baby in the head of something.
Again, I don't think thats what Savage had in mind, but given that on Draft Day, a deal could be struck,,, I think it's possible.. NOT Likely, but Possible none the less..
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My question is...why is DA worth more today than he was yesterday? If there was no interest on the market, why did the numbers go UP and not DOWN??? I thought Phil said the deal would not get any better...but maybe I'm misremembering again. This deal seems very fishy. I don't like it for the pure fact that the deal increased from 20mil / 10mil guaranteed to 24mil / 14mil guaranteed after it was shown that nobody else was going to snatch him up. Or...if another team DID show interest, it must not have been for the "Romo money" that DA's agents wanted. Otherwise we'd have a 1st and 3rd round pick right now.
Maybe we actually value keeping a guy who made the Pro-Bowl, shocking I know. 
What's another 4 million over 3 years? If that means peace of mind at the most important position on the field so be it.
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That seems to be written before he signed (or agreed ). That makes a big difference
I don't know Pdawg,, it says it was posted to Cleveland.com at 10:57AM this morning and I posted it here at 11:something AM..
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Great !  ....so now we reportedly increased our offer  ....IMHO a trade had better be in the works....Anderson shows us No Respect and turn around and given him more $$ ? !  ....It's clear that someone will come out of this scenario looking like a Genius and someone like a Goof....I just hope that Mr. Savage doesn't set a pattern of rewarding those who disrespect the franchise ....
Absolute total either blind hate or blind silliness. He disrespects the Browns by wanting to sign the best deal possible when his value will likely never be higher? Get real.
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Well, this is really gonna screw up the Draft Party at the Stadium.......
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If there was no interest on the market, why did the numbers go UP and not DOWN??? I thought Phil said the deal would not get any better..
Someone's think-ing... 
Things that make u go hmmmmmmm....
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Great ! ....so now we reportedly increased our offer ....IMHO a trade had better be in the works....Anderson shows us No Respect and turn around and given him more $$ ? ! ....It's clear that someone will come out of this scenario looking like a Genius and someone like a Goof....I just hope that Mr. Savage doesn't set a pattern of rewarding those who disrespect the franchise ....
Absolute total either blind hate or blind silliness. He disrespects the Browns by wanting to sign the best deal possible when his value will likely never be higher? Get real.
Me and Jules think the same thing! 
It's comical how pissed some of my friends are about this. In the end everything will work out.
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LOL! I'll back you up in that Daman. I got what you were saying from the start but somehow it managed to go back and forth for like 4 pages of a thread. I still have no idea if it's feasible, but it's sure sounding more and more POSSIBLE as the clock ticks away.
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There likely is a signing bonus of some sort, but we don't know how much. It may not be a prohibitive amount.
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Grossi is just looking to make some noise. He doesn't understand that trading him after we sign him hurts our cap. If we were going to trade him, we could have just worked out a deal with another team and trade him......why would we want to have a salary cap hit for a contract only a day old (or when ever we trade him before this years draft)?
A sign and trade hurts us. A trade helps us.
Do you know how much money the contract calls for in Signing Bonus? Neither do I..
That's the ONLY money we would be out on a Sign and Trade.. so if the Signing bonus was 2 mill, that's the limit of our liability in the matter.. That's my understanding.
Next, would you give up 2mill to move into the 1st round + maybe pick up a player or another pick later in the draft when you know you have over 30 mill in cap space?
I think we all would do that..
I still don't think it's a sign and trade.. never did think so in fact.. But if all it costs us is a couple of million, I don't see that stoping us..
I get the impression that some folks think that since we signed him to a contract that has a guarantee of 11 or 12 mil, that that is what we are stuck with paying.. and that's just not the case.
ONLY the signing bonus will count....
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Maybe we actually value keeping a guy who made the Pro-Bowl, shocking I know.
What's another 4 million over 3 years? If that means peace of mind at the most important position on the field so be it.
Ok, but from a business side of things, why increase the offer if nobody else was interested enough to give him the big money plus the draft picks? On the surface, it looks like Phil pulled a Steinbrenner and outbidded himself.
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If there was no interest on the market, why did the numbers go UP and not DOWN??? I thought Phil said the deal would not get any better..
DinD: j/c on ya...
But in response to this, he didn't necessarily say anything one way or the other. I think he said that the deal would be 'impacted" if DA didn't sign before FA began, but nobody really knew what that meant. So perhaps he meant that it would be impacted as in "we'll need to up the offer in order to sign him". But yeah, it makes little sense to give him more money seeing as how his marketability isn't being perceived as favorable.
And as far as a sign and trade goes, wouldn't a team have been more willing to a agree to a trade at the $20 mill price rather than the $24 mill price? If I were Savage, I really would have locked the offer in at $20 mill. The ONLY reason I could see an increase is if he was afraid DA would play 2008 under the tender and then we'd lose all value for him after the season. But again, if he plays lights out, we keep him. If he doesn't, we let him go but at what price? His value won't be greater than it is now.
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Savage has done well for us. I don't see a reason to start getting too upset about this right now. Heck, it's essentially the same (essentially) as if DA had signed earlier this week.
I think a lot of people got in their head that as soon as he didn't sign a contract earlier this week, he was gone and people cemented themselves in that line of thinking. Instead, the guy who went to the Pro Bowl signs a deal to stay with us.
I'm not a huge DA fan, but I wouldn't care if the re-animated corpse of Howard Hughes played QB for us, as long as it helped us win.
And, no one knows what the future holds for this. DA knows he's got a first rounder sitting behind him whom many feel/know is the future of this team. If that makes him play better, than great. If he tanks, then we have a perfectly serviceable backup.
Let's see how everything plays out before we make judgments. Nothing is official yet with DA and also Corey Williams.
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And the last 12 hours were going so well.......why? Why do we need to sign him to an extension? Ugh, this team just took a huge step backwards in my opinion.
I bet nobody called DA's agent so they took the Browns offer (or someone did call but was barely interested).
A huge step backwards?? You mean by keeping their Pro Bowl 1st Year starting QB?? 
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Wasn't Phil supposed to have a presser at 11:00AM today? I wonder what will be said. Probably a whole bunch more confusing words for us to pick at.
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He can't hear you, he isn't reading your posts anymore. At least that is what he said.
LOL,, I still read Diams posts,, but when it's on this subject, I see no need to respond to him.. it's a waste of time.
Speaking of time, I guess now that Anderson is reported to be signed to a contract... we'll see if a trade is in the offing somewhere..
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Ugh ! - I turned on Tony Rizzo's show this morning, heard the news and promptly got sick. Darn, I knew all that talk yesterday was too good to be true. Of course, no other team would be that stupid to give up a lst and 3rd draft choice for this stiff. And now the Browns have a a filthy QB controversy on their hands. I hope Savage does the right thing and either trades or releases Quinn so that he can start his NFL career with another team instead of watching the stiff from the sidelines. Another black day in the history of the Browns.
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LOL!!!!!! That just cracks me up!!!
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Oh for crying out loud. I may not feel DA is the end-all be-all QB that some do, but it's a little early for the Chicken Littles to be rearing their heads don't you think? A black day?
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I am baffled....
12 hours before we say we have best offer on table for DA, which was 20 mil. 10 guarantee.
In between we trade our 2nd rouder (the only first day pick to green bay) for corey Williams
12 hours after and less then 5 hours in FA… we up our offer by 4-5 mil dollars and sign DA
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Man, I am with you Kardiac. Anyone who read my posts knows I was on the "trade DA" wagon. But some of the "woe is me" reactions are amazing to me.
I DO NOT think DA is the answer to our QB needs, but he is a more than adequate back-up (if Quinn beats him out) and a three yr. deal is NOT a franchise QB contract.
And if Quinn doesn't.........well, we are no worse off than before.
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Ok, so now the numbers have gone up to no less than 24 mil over 3 years???
I don't know whats going on but I SINCERELY hope that there's some type of sign and trade deal in the works here.
Does anyone really think that DA is worth 8 mil a year? A guy who tailed off badly once teams took away longer routes and who's accuracy is very questionable...
Honestly, if this contract sticks and we keep DA under these terms, I will be seriously pissed off... He hasn;t proven he's worth this kind of money quite yet.
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Well, this does make him more tradeable now.
Atlanta needs a QB. DeAngelo Hall needs out of Atlanta.
I'll take it.
Not that it'll happen......
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And the last 12 hours were going so well.......why? Why do we need to sign him to an extension? Ugh, this team just took a huge step backwards in my opinion.
I bet nobody called DA's agent so they took the Browns offer (or someone did call but was barely interested).
A huge step backwards?? You mean by keeping their Pro Bowl 1st Year starting QB??
Seriously, I'd like people to stop referring to him as a Pro Bowl QB. He wasn't the Pro Bowl starter or either one of the two reserves......he made it as the first alternate due to an injury replacement. While he played in the Pro Bowl, I wouldn't consider him a "Pro Bowl QB". And on top of that, he played poorly.
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I beleive this was asked in another thread, but I don't remeber seeing an answer.........has there ever been a sign and trade deal in the NFL before. I don't think the Schaub deal counts because that was worked out between the two teams AND Schaub's agent before the deal was announced (I think  ). I just don't beleive sign and trade deals happen in the NFL. And I am just asking, as I honestly don't know.
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How can you say he isn't a Pro Bowl QB when he played in the game?
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Seriously, I'd like people to stop referring to him as a Pro Bowl QB.
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We can just call him a "Top 4 AFC QB."
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Savage said Thursday that the Browns could win with either Quinn or Anderson.
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obvioulsly someone (besides me) disagrees with you
Might there be a partner out there who's thinking that whatever the Browns sign him for will be cheaper than what they'd negotiate as an FA with him
and now that a contract has been reached a trade of some sort occur?
This could still be part of a sign and trade deal. We won't know until we see the contract structure.
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I just heard on NFL Network that Anderson's deal guarantees over $ 14M ?....Man DA's deal just keeps getting better & better....For Him ! ?....GEEZ ....
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How can you say he isn't a Pro Bowl QB when he played in the game?
He wasn't voted into the game and made it there only because Tom Brady didn't want to show his face after getting beat down in the Super Bowl. That's how.
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We can just call him a "Top 4 AFC QB."
That's better.
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How can you say he isn't a Pro Bowl QB when he played in the game?
He wasn't voted into the game and made it there only because Tom Brady didn't want to show his face after getting beat down in the Super Bowl. That's how.
So Winslow and Thomas aren't Pro Bowlers, either. I hope they didn't collect any bonuses for that, then.
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