Pittsburg fans have to be loving this.

Mayfield #1 how dumb can a team be...

Sad, I thought Baker would fall to buffalo at #12...I don't know how you could choose him over Darnold, Rosen, or Barkley

This is lining up perfectly for a trade down.

Fire Dorsey NOW! What a stupid pick. We could have had him in the second round. UNREAL!

Love it!!!

We finally get it right!

Love it!!!

We finally get it right!

Love it!!!

We finally get it right!

Knew the Browns were going to be moronic once they hired Dorsey.

I am not sure the FO could have screwed up 2 picks in the top 4 any worse than they did tonight.

I am not sure the FO could have screwed up 2 picks in the top 4 any worse than they did tonight.

Great pick.



What's up, some of you aren't loving our "football guy".



What gives?

He BETTER be the next GREAT quarterback or EVERYONE is FIRED!

Basically the Browns chose two players not in the top 5 of the draft. Essentially the top of the draft happened AROUND the Browns. The other teams got a winning lottery ticket handed to them. Only the the Browns could Brown this this badly.

The rest of the NFL plays chess and the Browns FO plays checkers.

That's your opinion Denzel Ward is the BEST CB in this draft by far ...

You take a corner at #4 he better be the best corner in the LEAGUE! He better be a Rod Woodson type player. Especially in the modern NFL where corners aren't ALLOWED to be GREAT. I expect a LOT of interceptions THIS season. We passed on CHUBB for him. Now Garrett will be double teamed every down this season. So much for having a dominant D line.

Gee, perhaps it's because we now have the shortest and smallest QB in our division and one of the smallest in the league. SO happy about that. If only he were 5 foot tall it would be even better.


He BETTER be the next GREAT quarterback or EVERYONE is FIRED!

He better never get hurt and he better light up the league. Because our new GM just HAD to outsmart everyone else. HAD to pass on a much more sure thing. So he bet on Mayfield. He bet his CAREER on Mayfield.
If he isn't a GREAT quarterback then Dorsey should never work in the NFL again. Then we pass on Chubb for a corner? We just BLEW this draft.

Stop the QB you don't need super CBS.

Before his injury, Ogbah was really coming into his own last season

Who is behind him? You have Ogbah, Garrett AND Chubb you can keep them fresh. You have a great rotation. But hey, we don't need no stinking Chubb. He's a bum. We just drafted the best corner in the league. Or at least he BETTER be spending the #4 pick in the draft on him. He better remind us all of Rod Woodson. He better SHUT DOWN every #1 WR he faces. Because at #4, that is AWFULLY high for a corner.

LOl....Dorsey picked who Sashi would have picked.....and even Sashi would have selected Chubb.



I like the Mayfield pick......the Ward pick was a big reach. He needs to be a lot like Deion where he was drafted.

Some of you guys need to get a grip. I know you all had your favorites you wanted picked, but Mayfield is at least one of the most football intelligent and accurate guys in the draft. Those that think we were morons for passing on Darnold, just know that the Giants passed on him when everyone said he was gone. The Jets were planning on taking Mayfield when they heard Darnold may slip and interviewed him at the last moment. Those that wanted Rosen ... he's still on the board, after Allen.

Fine. He's the greatest QB ever! Woo hoo. A barely six foot QB small in stature can't miss! Well, he BETTER be the greatest QB we have EVER seen in Cleveland. He better beat out TT THIS season and light it UP! If he's a bust? You might as well bulldoze that stadium right on into Lake Erie because NO ONE will EVER watch the Browns again. They just bet the FRANCHISE on Mayfield. Had they taken the safe bet, then if he failed it would have hurt but not as bad. Rolling the dice on a LONG SHOT means they HAVE to get it right. Or it's over for this franchise. We were already on the brink.

On a brighter note in 2 years we can fall for Fromm. There is no doubt this team will remain in the basement of the AFC North so once Mayfield proves to be a bust, Dorsey and Jackson are fired a new regime can get it right and draft Jake Fromm from Georgia.

Did these guy play games yet? I must've missed it.

(I say this every year.)

I'm impressed with Dorsey and crew. They picked the most aggressive talented QB. I know they were salivating for Chubb but the need was greater at DB. Very excited at the smart disciplined picks.

No. Prospect simulations were banned in Berea after we broke up with Anna Lytics.

lol. I hope we don't get the chance to pick Fromm.

He does look good though. But even when we're like normal bad, we usually don't do bad enough to get the number 1 pick. And that's where that guy goes IMO.


I think Baker Mayfield will do us just fine

No he won't.

No it isn't. If you take the concensus #1 quarterback and he gets hurt or misses then we can tell ourselves that everyone would have made the pick and that's just football. You take the #3 or #4 QB as the first pick in the draft because you just HAVE to be smarter than everyone else in the league and you miss? You missed because you were ARROGANT and thought you were smarter than everyone else.

Yes, it is possible for a short, small in stature quarterback to succeed, but it is RARE. It BUCKS the ODDS. You think here in Cleveland we should be rolling the dice on a long shot? That we shouldn't take the safe choice because we always beat the odds here? Well, that is exactly what we just did. We took the long shot. Odds are he won't succeed. So until he DOES succeed. Until he shows that he is a franchise QB and can play in an NFL offense, this sucks!

Comparisons to Johnny are lazy.

I think we had more Allen fans on this board than Mayfield fans.. I don't get it...

Why aren't yall liking the pick? dude balled out at OU.

He is the typical great college Heisman QB with a gimmick offense. Mayfield is the better college player. Allen will be the much better pro player. Mayfield will be lucky to not get suspended.

I really think the analytics guys would probably favor Mayfield.

He is the typical great college Heisman QB with a gimmick offense. Mayfield is the better college player. Allen will be the much better pro player. Mayfield will be lucky to not get suspended.

Baker Mayfield said he absolutely accepts #Browns have said Tyrod Taylor is going to start, said when he says he won't settle for backup job, it's because he's competitive, said sitting out year after he transferred to Oklahoma was best thing that happened to him

We're the most dramatic group of old dudes...ever.

Like...worse than Pretty Little Liars dramatic

I wonder if other DawgTalker favorites for the first pick told the Browns: "Don't pick me".

https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/989687548493680640

then cry about like a wimp and try to act like he didn’t know what he done wrong.

I don’t understand why people hate this dude that much

42td 6 ints and 4600 yards last year and people mad because we didn’t get the guy with 26 tds and 22 turnovers and less yards

A party boy

A party boy runt with maturity issues is not someone you want for the face of your franchise. I hope his runty frame can survive the big hits in the AFC North. Yet again, if there is a QB I don't want the Browns will always pick him instead the sane and intelligent choice.

So sick of how bad this team drafts year after year.

You seem to be considering height as the only measuring stick to whether or not a QB will be good, that is a mistake.

I dont care for the pick but Baker is just the opposite of Johnny.

On another note, I've never seen as much butt hurt people on this message board, its pathetic.

This is 100% false

Problems with substance abuse, check.

Problems with the law, check.

Undersized and a scrambler, check.

Issues with maturity, check.

Yeah your right there is no comparison at all except they both have that party boy swagger that Haslem seems to love. Wonder who REALLY made this pick ...

The cops would argue differently ...

You mean like what you are doing right now????

Nah im just stating facts. Baker has a record and tried to run from the cops, that makes him a loser. Only the Browns take a QB with a rap sheet number one overall lol

This won’t end well, the writing is on the wall. This pick has bonehead written all over it.

Sad thing is my steeler fan buddy at work, I told him Mayield would be the pick a month ago and he laughed saying “ no that’s the worst pick they could make” I said yup, exactly that’s why he will be the the guy...hit the nail right on the head...the Browns just can’t get out of their own way...it’s comicL

Yea, if you are selecting late in the 1st round. If you have th #1 pick and your team has won 1 game in 2 years and did not even win a game last year I want my team to select a franchise style QB Darnold or Rosen. This pick was pathetic.

Baker Mayfield is the best Qb out of this draft class, the most accurate, the guy that won the Heisman, the guy that won the most and had the best td to int ratio.

Did the best in his bowl games. Rosen led the Bruins to 6-5 last year and hadn't played in a bowl since 3 years ago.

Dorsey was hired to get the QB position settled.
I think they may finally have the Qb position settled.

Hoping for the best.

On another note, I've never seen as much butt hurt people on this message board, its pathetic.

We will get the QB position settled in 2 years when Dorsey gets fired and the team falls for Fromm.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Disappointed.

Cannot believe we fired Sashi for this. What a terrible draft. So much promise gone.

man, you guys are pretty salty tonight.

Baker will be on Jimmy Kimmel tonight.

It’s still baffling to me how we can bring one GM after another and end up doing the same type of things in the draft.

I just can't believe that we went 1-31 for 2 years, and then, when we are supposed to get the payoff this draft, we take 2 mediocre 1st round talents.

Say what you want: they might turn out to be great players, but they are both mid-level 1st round prospects! There is no denying that!

Typical Browns; somehow we think we are smarter than every other team out there. History has proven otherwise. I have absolutely no faith in Dorsey until we start winning games. This just looks like more of the same to me.

I love PastorMarc's passion. He hated Baker Mayfield predraft, but is already defending him.

Did Baker Mayfield actually get up on stage and hold the Browns Jersey up?

Because neither myself, nor my friends, recall seeing him any where in the draft building.

Were we all just completely irate and blinded by anger that we missed it?

Baker's our QB now, so I hope he becomes great.

He's at home.

Why is he at home? That's so flipping lame. We drafted a lame ass quarterback.

Why is he at home? That's so flipping lame. We drafted a lame ass quarterback.

Is he protesting being picked by the Browns? Because come on. He knew he was gonna be picked in the first round. So why would he not be there?

Why is he at home? That's so flipping lame. We drafted a lame ass quarterback.

Is he protesting being picked by the Browns? Because come on. He knew he was gonna be picked in the first round. So why would he not be there?

Myles Garrett and Joe Thomas? Also lame.

Is he on Jimmy Kimmel? And it's live? As in Mayfield had time to fly to whereever and be on that damn show, and he couldn't be bothered to show up at the draft?

Seriously?

I think he'll facetime in or something.

Jesus you all are a bunch of babies...I didn't want either Baker or Ward, but they're PROSPECTS! This whole thing is starting to remind me of the irrationality surrounding college FB recruiting. Let's just see what we see once the ball is snapped in September before we write them off, shall we?

Manziel at least never tried to run from the damn cops and get tackled and beat up then cry about like a wimp and try to act like he didn’t know what he done wrong.

Uhh...Manziel had the police chasing him with a helicopter after he beat his g/f..

Link

Comparisons to Manziel are so true.

We try every runt that comes out of college. Colt McCoy, Johnny Manziel, and now Baker Mayfield. 3 strikes and you're out.

It's a risky pick, Darnold was the safe pick..

Actually Mayfield was the safe pick...

Fixed it for you.

If I were you I'd be basking in this so much more.

Actually Mayfield was the safe pick...

alot better then Mayfield. Mayfield's biggest problem is that he crumbles in the face of a pass rush.

We drafted two midgets

We drafted two midgets

I'm bitching because this happened today.

I have several months to get over it.

In the end, we all want the Browns to win, so if this loser can lead us to victory, I won't complain much.

Boy there is a cornucopia of bad takes in here right now. Not the least of which is the height stuff.

About 4 or 5 of the best QBs on the planet right now are sub 6'2"

Actually Mayfield was the safe pick...

Of the last 64 QBs taken under 6' 1" 3 have been franchise QBs.

I'm just happy they didn't trade the pick away. He shouldn't be starter for a year or two anyways.

Moving on.

Of the last 64 QBs taken under 6' 1" 3 have been franchise QBs.

Of the last 64 QB's 6'2 or taller how many have become franchise QB's

How many of those 64 won a Heisman ? How many had a similar or better TD to INT ratio ? How many of those were walk-ons who overcame obstacles their whole collegiate career?

Nothing is known until this QB class start playing - but Mayfield is special. Hope Dorsey is right.

Jc

As I said before, I’ve fine with whoever as long as it wasn’t Allen.

A lot of you guys are upset at the mayfield pick, but name another QB in the draft that had the results of mayfield?

If y’all only complaints about the dude is his height and one stint with the cops....then you aren’t really complaining about much. Sorry.

Cause I’m not hearing any questions about his accuracy. His leadership. His results. His throwing motion. His movement in and out of the pocket.

He threw more TDs than the other guys. He threw LESS interceptions than the other guys.

He was asked to play in a scheme in which he absolutely dominated that scheme.

And now, again as I’ve said over and over again, he gets to sit being Tyrod a guy who doesn’t turn he ball over, knows how to move in the pocket, and is smart with taking off only when need be and protecting himself from injury.

So now, we get to have Tyrod Taylor show Baker the ropes, develop our guys this season, and let mayfield take over in 2019 in an offense where there will be CONSISTENCY because we don’t have to change the offense when he takes over!

I woke up absolutely pumped. And Baker has weapons, so it’s not like he has a bunch of bums he’s throwing to? And the draft isn’t even over.

Now that he's been drafted... and I'm probably in the minority on this, but I betting on him to start game 1 vs Pittsburgh.

Hes not going to be given the chance dude ... were giving TT all the reps cause they want to win some games ... and by them i mean the thief ... were 0 - 16 .... 1 - 15 .... 3 - 13 over the last 3 years ... thats 4 - 44 ...

We gave up the #65 pick in the draft for a reason and it wasn’t to be in a competition with a rookie ... it was to be the starter from Day 1 and get ALL THE FIRST TEAM REPS a starter would ....

IF it was an actual competion .... if Mayfield is who u think he is and hes as smart and as hard a worker as they say he is .... he could possibly beat TT out .... TT is “beatable” in that sense ...

But their will be NO COMP ...

You're right. People love to speak in quick soundbite generalizations these days....who has time for distinctions.

Baker comes from a spread-read option offense and will face a big transition to an NFL offense.

But Baker brings remarkable production, accuracy and efficiency. He can also escape/create in the face of pressure.

I think Baker will put in the work to make the transition.

I don't have time to list them all GM.

this kid is actually a less athletically talented Manziel

the biggest question mark with him will always be the spread system he's coming out of.

no i agree.

the biggest question mark with him will always be the spread system he's coming out of.

if height was a problem, it would've manifested itself in college. guys like him, wilson, and brees, already was use to being short and playing at a high level.

people act like the o and d lineman he was playing with/against weren't already 6'3 and taller, and that they just magically grew two inches going into the nfl. doesnt work like that.

I don't care about the flag planting, the crotch grabbing, the police incident, or the Johnny Manziel comparisons. I don't think he's Manziel 2.0, the flag planting and crotch grabbing is just passion, and the police incident is a maturity issue and a mistake he can overcome. What worries me is his height and his speed. Playing in the AFC North where all they do is defense, I'm afraid he's going to get killed. If he's hurt he can't play, if he can't play he is useless, if he's useless, it's a bad pick. So now that he's here I'll wait and see but I'm not happy about the pick and I don't hold out much hope that he'll have much success. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am. We'll see.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/dr...-1-overall-pick

Troy Aikman said he loved the pick, and Mayfield was hands down the best in the draft. Cheers from a HOF.

Troy Aikman (No. 1 overall, 1989) doubts a franchise quarterback is present in this draft, but he adds, “If I was Cleveland, Sam Darnold should be the guy at No. 1.”

In the end, we all want the Browns to win, so if this loser can lead us to victory, I won't complain much

My big thing was mentioned by somebody on TV last night (can't remember who) .. but he's not THAT athletic. He's not going to be able to play like he did at OU. Also, it's not like he has a cannon arm. To me, the pocket, players around him, etc. must be ideal

You're comparing him to Kizer? How many of the QBs you named play in this division?

He was one of the top player under pressure, why does the pocket have to be ideal?

You're comparing him to Kizer? How many of the QBs you named play in this division?

Not if you saw the Georgia game

Ok, Flacco is slow, ben is slow, Dalton is not fast either. lol

I get you you like him. But none of the guys you mentioned are short for a QB. Comparisons are generally nonsense. The Breeze, Wilson, Manziel comparisons, all nonsense. I'm talking about this guy on our team in this division. I think it's a stupid pick. If you don't agree that's fine, but I doubt you'll change my mind. Truth is, I hope he lights it up because I'm a Browns fan and I have no other option at quarterback after this year so we're stuck until he succeeds or fails

I'd like nothing more. And I do have to say I love his accuracy. If he can get rid of the ball quickly and hit the target, he may be okay. But defenses are going to come at him hard, and I don't think he has the escapability to avoid a defensive end or linebacker who runs a 4.5 or 4.6 40. Again, I hope I'm wrong, but I expect to see him on his back a lot.

Mayfield is what a No. 1 overall pick is supposed to look like.
By Alex Kirshner@alex_kirshner Apr 27, 2018, 8:00am EDT
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The Browns picked Baker Mayfield first overall in the NFL Draft on Thursday. Good for them, because they’re getting the quarterback who played better than all his peers in college. And it wasn’t even clear that the Browns were taking Mayfield until the moment they did it.

It’s possible that they could’ve wrung more value out of their two picks — first and fourth — at the top of the draft. The parity in this year’s crop of quarterbacks meant there were better years to have the first pick. Maybe they could’ve traded down and gotten Mayfield anyway while adding more picks. Maybe another QB they could’ve had will wind up being just as good. There are no guarantees in draft life. But it’s hard to gripe about Mayfield anyway.

It’s a pretty good idea to just pick the dude who put up amazing numbers.
That’s not an airtight, one-size-fits-all principle. Fans who just watch the NFL don’t remember Timmy Chang, because college football’s No. 2 in all-time yardage never played a down in the league. It’s possible to rack up extraordinary numbers on campus and be nothing in college, and it’s possible to be bad in college to be good in the pros.

That latter thing is rare, though. It’s extremely difficult to outpace your college numbers once you make it to the league. For most quarterbacks, what they accomplished in college is the ceiling of what they can do in the NFL. Almost nobody does better.

So maybe it’s smart, when all things are relatively equal, to just pick the guy who lit up everyone else over a sparkling college career. Mayfield was that guy. He set the all-time FBS single-season passer efficiency record in 2016, then broke his own mark in 2017 and got Oklahoma to within one unlucky overtime of the national championship game.

Every statistical metric by which you could evaluate this class’ quarterbacks points in Mayfield’s direction. Really, all of them — from his own counting and rate stats to schedule strength to an improved version of the Wonderlic test. Mayfield was better in college than all of his peers, and it wasn’t because he played in some system that hopped up his yardage totals and made him look like more than he was. Mayfield played in a somewhat pro-style system at Oklahoma, and he ran it to devastating effect against good teams.

Every draft pick carries risk, but Mayfield carries less than any other QB.
In college:

Josh Allen was a tall mediocrity.
Sam Darnold coughed up gobs and gobs of turnovers.
Lamar Jackson had a slight physique and got hit (and sacked) a lot.
Josh Rosen got crushed a lot and never had a chance to shine because of iffy line play and a bad running game, not that he can’t become a great NFL QB himself.
The knock on Mayfield is that he’s ... a little short, I guess? He’s 6’1, which is on the smaller side for a quarterback, but he still had fewer passes swatted at the line than the 6’5 Allen did. He was one of the best college QBs ever, without anyone else’s warning signs.

Some have likened Mayfield to washout Johnny Manziel on the grounds that both are rambunctious Texans and have been arrested. But that’s not fair to Mayfield for a few reasons, the biggest being that his off-field wrongs don’t approach the severity of Manziel’s. The Browns aren’t worried about it, and neither is their new QB.


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Acknowledging how it sounds to call the 0-16 Browns a good landing spot for any player, they might be a pretty good destination for Mayfield.
Hue Jackson has a career reputation for working well with quarterbacks, no matter how miserable his two Browns campaigns have been. Mayfield’s offensive line might be bad, and it’s best not to minimize the problem with 5/11 of an offense being bad. But he has a couple of potentially strong running backs in Carlos Hyde and Duke Johnson.

His pass-catching corps has loads of as-yet unrealized potential. It includes two recent first-round picks in speedster Corey Coleman and tight end David Njoku. The team traded for Jarvis Landry and extended his contact, and Josh Gordon isn’t suspended as of this writing.

Tyrod Taylor cost the Browns a valuable draft pick, 65th overall. They probably didn’t trade for him to sit him immediately. But he might be just the right bridge to Mayfield, playing out the last days of the bad Browns before Mayfield slides into a superior situation. Mayfield says he plans to compete to play now, and of course he does. If he doesn’t, it’s OK.

Browns fans should be stoked, because it’s often the case that great college football players turn out to just be great football players, period.
Ask the Texans if they regret taking Deshaun Watson in 2017. They don’t.

Ask the Browns if they regret not taking Watson last year. Maybe they don’t, either. But now they don’t have to wonder.

Mayfield played in a somewhat pro-style system at Oklahoma

I don't have time to list them all GM.

Darnold pampered rich kid

He’s a shorter Jason White.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_White_(American_football)

Maybe you can help me with something.

Both Mayfield and our FO say he is a winner, but I was looking at his bio, and with the exception of individual awards, has he won anything?

Deshaun Watson was a winner, we was the national Champion, but what did Mayfield win to classify himself has such?

Can anyone expound on this?
All I've seen thus far is how he is just another spread QB. If he's been running part of a pro system and rocking the snot out of it, you'd think people would be a whole lot happier right now.

j/c...

If Mayfield beats out Tyrod, that Jets vs Browns prime time game got interesting.

Potentially, Mayfield vs Darnold.

Maybe you can help me with something.

Both Mayfield and our FO say he is a winner, but I was looking at his bio, and with the exception of individual awards, has he won anything?

Deshaun Watson was a winner, we was the national Champion, but what did Mayfield win to classify himself has such?

Here's the thing: we're already saying "if Mayfield starts". (and I'm not just singling you out Milk) So suddenly our plan is already out the window. Drafting Mayfield brings the immediate pressure to play him right away

I would love love love to see this comparison to Darnold. That kid can't handle pressure, glad we skipped drafting him.

Swish, Baker compleated 70% of his passes in the big 12. Did you see his highlights? Not a defensive player within 10 yards, no pass rush. Weeden was a great QB in the big 12.

Weeden was NOT a great QB in the Big 12. Anyone that turned on tape could see that he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

Blackmon and Dez Bryant made him look good.

Mayfield won three straight Big 12 titles. His team was never good enough to win the national title.

Ok here is my breakdown on mmayfield

bad
He is short
immaturity issues
scheme thats produced a lot of busts
watch his highlight reel and all you here is wide open, wide open, wide open
He can move but he isnt much of an athlete
doesnt see the field very well
zone schemes he faced didnt allow him to develop the anticipation I want to see

Good
He throws the most catchable ball I have seen since Joe Montana, tremendous touch
He has the big arm, much better than most think
he gets rid of the ball very quick
he plays on his toes, some qbs cower in the pocket he is on his toes and bouncing, makes himself much taller in the pocket
Those around him love playing with him, his is a leader
He throws with incredbile accuracy
He doesnt panic under pressure

I love watching the kid play and he will have weapons here. I would not have taken him at 1 but I see the good in him. He wants it and he wanted to be a Brown.

2 games to watch is OSU and Georgia. Both were on youtube

I don't think Hue and Dorsey care what some posters say on a message board.

that's funny stuff

How tall was Brian Sipe?

That was 2 -3 NFL generations ago, with totally different passing game rules and QB expectations.

I have been talking with Bills fans for a couple weeks and they are destroyed with Allen pick and almost everyone of them thinks we got the best QB in the draft ...

I'd rather have Mayfield than Allen, but then again we did have the #1 pick.

I have been talking with Bills fans for a couple weeks and they are destroyed with Allen pick and almost everyone of them thinks we got the best QB in the draft ...

My Jets buddy and his Jets buddies were bummed that we got Mayfield.

Actually, I hope you guys keep whinning and crying like you are. Baker is the type of kid that loves that. He loves to prove people wrong, and has done it his whole life on the field.

I started looking at this thread to get some clarity and to relax a little, because I really wanted Darnold. And I think I'm getting it. From Mayfield's supporters, I'm seeing all the things I'm saying about him. He wins, he's accurate, he lit up the college game, he beat OSU, he played well against Georgia, and he has the best stats in almost every category in college, he's intelligent and reportedly good at the whiteboard, and he started 3+ years.

From the haters, I'm seeing nothing but ridiculous posts about how he's Manziel, he's short, he's not good under pressure, that he's not fast, and that he won't be able to turn the corner on NFL defenses.

He's not Manziel. Dorsey and company wouldn't have drafted him if he was. Trust their process. Dorsey would not hang his hat on a lazy substance abuser.

He is short for a QB, but that hasn't hampered him so far.

He is good under pressure. He actually rates the best under pressure.

He is just as fast as the other QB's in our division, as pointed out by Willit.

He doesn't need to turn the corner on NFL defenses because he's not a running QB. This comment was the one I found most ridiculous.

Were you holding your crotch when you typed that?

I'm just not a whiner.

Yeah, that's the only time he acted like an azzhat. What about beaning an opponent in the head with a football? What about running from the cops?

I understand he's our guy. I will support him. But when will some of you quit acting like his poor behavior is a one time deal? There is cause for concern.

Everybody (teams) wanted him, The Cardinals, Saints, Bills, Broncos's Jet's.

Former NFL General Manager Charley Casserly, now with NFL Network, polled 24 league executives to gauge the best quarterback prospect in the 2018 NFL Draft.

According to Casserly, 17 of those executives prefer USC quarterback Sam Darnold, 3 prefer Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield, 2 prefer UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen and 2 prefer Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen. When he tallied the votes, from first to fourth, Darnold was first followed by Allen, Mayfield and Rosen.

Will Baker Mayfield be given as much rope to boom or bust as Myles Garrett has been or will be given?

His character is definetly something to be questioned ... he’s made some DUMB, INMATURE decisions .... im hoping he matures and makes better decisions ... thats completely possible .. he needs to control his temper ....

He has questions ... THEY ALL DID ...

He was my 3rd choice ... it is what it is ...

LETS HOPE TABBERS RIGHT ....

CONGRATS TABBER ... u best be right bro ...

Playing in the AFC North where all they do is defense, I'm afraid he's going to get killed.

Joe Flacco 4.84
Ben 4.75
Andy 4.82
Mayfield4.81



(kind weird ben had the fastest time out that bunch)

anywho.... anything else?

I wanted Darnold and Chubb but I'm not upset with whom we picked because I believe they are good players also. I've been a Browns fan for over 50 years and am entitled to my opinion but it doesn't make me a talent evaluater. Does anyone on this board think they know more than John Dorsey and our scouting staff? I know I don't. I have faith in what they have done so far and what they will do in the next 2 days. Build us a winner!!

I am a TCU season ticket holder and have watched Baker several times. TCU's defense typically ranks as on of the top in the country and is usually very fast. He comsistently picked them apart, because TCU would shut down the running game most times. You can say he is short, but his O line was plenty tall and he rarely had a pass batted down. Good vision down the field on the run and has a fairly quick release. Bottom line he wins a lot of games and his team mates love him! If you play or root against him you dislike him a great deal!!

His style will take some maturing to make it as a pro but he has a lot of heart and winning cures a lot of issues.

You can't count to 5 or 6?

You're right. People love to speak in quick soundbite generalizations these days....who has time for distinctions.

Baker comes from a spread-read option offense and will face a big transition to an NFL offense.

But Baker brings remarkable production, accuracy and efficiency.

He can also escape/create in the face of pressure.

I think Baker will put in the work to make the transition.

This may be the worst pick in the history of the Browns. They had 2 QB’s(Rosen, Darnold) and one cant miss player in Barkley...all they had to do was turn in the card on one of those 3 guys and they would not have screwed up the pick.

I'm just happy they didn't trade the pick away. He shouldn't be starter for a year or two anyways.

Moving on.

I know, But, NFL success is not a democracy.

and I don't trust anybody in New York cares about what's best for Cleveland in sports.

NO Worries, because Baker Mayfield is the best Qb in this draft, he's going to turn the Browns into a better team,

And in a few months everybody's going to see this Guy play, and everybody's going to get on board.

Baker Mayfield =

I like how before the draft, and we were being mocked to pick Allen, everyone was all, "Dear Gawd, don't pick a guy because of measurables!"

So then we pick Mayfield and now it's, "Dear Gawd, we picked a midget!"

i liked Allen's measurable just not his accuracy. I was a Darnold guy all the way. Big strong and accuracy, mature and Blue collar. I drank warm milk and cried myself to sleep last night.

2 Mannings Rothelisberger, Flacco, Rodgers, Winston, Cam, Carr, Jimmy G, Rivers, Goff, Luck, Cousins, Wentz,Brady. That all I can think of off the top of my headGM

And putting Cousins on there is a bit of a stretch, what has he won?

He is the only kid to ever WALK on a team, and become a Heisman winner. He is the winningest QB in college if I am not mistaken coming out. He has overcome everywhere he has been. That's what they mean.

ill worry about it when its a problem. at this point, its not. its the NFL now, he either needs to realize that or he will suffer. we will see. im not gonna and moan like 5 year old who just spilled his ice cream cone though.

I don't know much about these guys coming out of college so I can't really speak to anyone's ability or offer my own opinions on a projection for success.

Having said that, I'm not really concerned at this point with complaints of his attitude.

Truth be told, if give the choice between a young Qb who's going in to a game wide eyed and gets shell shocked versus a guy who's going to play like his big brass ones are too big... I'd take the latter. I'd love to see someone in Cleveland with the passion of a Phillip Rivers, even if it leads to a flag or two. I'm tired watching offenses that get punked out.

And in regards to the 'behavioral' stuff... it's a good thing he doesn't have to be put on the field right away. He'll easily sit behind TT for a season or more (which would be ok) before he gets the keys to the car. That's plenty of time for him to learn about professionalism.

JMO

I year or TWO? He’ll be nearing his 26th Birthday in two years. I hope he’s grown up some by then.
Meanwhile Darnold will be almost as old as Baker is now in that time and he’s already more mature.
But Browns.

ill worry about it when its a problem. at this point, its not. its the NFL now, he either needs to realize that or he will suffer. we will see. im not gonna and moan like 5 year old who just spilled his ice cream cone though.

Yup, and I'm sure he'll grow out of it plenty quick.

He'll have fire, but be more "appropriate" with some guidance from veterans and the fact that he's going to be BUSY working... though, I would love to see him plant an orange & brown flag on the 50 of Heinz Field.

That sounds like a great fairy tale rendition, but I'd just like to win for once -- and if after that emotions are running super high, then by all means, roll with it.

I've had so little to cheer about, or be pleased in any way about, with this franchise that I wholeheartedly welcome any genuine show of emotion.... or anything that gives me reason to have any sort of positive emotion.

we finally agree lol.

I just don't get the arguments being thrown around that completely false and proven so, yet they still keep saying it. lol

The same guys bashing Baker, were all in on Cody Kessler, yet Mayfield is more accurate than cody, has a much better arm, and much more mobile. I don't get it.

Darnold is calm, collected, and professional. .

Ben doesn’t have to run while on the field. He can throw with 300 pound guys draped on him. He can stand tall in the pocket at 6’5” and see over a collapsing pocket.
Two things Baker won’t be able to do. Run. Not run. Don’t matter.
We chose poorly. I hope I’m wrong but... Jason White 2.0 with behavior issues is what I see. Jason didn’t get drafted.

Yuck. As much as I want to beat the Steelers I want even more for us to beat them then walk off the field quietly, like it was expected, and celebrate in the locker room. Not act like a frat party dumped onto the field and celebrate like a bunch of punks. Act like we’re professionals. Not pull the punk crap TO pulled in Dallas.

And I'll stop worrying about it when it stops becoming a problem. And in case you missed it, it's just a logical concern. His history has shown us that. Some try to ignore it, but that's their problem.

I'm not saying he can't or won't outgrow it. But he's not 20. It could go either way. As a Browns fan I certainly hope he does. But actually owning up to his actions and understanding he has had issues in his past has nothing to do with spilling an ice cream cone.

Let me tell you what it means. It means some people own up to a situation he created while others wish to stick their fingers in their ears and go "la,la,la,la,la,la".

Here's the difference between all of us and John Dorsey: we know more about the BROWNS than he does. we have a dang good feel for the culture, organization, fans, and what's not worked well here.

I hope you're right. If it doesn't work out we can start a Midget wrestling team with Baker and Ward.

I keep hearing this about him being a walk-on. Why do we care again? What does that mean about his future success or lack thereof in the NFL? Is it supposed to be a feel-good story? Supposed to tug on the heart strings? Awww poor wittle kid, nobody liked him and he tried and tried and tried.... Like who gives a rip? NOBODY CARES!

And please, let's stop with the "Heisman" thing. It's like saying a guy won his conference in HS so he's going to be a good NFL QB. It has about the same amount of correlation. Need I remind everyone of this list -

Baker Mayfield
Lamar Jackson
Marcus Mariota
Jameis Winston
Johnny Manziel
Robert Griffin III
Cam Newton
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Troy Smith
Matt Leinart
Jason White
Carson Palmer
Eric Crouch
Chris Weinke
Danny Wuerffel
Charlie Ward
Gino Torretta
Ty Detmer
Andre Ware

And that's just going back to 1987. So that's 20 Heisman winning QBs. 18, not including the 2 from this draft. I count 3.5 who had any modicum of success in the NFL. Palmer, Bradford, Newton (who is crazy over-valued) and 1/2 for Mariota (still TBD). So 3.5/18 is a 19% success rate.

Might as well say you threw a dart and it landed on Baker. It would hold more statistical weight.

As for winningest QB in college? Yep, Tebow and McCoy are calling. Maybe we should draft Blake Sims. At least he won a national championship at Alabama - something Baker never did. I mean if it's all about "winning in college".

Theres a big difference sitting in a room interviewing with Dorsey, Haley, and Hue (well maybe not hue), than Ray Farmer and Mike Pettine, no?

I highly doubt Dorsey would have drafted him had he thought it was a problem. I highly doubt this staff did not do their homework, and actually interview and investigate this kid.

History has no bearing here, because this is not the same regime. That's a fact.

Did you know that if you take an extra drop step back its the equivalent to BM being 6foot8?'

did you know he has never had an problem seeing over the line in college, a line that is taller than our line now?

True, but a QB steps up in the pocket...no?

Hell, if he took two steps back it would make him 7'3!

I guess if he just turns and runs from the defense by the time he gets back 10 or 12 yards he’ll be like 20’ tall or something. Who can tackle that?

So out of that list, I'll say these guys are franchise guys:
Watson, Wentz, Winston, Mariota, Carr, Luck, Prescott, Cousins.

We haven't really seen enough of Trubisky, Mahomes, Garroppolo, or Goff to make a call there, but I'll give you half.

So 10 guys out of 63 (I was wrong on the first count) ... that's 16% success rate. Just about the same as 1 Russell Wilson out of 6 other short guys.