They are having two days of joint practices with the Eagles. The starters will be getting plenty of work.

The same way he would be judged if he used the starters and they suffered a lot of injuries. And those questioning his leadership now would probably be the same people that would be questioning his leadership then.

It wreaks of damned if you do and damned if you don't.

They are having two days of joint practices with the Eagles. The starters will be getting plenty of work.

I have no idea what the Browns see in Jordan Elliot. He's been terrible.

...Money? Don't know, don't care. The salary cap is a myth, IMO.

The salary cap is extremely exploitable...but it is real. If not for the salary cap, JC would probably be our C right now.

by Elliot Kennel1 day ago Follow @ebkennel

The Browns like Ethan Pocic enough that they will probably not bring back their former starter J.C. Tretter, who is still a free agent.

The Cleveland Browns were dealt a nasty blow in their first preseason game when starting center Nick Harris suffered a right knee injury that will end his season. The immediate thought flashed through every dawg’s mind that it was time to call Jared Fox of SportStars, the agent who represents J.C. Tretter, the longtime star center for the Browns who is still a free agent.

Cleveland got great play from Tretter over the years, but they felt that they would rather save $8.2 million in cap space and part ways with the 31-year-old center. This fan believes that Tretter is the individual who more than anyone else helped the NFL establish a workable Covid policy that saved the 2020 season.

However, that’s old news. History may look on Tretter kindly, but at any moment in time, the truth is nobody really likes to have the NFLPA president on their team. He is perceived to be the center of controversy who spreads discontent in the locker room.

Without Harris, the Browns still have another solid option in Ethan Pocic who is a very credible player. He was a former second-round draft pick of the Seattle Seahawks and has 40 NFL starts in five years. He ranked somewhere in the middle among NFL starting centers according to Pro Football Focus. He allowed two sacks last season and committed one penalty. The Browns can probably live with that.


Pocic is the best option, but he’s not the only option. Brock Hoffman, a rookie from Virginia Tech, was buried in the depth chart, but popped up somehow to play 27 snaps (49 percent of the offensive snaps) and performed credibly well, especially as a pass blocker. Let’s keep an eye on him this preseason.

Although Pocic and Hoffman are the only healthy true centers on the roster for the moment, everybody and his brother has at least some experience at center, including nominal guards Drew Forbes, Blake Hance, Hjalte Froholdt, Michael Dunn, and Dawson Deaton. Forbes has nearly disappeared from view after being injury-riddled the past few years, but he and Froholdt both played more than 50 percent of the offensive snaps.

Froholdt, incidentally, was a fourth-round pick of the Patriots, so he’s not just a random guy. At any rate, that makes them eight deep at center. It’s not time to panic and send out an SOS for a high-priced 31-year-old veteran center.

From the Browns point of view, Tretter and the NFLPA are the villains for granting the Commissioner way too much power to decide moral discipline in the current Collective Bargaining Agreement. If you step back and forget the Browns’ quarterback for a minute, the Commissioner has been granted unilateral power to meddle in a lawsuit in a civil court against an NFL player.

Before that lawsuit is concluded, the NFL can conduct its own investigation on behalf of the plaintiff(s) and can assess penalties and fines (giving the money to itself, rather than the plaintiffs) even though there are no specific rules that govern these penalties and fines. The intention is to show the world that the NFL is making sure that its players are a group of highly principled young men.

However, in reality, to many outside observers, it’s an illogical system and seemingly grants almost unlimited power to one person over the livelihood of the employees of the organization. Like, is it legal to establish a kangaroo court of this magnitude just because they have conceded it in the CBA?

At any rate, although the Haslams have generally been out in front in terms of labor relations, they may not be all that anxious to have Andrew Berry bring Tretter back to the Browns.

In addition, Tretter’s unique methods concerning practice (or lack of it) during the season may not sit well with the coaching staff. In recent years he has developed the unorthodox strategy of sitting out from most of the practices during the week in order to stay fresh for the games. It seems to have worked well for him personally.

He didn’t miss a snap for the Browns until Covid got him, and he played at a very high level. He has never been selected for the Pro Bowl, but he has been consistently in the top-10 according to Pro Football Focus. However, teams need to have regular practice, and not having the starting center available during the week was perhaps frustrating for the Browns.

Hence Cleveland might be right that $8.2 million might be too much to spend if other, younger players can do an adequate job at center and ultimately help them fit a $55 million per year quarterback within their salary cap starting next year. Hence Harris and Pocic, who carries a $1.1 million dollar cap hit this season, are much better values.



https://dawgpounddaily.com/2022/08/14/ethan-pocic-browns-center-not-j-c-tretter/

I wouldn't go that far. Elliott had a TKL for loss and a QB hurry/knockdown which cause an incompletion, in just 11 snaps, and those are just the two plays that comes to mind.

I don't know how PFF gets their grades of the game, when I seen [Levert] Hill (playing in the slot) get toasted every time that he was targeted, yet they gave him a high grade???

Jurassic Quest isn't 'til November, what the heck is he doing?

Ouch. That's like the Z team.

Gotta admit though...Spero Dedes is a great name.

j/c...

Wow AB is really bargain bin shopping for WRs.
He's looking in the 95% off bins at Aldi's.
He is building a WR room not that far off from a CFL caliber
Type room.
Has anyone told AB that the league is more WR driven than
RB?

He's looking in the 95% off bins at Aldi's Dollar General.

he's looking for a PR not a WR

Schwartz's evil twin reared his ugly head.

The Browns currently have ~$49M in cap space. The most cap space in the NFL. Salary cap space is not the reason Tretter was cut, though teams use the term "cap casualty" as an excuse to get rid of players they really do not want anymore.

My opinion is that the team felt Nick Harris was ready to take over the position and they did not want Tretter organizing half the team to not show up for voluntary camps again.

My opinion is that the team felt Nick Harris was ready to take over the position and they did not want Tretter organizing half the team to not show up for voluntary camps again.

This probably explains why Tretter is not playing in the NFL this year.

Winston could be a poor man’s Jakeem Grant. I know some Saints fans were high on him

It’s eye opening how vocal Chubb was about us keeping Hunt. Chubb never says anything lol so that speaks volumes

j/c...

j/c:

This website keeps crashing for me. Anyone else? This is probably one of the worst days for it to do so.

I know what you mean, but you may want to reword that sentence.

Having a back as talented as Ford fourth on the depth chart is ridiculous. My guess is that he won’t be fourth in the depth chart week one.

Cleveland Browns Training Camp Recap: Day 15 - Eagles Joint Practice, Part 1

The Eagles come to town for the first of two practices.

By Chris Pokorny@DawgsByNature Aug 18, 2022, 7:30pm EDT 3 Comments / 3 New

Here is Thursday’s practice report for the Browns from Berea:

Cleveland Browns Training Camp Report - Day 15 (8/18/22)
1. Eagles Come to Berea: The Philadelphia Eagles were in Berea today for the first of two joint practices with the Browns. It was not a public practice session, though, and even though the media was in attendance, they were not allowed to take pictures or video during practice.

Although both teams got good work in, the news related to practice was a bit low-key, thanks to the Deshaun Watson suspension news breaking around noon today. Practice started at 2:00 PM and lasted 1 hour, 45 minutes, but leading up to practice you had the suspension news, the press conference with ownership and Andrew Berry, and the press conference with Watson himself. I’ll leave that discussion for our main article on it. Watson did practice against the Eagles, but he will not participate in either of the team’s final two preseason games.

2. Garrett’s Absence Explained: We got more details on why DE Myles Garrett missed his fourth straight practice, per Mary Kay Cabot of the Plain Dealer. Garrett is reportedly on his way back to Cleveland, and might take part in Friday’s joint practice session.


3. Ward Upgraded to Team Drills: CB Denzel Ward only spent a few days in individual drills, and was taking part in team drills (at least some 7-on-7s) against the Eagles. No tackling was permitted on the day by players.

4. Rough Day for the Rookie: Per Hayden Grove, it was a rough day for rookie WR David Bell, who won’t move up the depth chart with days like this:


5. Browns’ Defensive Highlights: Since notes were scarce, here’s a few defensive blurbs from Camryn Justice:


6. Drill of the Day: Here is LT Jedrick Wills keeping his ground on a pass rush by the Eagles. The Browns’ Twitter account tweeted out a few select highlights:


The other highlight they tweeted was this cut by RB Jerome Ford, leaving a defender wincing:


7. Keeping it Tame: Head coach Kevin Stefanski didn’t want to see fights during the joint practices, and for the first one, both teams “kept it clean.” Sometimes you hear about one team dominating another during joint practices, but that wasn’t the case here, as both sides got their share of plays in for an even day.


8. Brownies: Eagles WR DeVonta Smith burned CB Greedy Williams early on in practice. ... LB Jacob Phillips picked off QB Gardner Minshew during 11-on-11 drills. ... WR Anthony Schwartz continues to try rehabbing his drop issues, catching a deep seam route from QB Deshaun Watson. ... All of the tight ends made nice catches for Cleveland.

9. Next Up: The Browns will hold their second joint practice against the Eagles on Friday at 2:00 PM ET.


https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/...ecap-day-15-eagles-joint-practice-part-1

Eagles-Browns joint practice recap: DeVonta Smith, A.J. Brown shine; 2 young players hinder Deshaun Watson; veteran corner out

Updated: Aug. 18, 2022, 8:29 p.m.|Published: Aug. 18, 2022, 5:49 p.m.



By Chris Franklin | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com


BEREA, OH – The Eagles lined up to run a play during the first of two joint practices between the Eagles and Cleveland Browns at CrossCountry Mortgage Campus in Berea, OH Thursday. After a run was called in the Eagles huddle, the offense made their way to the line of scrimmage. After the snap, Browns linebacker Jacob Phillips shot through a gap, thinking he would get a tackle for loss and hear the celebration from his teammates on the sideline.


The one thing Phillips did not account for was Eagles left guard Landon Dickerson coming down the line of scrimmage with speed, using his 332-pound frame to bowl over Phillips of the “pancake” block, the one that linemen covet. Dickerson was the one dancing in the direction of the Eagles sideline, celebrating the block and the substantial yardage gained on the play.




Dickerson’s outburst was not the only thing heard during the practice. Browns players were yelling after an interception, with the entire Browns defense going to an end zone to celebrate. There were also a couple of instances where cornerbacks and wide receivers were having long “conversations” as they jogged back into their huddles, making sure they had made their point.

Although it was not a full-fledged game, the intensity and the chirping from both sidelines at times made it feel like it were a regular season game instead of a preseason practice, a byproduct of having joint practices.

Eagles tight end Dallas Goedert said that facing off against players not on his team led to the increased energy and tension throughout practice.

“They make a play, and they cheer, then we make a play, and we cheer,” Goedert said after practice. “It’s all in good fun. That’s what you don’t have when you’re practicing against yourself as much or in the offseason when you have OTAs, so it’s fun to get back out here, get a little chippy and bring the intensity up. It makes us all better.”


Eagles cornerback Avonte Maddox said the energy was just one of the things head coach Nick Sirianni wanted to see from his players. The other involved the smaller parts of their game.

“We came out here with a lot of energy and to compete at a high level, doing everything that we have been taught to do,” Maddox said. “We have to do our fundamentals. The small details were the main thing that he (Sirianni) focused on.”

Two young players make plays against Browns’ Deshaun Watson, second-team offense

Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson dropped back to pass late in Thursday’s practice, looking to see if he could find a receiver who was open. It had been a long day for Watson, having to face the music after the news that he would be facing an 11-game suspension resulting from the 20-plus accusations of sexual impropriety levied against him.


With the Browns needing Jacoby Brissett to get more time with the first-team offense because of Watson’s penalty, Watson was relegated to backup status. During this play, Watson was looking to get something right on the field. After locking to wide receiver David Bell, he threw in his direction. However, Eagles safety K’Von Wallace hustled over to where Bell was and deflected the pass. Wallace’s play was one of several the Eagles second-team defense had against Watson in the full team game-situations scenarios the two teams had at the end of practice.



Linebacker Patrick Johnson put sustained pressure on Watson, recording a sack and at least two hurries. Johnson has come on as of late, making a strong push to show why he should be on the active roster for the second year in a row. Wallace has needed a practice to stand out, especially with Josiah Scott and Reed Blankenship playing well at safety. Wallace’s breakup could be the play that brings him back in the race as a legitimate candidate to remain with the team.


Wide receivers DeVonta Smith and A.J. Brown take advantage of injured Browns secondary

The Browns are dealing with some secondary issues, with starting cornerback Denzel Ward playing sparingly as he comes back from a foot injury that landed him on the physically unable to perform (PUP) list before camp began and Greg Newsome also working on returning from an injury.

Their absence allowed Brown and Smith to find ways to get open, using their detailed route-running ability to set up defensive backs to go one way, leading to separation on the outside.

On the first pass in the one-on-one session between the wide receivers and defensive backs, quarterback Jalen Hurts threw a fade to Brown over Browns cornerback Greedy Williams, making a one-handed catch. Later in the 11-on-11 team sessions, Smith saw a significant share of the targets, with the Browns trying to eliminate Brown from getting big plays. During one stretch, Smith was targeted three straight times and caught all three passes.

Eagles start fast, Browns catch up

Hurts’ throw to Brown set the tone early, with the Eagles moving the ball well through the air. The Browns came back and made some plays, making adjustments and playing stouter defense, especially their second and third units. The Eagles first unit made up for the stagnant play from the reserves, redeeming themselves by having strong 11 on 11 periods late in practice.



Veteran corner misses practice

Cornerback James Bradberry did not participate Thursday because of a groin injury. Bradberry left practice on Tuesday to check it out but returned to watch for the rest of the session. Bradberry is a vital piece to the secondary since he, Maddox, and Darius Slay make up one of the better cornerback trios in the league. Other defensive players out included defensive tackle Javon Hargrave (toe) and linebacker Christian Elliss (hamstring).

Running back Miles Sanders missed practice again with a hamstring injury, giving Kenneth Gainwell and Boston Scott more snaps with the first team. Both were used successfully by quarterback Jalen Hurts as outlets, with the backs catching the ball in the flat to pick up decent gains and move the down marker further along. Center Jason Kelce (elbow), wide receiver Greg Ward (toe), and tight end Grant Calcaterra (hamstring) did not participate in practice.

Here are some other notable moments from practice:


-Eagles right tackle Lane Johnson had a good day against Browns defensive end Jadeveon Clowney, showing off his footwork to make sure he got himself in a good position to stymie Clowney’s pass rush.

-Eagles wide receiver John Hightower ran one of his best routes of training camp against Browns cornerback Martin Emmerson Jr., selling as if he were going one way before heading in the opposite direction. Emmerson bit on the first move, which allowed Hightower to get almost eight yards of separation.

-Eagles defensive end Josh Sweat used his speed to get around the edge to “sack” Brissett when the Eagles’ first-team defense went to a far-field to take on the Browns first-team offense.

The Eagles will be back on the field for another joint practice in Berea scheduled to begin at 2 p.m.


https://www.nj.com/eagles/2022/08/e...r-deshaun-watson-veteran-corner-out.html

We need Wills to improve this year or else we’ll be in limbo with his future imo

drilled 3 from 62 yds...

We need Wills to improve this year or else we’ll be in limbo with his future imo

He will be the RT. We may need to start looking for a LT at some point.

He will be the RT. We may need to start looking for a LT at some point.

He had a pretty good rookie year at LT and struggled last year due to injuries. I don't get this narrative of switching him to RT.

I am not writing him off at this point. I was just commenting on if he doesn't cut the mustard on the left side.

The scouting reports on Wills said he'd most likely be a guard at the NFL level.

Yet another post from steve that should have started with "Once upon a time,..."

I did not remember scouting reports about Wills having to move to guard, bu I just checked. I clicked on the first seven scouting reports on Wills and not one said he would most likely be a guard. None of them even mentioned he might have to move inside. A couple did mention that he might be better at RT than LT and even said he could not play LT, but nothing about guard. It seems like yet another cheap shot directed at our FO by a disgruntled ex-fan.

Here is a link to the page where you can read all the scouting reports.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sco...372j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Two items Vers, who the hell made you the god to question everyone's posts.

Just because you haven't seen the scouting report saying he'd be better at guard doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The scouting reports on Wills said he'd most likely be a guard at the NFL level.

Secondly, the jest of the post was Wills had never played LT in his life and that trying to move him to such a high skilled position of protecting the NFL QB's blind side could cause issues.

j/c:

Sweet double move and nice throw.

Wills came into camp in great shape, but unfortunately that has yet to help him in improving his pass protection.

Jake Burns did a nice film breakdown of our offense vs Jacksonville and (the truth is sometimes bitter in the belly) Wills was getting beat like a drum on inside counter moves, which led to a holding call on one occasion. The head scratcher is that as a former RT you would think that his right hand muscle memory would be better than he has shown to date.

This Wills stuff feels similar to all the hate on this board to Mitchell Schwartz in his first couple of years.

Yeah, T is a position that will be one to watch in our future, especially with the task of protecting Watson now.

Wills did well his first year. He regressed last year most likely due to injuries. He's getting back to playing shape now. He has one of the best O-line coaches there is working with him. Let's give him a shot this year before everyone dumps on him.

The 2020 Browns draft team had the #10 pick in the first round and they had options and chose Wills. It's very likely they were aware of the information I posted concerning the wonderlic test...yet knowing this information the Browns drafted Wills at #10 with the intention of moving Wills from RT to LT.

Making that move from RT to LT had to be difficult for Wills...maybe more difficult than we realized. I'm not saying he can't do it, but now that we know how difficult it might be for Wills. I would hope that the Browns coaches and front office might consider another option for Wills...moving him back to the position he played in college...RT.

I do look at the talent in the 2020 draft that the Browns draft team 'passed up' in the first round...just 3 picks after the Browns drafted Wills, the Tampa Bucs picked Tristan Wirfs, RT from Iowa. Wirfs awards=
.................PFWA All-Rookie Team (2020)
.................Pro Bowl (2021)
.................First-team All-Pro (2021)
.................Super Bowl champion (LV)

Hopefully Jed Wills will find his comfort zone, whether it be a LT, RT or OG and perform to his max level for the Browns.

BTW...simply pointing out facts that others might not be aware of...does not mean we are dumping on Wills.

He had a pretty good rookie year at LT and struggled last year due to injuries. I don't get this narrative of switching him to RT.

What attack?

1 wonderlic scores mean nothing
2 Wirfs is a right tackle only. We already had one of those.

The 2020 Browns draft team had the #10 pick in the first round and they had options and chose Wills. It's very likely they were aware of the information I posted concerning the wonderlic test...yet knowing this information the Browns drafted Wills at #10 with the intention of moving Wills from RT to LT.

Making that move from RT to LT had to be difficult for Wills...maybe more difficult than we realized. I'm not saying he can't do it, but now that we know how difficult it might be for Wills. I would hope that the Browns coaches and front office might consider another option for Wills...moving him back to the position he played in college...RT.

I do look at the talent in the 2020 draft that the Browns draft team 'passed up' in the first round...just 3 picks after the Browns drafted Wills, the Tampa Bucs picked Tristan Wirfs, RT from Iowa. Wirfs awards=
.................PFWA All-Rookie Team (2020)
.................Pro Bowl (2021)
.................First-team All-Pro (2021)
.................Super Bowl champion (LV)

Hopefully Jed Wills will find his comfort zone, whether it be a LT, RT or OG and perform to his max level for the Browns.

BTW...simply pointing out facts that others might not be aware of...does not mean we are dumping on Wills.

Yes, I agree, I was a big fan of Wirfs, and I don't really care that he stayed at RT ... many said that he had to move to OG ... but Wills was my #2 that year, and even if I might come off as being a little down on him ... really I am just hoping for him to improve and I think that he has the physical traits to lock down that position for the next five years. It's a show me year for Wills ... I hope that he balls out this year and puts our concerns to rest. But that's just me.

To be honest, I don't expect Hunt to be with us after the trade deadline.

I would hate to lose him, but I get what you're saying. Hope he goes somewhere that'll give him his carries, and we get the right compensation.

I don't discount "watching the games". But that is no comparison to game film where you can actually see and break down each players film. Watching a game gives you very little in terms of total player evaluation over the course of a game.

To be honest, I don't expect Hunt to be with us after the trade deadline.

I would hate to lose him, but I get what you're saying. Hope he goes somewhere that'll give him his carries, and we get the right compensation.

Just let him have all his carries on a NFC team !

Seems to me like Winfrey is a long way from anything

To be honest, I don't expect Hunt to be with us after the trade deadline.

j/c...

Interesting comment about Winfrey after he appears to have been benched the 1st quarter of this past game.

I don't wish to see him gone, but I think Ford and Johnson make more cost effective backups.

Hopefully just typical rookie things.

I focused on him a bit during the game. He seemed to be running around lost a good deal of the time and his motor didn't look non-stop.

The shine is coming off the FO's decision-making.

I don't even care all that much about cost. At least for this year.



We have the backs to fill the position and we won't have to cut a back to keep a guy we won't be able to sign next year. It's a no brainer IMO.

After this year, we end up having to cut a player, so we won't have him and we won't have Hunt or the pick or player we could get in return. It's like losing out on 3 players to keep Hunt this year.

I might not be the best horse trader in the world, but that doesn't add up.

This year is already over...the FO+ knew such was a possibility and rolled the dice anyway. Whatever we get for Hunt will be worth more to us next year+ than anything he can contribute this year that would be meaningful.

I like Hunt...a lot...but this is the position the FO+ has put us in. I think the FO will decide it fruitless to spend on WR & DT as well.

How so? He was a day three selection.

I can only speak for myself. There is zero correlation.

Shocking to you maybe, but fans care that the QB they traded for has such a chequered recent history and was labeled guilty by the NFL with egregious and predatory conduct.

I like KS. I think Berry is very good. I loved the Winfrey pick. I don't know who is now knocking the FO and if they were Baker fans or not. I can tell you Pit was most definitely not a Baker fan boy, so going back to your Q .... I don't see a connection.

Last week in this space, I noted how the Browns could afford to deal running back Kareem Hunt because of their deep backfield if they found a taker. The comedy duo Bo Wulf and Zach Berman of The Athletic noted Friday that Eagles coach Nick Sirianni introduced himself to Hunt at joint practices in the same week that Miles Sanders hurt his hamstring. Another route would be trying to trade a spare Eagles receiver for D'Ernest Johnson. It wasn't so long ago the Browns were deep at wideout and the Eagles were scrambling for options, but the analytical tables have turned.

He's never been anywhere near special and his work ethic may be in question - Teller's comments last year...his getting yanked this year in TC. He is the weakest link in the OL chain...something PFF doesn't/didn't recognize when their "math" had/has the Browns OL as top 5 or better. When your LT is average on his best day (when uninjured) your OL is not top 5. Sometimes one (not you) has to put down the agenda and watch the game instead of reading/spouting PFF as the gospel.

D'Ernest Johnson for Deon Cain.

I was hoping Kelly for Cain.

Maybe I missed it, but where are these work ethic issues people are mentioning? I don't think I saw that before.

With Wills, he had a surprisingly solid rookie year followed by a injury-muddled second season. I'm fine with him so far, but I also won't be surprised if by the time his second contract negotiation comes around he ends up being moved to RT for a young guy or an extremely expensive FA.
And I suppose that's the rub. This year is probably the end of the "oodles of cash to spend" era, and as of now we don't have a 1st round pick for a bit. How exactly are you upgrading on Wills?

No doubt. We know John Kelly will be cut. I suppose there is a reasonable chance that Cain will be cut as well.

the theme on this board for the last 8 months is injuries have no bearing on performance.

The most vocal anti-Watson posters (which also turn into "bad front office" posts, "the trade will never be worth it even 10 years down the road" posts) also happen to be the most vocal pro-Baker posters, even pre trade.

Are you claiming that's a coincidence? It's a simple yes or no question. If you believe it's a coincidence, we can agree to disagree.

Not sure how many of you are old enough to remember this guy, but it's worth noting for those who were around back in the day.

RIP Jim Mueller

RIP Jim. There were many times when I had to work on Sundays, and would listen to him, along with Nev and Diek (IIRC) on the radio.

Yes, I think he needs to improve, but the negativity around him is overblown.

Also, hopefully Elliot will live up to the preseason hype. And I hope Newsome gets healthy quick.

Yes, I think he needs to improve, but the negativity around him is overblown.

Also, hopefully Elliot will live up to the preseason hype. And I hope Newsome gets healthy quick.

We're going to have an O similar to what we had when we had backs like Leroy Kelley, Bo Scott, the Pruitt's, Byner and Mack etc. We passed the ball then too but I believe we will see alot of what we did years ago.

j/c...

Huh.

We're going to have an O similar to what we had when we had backs like Leroy Kelley, Bo Scott, the Pruitt's, Byner and Mack etc. We passed the ball then too but I believe we will see a lot of what we did years ago.

Random thought:

At the end of last season, everyone was raving about Deebo Samual.
Seems to me, the Browns could use Kareem Hunt just like that.
Am I wrong? If yes, why? If no, then why not?

I would take Watt over MG all day, every day and 17 times on Sunday.

I would take Watt over MG all day, every day and 17 times on Sunday.

Ever notice Watt always lines up over RT. If Garrett did that, he would be a nightmare

IMO

MG wants to get the sack and look good with his shirt off...be friendly with his opponent and even smack them on the butt when his team gets punked. He's a good guy and wants to be liked an admired. He is a freak of an athlete.

Watt wants to win and kick your ass in the process. He is willing and able to rip off your head and crap down your throat. He's not patting the opposing QB on the butt after his defense gets beat for a TD. He's very athletic and is absolutely relentless.

Defenses can tend to take on the persona of their leader. Our defense looks and acts like MG. The Steelers defense acts and looks like Watt.

j/c:

I read where OJ Howard looked like he was having a hard time running during TC. I kinda thought the moves meant that Stanton would make the team. But, maybe not?

That doesn't ring true at all. I've heard Baker interviewed on local radio here several times.... he's been a model citizen. He's been outrageously civilized and non-confrontational when asked about playing the Browns Week 1. But hey ... who knows. I am sure plenty ill want to believe it.

*Gets popcorn ready*

I think it will be how the Browns players interpret this comment. Could end up being the proverbial 'bulletin board material' used throughout the week. All that said.....it is interesting that Cynthia feels it is necessary to follow up with something she said on air in the manner she did. That's on her.

Damage control.

MG wants to get the sack and look good with his shirt off...be friendly with his opponent and even smack them on the butt when his team gets punked. He's a good guy and wants to be liked an admired. He is a freak of an athlete.

You seem to be indicating that what goes on after the play is over has something to do with how a player plays while the play is in progress. It doesn't. And also that being a good sport, good guy and being in great shape is somehow a negative. It's not.

Yet we were ranked 14th in defense last year.....

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/opp.htm

And Myles ranked 3rd in sacks....

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats

As well as 6th in QB pressures.

https://www.nfl.com/news/next-gen-s...-aaron-donald-micah-parsons-ranked-but-n

I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Cynthia Frelund set the NFL world ablaze

Which is exactly why she crossed the line.

Browns are favored in the opener right now. Baker hitting on all cylinders, as the underdog, facing the team he felt dissed him. Add that to the fact that our opener record since the return is abysmal... Looks like an easy-money bet to me from the Browns Fan POV right now, I can tell you that. I'll be rooting for the Browns, but unlike other posters, I think Baker matured right here and the Panthers are about to reap the benefits from our investment.

Regardless of how Baker said it and how he meant it you can bet we're going to get Bakers A game on opening day. We had better do the same and win because if we don't, whether it's warranted or not, we're going to look like fools for all the obvious reasons; AGAIN!!!

Maybe short term, but in the long run........Carolina will still need to find a franchise qb after this year and the Browns will have a top-tier qb for years to come. I could care less what dummies say. The Browns made the right move.

Vers, I did say on a previous post, sometime back, that when this is over, and we come out the other side we should be in good shape as long as DW reverts to his old form. There's no reason why he shouldn't.

Frankly, I hope we freaking destroy Baker in this game. More so to shut up the trolls on this board than anything else.

By trolls, you must mean everyone who liked Baker? That would be about 90% of Browns fans. Smh, you really do have a need to control the conversation, don't you? I think everyone wants to win the first game, but we're talking about the Baker factor or the BS situation we are in and somehow that makes us trolls... You're being ridiculous. Just stop.

Frankly, I hope we freaking destroy Baker in this game. More so to shut up the trolls on this board than anything else.

If ‘Baker’ wins or doesn’t win this game it matters not. What matters is the season, and the coming seasons. If Baker has a ‘Brees-esque’ resurgence with Carolina, we lost. If Watson takes us to multiple playoff runs we won.
This game means little in the bigger picture.
That said, I want to win. But I want us to win every game regardless who’s the opposing QB.

And there it is. Anyone who disagrees with the Mighty Vers gets labeled a troll. You should run for political office.

Brisset won't take sacks, and won't have turnovers. Time will tell.

mac, no one said that. Certainly, there were not many who said that. I know I have addressed the topic. I said that I think JB will take fewer needless sacks and throw probably not throw as many pics. There is a small group of posters who deliberately misquote people. It is what it is.

Baker Mayfield: I never said I’m going to f—k Browns up
Posted by Josh Alper on August 31, 2022, 4:34 PM EDT

NFL: AUG 26 Preseason - Bills at Panthers
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Panthers quarterback Baker Mayfield will be facing his former team in Week 1 and he’s admitted that the game means something extra because of how his time with the Browns came to an end.

Mayfield denies that extra emotion led him to tell Cynthia Frelund of NFL Media that he is going to “[censored] them up” in the season opener. Frelund relayed the quote during a recent podcast appearance and it drew enough attention on Tuesday that Mayfield was asked about it on Wednesday.


Mayfield said he always wants to win, but that he never said what Frelund quoted him as saying.

“First, I didn’t say it,” Mayfield said, via Joe Person of TheAthletic.com. “Obviously everybody’s going to write whatever story they want, there’s history that I played there the last four years. I’m an extremely competitive person. Everybody knows that. If I wasn’t wanting to win then there would be a really big issue with me being the quarterback here. I want to win in everything I do. That’ll never change. That is not how I phrased it. It’s not even what I said.”

Browns defensive end Myles Garrett said “we’ll take it and we’ll use it” in reference to Mayfield’s purported quote about the matchup, but one imagines there wasn’t much need for extra motivation to kick off the season with a strong performance against the former Brown.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-i-never-said-im-going-to-f-k-browns-up/

The biggest news of the day was that RT Jack Conklin returned to practice with the team. While he was activated from the PUP list weeks ago, Conklin’s participation in team activities has been minimal.

It is still possible that he is not available for games early this season but today was a good step in the right direction. The odds of Conklin starting in Week 1 are much higher with this news.




Winovich Returns As Well

A player who could have had his roster spot in danger after missing time due to injury, DE Chase Winovich returned to the field today as well. Winovich fills the speedy pass rusher role held by Takk McKinley last season and should slot in behind Myles Garrett and Jadeveon Clowney.

Rookies Alex Wright and Isaiah Thomas provide solid, young depth behind those three veterans.

Three Key Contributors Sit Due to Injury Concerns


According to Fred Greetham of The OBR, OL Wyatt Teller (knee), CB A.J. Green (hip) and S Ronnie Harrison (hamstring) all sat out practice with injury concerns.

With a week and a half until Week 1’s matchup with Carolina, the team will likely be cautious with injuries.


Two Sit for Rest Purposes

Also sitting out, according to Greetham, were DE Jadeveon Clowney and OL Chris Hubbard but both were noted for rest purposes.

Clowney and Hubbard have struggled with injuries throughout their careers so rest days make sense for the veterans.

https://sports.yahoo.com/wednesday-browns-updates-rochell-cut-213101464.html

I agree. I love the job our FO is doing for the most part, .

j/c...

Schwartz might be my new Hollywood Higgins "soft spot for a player."

Quincy Carrier is the best. Also, Camryn Justice is a really good Browns reporter.

I can't believe Cooper said that about certain teammmates.

So, they guy that sits on here 15 hours out of the day, DOES log everything.

Me neither... because, you know, that's him saying his teammates "don't want to win".

Wow, the last guy that said that was ragged on unmercifully as anti-team as he was run out of town by the haters. I guess we have a two-tier system on this forum just like in politics. Some players are allowed to express facts while others are not - shameful.

I think cooper was saying that in general not about his teammates

I think cooper was saying that in general not about his teammates

Or, maybe he was referring to players on the cowboys

Could be - but it doesn't matter. A different player who was at that time on the Browns roster, said essentially the exact same thing, except with the addition of saying he didn't know how to motivate players who were thinking like that. That interview and those sentiments were used by one particular poster to absolutely crucify BM. But now, different player, same sentiments and it's no big deal.

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter one bit. BM isn't on the team. No-one is hating on Cooper and rightly so. The only reason a couple of posters have commented on this is because of complete and total hypocrisy that we see week in and week out from the Baker Hater who still can't stop himself from being the main instigator of posts about BM.

Quit being an ass.

I'm offended

Sure - if you want to find the finest, thinnest hair on the planet and split it, maybe you could make that argument. I think it's a really weak argument, but we can debate the definition of "is" and split hairs. Or we can be honest and say that by and large the sentiments expressed were identical. There are players in the NFL that are out to make a paycheck and don't care too much about anything else... When BM made the comment as part of a very long podcast, he was vilified for it. No-one said "well maybe he was talking about ex-Browns players that aren't on the team".

Finest, thinnest hair my arse. Baker was calling out Browns team mates, Cooper was talking about those types of players in general. Pretending there isn't a difference to make an argument is what's weak.

Finest, thinnest hair my arse. Baker was calling out Browns team mates, Cooper was talking about those types of players in general. Pretending there isn't a difference to make an argument is what's weak.

Finest, thinnest hair my arse. Baker was calling out Browns team mates, Cooper was talking about those types of players in general. Pretending there isn't a difference to make an argument is what's weak.

Don't forget that only happened after OBJ came out of nowhere and had his daddy throw baker under the bus. And Baker was right, OBJ was mailing in the whole time he was here. OBJ is a fraud.