Since the off season movement thread is nearing 10 pages and today begin the legal tampering period, I'm starting a thread to track news and signings not related to the Browns.

On Sunday, the Bills announced that they are re-signing wide receiver Isaiah McKenzie to a two-year deal. In 2021 McKenzie had 20 catches for 178 receiving yards and one touchdown.

Adams informs Packers he will not play under Franchise Tag.

Cole Beasley to replace Landry in the slot?

I'm on the Braxton Berrios train.

That's where I'm leaning as well. Berrios can be our slot, while proving our team speed and thrive as our returner (lord knows we need one) Beasley was getting phased out in Buffalo, and turns 33 next month...No thanks on him.

j/c...

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Man that Ogbah contract...sheesh

Ogbah has been really good for several years.

Gaskin has really been a disappointment for the Dolphins. This move makes sense.

Are the Jets really going to let him go??

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

I always felt deep in my heart he was never a true Clevelander! This proves it!

** Heads over to a Steelers board for reactions**

Benjamin Allbright called Trubisky to the Steelers a couple weeks back. Not surprised by this move.

Big-O..

The Trubisky signing reminds me of when the Bears signed Dalton last year.

Berrios's agent met with the Jets over a month ago, they were unable to come to a conclusion (Jets have a ton of cap, yet the rumors were berrios was looking for 9 mill a year...which is crazy imho) I'm sure the Jets have an offer prepared, but allowing Berrios to test the waters...He would be superb for us (As he is that returner we haven't had in forever, plus he thrives in the slot with his quickness and jets)

i bet some people here are devastated

Good for Ogunjobi. But he blew out his Achilles in the playoffs and is a big person. That contract is pretty, pretty risky.

Keeping with his M.O.

Going to be a real bummer when they draft Willis. Maybe Pickett.

Actual picture of Kenny Pickett.

This is sooo fantastic!

That's two offensive linemen for the Bengals.

What are the Bengals doing?!?!? They are not supposed to sign people and/or have a plan going into free agency!

This reminded me that the Jaguars traded Schobert to the Steelers and that Schobert forced that fumble on Landry that basically lost us the Pittsburgh game and now I hate the Jaguars for signing this guy.

I'm guessing we'll be in the market for one or two of these guys. That price seems like quite a bit for a guy who doesn't rush the passer.

That's a ton of money for a DT that I've never even heard of.

....I think Danny Shelton is available.

I actually wouldn't hate it at the right price.

Shelton played 29% of the Giants snaps last season. That's better than I thought because I didn't even know he was in the league.

Man, the way these contracts are floating...Wouldn't be surprised if Clowney fetches 20 mill from someone.

Jaguars getting everyone today.

"Per me" ..... really? I mean I am sure it's legit, but man....

I feel like I've seen this before.

Get Trent Baalke on the phone and offer a fourth rounder for Laviska Shenault!

This is less than I thought he would get.

j/c...

I don't like a world in which the Bengals spend money.

Even letting Ogunjobi go, they are still addressing the trenches in a major way, at least spending-wise.

And letting Ogunjobi go coming off an Achilles torn in the playoffs is completely reasonable.

Dang I wanted BJ Hill too, then again I thought he would sign 3/18...some big contracts being laid out!

Jaguars going to Jaguar.

Jesus, Kirk got a contract that I'm sure even surprised him!

Kirk now the 3rd highest paid WR in the league. Lol.

Davante Adams is salivating.

Scares me most, is now Allen Robinson is going to probably hold out for more money (if we are in serious talks with him)

Anyone find out what Trubiskys contract is worth? Just curious, to see what the market is for a QB

Thats why it is nice to have a bunch of Draft picks in a Draft like the one around the comer.

Maybe I'm late to the game, but Trubisky is going to the Steelers.

Yes he is. Which, strangely, seems to be pleasing Browns and Steeler's fans alike.

He's definitely a possible upgrade over Mason Rudolph.

This amazes me. He's a solid backup/3rd QB quietly making millions. He and Hoyer have long careers doing just that.

But Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson he ain't

j/c...

I don't know how I feel about Trubisky in Pittsburgh. We always seem to struggle with backup quality, mobile QBs. We give up long scrambles to Chad Henne.

At least I'll get to amuse myself by calling the Steelers' QB Mr. Pittbiscuit for awhile. It's the small things in life.

j/c...

Helps set the CB market for Denzel.

Whenever I see a word like "invoices" on these things, I can't help but think they simply copy/pasted the agent text.

It is.

Being a back-up QB in the NFL might be the sweetest gig in sports.

You can hang around until you are around 40, make millions a year to rarely play, and when you do people don't really expect all that much.

" and when you do people don't really expect all that much." Unless they are Browns fans.

Shocked that Kirk got so much

LOL @ some of these contract numbers! Colt McCoy getting 6 million guaranteed??????????????????????????????????????????????

j/c...

I believe Olivier Vernon is in play.

He has had a year to recover from the knee injury. I am sure the Browns will work him out.

If he is sound. Sure sign him. At worse he is excellent veteran depth.

The Jaguars are drunk. We should now offer them a sixth for Laviska Shenault.

Geez!

Trying to make sure Lawrence is in the right environment to succeed.

I'm on my phone... Do they have normal, high or low number of draft picks this year?

Yeesh

.

I think Jarvis would love to go home to Louisiana

j/:

Kudos to the Jaguars looking to win free agency.

I was a fan when he came out of college. I think he's under performed. He sort of fits the Berry mold and he'd look good as a slot guy for the Browns.

Any other big FAs or trades the Browns are eyeing?

no money to do so...we've wasted quite a bit. Hoping they can restructure Cooper. I'd love to see Wagner here for a 2 year deal

Yeah, that aint happening.

The issue with restructuring Cooper is that as of now, there's no guaranteed money and the Browns can get out without any dead cap at any time. Asking Cooper to restructure would move that money to other years usually in a bonus and guaranteed. I'm not sure if the restructure is a good move for this year where it might have a more team advantage next year.

I like the idea of trading for Shenault. He's still on his rookie deal costing a little over 2M in 2022 and 2.4M in 2023. Averaging over 60 catches and over 600 yards his first two years shows promise. At 6'2" and 220 lbs - he presents a big target for Mayfield. With his size, quickness, route-running, and run-after-the-catch skills, Shenault is pretty polished wideout who he runs good routes, tracks the ball well, has good body control, is a hands catcher, and has strong hands to make contested catches. He has the versatility to be a Shenault is pretty polished wideout who he runs good routes, tracks the ball well, has good body control, is a hands catcher, and has strong hands to make contested catches. He has the versatility to be a possession wideout or challenge teams along the deep sideline. At this cost, Shenault could be a steal and exactly the type of player the Browns are looking for at WR without the heavy investment.

Congrats Austin. Many posters around here labeled you a bust after one season in Cleveland. Yet you have started 39 out of 40 games for the SuperBowl Champion Rams. Now you sign a three year 30 Million contract with Carolina.

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yea, blocking for sam darnold who will go out of his way to put a bunch of sack #'s on him. yay!

Shenault would be a good guy to target. He’s got the physical tools from what I’ve seen. Maybe JAX would want to get rid of him given their new influx of players.

I wonder if we start looking at Jamison Crowder now (Who was one of the top slot WRs with the Redskins, kind of been injured and hampered with the Jets) He will be a lot more affordable than those contracts placed yesterday. Other cheap option I can see is Jakeem Grant, as he doubles as a returner (though not the proven WR Crowder is)

j/c...

Go get him, Berry.

I hope we def. pursue Hekker, as we have a big void at punter, unless we are looking at that come draft time.

How many other people would call a punter "a freak athlete"...? lol

Damn Myles Jack just got cut....I wish we had cap room, because he's a stud...sad they couldnt even get anything trade wise for him.

LB/DT are still our biggest holes. Id love to see Jack or Wagner here

I'm of the opinion that LB is a position group the Browns' FO have far down the pecking order relative to other position groups, and thus, may not assign that many resources to it. The biggest move so far has been drafting JOK because he fell so far and the value was there. Probably because other teams might have the same approach with the LB group. Who knows?

Myles Jack might be someone a team can get on the cheap. I feel like the past few years have been really bad for him, but I could be wrong.

Myles Jack had a PFF grade of 37.7.

Mack Wilson's was 75.3.

Myles Jack had some sweet highlights a ways back. I don't think the hype matches the current substance, though.

I'd be lying if I said I watched a full Jaguars game last year, didn't realize that Jack performed so badly, I recall them flipping his position...not sure if that lead to his struggles or not.

I remember Jack having major concerns about his knee coming out of college.

j/c:



I think this a great spot for him to land.

Yeah I remember him dropping some because of it, could be a degenerative condition...and maybe his play has dipped from it. I'm not at all certain.

OF course the Ravens had to go get Marcus Williams...they are always securing top end talent.

Go draft Cade York.

Nooooooo

and Arraiza.

Is pick 13 too early at this point?

not if he kicks and punts.

We better not trade for Watson because it'll cause us to miss out on Punt God.

I don't remember if you were one of the Corbett lovers,, or haters?

neither. i barely remember that dude.

He was a bust for the Browns. We drafted him in the second round and he played one season for us before being moved for a fifth round pick.

He played ONE seaosn for us, YET many Browns fans labeled him a bust. Just backs up what I have been saying around here for over 20 years. Many Browns fans don't know crap. They expect us to draft 7 Pro Bowl players who make that list after the first year, otherwise they claim them as a bust. The Cleveland Browns have the best fans in the world. The problem is that 20 percent of them also have the lowest IQ's in the world.

It seems as if John Dorsey is also one of those people as he drafted him in the second round and then traded him for a fifth rounder a year later.

and you don't see me bragging up Dorsey around here. He did a hell of a lot of good things when he was GM, and he also did some bad things.

And this is exactly the way things work out when people try to claim players are a bust by not giving them any time to develop. Sometimes it ends up making NFL FO's look like fools.

So you're saying he was human just like everyone else? Say it can't be so!!!

Yep he is Human just like every GM before him, and every one that will follow him.

What kind of name is "Carl"?

Form of the German and Scandinavian name, Karl, which is a version of Charles. Karl has Germanic origins, and means "man", in the specific meaning of "free man".

Hmmm - maybe Carr on the move as well to Indy.

Joshy might like him some Jimmy G.

Noooooooo. I'll miss Hollywood and the red carpet.

Not unexpected.

How quickly this will become a distant memory...

I wouldn’t mind seeing if we can grab him on a 1 year deal.

DE DeZarius Smith signing with the Ravens.

Ouch.

Julio Jones is literally one of the best receivers ever, he just hasn't been healthy.

And he's 33.

He's a shadow of his former self - no thanks.

I'd take just about anyone on a one year deal. With that said, we are not the type of situation a player of his stature goes to.

I'd take a shot at Valdez-Scantling or Deasean Hamilton (can't have too many Deshauns on your team).

j/c...

Seems like a lot for a guy who hasn't been good in a couple years. Jaguars linebacking corp reunite!

Hmm, seems the Browns have a lot of holes to fill, and if they win the DW lottery, even more holes. Right now we need DL, LB, OL, WR, maybe TE and at least one or two DBs.

I want to see the details and guaranteed money. Dude is going to be 33 in a week or so.

Over $51 million in guarantees.

Never understood the mystery with Higgens not playing often. Was the dude continually late for meetings? Could he not read a playbook? Did he slack off in practices? Seemed to me from the eye test that when he played he caught most of what was thrown to him and performed well, just not sure what bridge he burned with the organization

Cant believe Miller got that long of a deal. There has to be an out after 2-3 years max

Panthers agree to one-year deal with former Browns WR Rashard Higgins

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/16/panthers-browns-wr-rashard-higgins/

He was a fan favorite, but always seemed to be in the dawghouse here.

Cole Beasley available now.

I would consider signing him - good veteran slot receiver.

He is a great slot WR. Now if we could only tell him who will be throwing him the ball. Only a short time ago obviously a WR like Amari cooper could be had. Now? Those in charge just upped the difficulty factor x100.

See, this is the problem with twitter, and "instant news". Way too often it's wrong.

I get it, everyone wants to be first with "news". It should be called speculation. jmo.

Much of that depends on how reputable the person that is tweeting is.

Or he went to sign the deal with the Raven now that FA is officially and he failed the team physical or the team saw something medically they did not like? He had back surgery back in October.

Espn just reported Allen Robinson signs with the LA Rams

Strange place for Robinson to end up

3 year/$46 million

In all honesty...I really hope we pursue Fletcher Cox (whom was just released) he is exactly what we need inside at DT...he will coat some coin though, despite his age....I also wouldn't mind Logan Ryan as a safety option (especially in Woods 3 safety set) he is very smart, and more than capable and can slide in at corner to help too. And he won't command a lot.

Not familiar with Logan Ryan but I think at safety what we could use is a true ballhawk center fielder.
My opinioin is that all our safeties are better as strong safeties

j/c....

The NFL is drunk.

Aaron Rodgers probably hitting the bottle now, too.

Did he really think his $50M per year wouldn't affect the Packers ability to pay other players?

Maybe Aaron will demand a trade now? Baker for Rodgers?

If the Packers traded Rodgers they would have $125 million in dead cap. For real.

Just a hunch....Allen Robinson to GB.

He already signed with the Rams.

That's why I said it was just a hunch.

Well at least we’re not the only team receiving devastating news. Z

for Mr. Rogers, maybe.

Purple's a pain to do on a cellphone.

Maybe he retires instead, or more likely he takes his money and just doesn't try very hard.

TWSS

I realized that you probably weren’t serious. I just wanted to post the cap number because it’s hilarious.

Thought Rogers only stayed because of Adams?

Strange or not? Doesn't seem to be any top WR's considering Cleveland as a landing spot. With every passing day it sure seems to be pointing at the Stefanski scheme as the reason no one wants to come here. When the dust clears - IMHO - we'll start hearing the reasons people are shying away from Cleveland and it's not because of Baker. I'll believe Diggs, the OBJ in May, and Hooper before I listen to the Baker Haters. It's a trend and it's becoming more evident by the day.

The AFC West is an escalating arms race right now.

Why would they, right now we don't have any idea who our QB will be.

Let’s run it back with big L!!

Man, I feel for him. Tough break.

Was this honestly a surprise? Dude blew out his achilles exactly 2 months ago and had surgery in the meantime. Was he supposed to pass a physical already?

This must be the plan everyone keeps talking about that our FO has for our QB.

https://twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/1505206690962096137

I really want Crowder, as I think he'll sign cheaper 1/5mill deal. He's one of the better slot guys in the league, and you watch his tape he kind of reminds you of the way we used Jarvis...just with a lot more speed (as I remember him running a 4.39 coming out of Duke) obviously playing for the Jets your stats don't always add up. But I think he fits perfect on here, and is around 28 years old...so still young enough.

I think we should just slide Cooper into the slot most of the time when we go 3 WRs. He's been effective in the snaps he's gotten there, and giving a route runner of his caliber that much room to operate is tough on defenders unable to use the sideline for help. link

We also have Felton, Njoku, and Bryant (and potentially Jakeem Grant now) to share slot reps. I think we could use more of a contested catch/jumpball receiver or even a Will Fuller speed merchant-type depending on Schwartz progress.

I wouldn't be upset if we went Skyy Moore in the draft, though. He's got nice inside-outside versatility.

I wouldn't hate Crowder if the money is right, either.

Wow

the cap is a myth.

These past couple days must have Lamar Jackson smiling ear to ear.

and he's doing it with no agent.

Why? He'll never win the division again? I don't see how he would view that as a good thing.

EDIT: the payday, went right over my head, duh.

Between the Rogers deal, the watson deal, and now the stafford deal, Lmar is about to become an extremely rich man.

You think he will get more than Watson? Boy I hope so.

I think most FOs are going to be upset with ours at setting the precedent of having everything guaranteed

that precedent was set by Aaron Rodgers.

Didnt realize everything was guaranteed w/him? Wow

I don't think so.

The payday will change the landscape.

Not the annual amount by guaranteed money.

That has been a leverage point for owners. This will be a future issue.

Haslam is not going to be popular with the other owners.

Just me thinking out loud. Goodell works for the owners. You can bet that the teams who submitted bids spoke to Goodell.

It will never come out. But they know what if any suspension is coming. If the civil cases are all settled out of court.

Motivation has to be in question. If any cases go to court and Watson wins his case. I do not see how the NFL can suspend him?

I have heard people say six games. That is based upon Ben's case. That is different.

I have not seen a time frame for civil cases. The NFL may wait till that part ends before any ruling.

Both Clowney and Jarvis are in play.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...ry-and-jadeveon-clowney-sources-say.html

They restructured Cooper's deal.

Robert Woods traded to the Titans!

Woods is someone I wanted here, even though he was injured

So the Rams signed a SB winning QB for far less than we paid a wannabe SB winning QB.

Stafford is also 8 years older and currently on their roster... we were competing to get him here, and thus had to over pay

Far much more than any other team in the NFL. But then when you back yourself into a corner in such a way that will happen.

"I won't be coming to Cleveland."

Mayfield says he demands a trade.....

"But we'll make you the highest paid player in the league and guarantee every dime of it!"

"Well hell yeah! Write those checks!"

Boo.

Good signing for them if he can stay healthy.

That seems like a steal ... not sure what the cap space he would eat would have been but Woods would have almost settled the WR room here in CLE and that's a SMALL price to pay. He is a very good WR.

j/c...

If the above is true, it's down to Seattle, Saints, and Panthers?

Then there is Jimmy G who has yet to land anywhere.

My guess is Winston goes to back to the Saints.

Ouch.

Glass half full: They still save $9M in cap space.

No wonder they might want someone like Mariota compared to Baker......it would be another $18M assigned to the QB position.

j/c...

Baker might be left at the alter.

Falcons most likely out (Mariota and draft pick), Panthers most likely out (draft pick), Seahawks maybe - lucky to move him for a 6th rounder or nothing just to rid him of the contract.

People on here thinking we would get a 1st for him - ok.

Mariota possibly to the Falcons
Winston to the Saints
Wentz to the Commanders
Ryan to Indy.

I'm thinking the league doesn't think all that much of Baker.

Maybe Buddy Boy will come through and make an offer from the Lions.

Baker would be a very slight upgrade over Goff.

If they can't get an offer, they'll have to cut him and be stuck with 18 mil cap hit. He will sit on his couch before they do that.

Muck Rack? lol

Sorry kids no QB needy team was about to rush in and acquire
Mayfield. He is a 3rd tier QB whos weaknesses were disguised
Well by KS. ....until the league caught on.

Mayfields career arc might resemble McCoys now.
He will be a backup in the league. Good enough to win you
A couple games until the starter heals up.

Maybe the Giants will kick the tires on.him since Jones is a bust

So now we’re down to Atlanta and Seattle as the two options, and maybe Detroit

Baker’s stock is completely gone

"Baker’s stock is completely gone"

Baker has led the league in INTs. He is coming off shoulder surgery. And was only good in spurts while he was here. Browns fans grade him high, while most people think is is just okay. 18 million for a back up is a lot of money.

That is certainly a very popular narrative - especially in MSM and the comments section. As for Browns fans - I'd say Baker is viewed as a bust by more fans than who support him.

I think his value has been trashed by the Browns FO by the way they handled this AND by the way Baker responded.

I think Baker's ceiling is the way he played in his rookie season when he was something of a gunslinger - and set rookie records despite no first team reps till Tyrod was hurt and not playing a full 16 games. . . . I think Baker's ceiling is his 9 game stretch 2020 when we went to and won a play off game. . . . . I think if Baker goes to a good situation, he will be a good NFL QB. If he goes to a team in transition (panthers jump to mind - they have a dead in the water HC who is going to be fired at the end of the season) he will look bad. I doubt we get more than a high 3rd round pick.

Bakers PFF's metrics are not very encouraging when you study
Them. Combine the fact that he is turnover prone
And lest not forget the Number 1 overall pick.
His stock is falling faster than DeShaun Watsons pants
At a massage parlor

Baker Possible landing spots

Seattle
Pittsburgh

low possibility

Carolina
Jets
Lions
Tampa

he may have landed himself out of a job.

If nothing works out soon, you carry him into the training camp and wait for a starting Qb to get injured (not wishing for that but it happens pretty much every year). And if that doesn't happen, you have the length of the watson suspension to make him sit the bench as the backup Qb. If he refuses then he doesn't get paid. If he creates issues you suspend him for behavior detrimental and you don't have to pay him.

I think you hit it on the head.

While we may be impatient to see how it works out, right now the FO has time to play the wait game.

Imagine this scenario where you start Brissett in game one, he goes down early. Then Baker has to come in, he lights it up, and wins the first 8 games. Then you ship him to some WOKE team, and he wins there... While DW comes in to boos and struggles. I could so see that. Browns will Browns. Is DW the most hated man in Cleveland right now? I think he is.

Umm ....... ?

Bucs are running it back. We host them and that’ll be a primetime game (or 4:25 start)

I had no idea that 11 games was considered "a couple". Good to know.

Those 11 games that Baker won as a QB at this is irrelevant.
If they had any merit now there would have been more of a market
For Mayfield. I thought he could be a bridge QB now
But he isnt even that now. The demand for Baker is simply
Not there at this moment. Maybe the Lions can acquire him
Dorsey is a huge fan of his

So that's now you explain "a couple" as being 11. Good to know.

I always felt like he was decent depth. Maybe not.

j/c:

Lolz.

I guess I am missing something. Why would he come back here when he is signed to the Rams? Was it a one year deal? Why would we want him when he bashed CLE on his way out?

He's a free agent, it was a one year deal. He is now coming off ANOTHER knee injury.
Unless he's coming here on a veteran minimum deal, we have no place for him.

NObj

Saw an article where it was showing a twitter thread of his. People were asking about different destinations. Someone asked him to come back to Cleveland. His response was: LOL that's an interesting one

Sorry for the lack of a link, I can't seem to be able to re-find it.

I saw it too

I wouldn’t put it past OBJ to want to come back here now, though I highly doubt we’d do that

Wow. Juju < Tyreek

WGGTG

Imagine Hill and Cooper…

What are the likes of the Jets and Dolphins going to do with Tyreek Hill? Jeez, people were complaining about Baker wasting OBJ's talents here....

j/c - Hill out of KC would be a serious win for every other play off AFC team.

I would LOVE To see PM without T Hill

If Corey Coleman breaks out as Tyreek Hill's replacement, I will be annoyed. I'll probably also have to laugh.

Waddle and Hill.

Damn.

They still need a QB ... JMHO

Yep. Tua will be under-throwing Hill all day long.

They’ll probably just be throwing him 1000 screens or handing off to him like Deebo Samuel.

Maybe a bunch going on behind the scenes, but that unraveled quickly.

LOL. Brutal!

Hmmmm, another quality WR allowed to seek out a trade and Cleveland was not on his radar. I guess a 6-time pro bowl WR doesn't fit the Browns scheme or cost.

You realize they just spent $230M on their QB, right?

Hmmm, interesting that there is a mega trade and a new massive contract for a dude that abuses women and children, and yet, not a word from the people outraged over Watson. Strictly football talk out there in the Twitterverse. A cynical person might be tempted to say that people are just into performtive virtue-signaling, rather than actually being consistent about moral failures.

And no #1's to trade ...

What first round draft pick were the Browns going to trade back to KC to make a deal work?

Yeah, that's it.

Something in the 2030s?

So are Dolphin fans happy about getting Tyreke morally deficient, PIT?

You're missing the point. True the Browns didn't have a 1st round pick but the news reports immediately reported within hours the Jets and Dolphins were landing spots when Hill was told he could seek out a trade. No mention of Cleveland but, when it came to Watson - the Browns were able to create a deal that both Watson and Houston were acceptable too. If the Browns really wanted a 6-time Pro Bowl WR wouldn't you think they would have found a way to create the deal? Just a thought, you'd think that if you had just acquired a top 5 QB you'd want to surround him with top notch WR's. Maybe Berry will, but the pot for selection is pretty empty.

Or they have a ton invested in the offense already and want to spend some of the cap on defense. They may think Baker held back the receivers we have returning. How many "pro bowl" WRs do teams usually have? Especially ones that have Chubb and Hunt and run multiple TE sets?

If you have a top notch QB, he can raise the play of his receivers. He is not lacking weapons. There are lots of receivers to be had in the draft.

Did you see Hill's contract? $30M a year is pretty wild for a WR.

Speaking of wild, 230M all guaranteed for a QB would classify as pretty wild too.

Finally, something we can agree on.


That's probably going to fill this front office's quota of wild for quite a while.

I don't really follow other teams players. I remember hearing he fell in the draft because of something off the field. Can you give us a quick synopsis?

He punched his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach, knocking her down some steps. This was before he was drafted I believe. More recently his girlfriend accused him of breaking their son's arm.

Yikes, what a douchebag.
I am glad we didn't trade for him.
I have been somewhat critical of Watson but this guy is awful.

I think that the key difference here (unfortunately) is that Hill's stuff has already been pushed under the rug, while Watson's is WIP. Hence the difference in reaction.

Still trying to defend the actions of one person based on the actions of another.

Still trying to deflect on a question you dint like the answer to?

You may wish to address that Hill isn't under investigation and what transpired happened years ago. His case is not before a grand jury. He isn't currently facing 22 civil law suits over repeated behavior. The desperation on the part of some to defend watson is showing.

The fact that you could construe either of my 2 posts here as support for Watson is a good demonstration you are just seeing red, and not thinking clearly.

I have not supported him, nor have I condemned him, beyond calling him a scumbag. I am mostly interested in the social media response. I think I agree with OOBER that people are not necessarily hypocrits from player to player, but rather, just slaves to the news cycle. Hill is old news. The implication is that in 2-3 years when Watson makes headlines for a great performance, new contract, or big trade, people that claim today to care so much won't care. In which case, what is the point?

Nope. I just wanted to point out you never answer questions when you don't like the answer, you just ask a snarky leading question to deflect.

You tried to compare two cases that are in no way similar by actually trying to make them look the same or similar. So what exactly were you trying to do? Making a false comparison certainly indicates you were trying to accomplish something.

I answered this somewhere on another thread. But since you can't seem to understand the difference and feel it actually deserves an explanation, I'll give you one.

One incident happened several years ago. There are no criminal grand juries or civil charges pending. He wasn't given a huge contract while being under investigation for not only criminal charges, but 22 pending civil lawsuits.

Most people comprehend that. I actually thought your desire for an explanation was more facetious than serious. At least one would have hoped so. Guess not.

The situations are in no way similar? They are both NFL superstars being traded, given huge contracts, discussed in social media, and involved in serious crimes. The crimes are different, but both very gross. And honestly, I think I find violent assault worse than sexual imposition (even 2 cases vs. 22 cases). I understand if you and others feel the opposite, but it is quite the stretch to say it is a false comparison.

I'm not disagreeing with you here really...but the QB is the face of the franchise...and everyone already knows that WRs are goofballs anyway.

WILLIE,
I agree the optics are different. But warranting as large a disparity of opinion as the two situations received? I don't know...maybe. I just can't believe we didn't see a single insider / media personality criticize the Hill move in non-football terms, literally on the heels of a long weekend full of shaming the Browns.

I guess if you choose to ignore every point I made, yeah, they're similar.

Goodness an answer. Can't do it with out snark but we've made progress.

Some people deserve snark and some people don't. Like I said, the answer is so obvious I didn't think you seriously felt it needed to be explained to you.

j/c...

That seems like a lot for MVS. Maybe he was overshadowed by Adams? We'll see.

j/c:

MVS - bags of potential that didn't translate ... Maybe the Chiefs will unlock it all?

His agent was obviously out to lunc. . . breakfast.

I can't help but picture he is rather small with some hairy feet.

No way of knowing for sure, but reports of several weeks ago said the browns wanted jarvis to add a year or so and rework the deal, but it didn't happen.

Maybe Bilbo had thoughts Jarvis could do better and it didn't happen.

Bilbo seems like he’d be great on Landry’s quest to get a ring.

Bilbo wanted Landry to go to LA because he wanted to defeat all the Smaug.

What do you think of the Chiefs that got rid of a guy that made it possible for them to be as great an offense as they are... Speak volumes about their value system.....

Now that Jarvis has gone there, he can come back again to Cleveland.

No, that was his other agent.....Damarious Frodo.

Weak! It was clearly 2nd breakfast.

I think it is very reasonable/easy to see the hypocrisy of media coverage between DW and TH...if for no other reason than fill-in-the-blank abuse was/is all over the coverage of DW. It would be a layup on abuse-coverage to then point out TH's transgression(s). In the end, the media loves to dump on Cleveland and they are gorging on a smorgasbord...again.

I remember more so that the Browns wanted a re-worked one year deal and Jarvis wanted multiple years.

It could just be Jarvis wanting to shake things up. He went from "having a lot of interest" to still not being signed, watching teams sign dudes for big money and all that. He probably wants stuff to get squared away and done.

The Chiefs avoided a $120 mil contract...picked up JuJu and Scantling and now have (2) picks next month in each of the first (4) rounds.

I'd take that.

I can't help but think his agent lost the bluff game. I like Jarvis a lot...he was quite overpaid here but worth every penny...but it was a different time/team and he was a younger player when he got here. I won't be surprised if he comes back - even though I believe we need to get more explosive and that ain't him - if for no other reason than neither side can do better elsewhere than they can with a reunion at this point.

Two players that enter the Jarvis equation.

Schwartz and Felton. Felton showed some playing skill. But currently we are three deep at running back with the tender of D'ernest.

It looks like Felton may be best suited to play slot.

Schwartz has worked out and spent a lot of time with Jarvis. Jarvis is a great mentor.

Half of the reason they drafted Schwartz was speed. The other half smarts.

Maybe Schwartz will show the needed improvement. And the work with Jarvis may payoff.

Now with a new qb the finals in the receiver room will be intersting and important.

I don't see how you can take what we saw last season to realistically project either Schwartz or Felton into any sort of significant contributing role for the offense. Schwartz, in particular, showed more bad than good, IMO.

They were rookies. Not saying they will be good players, but a lot of growth happens to rookies between year one and two.

I could see Schwartz taking a big step this year. He missed most or all of training camp and then had injuries during the year. It was a lost year physically, but he may have learned a lot. He may be the fastest player in the NFL.
It's rose-colored glasses, of course, but maybe DPJ will also take a big step. If they both do, along with Cooper and a decent second-rounder in this deep draft, you could have a nice WR room without Landry.

What we saw is normal for later round devlopmental players.

This year we shall see what improvement they have made.

That is the problem I have with the pick. Day two picks are not supposed to be developmental selections ... No! AB reached here with him, but I can't hold that against him as the Draft has never been an exact science.

I'm late to the party, but I don't like this move for the Dolphins. They gave up quite a bit of draft capital and a ton of money to a WR who is getting up there in age. We have seen the stunning drop-off in performances from other great WRs, such as Julio Jones, AJ Green, Jordy Nelson, etc, etc. I fully understand overpaying for a qb, but a WR? No, I wouldn't do that.

I actually like this deal for KC. No, they won't be able to replace the Cheetah. But, he was going to break the bank and they got a lot in return for him. They have something crazy like two firsts, two seconds, two thirds, and two fourths. Not sure if that is entirely accurate, but it's close. They could package some picks and move up in the draft to get Garret Wilson or even Chris Olave. The latter is very fast and fluid and I think Wilson is going to have an impact similar to what Justin Jefferson did a couple of years ago. Both of these guys are really talented. Another thing.........while I don't follow the draft much anymore, this WR class is crazy stupid in how good and deep it is.

I know. First impulse is "the Chiefs lost Tyreek!" Then I read the details and look at their draft capital and just hang my head.

They also signed JuJu and Scantling in FA.

Yep. Moving Tyreek was a actually a great move in my eyes.

Brilliant move IMO. They got a ton for a player they could no longer afford.

This draft is loaded with top end receivers.

The Chiefs have to manage cap with Mahomes, Kelce and some others. You do that by loading up in the middle rounds with picks.

Guys you can develop cheaply. Hill (who I despise) is really good. And no doubt he had chemistry with Mahomes.

However, Andy Reid IMO one of the best offensive minds in all football will adapt. In fact they may get better. He will spread the ball around more and become balanced.

Hill was moved at the right time and they got full price.

I wondered if we might take a flier on him. Apparently one former first round DL "bust" was enough after signing Taven Bryan.



I'm not sure what the Texans are trying to do with their approach to roster building. I think they have something like 9 receivers under contract at the moment, and this is before the draft and UDFAs. I wonder if Brandin Cooks might be available in trade.

j/c...

What sort of salary cap wizardry have they got going on in LA? How do they keep bringing in expensive vets?

It's pretty easy to create a 2 to 3-year window. Just push everything out until 2024.

It gets a bit harder after that if you're not using the push out to ultimately just create more cap flexibility and carrying over a good bit of unused cap every year to offset the future ballooning salaries.

I suppose worst case you can always do a couple post June 1st designations to plump up the carry over to next year...then the next...so on and so forth.

LA is the home of the “on the hill” athlete signings

j/c...

That trade makes sense for both teams.

Trades between division rivals are rare and not done often ...

Rare and rare.

Not to mention scarce. They hardly ever happen.

They are infrequent. Few and far between.

Patriots have constantly recycled underperforming WRs … seems like a common theme, especially with their WRs on the outside

The Patriots trade within their division more than you think. Hell - that's how they got Bellichek.

I don’t get this trade for the Saints at all.

Possibly to trade up for a QB?

Why not wait until the draft when this deal is probably still on the table and you know who is taken?

They still have a trade to make. The more I think about it two mid round firsts probably isn't enough to move high enough.

j/c...

Either they're positioning for a mega trade closer to the draft to get their QB, or they just really wanted multiple cracks at the first round this year.

Wishfully hoping they wanted the extra first to get mayfield.

If this trade is part of a larger trade up to get a QB then it makes some sense. If not the Saints just got taken to the cleaners.

They gave up a 3rd to turn #18 into #16 and then they bought another 1st using capital from the next two drafts, and they flipped their 7th to a 6th.... that's actually not too terrible.

The real question is why didn't they just hang onto 18 and buy 16?

I read some conjecture on this deal that the Saints needed to get a little extra "talent" this year without elevating their cap # much.

Giving up future firsts is never a good idea if your starting QB is Jameis.

I just don’t understand why they did the trade today. This same trade would still be in the table draft day and they would have a much better idea of who they’d get. It’s a weird time to make this kind of trade.

I won't argue that one bit. It does seem odd, but perhaps they just wanted to nail down their plan now and not leave it to chance?

Seems like they don’t have a plan then. They just traded a ton of future draft capital for a mid first round pick and the uncertainty of that pick.

I do kind of wonder which team approached the other. I can see the Eagles wanting the future capital in case Hurts doesn't work out and they had a ton for this draft. Not sure what the Saints would be looking at. Probably OT and something. Maybe they like one of the QBs and wanted to get in front of Pittsburgh. Does seem a bit premature, though.

I don't think they just made the trade to make the trade. They have a plan.

As someone said, maybe just to acquire more cheap talent due to cap concerns.

Hey, maybe they want Baker. I could see Baker doing well in New Orleans. Maybe Baker and our 2nd for one of the 1sts?

I have a feeling someone is going to make a trade for Baker. He brings less risk over drafting a rookie QB in a rookie QB class that isn't exactly transcending.