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Or had our kicker made 3 more makeable FG's....

Honestly, If I'm the FO, assuming Johnny gets out on 4/20, I don' stress trying to figure out if he's going to be the guy within one week. I think we should approach the draft with the belief that we need a QB, almost as if Manziel wasn't on our roster. With that in mind, do we see anyone in the draft that we'd REALLY want?

This isn't a knock on Johnny. If we draft someone who does well, and JOhhny develops into something special, then we have valuable trade bait a few years from now.

I miss our game day chats! Can't stomach the boards for the most part due to all the hate.

Glad to see we're still on the same side of things. Hopefully he turns it around this season or we're in for another long one.

Vers talent wise i think we both had Johnny ranked mid first last year in a very strong draft. I had Bridgewater top 10 until his proday and rumors of him having trouble griping the ball due to a hand injury. I had Carr as my #1. I also had a first round grade on Garoppollo, the kid in Tenn i had a first on him until his medical failed. I had a late first early 2nd on Bortles, special draft class.

Now we both had the mid first grade on Johnny if he passed the off the field issues. I think he bought into his own celebrity and it bit him

Report: Browns barely even discuss Manziel in planning offense

Posted by Michael David Smith on April 3, 2015, 6:09 PM EDT

As the Browns sat down early this offseason to figure out where to go with their offense following the departure of coordinator Kyle Shanahan, one name was an afterthought: Johnny Manziel.

That’s the word from Chris Mortensen of ESPN, who says that when the Browns started putting together their new offense under new coordinator John DeFilippo, Manziel didn’t seem to be part of the equation.

“I think about 90 percent that they have moved on [from Manziel] in their own minds except that they really don’t know who they’re going to get when Johnny leaves rehab, which has been an extended stay — a two-month stay,” Mortensen said, via the News-Herald. “He should be getting out some time in the first week of April if they’re satisfied that he’s ready to go out and get into society and that whatever deep-rooted problems that he had has been addressed. The bottom line is that Johnny Manziel’s future with the Browns has been in question. When they were putting together half of a new offensive staff, Manziel’s name barely even came up in conversation.”

Ordinarily, if a team is hiring a new offensive coordinator a year after spending a first-round draft pick on a quarterback, there’s nothing more important for the team to know than the coordinator’s plans for that quarterback. If DeFilippo has no plans at all for Manziel, that’s a very bad sign for his future with the franchise.

But from all indications, the Browns currently consider Josh McCown their starting quarterback. And the Browns may even try to add another quarterback, like Sam Bradford or Marcus Mariota. Manziel looks like little more than an afterthought.

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That article seems like a reporter taking what Mort said and running w/it. No facts involved.

I was thinking the same thing, Vers. As much as I hated the Manziel pick last year, I can at least see that this guy is piling on and not doing any real journalist research...

mac, Lord knows I have been critical of the Browns. I get constant grief from the Homer crowd who do not want to acknowledge any of the stupid moves this regime has made.

So........when I say that the most recent article you posted is pure crap, I think it is safe to assume that it is pure crap.

If you changed the name from Johnny to Brandon, it would sound exactly like what we heard a couple of years ago.

This stuff that became a story on Friday at closing time was said on National TV on the Mike & Mike Show on Wednesday morning. I read it here on the board yesterday.

But maybe you're right, maybe it didn't become a story until today so it better fits one of your theories.

Well, to be fair, Norv runs a vertical offense, which is more suited to Weeden (who's looked really good so far this preseason).

Oh gosh, Captain Penny. Talk about a blast from the past.

Next someone will be quoting Mr. Jing-a-ling ...

If he's our starter this year, I hope he takes us to an undefeated season and a Super Bowl ring. I hoped the same for Hoyer start of last year, Weeden the year before, etc. ...

However, unless Manziel comes out of rehab with a totally different mindset, especially saving his partying for the offseason, he will crash and burn no matter what his skills.

Anyway, unless the Browns make a brilliant move in the draft and pick a kid who becomes a franchise QB headed for the Super Bowl and Hall of Fame, and shows it right away in camp and preseason, we will find out what Manziel can do as a starter, just because there are at the moment no other options.

Agreed. I am not trying to say that JFF will suddenly become the answer. What I suspect is that he is going to be FOCUSED on football like he never has been before. Whatever talent he has, we are going to see it. Maybe it's enough to be a good QB, maybe it's not. I think he is gonna be better than McGowen and better than Hoyer, but that really isn't saying much.

Well, Babe Ruth partied off the field too. A few guys can get away with it. Most can't. Manziel can't.

Anyway, Namath really only had two great years ('68 and '69, 11-3 and 10-4 respectively) being a 50.1% career passer with a 65.5 rating.

Having said that, considering our QB situation since Kosar, I'd take one just like Namath in a heartbeat even if he *only* brought us one Super Bowl, too.

So true. I remember the jazz of "putting Weeden in the shotgun, which is what he's comfy with in college, will help". Nope... Lol. Norv had no run game established or even tried to make it a factor and putting the workload on someone like Weeden had nightmare written all over it!

You guys are just now recognizing the piling on?

Sometimes I read these reports and wonder if reporter's "sources" aren't each other, like some kind of BS "synergy" based on nothing other than their combined theories. When someone says something has a 90% certainty, I take that as a statistical certainty - which in the context of this story means, in effect, the Browns are done with Manziel. Nothing Haslam, Farmer, or Pettine has said would seem to support this. Certainly, nothing they have done this off season would support it either. The opposite would seem to be the case - they fully intend to find out this year what exactly they have in Manziel.

LOL........maybe we just aren't excusing away all of the Brown's bad moves by blaming the media for everything.

It is actually really funny reading some of these threads. There will be an article that says something negative about the Browns and a bunch of guys rush on here to discredit the media. Later, another article will appear that paints the Browns in a positive light and those very same posters who ragging on the media will hold onto the positive information like it is The Word of God.

Yeah, on the very same thread.

I don't see anyone excusing away the Browns bad moves.

And that has nothing to do with whether or not the media is piling on.

I am not fighting over nothing, you started by saying I was putting words into your mouth, then i rebutted SHOWING what you said and proving you were wrong. Now you cant handle the simple notion that you were incorrect, after I showed you that you were and result to this.

Reports: Johnny Manziel plays golf Saturday; treatment stint expected to end soon

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...partner=ya5nbcs

Posted by Mike Wilkening on April 4, 2015, 10:36 PM EDT

On the first Saturday in April, Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel reportedly did what so many sons like to do when the weather warms up.

He played golf with his father.

According to the Shreveport (La.) Times, Manziel and his father played East Ridge Country Club in Shreveport on Saturday.

Manziel has been undergoing rehabilitation for personal issues since late January. According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Manziel’s treatment stint is “likely” to end in the near future.

In the meantime, Manziel is permitted to have some free time away, on occasion, from his treatment.

Golf with his dad on a spring day seems like a nice way to spend that free time.



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They also failed to mention it was Easter Weekend...not just some "TIME OFF" from the facility. He went home for Easter Weekend and instead of partying with his usual boyz...he played golf with DAD...man wish it was warm enough here!

This is the ONLY story since his enrollment into rehab I've heard of him leaving the rehab facility.

And to play golf with your Old Man on Easter weekend, I'd say wise choice to use that free time for such. Much rather hear these stories than seeing the usual JF stories.

as long as it not a shot for
first on
first in
closest to the pin

BTW it was great playing yesterday...

There was an article around Manziel's dad stating how much he disliked playing golf with him. Hopefully he learned something in rehab and the golf outing was a positive experience for both of them.

j/c:



http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-notes-draft-browns-panthers-patriots-titans/

This begs the question, how did King get this info? I can almost guarantee that it didn't come from Pettine, Farmer or Haslam.

I won't doubt it's accurate, but I'd just like to know who told King...

With his physical limitations, I don't know see how anyone can think Shaw is a anything more than a third QB.

Agreed.

True, but you gotta love the kids heart. I mean he played with little to no notice and gave it everything he had. He's the kind of guy that I enjoy watching and rooting for,

Sure wish he had better skills.

Heart and no talent doesn't get many very far.

shaw is the perfect practice squad QB.

As for Kings article sounds like he is just quoting Mort's espn article.

I remember hearing the same thing about Brian Sipe ...

Someone is going to get axed between Lewis, Manziel and Shaw. I don't see us having more than three qb's on the roster, and, if I understand that since they all have a year+ and a start under their belt, none of our qbs are eligible to ride out the season in the practice squad.

Can someone educated confirm that, please?

shaw can be placed back on the PS.

Is he eligible because he only had one nfl start? Is JF PS eligible? Thanks in advance.