HC Search, Part 4 - DawgTalkers.net

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Guys..............I really doubt that a lack of a FB was much of a reason for our inept play this year.

I yi yi yi.

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There were reports that Chud wanted a true FB, and was overruled.

Plus....what reports were those? And you are a friend YTBF. WE go back what....12- 15 years.......it is easy for me to lose track of time.....has to be over 10....I know that.

Most likely Rapport. I believe him or someone else were were reporting about splits within the regime. There was some about cutting a few players, getting a new FB, and moving Scott Turner to be a QB coach. I know these are just rumors, but they're pretty odd and specific rumors. But I don't think we'll hear these rumors get validated because Chud has a gag order and it's not like Banner or Haslam would say anything about this.

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There were reports that Chud wanted a true FB, and was overruled.

Are there real quotes to verify those reports, or more stupid, invalidated, rumors?

I hate when rumors get repeated over and over and over. Eventually, people see them so many times that they regard them as fact.

I heard a rumor that the Aztecs said the world was going to end. Ooopppsss.......that date has come and gone.

It was from one of the beat reporters, shortly after Chud was fired.

Take it for what it's worth ....... but there was smoke .....

So, it's true? LOL

Oh...........and this is about a FB?

But, we want to ignore how our guys laid down at the end of the year and played w/out heart and proved to be losers.

Nah.........that had nothing to do w/our failures. It was that we didn't get a FB.

Okie dokie.

jc.

so...another 2 weeks til we get our guy?

It's one example of the front office and the coach not being on the same page, despite what Banner has said about it.

I posted the article shortly after Chud was fired. I'll let you go look for it. Even if I post it again, you'll castigate the writer, source, publication, and anything else you can find to try to refute.

You have chosen to believe that anything that the great and powerful banner says is true and honest 100% of the time. I disagree. I gave him a chance, and my support, until he proved unworthy of that support. I argued that we should give him our support until he proved undeserving of that support. IMHO, that tipping point has been reached. You disagree. That's cool. You're wrong .... but that's your right.

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You mean another 2 weeks till we maybe get our 3rd or 4th pick ?

I wouldn't rule out McDaniels, just like I wouldn't rule out anyone else we've interviewed (except maybe Bowels who's taken his name out). Now, McDaniels took his name out, too, but there's enough smoke out there to suggest he may still be in the running.

But I wouldn't blame our FO if they truly want to talk with Gase, if only to make sure they talk to everyone they want to to talk to. Let's face it, the guys who have been hired so far have already filled out a lot of their staff, at least for the big ones (OC and DC).

So us waiting a couple more weeks shouldn't "hurt."

I'm to the point, like everyone else, that I don't want it done quickly. I want it done correctly.

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You have chosen to believe that anything that the great and powerful banner says is true and honest 100% of the time. I disagree. I gave him a chance, and my support, until he proved unworthy of that support. I argued that we should give him our support until he proved undeserving of that support. IMHO, that tipping point has been reached. You disagree. That's cool. You're wrong .... but that's your right. lol

That is BS!

I have said repeatedly that I do not believe in the FO, but am willing to give them a chance.

Willing to give them a chance translates into me thinking that Banner is great, powerful, and never lies?

And yeah..........I am wrong.......again. Just like I have been so many times, right YTown?

Allow me to do a chant.................Bran-don Wee-don. Bran-don Wee-don. LOL

Btw------------your stupid article was pure speculation and there were no facts. Deny that.

Vers believe it or not I am still willing to give the front office a chance. HOWEVER they have to prove me wrong instead of proving me right, and their time table got moved up a year or two after firing Chud. I was 100 percent against Banner and Lombardi when we hired them BUT I still felt like they needed a chance just like I have been with everybody we have hired since 1999.

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Vers believe it or not I am still willing to give the front office a chance. HOWEVER they have to prove me wrong instead of proving me right, and their time table got moved up a year or two after firing Chud. I was 100 percent against Banner and Lombardi when we hired them BUT I still felt like they needed a chance just like I have been with everybody we have hired since 1999.

Same sentiments as mine, DC... but I've only given them this next year to show me something- anything- that I can hang my hopes upon. It's going to require strong coaching hires, a coherent 'state of the team' statement, and a strong draft/FA season to pull me back from the ledge. So far- I'm still hangin'.... but the view is making me queasy.

I won't lie: this latest nutpunch has left me sucking wind... and I thought I'd always be down for this team.

I'm still giving them a chance, too... but their recent decision(s) have left me looking at them with a jaundiced eye. I hate that they've (again) done this to me/us, but I currently exist where they've left me.

I'm sorry, but I really don't see too many Good Times ahead for the Browns.... at least, not until 2016 or beyond.

That really might be too long to wait with any real passion. If it takes that long, I'm almost certain to watch them with the same level of interest that I watch this year's Seahawks (my 1976 'adopted' team....).

Since '99, this team's biggest problem has always been leadership at the top.

To date, I've seen nothing from this bunch to make me believe that Browns Fans are in any better hands than we've been in since Pluto started doing research for his 'False Start' book.

I'm done with 'blind faith.'
I'm over it.

Show me that you have a plan. Show me that you know what you're doing. Show me that we're in good hands.

Show me by the next 6 (important) decisions you make.

I'll know it, if I see it.
Lord knows I've seen everything else already.

I know the feeling Clem. I still remember watching the Browns win in 1964 and I have been waiting ever since to see them win again. I will never give up on the Browns but I will give up on the front office or coaching staff when they have proved that they don't deserve my respect bro.

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You mean another 2 weeks till we maybe get our 3rd or 4th pick ?

Who were our first 2 picks?

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I read Browns interview(ed) Jim Tomsula. This guy spent a lot of time in NFL Europe:
Defensive Coordinator: England Monarchs; Berlin Thunder; Scottish Claymores.
Head Coach: Rhein Fire

If Quinn is hired as HC, Jim could be a nice DC. He is pretty bright 3-4 guy. Saints interviewed him last year for their DC job.

If all they did was hire the local boy to ease the transition, if that REALLY their thinking, they I think even less of them than I did LOL

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I read Browns interview(ed) Jim Tomsula. This guy spent a lot of time in NFL Europe:
Defensive Coordinator: England Monarchs; Berlin Thunder; Scottish Claymores.
Head Coach: Rhein Fire

If Quinn is hired as HC, Jim could be a nice DC. He is pretty bright 3-4 guy. Saints interviewed him last year for their DC job.

I keep wondering about Wade Phillips as well.... it could be titans north with Kubiak at OC and Phillips as DC.
I think there is a better chance of keeping the 34 with Petine sp? then hiring Quinn though.

Please, please, please ...if Quinn or Pettine are the guy....please bring Tomsula as DC.

I have a feeling the players will run through a wall for that guy. His enthusiasm is infectious. We need that so badly.

I even like him as HC possibility.

And I hope so much Gase just decides not to interview at all. Something tells me that the FO can't get out of their own way when it comes to this guy. Haslam needs to put on his big boy pants and ignore his buddy Peyton on this one.

Drop Gase. Today.

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Drop Gase. Today.

Dude...It's the other way around.

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Drop Gase. Today.

Why? Is it because of something he lacks or simply because he won't interview until after the SB? I don't think the non interview deal is good enough reason to limit your candidate search.

In reading the board, it seems to me people are getting impatient and simply want a coach hired. I couldn't tell you if Gase is worth waiting for or not, but if the Browns do, then I think we wait.

I will add that I hope the reports that he at least has some interst are true. I think it would be poor form on his part if after the SB he said he wasn't interested or just went through the process in a half assed manner with no intent of leaving.

Another few weeks isn't going to handicap us to any measurable degree.

Peen not going to get into the validity of this or not. But the OG stuff LB stuff maybe for short yardage - Goal line stuff.

But if Chud asked this it was probably at a point where we had to utilize a power running game and not depend on Weeden or Campbell. So he wanted a snot bubble good blocking FB like a Vickers type...not a weapon for the passing game...a lead blocker with more speed than an OG to get to the outside as well as Inside run Game.

Jmho

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In reading the board, it seems to me people are getting impatient and simply want a coach hired. I couldn't tell you if Gase is worth waiting for or not, but if the Browns do, then I think we wait.

I tend to agree with that.. if you are hiring a coach, paying him millions of dollars to lead your team for the next 10 years, you don't hire a guy because you are impatient.. I know it's easy to blast the current FO for making what they consider the wrong choice once... but if this really is going to be "THE guy" for the future, then get the right guy... even if it means waiting..

And I agree completely that it would be poor form if after the super bowl he announces that he's staying in Denver or has no interest because I have to believe that the Browns have made their intentions known if he's the guy they are waiting for...

Adam Gase has pulled his name out of the Browns head coach running.

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So I guess if the Browns continue to move slowly we will know, almost 100% certain, that Quinn is the target.. .

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So I guess if the Browns continue to move slowly we will know, almost 100% certain, that Quinn is the target.. .

That would be my guess as well. He is the only candidate the we have interviewed/showed interest in/not backed out that is still in the playoffs.

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Adam Gase has pulled his name out of the Browns head coach running.

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Good, didn't really like him much anyway.

Can we just sign Munchak please?

While I think this is a blessing in disguise, this is now the 3rd candidate that has withdrawn consideration as the Browns HC. So much for the Manning and Haslam connection. Looks like it's the Quinn show now??

Gase Declines Interview

Denver Post: This was Haslam's Guy

Remember that thing about being patient? Uh yeah. . .

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A Browns official said this morning CLEV will not wait around to hire Broncos OC Adam Gase.

Well I am actually relieved as I just don't think he is ready to be a HC. I like both Quinn and Pettine, so hopefully they are the front runners now.

Why is that after nearly every candidate that withdraws from consideration, i.e., Chip Kelly, McDaniels and Gase the Browns immediately send out a press report to the affect of them never really being interesting in the guy? Makes it sound like they are a jilted lover.

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Adam Gase has pulled his name out of the Browns head coach running.

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Oh boy, I wonder how many the-sky-is-falling post we will see? I see Kenny Roda is already beating the drum. Regardless, if it was Gase or Quinn, guess what, fans will still need to wait until after the Super Bowl.

Gase is a bit green, so this could be a blessing.

It appears the list now is down to two Quinn and Pettine. I haven't hear much on Tomsula, but he could still be in the race too.

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Adam Gase has pulled his name out of the Browns head coach running.

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Just saw that. At least now we can quit waiting for him and look at the guys we have interviewed.

I think I want Pettine, though I do like Dan Quinn.

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Well I am actually relieved as I just don't think he is ready to be a HC. I like both Quinn and Pettine, so hopefully they are the front runners now.

Ditto. IF they really are the front runners now. But I'm feeling them more than anyone else that's been mentioned.

Snuggle that security blanket good before it retires, Gase.

Bring in Quinn or Pettine. They both seem like leaders. Something this franchise has sorely lacked since '99.

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Bring in Quinn or Pettine. They both seem like leaders. Something this franchise has sorely lacked since '99.

A coach with attitude, heart and fire in his belly. Certainly would be a change. Butch was fairly close.

I like either guy. Quinn may have an experience edge.

Am I missing something or why haven't we interviewed Greg Roman, the OC for the 49ers??? His physical style would be welcomed in the AFCN if you ask me. He is also used to gameplanning with a mobile QB which would help since there are already reports that we want Johnny Football as our next QB. Makes total sense to me. I'd much rather have an offensive minded coach than a defensive minded coach.

I feel like I've heard plenty of media types wondering why we don't contact Roman. Or should I say why they haven't HEARD that we've contacted him.

I think I heard that Shefter guy on ESPN say to expect to hear about it happening. I said I THINK . . .

Maybe they haven't contacted Roman because he doesn't have a bald head and goatee?

Pettine

Quinn

So I could be the next coach? YES!!!!!! Now get me a FB.

I'm bald but no goatee. Damn!

Wow, Pettine looks like a tough SOB. I'd like to see his patented sideline scowl.

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I think I want Pettine, though I do like Dan Quinn.

I would be happy with either of them.... I would love to have a bad ass defense...

Look at Seattle... They are winning with tough D and a good running game and a decent QB... I'm not sure I'm all about 400 yard passing games.... just a tough nose attitude works for me.

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Remember that thing about being patient? Uh yeah. . .

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A Browns official said this morning CLEV will not wait around to hire Broncos OC Adam Gase.

Yep. I still don't necessarily think that Gase was their preferred candidate. I'm not sure that any candidate is their preferred candidate. They simply wanted to interview the possible candidates.

To me, this speaks more about Gase than about the Browns.

I wonder if, internally within the Broncos organization, that Manning has said that he's going to stick around for another year.

I could also be a candidate. Rumor has it that Haslam was quoted as saying "Candidly, we prefer a head coach who does not waste hormones on hair.". True story, swear to gosh.

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Yep. I still don't necessarily think that Gase was their preferred candidate. I'm not sure that any candidate is their preferred candidate. They simply wanted to interview the possible candidates.

To me, this speaks more about Gase than about the Browns.

I wonder if, internally within the Broncos organization, that Manning has said that he's going to stick around for another year.

Right, I'm not buying they had a #1 target and therefore, look bad because they didn't land that person. I'm wondering if they wanted to interview a long list of people and were willing to lose a few candidates to other jobs to get all the name on their list.

Is Munchak officially off the table as far as we know? I heard he was interviewing for an OL coach gig somehwere.

So....Quinn, Pettine, Roman and?

Do any of the deep, dark conspiracy theorists on here have a feeling that this entire deal could be a Banner smokescreen?

The guy is good. The way he slithered Lombardi in, despite the Brown's fanbase being almost entirely in flames over it was very slick.

I'm still thinking that we could be getting "played" and Josh McNuggets is still, and always has been, the man.

Just a feeling.

So you think his plan was to get a guy most people don't want and get us laughed at even harder by the media during the whole hiring process?

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So you think his plan was to get a guy most people don't want and get us laughed at even harder by the media during the whole hiring process?

I think Banner doesn't give a d&%#n what we want.

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Remember that thing about being patient? Uh yeah. . .

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A Browns official said this morning CLEV will not wait around to hire Broncos OC Adam Gase.

so we can assume that Quinn is out of the picture too??? Or is this BS for us dumb fans that cannot put 2 + 2 together...

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I really haven't been following this thread, so forgive me if this seems repeated ...

But I have a feeling Gase was clearly Haslam's top target ... and now he's been spurned yet again (second straight year ... strike two).

I also have a feeling Haslam must be growing wary of his front office and this franchise as a whole. Quick question Jimmy: would you still buy this team a year later? And if so, would you do things the exact same way that you did since last August?

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And if so, would you do things the exact same way that you did since last August?

Obviously not as he already fired the coach.

Since Rex brought it up, I'll ask here.. why was Rob Ryan not on anybody's list this year to even get an interview? This might have been his best year yet as a DC... He's had some success, at least as much as some of the other coordinators that are getting phone calls... Seriously how much of it could be the hair? Most owners want a businesslike professional guy on the sidelines and that's not Rob Ryan... so what is keeping him from getting a sniff as a HC?

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Since Rex brought it up, I'll ask here.. why was Rob Ryan not on anybody's list this year to even get an interview? This might have been his best year yet as a DC... He's had some success, at least as much as some of the other coordinators that are getting phone calls... Seriously how much of it could be the hair? Most owners want a businesslike professional guy on the sidelines and that's not Rob Ryan... so what is keeping him from getting a sniff as a HC?

Three reasons...Fired...Fired and Fired agan. Plus......His defenses are constantly in the top 5 of the league in points allowed. His previous teams have had better defensive numbers now then when Rob Ryan was their DC. Ryan is well known for giving up huge leads in games by going into prevent defense early in the third qtr.

He's highly over rated as a DC IMO let alone a HC canidate. His defensive numbers alone should keep him out of the NFL. But his name keeps him in.

And besides, even if he's the right and perfect HC for Cleveland, which I beleive he isn't, he'd flat out decline that offer anyways.

Maybe Rex should offer him his job rather then pawning his brother off on others first.

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Since Rex brought it up, I'll ask here.. why was Rob Ryan not on anybody's list this year to even get an interview? This might have been his best year yet as a DC... He's had some success, at least as much as some of the other coordinators that are getting phone calls... Seriously how much of it could be the hair? Most owners want a businesslike professional guy on the sidelines and that's not Rob Ryan... so what is keeping him from getting a sniff as a HC?

I don't think it would hurt for us to interview Rob Ryan, provided of course Jimmy, Joe nor Mike ask Rob to get a haircut... which is a very silly and petty reason to not hire a head coaching candidate. Rob did a good job for us when he was here as our DC, and I believe he has what it takes to be a head coach. He's not as crazy as Rex, right?

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While I think this is a blessing in disguise, this is now the 3rd candidate that has withdrawn consideration as the Browns HC. So much for the Manning and Haslam connection. Looks like it's the Quinn show now??

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Denver Post: This was Haslam's Guy

We have 6 pro bowlers and we still don't have people who want to entertain getting a job here.

I just wonder what took Gase so long to decide he didn't want to come here, or if he just was really thinking and decided he has a pretty good thing going where he is.

I'm to the point that I don't care. Just get us a good QB for God's sake.

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While I think this is a blessing in disguise, this is now the 3rd candidate that has withdrawn consideration as the Browns HC. So much for the Manning and Haslam connection. Looks like it's the Quinn show now??

Gase Declines Interview

Denver Post: This was Haslam's Guy

We have 6 pro bowlers and we still don't have people who want to entertain getting a job here.

Almost makes you wonder, doesn't it? Maybe the "look at me, firing the head coach after one year so everyone knows I'm serious about winning and it will make me look good" crap is biting Jimmy in the rump roast, eh?

What's the tally on the coaches that have said "thanks, but no thanks."?

Yup, the 3 stooges will, without a doubt, get their guy.......the one they were gunning for all along, right?

If I'm not mistaken, every team that was looking for a head coach has already gotten one.......yet here we sit, watching coaches say "thanks, but no thanks."

Jimmy, Joe, and Mike might be .......wondering about their leadership right about now. Won't be long til we see another "letter to the fans" assuring us that the 8th, 9th, 10th choice was who they were really after anyway.

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The media is reporting that Gase was Haslam's guy all along?

Have the two even met? Gase has not even been interviewed once, but he WAS Haslam's guy all along?

I'm not buying it.

Haslam is close with Peyton Manning. Presumably that is why Haslam wanted Gase.

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Have the two even met? Gase has not even been interviewed once, but he WAS Haslam's guy all along?

I thought I saw somewhere where they met January 1st or 2nd to see if there was any intrest.I could be wrong

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The media is reporting that Gase was Haslam's guy all along?

Have the two even met? Gase has not even been interviewed once, but he WAS Haslam's guy all along?

I'm not buying it.

cfrs already said it, but Haslam is good friends with Peyton Manning (both are Tenn. alumni and Haslam is a huge Tennesee football junkie), and reportedly Manning recommended Gase to him.

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Haslam is close with Peyton Manning. Presumably that is why Haslam wanted to interview Gase.

Fixed it for you.

I just want to state that I really like Dan Quinn (as long as he sticks with Seattles philosophies) and what he could bring to the team. However you're right Arch.

We have 5 All-Pro players, 6 Pro-Bowlers, 10 draft picks (including 2 1sts, one in the top 5, and 2 3rds). The 3rd most cap space in football and the 2nd youngest team in football.

Yet nobody wants to coach us. That says something Jimmy.

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We have 5 All-Pro players, 6 Pro-Bowlers, 10 draft picks (including 2 1sts, one in the top 5, and 2 3rds). The 3rd most cap space in football and the 2nd youngest team in football.

Yet nobody wants to coach us. That says something Jimmy.

All that still doesn't give guys a feeling of SECURITY.

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so...another 2 weeks til we get our guy?

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2 weeks until we settle and put a body in the position until we can try again next year?

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Source tells @FOXSports that #Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter will interview for @browns head coaching job

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Alex Marvez Twitter

Source tells @FOXSports that #Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter will interview for @browns head coaching job

To go along with that:

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Jim Tomsula RT @MaioccoCSN: Jim Harbaugh said he’s had conversations with Browns about some 49ers assistant coaches.He didn’t get specific.

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Source tells @FOXSports that #Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter will interview for @browns head coaching job

In with first Horseshack reference.

Can we call our OLine the SweatHogs?

What happened to Haslams statement of ... " bringing in a proven Winner " ?

I don't like anyone anymore...this way we can hire somebody.

All I know is this does not look good at this moment cause we are the only one waiting as the others are putting their staff together we will be behind and who knows who will be available.

Usually people who state they are dropping out of the mix have gotten word (probably through his agent) that he is not our first choice in this wait...Usually, who really knows with this predicament.

We are talking Quinn and a real outside shot at Del Rio...if not those two then why have we not hired the guy. If we end up hiring one of these others we have already interviewed it would be so Obvious that they were not our first choice and maybe not even the 2nd choice. Gee I wonder where I heard that...and early article how Chud was not their first choice and maybe not even their 2nd choice but the FO thinks that they hit pay dirt...man I'm trying so hard to get behind them as if they actually know what they are doing.

But right now its either the biggest buffoons ever and the most brilliant ones ever....not much grey area between.

Oh one thing on the dropping out - we all know prospective HC candidates have a wish list of Asst coaches especially at OC n DC...it possibly could be the case that everyone on his list got hired already or are still on contract. So he pulled out???

JMHO and ???

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I love how the media is stating Gase was THE guy. Really? Has any one of these guys interviewed Haslam/Banner/Lombardi? To me, it sounds like an agent spinning it to make their guy look good.

Gase's or Quinn's resume is pretty thin. You have to wonder if either of these guys are it. Mike Pettine Jr. has twelve years NFL experience. He coached under Rex Ryan in Baltimore, and followed Rex to New York. Last year took the Buffalo DC job.

Good Story!

Bills’ Pettine blazes different trail than his famous coaching father

I have no problem with them waiting until after the SB if that's what it takes. I don't want a coach just so we can say we got one, I want the right one, if it takes a couple more weeks, so be it.

Clem...very much on the same wave length as you...All I want now is a direction so I can get back to rooting for my Browns. And stick with it for ONCE!

More important is the Players...most of these kids have known no other team than the Browns but they have gone through a lot in their 3-4 years. with us. Right now with NO DIRECTION the peeps in charge are looking like fools to them. It will fester the longer they wait and their fraternity of players ask them - what up with your team. All they can do is shrug their shoulders and roll their eyes. Yes once the new guys get here if they are dynamic leaders they can get them all on board and gung ho by training camp.

But what about Ward and Mack? And if they go 2 out of the 6 young Pro Bowlers - this will only make the FO look even more foolish. A team waiting to grow young Pro - Bowlers from the draft and then lose 2 of them with the largest Cap Room in the NFL..... Stooges, Buffoons, Idiots...whats in a name I know some get upset when it is used but really it looks like they don't know what they are doing. The fire right now looks worse than ever as almost our entire staff has been hired cause they are Dang Good teachers of football.

What do we got here...Tabor

wait maybe he'll become our HC Please wake me up when this night mare is over!

yeah, the more I research Pettine, the more I like him.

and, he might even bring Mike Bloomgren with him! (current OC of Stanford, they coached together w/ Jets)

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Head Coach-Dan Quinn
Defensive Coordinator- Jim Tomsula (current SF Defensive line coach)
Offensive Coordinator- Gary Kubiak (former Texans HC)

This is my wishful thinking at this stage.....

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I don't know if anybody has posted this, if so I apologize. Pettine is having his second interview with us tonight, I believe. If he is to be our HC, I expect we'll know Wednesday or Thursday. If no announcement of Pettine, then Quinn seems to be the target and we'll have to wait 2 weeks or so...

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I don't know if anybody has posted this, if so I apologize. Pettine is having his second interview with us tonight, I believe. If he is to be our HC, I expect we'll know Wednesday or Thursday. If no announcement of Pettine, then Quinn seems to be the target and we'll have to wait 2 weeks or so...

We can also interview Quinn this week as well for a 2nd time if I'm not mistaken. If we like him enough the sources will come out of the woodwork saying it hire will happen just like it did with Romeo Crennel.

These back room handshakes will always happen but won't be "official" until later.

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I really haven't been following this thread, so forgive me if this seems repeated ...

But I have a feeling Gase was clearly Haslam's top target ... and now he's been spurned yet again (second straight year ... strike two).

I also have a feeling Haslam must be growing wary of his front office and this franchise as a whole. Quick question Jimmy: would you still buy this team a year later? And if so, would you do things the exact same way that you did since last August?

Knowing what he knows now? Yeah, he'd buy it, ego plays a big part, but he'd not hire Chud of course. Not sure who he would have hired, but certainly not chud.

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Head Coach-Dan Quinn
Defensive Coordinator- Jim Tomsula (current SF Defensive line coach)
Offensive Coordinator- Gary Kubiak (former Texans HC)

This is my wishful thinking at this stage.....

my current hopes:

HC: Pettine
OC: Bloomgren (current Stanford OC)
DC: Dunbar (current Jets DL - also, was Vikings DL when that was the strongest DL in the NFL)

also: Jeff Hafley & Anthony Weaver - have heard really good things about them and both have solid resume (but lacking years). Would like to bring them along, but not sure he'd be ready for a bigtime role. Perhaps DB & DL coach?

Whether or not we get solid coordinators this year, to me, is moot as long as we get the guy that will be our head coach for the next 7+ years.

If the guy we hire can become THE GUY, then he'll set in stone systems and philosophies, and then whether we get them this year, or next, or the one after, we will find the coordinators that can buy into and execute those ideas.

The important thing is to pick a freaking direction and stick with it - for once ..... it's the ONLY approach we haven't tried as an organization.

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I never recall any NFL HC vacancy where three of the highly publicized candidates announced they weren't interested.

Can't say I'm surprised though .But I know we'll keep hearing BS excuses about it.

uh....wow thats an excellent point.

i don't remember other teams having that many people withdraw their name from consideration.

It's also been a pretty non-traditional process in that they're not just going with the first guy they like that agrees to do it, instead making sure they get to complete the interview process with all the candidates they want to interview.

Time will tell if it's a good strategy or not.

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It's also been a pretty non-traditional process in that they're not just going with the first guy they like that agrees to do it, instead making sure they get to complete the interview process with all the candidates they want to interview.

Time will tell if it's a good strategy or not.

Yes, the "second time" will tell. This is their second swing in a year.

I just don't buy into it that they fired Chud so quickly without having some kind of plan in place.

I think that plan "withdrew" somewhere along the line.

What I don't get is this .......

Haslam and Manning are supposed to be good friends.

You can bet that Gase talked to Manning about Haslam at some point. (supposition on my part, but logical)

Did Manning try to dissuade Gase from coming here? Is the Haslam relationship with Manning overrated? I mean, if i was friends with a team owner, and friends with a coordinator, and there was any level of mutual interest for a head coaching position, then I would talk each up to the other. I think that most people would. That is the one aspect of this that really confuses me.

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Didn't Haslam say they were going to interview as many as possible, but that did not mean that everyone was going to be considered? Some would be regarded as maybe future OC/DC and such? I think Gase just got cold feet and knows he's not ready. Otherwise like you Ytown, I think Manning would deliver him to Jimmy on a platter. It's really a good thing, Young kid just needs some time. I think Jimmy has his mind set on Quinn, we just need to wait.

GM and Clem. You know I love both of you guys.

Let me ask you a question. No BS.

You both say that you will give them this year. That's it. We already know that no matter what, most posters on here are going to bad-mouth whatever coach we hire, even if we could bring Paul Brown from the grave..........they are going to hate the hire. Couple that w/the possibility of us not winning many games next year. Heck, throw in the draft. Most will say every choice we make is stupid.........no matter who we pick. I see many posters setting themselves up to say exactly that already.

Now.........you both leave the team. I hope to God you don't as I really do love you both.....but you leave the team. Let's say the Browns start winning after that.

What will you do? Swallow your pride and come back, or hold a lifetime grudge and not enjoy what you have wished for since you were a lil pup?

I liked Gase's game plans, potential, and the backing he had from other bright minds in the game. Not sure if he could have been a good HC, but I liked the guy.

I like Quinn and Pettine. I still like Malzahn.

I do have to say......and this is pretty stupid..........but, I love the looks of Pettine and Quinn. Especially Pettine. He looks like he could rip the head off of Tomlin and poop down his throat.

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So I could be the next coach? YES!!!!!! Now get me a FB.

I have that look myself, but screw a useless fullback. I'll put a player back there who demands attention other than drawing people to the ball,

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The media is reporting that Gase was Haslam's guy all along?

Have the two even met? Gase has not even been interviewed once, but he WAS Haslam's guy all along?

I'm not buying it.

Neither am I, but if you listen to talking heads on the radio or TV, they're back into suffering from the 'Woe is me' Syndrome.

I'm not convinced that Gase was ever a high consideration. Just mentioning his name seemed to evoke the media to declare him the #1 candidate du jour. The first #1 candidate du jour was Josh McDaniels.

I'll only say this much, I'll listen to someone that was actually in the room trying to make decisions about who to hire before I take the word of someone nincompoop trying to sell a story or run up website hits or followers on twitter.

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The media is reporting that Gase was Haslam's guy all along?

Have the two even met? Gase has not even been interviewed once, but he WAS Haslam's guy all along?

I'm not buying it.

Neither am I, but if you listen to talking heads on the radio or TV, they're back into suffering from the 'Woe is me' Syndrome.

I'm not convinced that Gase was ever a high consideration. Just mentioning his name seemed to evoke the media to declare him the #1 candidate du jour. The first #1 candidate du jour was Josh McDaniels.

I'll only say this much, I'll listen to someone that was actually in the room trying to make decisions about who to hire before I take the word of someone nincompoop trying to sell a story or run up website hits or followers on twitter.

I agree 100%. Why some fans believe every spin from the media is mind numbing.

I forgot who twitted/blogged. He wrote something to the fact he can't wait to hear the FO spin after they failed to sign their first consideration Gase! Huh! Didn't Haslam stated in his presser they will not talk to anyone regarding their plans. Yet, fans believe this writer and start building gallows to hang these FO guys.

I'm not totally sold on the FO, but come on chase everything the media preaches! smh!

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I never recall any NFL HC vacancy where three of the highly publicized candidates announced they weren't interested.

Can't say I'm surprised though .But I know we'll keep hearing BS excuses about it.

I just heard somewhere (I think Mary Kay Cabot) that Gase called Haslam today to withdraw his name from the search. Who are the other two that have withdrawn from contention?

Maybe the word is out there that this isn't a good place to come? In the case of Gase, I'm not sure I'd come here. He's got Manning for at least another year I'd think.. Maybe more and a shot at getting to another Superbowl next season.. I think I'd stay put..

jc

If a guy has doubts or lacks the confidence or cajones to be a HC because we fired a guy after one year or our fans and media are big bogy men to scared of then I don't want him anyway.

He might have been great, he might have been a bust... if he doesn't want it... that's cool... time to move on... I don't care if he was first second or 50th choice.... if his heart aint in it then stay were you are.

I don't think anyone should believe everything from the media either but it is hard to dispute that 3 guys have bowed out of the picture. Has that ever happened before, anywhere? It isn't just a few local reporters writing these articles either, rather I don't remember reading a positive one since this whole fiasco started.

The whole Gase being the top choice may be just complete guess work, I'm not sure, but I do think there is no doubt that a negative vibe is in the air around Cleveland.

I think it is just as ridiculous to dismiss all of the media as it is to believe all of them.
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like Quinn and Pettine. I still like Malzahn.

Im OK with Quinn or Malzahn, but Pettine!? really? that guy is a bum!

Vers, The Browns put up 37 points on Pettines D and our Offense was horrid this year....and we put up those 37 points with a god awful QB named Weeden. Pettine had trouble stopping Brandon Weeden of all people...onthat alone I want no part of Pettine, and thankfully I don't think our FO does either.

I think Quinn is the target, and has been all along...just the FO has been trying to play it close to vest.

Barring a disaster, or Quinn backing out, I think Quinn will be our next Head Coach, IMO the only way Pettine gets the job is if Quin and Malzahn back out....right now Quinn is the top choice, with Malzahn a close 2nd....Pettine will only get the job if the other two don't want it....if we get stuck with Pettine...were in trouble....

Bowles and McD.

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Bowles and McD.

Wow, Forgot all about McD..LOL and now that you mention it, I do remember Bowles backing out.

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I think it is just as ridiculous to dismiss all of the media as it is to believe all of them.

jmo.

Why would it be ridiculous to dismiss the media stories? They're only trying to be sensational and drive the story.

They may actually be having stories about why Chudzinski wasn't fire if they had kept him.

I still think that they may have fire Chudzinski because they had to so that they could get rid of the coordinators.

Honestly, I am more concerned about the candidates that have turned us down....

Josh McDaniels said "thanks but no thanks" and him pulling out because he wasnt "The front runner" is just BS....a guy applies for job, has an interview, and then waits to see if he gets called and hired...McDaniels turned down the job because he found out what kind of idiot Banner is...

he may be friends with Lombardi, but just because your friends with a guy don't mean you can work with him. My best friend in this world (we have been like brothers since the 4th grade), I couldn't work with him though, he is way too laid back and likes to "dilly dally" I am "petal to the metal" get the job done now, and get it done right as soon as possible kinda guy" its two personalities that would clash, we are like brothers, but we won't work together. So as i said, just because Lombardi and McDaniels are friends don't mean they could work well together.

Todd Bowles - This guy was a legit candidate, in fact he was probably a better candidate then McDaniels....he may have been the top candidate...the guy has 20 years experience in NFL Coaching, He played in the NFL, This was his 1st legit shot to get a HC job in the NFL, and he pulled out....again he didn't pull out because he "wasn't the top guy" again thats BS, typical Haslam paid Cleveland Media spin (I wonder how much Jimmy is paying the Plain Dealer and MKC). Its most likely Bowles after the interview with Lombardi and Banner seen how much of morons they were and said...nope, no thanks.

Adam Gase - Now when Gase backs out, that tells you something right there, and he didn't even interview...sounds to me word is getting around that Banner and Lombardi (mostly Banner) is not a good guy to work for...Banner has a bad rap in this league...there is a reason The Eagles owner got rid of him....there is a reason Andy Reid and Banner never got along....So Gase is strike 3.

Look there are only 32 HC jobs in the NFL, if you have never been a HC before, any opportunity that opens itsself to you is an opportunity you will jump at if you want to be a head coach....you may never get another oportunity...the fact that 3 guys have told us "thanks but no thanks" tells me something is wrong big time...1 guy bowing out, fine, 2 guys...maybe but not a big deal, 3 guys? we got a problem....

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdo...45671--nfl.html

There is a good article for you,. read the comments and see what the perception is from fans and casual people outside of Cleveland...its not good....

IMO, we won't get a quality coach or top FA's to come here and fix this mess until Banner and Lombardi are gone out of the FO.... Banner wants too much control over the roster, and Lombardi is a GM in name only, he is really just the head of scouting and has no say over roster authority....good luck getting a quality coach to come here when Banner has a huge say over the roster....its just not going to happen.

The latest from Grossi:

@TonyGrossi Hearing #Browns may pop the question to Mike Pettine tonight.

There is no doubt that reporters embellish stories to sell them but, the adage where there is smoke.... kinda rings true and I have a feeling some of these reporters have reputable connections telling them "feelings from other coaches or whatnot".
Like I said they are probably exaggerated but not completely false.

Saying I hope Grossi is right leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but I hope Grossi is right.

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I wonder if anyone has even considered that we may have told them we were no longer interested rather than them backing out?

Not saying that is true, but is it a possibility? More likely? Less likely?

jb52, grant it there are some members of the media who are worth a read but numbers are small. Media is all about attracting attention. More people who read their stuff the bigger they get. There was a code about reputable reporting. Today that it is all out the door. Media can report anything with little or no facts. Love it when fans will call these guys on the carpet.

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The latest from Grossi:

@TonyGrossi Hearing #Browns may pop the question to Mike Pettine tonight.

We'll have to see. If it doesn't happen, Grossi can say '#Browns MAY pop the question...'

Man, that's a bucket full of Assumptions.

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The latest from Grossi:

@TonyGrossi Hearing #Browns may pop the question to Mike Pettine tonight.

I really dont care who they hire, but if it's Pettine, a day after Gase withdrew....well, legt's just say it sure wasn't their first Choice...again. I really dont care about that either, as they at least made sure to have backup Plans, but it is somewhat discomforting that they can't execute what they want....for whatever reason (FO? QB? Power structure? PR?)

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There is no doubt that reporters embellish stories to sell them but, the adage where there is smoke.... kinda rings true and I have a feeling some of these reporters have reputable connections telling them "feelings from other coaches or whatnot".
Like I said they are probably exaggerated but not completely false.

If the adage held true, we'd have McDaniels, Gase or any of the other candidates as the HC already and this would be a 'Woohoo! (insert name here) is the Browns new HC!' thread.

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I wonder if anyone has even considered that we may have told them we were no longer interested rather than them backing out?

Not saying that is true, but is it a possibility? More likely? Less likely?

Well that's the reason they gave for backing out. But that's usually not what happens when someone is no longer considered, they just get dropped off the list and no longer talked about. Something just doesn't sit right with the past two years and how Haslam and Co. have found a coach, maybe it's because they're being extremely tight lip about it, but it just doesn't feel right.

Perhaps Gase withdrew his name because the Browns told him that Pettine was their guy?

Possibility?

Nah.............we have the Three Stooges. They are always wrong. There is absolutely no hope. Man, it's been one entire year and they haven't won yet. They have to be failures. No way can they compare w/the previous regime who turned everything around in one short year.

They should be burned at the stake. Bring back The Big Show, the Drunk, and Passive Pat. Let Junior buy the team back. They were such proven winners. The new guys can't hold a candle to the past regime.

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I wonder if anyone has even considered that we may have told them we were no longer interested rather than them backing out?

Not saying that is true, but is it a possibility? More likely? Less likely?

Perhaps, but why would you tell a guy like McDaniels that? Sure McDaniels had a bad stint in Denver, but he redeemed himself in NE and Bellichik wasn't all that great his 1st time around here in Cleveland either(Gase was a McDaniles understudy)...I bet McDaniels learned a lot from that disaster in Denver, and the next HC gig he takes, i bet he does well.

As for Bowles, why wouldn't you hire this guy? Bowles is a "firey competitor" he played in this league, he gains instant credibility in the lockeroom day one. The units he has coached have always done very well, and he has climbed the ranks, he was interim head coach for the Dolphins in 2011, and Assistant Head Coach as well. Bowles comes highly recommended from some of the top coaches in the league...why wouldnt you hire a guy like him if you had the chance?

As for Gase, the fact he wouldn't even interview is troubling....He may never get another chance to be a HC..the world is a crazy place...one minute your the best thing since sliced bread, the next minute your forgotten...see Russ Grimm...he was the biggest rising stat future HC in the NFL a few years ago, and now no one remembers him.

I think its doubtful those guys were told they were not interested, I think those guys caught wind of something they didn't like...most likely Banner....perhaps they didn't like the idea of Banner having so much control over the roster...perhaps they were not willing to concede the property authority that comes with being a HC everywhere else but here. Whatever happened, something in these interviews turned these guys away...if I was betting man, I would say its Banner....

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I wonder if anyone has even considered that we may have told them we were no longer interested rather than them backing out?

Not saying that is true, but is it a possibility? More likely? Less likely?

It could be a little bit of both. Gase said that he wouldn't interview until after the SB and then heard that Pettine was getting a 2nd interview and it might have dawned on him that he may be a secondary or tertiary choice and not the primary choice of the Browns front office and that his odds of being the new Browns HC weren't as good as he might have thought before.

It's possible that he didn't want to get interviewed by the Browns only to get turned down for the job.

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Man, that's a bucket full of Assumptions.

Perhaps but answer me this Daman

If you wrote a resume, applied for a job, and had an interview for a job that paid much more then your current job, and was a clear promotion move up the ladder...what would cause you to call up the said company you applied for and tell them your no longer interested in the job? (outside of a significatn pay raise and promotion by your current employer)

is it really that much of an assumption? I am not saying I am 100% right, I am just saying from the outside looking in, it doesn't look good.

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Perhaps Gase withdrew his name because the Browns told him that Pettine was their guy?

Possibility?

Nah.............we have the Three Stooges. They are always wrong. There is absolutely no hope. Man, it's been one entire year and they haven't won yet. They have to be failures. No way can they compare w/the previous regime who turned everything around in one short year.

They should be burned at the stake. Bring back The Big Show, the Drunk, and Passive Pat. Let Junior buy the team back. They were such proven winners. The new guys can't hold a candle to the past regime.

I don't think that the Browns would tell any candidate that some other candidate was their guy.

What I could believe is that a candidate realized that his odds of getting the job weren't as good as they may have once been and instead of getting interviewed and losing out on the job, he decided that his ego couldn't take that blow and so he withdrew his name.

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There is no doubt that reporters embellish stories to sell them but, the adage where there is smoke.... kinda rings true and I have a feeling some of these reporters have reputable connections telling them "feelings from other coaches or whatnot".
Like I said they are probably exaggerated but not completely false.

If the adage held true, we'd have McDaniels, Gase or any of the other candidates as the HC already and this would be a 'Woohoo! (insert name here) is the Browns new HC!' thread.

touche

“I talked to some of the players right after they fired Chud and they sounded deflated, confused and frankly embarrassed by what happen,” the outspoken Fujita said. “I’ve been out of football for a year now and I’m a fan of the Cleveland Browns. It’s hard to watch what is going on there. I really feel bad for the fans and players like D’Qwell (Jackson) and Joe Thomas who have been there for so long.”

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/01/scott_fujita_on_the_cleveland.html

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If the adage held true, we'd have McDaniels, Gase or any of the other candidates as the HC already and this would be a 'Woohoo! (insert name here) is the Browns new HC!' thread.

Nah, it would be "I can't believe we hired that stiff! Our front office are buffoons. They are The Three Stooges. They hired their guy too fast. They didn't research the candidates enough. Another stupid move by The Stooges."

That brought a tear to my eye. I feel so bad for these guys that are being paid millions to win 4 and 5 games a year..........every year..........no matter who the coach is, no matter who the GM is, no matter who the owner is.

Those poor, poor players. Gosh, I am so glad that I don't have to play a game that I love and make millions doing it. That is soooooooooooooo tragic.

Maybe we can start a relief fund for these poor souls.

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If all they did was hire the local boy to ease the transition, if that REALLY their thinking, they I think even less of them than I did LOL

That's my exact feelings also. I just can't bring myself to trust these guys anymore. They really need to show me something this year, I've never even thought of dumping this team, until now, and it sucks.

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Nah, it would be "I can't believe we hired that stiff! Our front office are buffoons. They are The Three Stooges. They hired their guy too fast. They didn't research the candidates enough. Another stupid move by The Stooges."

Vers: Regardless of who we hire, some people are going to like it, and some people are going to hate it. I think we can agree though the hiring would be much easier to swallow if not 1, not 2, but 3 other candidates hadn't publically withdrew from even being considered for the job. It just doesn't look good from any perspective.

That's fine...........but I have never been the type to give a rat's butt how it looks.

I loved Belichick when he was here. Most hated him. He was a wreck in front of the camera. He "looked" bad. He "looked" miserable. He "looked" as though he hated all the stupid questions.

Most everyone hated the guy around here. They turned that crap into him not being able to coach. That crap didn't bother me. I saw a guy who could coach. I was a huge defender of him. The biggest in my circle. By far.

Perception overrules reality in many circles, but not mine.

It's cool if we disagree. No big deal. Let's just keep it real, shall we?

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If the adage held true, we'd have McDaniels, Gase or any of the other candidates as the HC already and this would be a 'Woohoo! (insert name here) is the Browns new HC!' thread.

Nah, it would be "I can't believe we hired that stiff! Our front office are buffoons. They are The Three Stooges. They hired their guy too fast. They didn't research the candidates enough. Another stupid move by The Stooges."

Sadly, that is a good point.

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Nah, it would be "I can't believe we hired that stiff! Our front office are buffoons. They are The Three Stooges. They hired their guy too fast. They didn't research the candidates enough. Another stupid move by The Stooges."

Vers: Regardless of who we hire, some people are going to like it, and some people are going to hate it. I think we can agree though the hiring would be much easier to swallow if not 1, not 2, but 3 other candidates hadn't publically withdrew from even being considered for the job. It just doesn't look good from any perspective.

I won't answer for another poster but as for me, I don't think it looks bad at all.

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That's fine...........but I have never been the type to give a rat's butt how it looks.

I loved Belichick when he was here. Most hated him. He was a wreck in front of the camera. He "looked" bad. He "looked" miserable. He "looked" as though he hated all the stupid questions.

Most everyone hated the guy around here. They turned that crap into him not being able to coach. That crap didn't bother me. I saw a guy who could coach. I was a huge defender of him. The biggest in my circle. By far.

Perception overrules reality in many circles, but not mine.

It's cool if we disagree. No big deal. Let's just keep it real, shall we?

Fair enough, I actually liked Bellichik here as well. Bellichik did get some acceptance though because he was able to win a playoff game. We also had different ownership then too....as bad as Art Modell was at times, he was a better owner then the two past owners we have had now...I can't ever remember in my lifetime Art Modell canning a coach after one year (unless he done it before i was around)

I don't believe Pettine was their "top guy" though...its hard to think that Bowles or McDaniels are both much more viable candidates.....I think Pettine just may be the guy who is willing to eat whatever crap sandwich Banner is dishing out this week

Pettine doesn't look like a guy who eats much crap.

We'll have to see. I am not predicting success. I am simply not following the masses that it's a done deal that our current regimes are this generation's version of The Three Stooges.

Some will tell you that I am illogical for not having reached that conclusion after one long year while they couldn't reach the same conclusion after three years w/the previous regime. But yeah, I am the one who runs away from logic.

What a fiasco this organization has become. I am officially withdrawing my name from consideration as HC

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What a fiasco this organization has become. I am officially withdrawing my name from consideration as HC

LOL!

thats hilarious bro!

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GM and Clem. You know I love both of you guys.

Let me ask you a question. No BS.

You both say that you will give them this year. That's it. We already know that no matter what, most posters on here are going to bad-mouth whatever coach we hire, even if we could bring Paul Brown from the grave..........they are going to hate the hire. Couple that w/the possibility of us not winning many games next year. Heck, throw in the draft. Most will say every choice we make is stupid.........no matter who we pick. I see many posters setting themselves up to say exactly that already.

Now.........you both leave the team. I hope to God you don't as I really do love you both.....but you leave the team. Let's say the Browns start winning after that.

What will you do? Swallow your pride and come back, or hold a lifetime grudge and not enjoy what you have wished for since you were a lil pup?

I've considered that question as well -- I assume I'd always come back (the fact that I am posting here in January is a good indication)......

OTOH, I think I might stop buying any Browns apparel until it's worth buying again.....

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That brought a tear to my eye. I feel so bad for these guys that are being paid millions to win 4 and 5 games a year..........every year..........no matter who the coach is, no matter who the GM is, no matter who the owner is.

Those poor, poor players. Gosh, I am so glad that I don't have to play a game that I love and make millions doing it. That is soooooooooooooo tragic.

Maybe we can start a relief fund for these poor souls.

its got me standing in a puddle of tears

That's a good answer, and one that echos what I'd say.

On the HC search, what about Del Rio? I have a feeling we'll hire an ex HC.

Let's see if the new Twitter rule screws us all

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I'm hearing Mike Pettine is going to get Browns job. A deal is close.

Mark Gaughan, Buffalo Sportswriter

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Browns' brass has left Mobile, Ala., and has another HC interview with another candidate tomorrow, a league source said.

Link

Nate Ulrich, Akron-Beacon Journal

Pro Football Reference - Mike Pettine

Pettine has never had a defense outside the top ten as a defensive coordinator.

Here is his bio from the Bills official site:

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Pettine will enter his 12th year in the NFL coaching ranks in 2013 and fifth as a defensive coordinator. He served in the same capacity with the New York Jets from 2009-12 overseeing a defense that finished in the top 10 in total defense each year.

Pettine’s 2012 defense limited their opponents to the second-fewest passing yards per game (189.8) and finished fifth in the AFC in total defense (323.4 total yards per game).

Over the last four years, the Jets’ defense held opposing passers to an NFL-low 71.0 quarterback rating, completion percentage (52.6%), passing yards (186.3 per game). New York forced the highest percentage of three-and-out drives (29.4%). The Jets’ defense yielded the second-fewest yards per game (294.8) and posted a 34.6 third-down efficiency mark while holding their opponents to an average of 20.0 points per game (seventh-fewest in the league). New York’s defense recorded 115 takeaways in Pettine’s four-year tenure – the second-most in the AFC (seventh in the NFL). New York had nine 100-yard receiving games against from 2009-2012, the fewest in the league.

Pettine implemented a completely new defense that finished first in points allowed (14.8 points per game), total defense (252.3 yards per game) and pass defense (153.7 passing yards per game) in his first year with the Jets in 2009 and as a defensive coordinator.

Prior to joining the Jets, Pettine was a member of the Baltimore Ravens’ coaching staff for seven years from 2002-08. In his last four seasons with the Ravens, he coached the outside linebackers as part of a defensive unit that ranked fifth (2005), first (2006), sixth (2007) and second (2008) in the NFL. Before being promoted to a position coach, Pettine was a defensive assistant working with the defensive line in 2004 after two years serving as coaching and video assistant and in a quality control role.

Before entering the NFL coaching ranks, Pettine was the head coach at North Penn (Towamencin Township, PA). He led the school to 45 wins in five years including an 11-2 mark in 1999. He also served as the head coach at William Tennent (Warminster, PA) High School for two years, leading the team to a school-record nine wins in 1996.

Of course, this is what we all thought when Chip Kelly got a second interview as well.....

At least one thing has improved - last year I got a week ban for posting that :-)

Some later reports in regards to the potential Pettine hiring…

Ian Rapoport

Deal w/ Pettine Premature?

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GM and Clem. You know I love both of you guys.

Let me ask you a question. No BS.

You both say that you will give them this year. That's it. We already know that no matter what, most posters on here are going to bad-mouth whatever coach we hire, even if we could bring Paul Brown from the grave..........they are going to hate the hire. Couple that w/the possibility of us not winning many games next year. Heck, throw in the draft. Most will say every choice we make is stupid.........no matter who we pick. I see many posters setting themselves up to say exactly that already.

Now.........you both leave the team. I hope to God you don't as I really do love you both.....but you leave the team. Let's say the Browns start winning after that.

What will you do? Swallow your pride and come back, or hold a lifetime grudge and not enjoy what you have wished for since you were a lil pup?

Good question. One that deserves an honest answer (Damn... this is gonna take some time-).

I guess the best way to describe it: I can feel myself becoming more numb and apathetic with each losing season, with each regime change... I'm caring less than I used to. I can see it happening, and I'm not even trying to fight it. It just happens to be where I am right now.

If it takes this team too long to turn the corner, I really do think I'll have lost interest... not in the team per se, but in "being a fan"... does that make sense?

"Being a fan" [Encycopedia Clemtannica]: chasing down stats, keeping up on the latest FO moves, roster spots, draft.. you know- all this geekstuff we DT'ers love to do as fanatics.

So you see... for me, it would never be an either/or between 'running back' or 'holding a grudge.' More accurately, I'd be less personally invested in the team... no matter what it does.

My 'one-year statement': here's the 411 on why I said it: For me, it's an 'evaluation year.' I'm going to watch a FO build from (just slightly above) Ground Level Zero. It's the hardest thing to do in the business, and it's the one thing that must be gotten absolutely right. That's where the Browns are, for whatever reasons- I don't care how they got here. Their first steps are crucial. All of the Browns 2014/15 inertia (positive or negative) rests on these first decisions.

What HasBanLomb do between now and January 2015 will tell me how much of my time and interest to invest over the next 3 years.

I'm giving them one more year of this current level of 'dedicated geekdom' before I fill out my report card. I'll be watching everything just as I have been. I'll be looking at on-field product, draft, coaching, FO moves- everything. If I don't see enough that makes me want to stay this involved, I'll start shifting my hobby time around. The team's ongoing story will simply start taking up less of my 'free time.' Browns will probably always be an interest, but much, MUCH less of a passion. I only have so much life left, My Dawg... and my interests have always been many and varied!

So- that's pretty much where I am with all this, and it's also the mindset behind the 'one year ultimatum.' If I see enough, I'll punch their ticket for another 12 months. If I don't, I'll be "shuffling my hobby roster." It won't be like flipping a light switch, mind you. It will probably be more like 'slowly turning down the lights on a dimmer switch.'

Like I said a month ago: for a number of years, I've actually been enjoying this website more than I've been enjoying the product that brought us all together. That's totally messed up, Vers- you know? What's worse, IMHO: even here, the DT subject matter this offseason is the same as it's been 6 times since '99. Dedicated fans of 50 years deserve better than that. I've dedicated myself to learning this game- this team- to better interact with all my Internet Dawgs on multiple levels... but there's only so much we can talk about if The Big Story never changes.

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There's a reason the merry-go-round at the county fair is timed: if the ride lasts too long, even 7-year-olds will eventually get bored. I bought my ticket. I stood in line at DT and The Old Board. I joined the ride. Now, this molded plastic brown and orange horse I've been riding on is starting to wear my ass out.... and the ride ain't as much fun as it once was.

If you can keep up the fandon, more power to ya. I admire your fortitude.

For me, the Browns are becoming too much work to still be 'fun.'

I wanna spend the rest of my days having fun.
Life's too short.

Outstanding post Clem.

I understand where you are coming from, the Browns are becoming work, stressful work. It's odd, I used to jump out of my seat and cheer for a TD. Pump my fists on a huge a 3rd down stop. Anymore, and it's not a conscientious decision, it's just where I am at, I find myself sitting there quietly on those same plays and without much reaction. I've become accustomed to losing and watching them blow it.

I think what it boils down to is; I am losing my belief in the team. It's a terrible feeling, much worse than losing. I recall refusing to go trick-or-treat as a 7 or 8 year old kid because the Browns were playing the Oilers. I'm glad I didn't trick-or-treat that year because I got to watch Kosar throw two flea flickers to Webster Slaughter in an exciting victory. I'm rapidly losing that passion. Now, I feel like I am going through the motions rooting for the Browns just because it's what we do, it's just not the same anymore.

If they start winning again, I'll be a raving maniac fan like I've been for 99% of my life. Right now, I've been beaten down too many times and see little reason for optimism. I pray they prove me wrong. I'm in wait and see mode.

When we find someone to take the head coach job, he or she is going to have to hire a complete staff all over again. Which means....well...we know what it means. No continuity in the D or O play books and roster changes to suit the new schemes. We all know this goes way way beyond just a new head coach. This is déjà vu of déjà vu of déjà vu of....

As for the players? These are men of integrity, ambition and goals. I do feel sorry for them. I've had a very well paid job that had few rewards beyond payday, was frustrating and they kept changing the rules, and as much as I loved my profession I absolutely hated going to work every day. I watched lesser talented people receive awards and accolades for just being fortunate enough to be in the right situation at the right time.

Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Joe Haden, Josh Gordon et al haven't seen a playoff appearance or win, a division championship, a league championship, or a Super Bowl appearance or gawd forbid hoist a Lombardi trophy. These guys are probably blocking out the fact that they will never even be mentioned in the football hall fame or little else inducted.

My hat is off to these guys who go out there and give 110% every week and at the end of the season! clean their lockers out in December and head home with another losing season behind them.

*hops down from soap box*

If they make a great hire then I'll love the next coach. I'm dubious of that possibility however....

They should be talking to Brian Billick. He was OC on a Vikings team that is still fifth(IIRC)in scoring. That was 1998 I believe. Before defense was virtually illegal. He knows how to win in this division. He's 80-64 and right now I'd welcome that for the next 9 seasons. I'm not saying he's the greatest coach in the world. But he is capable of coaching at a higher level than we're used to. He's competent and I'll TAKE competent at the moment.

Problem is, no matter who they hire as HC, if Banner and Lombardi can't draft....Paul Brown would fail. It's crystal clear Banner and Lombardi won't cede power over the roster/draft/FA. So They better know their stuff. Last year didn't impress me much....

I've been a diehard fan of this team for a VERY long time..... Lately it's been difficult to feel anything but numb.

He's the guy I want. Great background from HS with his father the great coach himself, to his experience with he Ravens, Jets, and now the Bills.

This is what the big search yielded? A stupid obscure coach,that I've never even heard of from the crappy Bills? That's the best they can do..really? Then screw the FO,and I wouldn't advise any fans to purchase tickets to any and all games.This is total bullcrap,and makes the firing of Chud a complete waste of time.Furious about this...

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I never recall any NFL HC vacancy where three of the highly publicized candidates announced they weren't interested.

Can't say I'm surprised though .But I know we'll keep hearing BS excuses about it.

I just heard somewhere (I think Mary Kay Cabot) that Gase called Haslam today to withdraw his name from the search. Who are the other two that have withdrawn from contention?

Maybe the word is out there that this isn't a good place to come? In the case of Gase, I'm not sure I'd come here. He's got Manning for at least another year I'd think.. Maybe more and a shot at getting to another Superbowl next season.. I think I'd stay put..

The way I read it was gase withdrew after there were reports we were't going to wait around for him.

Once a coach gets the sense he isn't in contention, they withdraw their name to make it look like it was their decision.

I don't know if this was the case or not, but then neither do you and some of he others who want to make a big issue out of this. I am simply illustrating there is anoher side to the coin and how the process can work.

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GM and Clem. You know I love both of you guys.

Let me ask you a question. No BS.

You both say that you will give them this year. That's it. We already know that no matter what, most posters on here are going to bad-mouth whatever coach we hire, even if we could bring Paul Brown from the grave..........they are going to hate the hire. Couple that w/the possibility of us not winning many games next year. Heck, throw in the draft. Most will say every choice we make is stupid.........no matter who we pick. I see many posters setting themselves up to say exactly that already.

Now.........you both leave the team. I hope to God you don't as I really do love you both.....but you leave the team. Let's say the Browns start winning after that.

What will you do? Swallow your pride and come back, or hold a lifetime grudge and not enjoy what you have wished for since you were a lil pup?

I said I would give the front office one more year, not the Browns. I will never give up on the Browns. I eat, sleep, and breath The Browns 24/7 365 bro. I won't bash whatever coach we hire as you know I didn't bash any of the coaches we have hired over the years until they proved they didn't deserve to be the head coach of the Browns.

You also won't see me bashing the guys we draft this season as I have always said it takes 3 years to tell if a guy is going to be a good pick, a bust, or just average. That's not going to change now just because I don't like or trust our current front office.

I am giving the front office one more year to prove to me that they are not as stupid, and clueless as I think they are before I start bashing them at every turn. You know I don't flood pure football with a lot of posts because I prefer to bit my tongue a lot of the time, and to think things out before commenting from my heart instead of my head. (Unless I'm drinking

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Twitter once again makes people look like twits

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He used a source I've never even heard of. Some of you guys suck at Twitter. You don't just search a browns rumour and post it. It's no different than posting some hack no name reporter as a source. Look for corroborating reports before posting.

Then you guys do need to walk away. It's just football.

Sure, I get upset and frustrated, but not to the level it becomes a life altering event...and changing how I feel about the team would be life altering. Great, good, fair, or poor, I am a Browns fan for life.

The only change I might make is giving up my season tickets, but that is bound to happen anyway. Not because I don't like or want to support the team. It is just getting harder to travel to as many games as needed to justify keeping the tickets. When it gets to the point I can only make 2-3 games, I will be better off dumping the seats and just pay a premium price for single game seats.

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This is what the big search yielded? A stupid obscure coach,that I've never even heard of from the crappy Bills? That's the best they can do..really? Then screw the FO,and I wouldn't advise any fans to purchase tickets to any and all games.This is total bullcrap,and makes the firing of Chud a complete waste of time.Furious about this...

LOL....I think the guy would be a great hire. Maybe you need to check out the guy and what he has done before you start calling the guy stupid.

I think you are just going to have to get over your Chud worship. The guy is gone....oh....I wouldn't be seeking your advice on if I should go to games or not. If you don't want to go, don't go. It's your choice. Always has been, always will be.

http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=9333

Ugly, ugly, ugly if even half true

"The Cleveland Browns organization is not getting much respect here at the Senior Bowl. The attitude towards the Browns, specifically the front office, from personnel people around the league has ranged from disparaging to downright nasty. Several comments were passed at the South’s afternoon practice that few are surprised the Cleveland franchise cannot find a head coach considering “those in charge”. In fact choice adjectives were used by front office people here in Mobile to describe “those in charge” in Cleveland."

Not much to say about that. I can't like it, but I am also not all that worried about it.

Maybe we are on a sinking ship. I just don't see any life boats, so just ride it out and hope. What else can one do? I guess I or we could decide to not be fans any longer, but I don't see that happening....at least with me.

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This is what the big search yielded? A stupid obscure coach,that I've never even heard of from the crappy Bills? That's the best they can do..really? Then screw the FO,and I wouldn't advise any fans to purchase tickets to any and all games.This is total bullcrap,and makes the firing of Chud a complete waste of time.Furious about this...

LOL....I think the guy would be a great hire. Maybe you need to check out the guy and what he has done before you start calling the guy stupid.

I think you are just going to have to get over your Chud worship. The guy is gone....oh....I wouldn't be seeking your advice on if I should go to games or not. If you don't want to go, don't go. It's your choice. Always has been, always will be.

Chud worship? You clearly must have me mistaken for someone else.I could care less about that guy.If this Mike whoever he is,is soo great,then why hasn't his name been a hot topic around the league? Wouldn't one of the other teams hired him for a HC job,before waiting for us to take him? I think no one wants to come here,and that's what they got left with.

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Twitter once again makes people look like twits

He used a source I've never even heard of. Some of you guys suck at Twitter. You don't just search a browns rumour and post it. It's no different than posting some hack no name reporter as a source. Look for corroborating reports before posting.

You mean like that anonymous report you posted from the senior bowl?

I like Twitts...

Mark Gaughan is his source. He is the HOF voter for Buffalo and has been the lead beat writer for the Bills since 1999 and is the most respected Bills voice. He is Buffalo's equivalent of Mary Kay Cabot (only, not quite so reliant on the retweet button...). Hardly a bad source.

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Ugly, ugly, ugly if even half true

"The Cleveland Browns organization is not getting much respect here at the Senior Bowl. The attitude towards the Browns, specifically the front office, from personnel people around the league has ranged from disparaging to downright nasty. Several comments were passed at the South’s afternoon practice that few are surprised the Cleveland franchise cannot find a head coach considering “those in charge”. In fact choice adjectives were used by front office people here in Mobile to describe “those in charge” in Cleveland."

Sadly, I'm not surprised one bit. I'm sorry but this is looking worse and worse by the day. Hopefully we are able to find a coach that doesn't feel this way (or simply wants a bump in his salary

) and takes the job. And hopefully, these guys luckily "back in" to a coach that becomes successful here.

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Twitter once again makes people look like twits

He used a source I've never even heard of. Some of you guys suck at Twitter. You don't just search a browns rumour and post it. It's no different than posting some hack no name reporter as a source. Look for corroborating reports before posting.

You mean like that anonymous report you posted from the senior bowl?

Have myself an out with the "even if it's half true." I'm learning from the best how to hedge my bets.

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In fact choice adjectives were used by front office people here in Mobile to describe “those in charge” in Cleveland."

Sounds worse than being called the 3 stooges..

J/k

We need to find a coach that will take all this negative media and turn it into us against the world type thing, bottom line Haslem needs to find a leader of men, someone with a pair of nads who doesnt care what others say, someone guys want to run thru a brink wall for, someone who understand to be succesful he is going to have to surround himself with smart succesful leaders..

Cleveland needs a leader of men, this is why I think Pettine got a 2nd interview, Honestly Gase might have been a very good coach, very smart offensivly but does he have the stomach and the backbone needed to turn this thing around, we need more than just a smart xxx's & o'sss coach, and for that Gase isnt the man, he might be great down the road with someone else, but to me he didnt have the nads to turn this around.

With that being said, I feel Pettine or Quinn is our man

it's time for a next generation of coachs to emerge, older coachs Grudens, shannahans, cowlers, Johnsons all have done what they wanted to do, It's time for these younger versions to rise up and make a name for themselves, The Browns need to look for the next Cowler, Tomlin, Dungy, remember there was a time people screamed why are you hiring that Dungy guy, ya he's a good Defencive Cordinator but he will fail as a head coach,

If it takes another 2-3 weeks for us to find this next great coach than take the time, 2-3 weeks to bring us years of winning, ya go ahead Haslem do it right, find us a leader, let others talk 90% of them have thier mouth connected to thier wallets, give the $ 100.00 and they write about how the Browns are doing it right, taking thier time, it's all how you spin it.

I guess what I'm blowing steam off saying is ...Heck what others say, yes we might be a bit disfunctional but it's our disfunction, we might have created a mess here in Cleveland but it's our mess, Let them talk, who are they anyway and why should what they say all of a sudden mean something to us, heck 24 hours ago we didnt even know those reporters or people exsisted, so why now do we feel we need to listen to them, or these comments mean anything to us Browns fans...

Haslem we need a leader as a coach not just a smart energetic coach

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Still hoping it will be Quinn.

Well Phil Savage does run the Senior Bowl last time I checked. He probably has nothing good to say about the Browns since they ended his career.

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Well Phil Savage does run the Senior Bowl last time I checked. He probably has nothing good to say about the Browns since they ended his career.

Very true. But the tone of the paragraph leans that these comments are coming from many different directions. But whatever, people can take it for what it is worth.

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Then you guys do need to walk away. It's just football.

Sure, I get upset and frustrated, but not to the level it becomes a life altering event...and changing how I feel about the team would be life altering. Great, good, fair, or poor, I am a Browns fan for life.

I am a fan for life too. Life altering event? No, not hardly. Am I less enthused than in years past? Yes. To think it has any negative impact on my life is beyond silly. Like you say, at the end of the day, it's just football. We are all just sharing our opinions here.

Now, go hire Mike Pettine and bring some attitude and fire back to this team that been lacking for decades.

JC

SANTA CLARA -- Coach Jim Harbaugh said Tuesday he's spoken with the Cleveland Browns regarding assistants on his 49ers staff that might be candidates for the Browns' vacant head-coaching job.

"There's possibilities," Harbaugh said without naming which assistants he discussed.

Defensive line coach Jim Tomsula was mentioned Monday by ESPN as a potential candidate. Harbaugh, earlier this month, endorsed Tomsula, offensive coordinator Greg Roman, defensive coordinator Vic Fangio and special-teams coordinator Brad Seely when more head-coach vacancies existed.

Read more at:
http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_24959188/jim-harbaugh-says-49ers-assistants-might-be-cleveland

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http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=9333

Ugly, ugly, ugly if even half true

"The Cleveland Browns organization is not getting much respect here at the Senior Bowl. The attitude towards the Browns, specifically the front office, from personnel people around the league has ranged from disparaging to downright nasty. Several comments were passed at the South’s afternoon practice that few are surprised the Cleveland franchise cannot find a head coach considering “those in charge”. In fact choice adjectives were used by front office people here in Mobile to describe “those in charge” in Cleveland."

Sadly, I'm not surprised one bit. I'm sorry but this is looking worse and worse by the day. Hopefully we are able to find a coach that doesn't feel this way (or simply wants a bump in his salary ) and takes the job. And hopefully, these guys luckily "back in" to a coach that becomes successful here.

We have been saying as much on this board since they were hired. The NFL is only a year behind the Dawgtalkers! About time they caught up. Now when will Haslem???

So you are interested in a hot name. Gotcya.

Call me naive, but I've been sensing the media is trying their hardest to make things look SO MUCH WORSE over the last week or so. Don't get me wrong, things are BAD. But c'mon. The media is trying to portray Cleveland as some ticking time-bomb. Is this the worst we've all really felt about our sports?

What's the difference between now and after the SuperBowl at this point? Of ALL the guys we're interested in, are we really looking at possibly losing them to postitional jobs on other teams when they could have our head-coaching job?

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This is what the big search yielded? A stupid obscure coach,that I've never even heard of from the crappy Bills? That's the best they can do..really? Then screw the FO,and I wouldn't advise any fans to purchase tickets to any and all games.This is total bullcrap,and makes the firing of Chud a complete waste of time.Furious about this...

Look, I'm not exactly tickled with this front office, but what do you expect from a search? A search is going to find things that were not obvious. Like when you open up your fridge and don't see any beer, but you move that old Parmesan cheese, scooch over that Tupperware that you're not sure what's in it anymore, look behind the eggnog that you probably should have already tossed and - hallelujah! - a cold brew! I'm not saying that the beer is your favorite brand, or that it might not be skunked, but you found a beer that no one else knew was there! You searched and found something that was hidden before. If the beer was on the top shelf in front then it wouldn't have been a search. Did you think our "search" would turn up Bill Cowher, John Gruden, and Mike Shannahan? We already knew where they were!

Have you been rummaging through my fridge?

People are getting very worked up and we haven't even hired anyone??

Worked up over a damn fine candidate at that . . .

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Now, go hire Mike Pettine and bring some attitude and fire back to this team that been lacking for decades.

Would love to see fire and urgency to win.... A young John Madden...

This brought back a memory to me...The last coach who tried to motivate and bring fire... Terry Robiskie..Oh man was that something else...

In his first team meeting as interim coach of the Browns last week, Terry Robiskie walked to the front of the room with a shovel and a bucket of ice. After asking those players who considered themselves leaders to join him, Robiskie grabbed the shovel and said, "If I were digging a hole to hell and going to fight the devil and had nothing but this bucket of ice to fight him with, would you go with me?" Then, reminding the players that they needed to unite in the wake of the departure of coach Butch Davis, Robiskie said, "We can go in together, stand with each other, or we can go our separate ways."

Defensive end Kenard Lang said the players were moved by the speech. Yet on Sunday the Pats' Bethel Johnson returned the opening kickoff for a touchdown, and New England was on its way to a 42--15 rout of Cleveland.

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I needed a little humor this morning....

I haven't been all that worried... I do believe things will work out.... And if not...It's not anything mind blowing for this org....

Browns | Mike Pettine close to deal

Wed, 22 Jan 2014 05:19:46 -0800

The Cleveland Browns are close to a deal to hire Buffalo Bills defensive coordinator Mike Pettine.

Source: The Buffalo News - Mark Gaughan

How is his name pronounced?

Pe-TINE
Pe-teen

Just wondering

I believe it's like PETTIN' a cat . . .

JC

Can't wait for all the image macros comparing Pettine to Walter White. Gives a whole new meaning for Breaking Bad... Amirite?

Other teams will need to tread lightly . . .

I would like to see Quinn get his 2nd interview... And hope the FO isn't now rushing into a decision do to what has been said in Mobile..

I would have thought if they were going to hire Mike Pettine.. they would have done that last night at his 2nd interview.

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I would like to see Quinn get his 2nd interview... And hope the FO isn't now rushing into a decision do to what has been said in Mobile..

I would have thought if they were going to hire Mike Pettine.. they would have done that last night at his 2nd interview.

Maybe they more or less did, then turned it over the legal teams to get it ironed out. You don't announce a hire until the guy is hired.

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I like Twitts...

you mispelled that again.

I'll believe it when I see it officially announced, but he comes from good stock. his father is a legendary HS coach. He's coached at every level, worked his way up and had success at every level.

Really nothing to not like about the guys background.

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Maybe they more or less did, then turned it over the legal teams to get it ironed out. You don't announce a hire until the guy is hired.

You may be right there buddy... Just seemed to me in past hires.. they were announced immediately... then the next thing was ... they are in the process of all the legal aspects of it...

To bad his daughters twitter account was closed... we would know for sure then...

Not sure if anyone has heard this ....Pepper Johnson has left the NE Patriots. Seems he's been unhappy about not being promoted to DC. He deserves a interview here IMO. Anyone with a chip on their shoulder directed against BB is worth a look.

If I were Pettine i'd want something in my contract making me almost impossible to fire after one year....

He's still a young guy - nothing kills your chance at getting a future quality HC gig than being fired after one year.

"I am the one who coaches"

The only thing I heard was that he wasn't real familiar with Offense... Which is why you get a good OC..

And that he was the one who leaked a story when he was in the Jets org.. and that pissed off Ryan.

I think with the way this search has gone, if this next coach, Pettine, or whoever, doesn't work out, I think Banner gets shown the door (which will result in Lombardi being shown the door). It's clear their actions and probably their reputations have scared away a lot of candidates.

The one thing I was thinking about yesterday is how the NFL screwed us. They set us up with Jimmy, and that's fine. He has his issues, but I believe him when he says he wants to do what he can to get us back up.

But didn't the league set him up with Banner? Banner was a cap guy who slowly got pushed out of Philly, no?

Why would they send us a cap guy? The Browns situation isn't in cap hell, and isn't even close. It's the exact opposite.

Then you go back to '99 when we came back and they screwed us in the expansion draft...

Do they want us being horrible because they know we support whatever they do?

Maybe, I'm just thinking too much but I think a lot of fans are already tired of Joe Banner. More of the same. They should have put a football guy in his job.

I wouldn't say either of their actions have hurt the team, but it's the unknowing that's hurting the team. No one knows Haslam and have their reserves about getting in bed with him. If Lerner would have done this then I don't think we'd have a problem with finding another coach, because everyone knows what he's like. With Haslam you have one real coach in one real year so it's hard to get a read on him.

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Call me naive, but I've been sensing the media is trying their hardest to make things look SO MUCH WORSE over the last week or so. Don't get me wrong, things are BAD. But c'mon. The media is trying to portray Cleveland as some ticking time-bomb. Is this the worst we've all really felt about our sports?

What's the difference between now and after the SuperBowl at this point? Of ALL the guys we're interested in, are we really looking at possibly losing them to postitional jobs on other teams when they could have our head-coaching job?

I won't call you naive.

Maybe "Spot on" "Obvious" etc....

Hey, all you guys, don't get caught up in all this. Wake Up! For years I have been labeling these guys as girl talk, and many of you didn't like it. Its the same girl talk over and over. If any of you have 12-14 year old daughters, sit back and listen to them and their friends for about 30 minutes. It will end up enriching you about as much as listening to Dan Patrick, Mike and Mike, cowwhatever, and the opinions of the many minions. Its almost the same thing! The sports media's opinions about the Browns will end up being about as relevant next fall as Middle School girl's opinions about the cheerleader who is too fat.

We have two big problems. One is, if we hire a Defensive guy, there are no obvious top notch offensive coordinators available. Two, Banner and Lombardi may need to be replaced over the next year, and if so, it could be messy and set us back again.

If we get lucky. Just plain lucky and find a guy who not only can handle the job, but explodes on the scene. And if we get lucky and get a quarterback that can do the same, all this will be nothing but a part of the Cleveland Brown process. Its always been a very unique process, so who should be surprised?

I have a feeling that when we lift the Lombardi, it won't be because some referee gave us a good call or shifted the momentum. When it happens, there will be no doubt. Its weird, but my gut says that maybe all this mess is necessary before the real foundation is going to be laid. We have some players, we have some draft picks, We have some cap money. I think we may have a real owner (although many won't agree with that right now). We have at least four things that we really haven't had much of in the past.

Chill out.

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If I were Pettine i'd want something in my contract making me almost impossible to fire after one year....

He's still a young guy - nothing kills your chance at getting a future quality HC gig than being fired after one year.

I'd say after this year, he doesn't need that gurantee. lol

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Really nothing to not like about the guys background.

One thing I don't like about his back ground is this...

Weeden threw 197 yds and a TD.. McGahee ran for a TD ...Against his Defense...

I remember walking out of the Stadium with Columbus... saying " thank God the Bills Defense sucked"...

That's only one game.... But one I remember well....

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Really nothing to not like about the guys background.

One thing I don't like about his back ground is this...

Weeden threw 197 yds and a TD.. McGahee ran for a TD ...Against his Defense...

I remember walking out of the Stadium with Columbus... saying " thank God the Bills Defense sucked"...

That's only one game.... But one I remember well....

We had a punt return and a defensive touchdown and we won by 13 points. Not saying your point isn't valid, just pointing it out.

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Call me naive, but I've been sensing the media is trying their hardest to make things look SO MUCH WORSE over the last week or so

That's a good point. They're trying to sell papers, and negativity sells. If this were a "normal" off season (although it is sort of normal for the Browns!), there wouldn't be much to write about.

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Not saying your point isn't valid, just pointing it out.

No prob... I just remember when Hoyer got hurt and Weeden came in.. I thought oh boy !.... Good game we won..

I'm not judging Pettine on one game... that was the only game I had any real look at him.. That's my only knowledge of him..

jc

Report: Attitude Toward Browns at Senior Bowl is "Disparaging to Downright Nasty"

The Senior Bowl is one of the events in which members of the media and team and front office personnel from across the NFL gather in one spot. It's a place where you hope to get a vibe on potential players your team might draft, or where preliminary trade discussions can commence.

For the Cleveland Browns, though, it's where everyone else apparently nods their head in uniformity at the dysfunction in the team's front office. That report comes via Tony Pauline (formerly of SI.com) of DraftInsider.net during his "Tuesday Buzz" article from the Senior Bowl:

The Cleveland Browns organization is not getting much respect here at the Senior Bowl. The attitude towards the Browns, specifically the front office, from personnel people around the league has ranged from disparaging to downright nasty. Several comments were passed at the South’s afternoon practice that few are surprised the Cleveland franchise cannot find a head coach considering "those in charge". In fact choice adjectives were used by front office people here in Mobile to describe "those in charge" in Cleveland.
"Those in charge" likely refer to Browns CEO Joe Banner and general manager Michael Lombardi. The funny thing is that the guy actually doing the work at the Senior Bowl, assistant general manager Ray Farmer, is probably the only respected guy of the group, and he'll probably end up taking a good share of his knowledge to the Miami Dolphins soon.

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2014/1/22/5...-disparaging-to

Glad I had some people paying attention.

Too bad Olskool now has me worried we won't land a good enough Offensive Coordinator.

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"The Cleveland Browns organization is not getting much respect here at the Senior Bowl. The attitude towards the Browns, specifically the front office, from personnel people around the league has ranged from disparaging to downright nasty. Several comments were passed at the South’s afternoon practice that few are surprised the Cleveland franchise cannot find a head coach considering “those in charge”. In fact choice adjectives were used by front office people here in Mobile to describe “those in charge” in Cleveland."

Sadly, I'm not surprised one bit. I'm sorry but this is looking worse and worse by the day. Hopefully we are able to find a coach that doesn't feel this way (or simply wants a bump in his salary ) and takes the job. And hopefully, these guys luckily "back in" to a coach that becomes successful here.

Nope, the browns aren't a toxic situation at all.. nope.

I don't care much for the media, they push whatever story that gets readers in an uproar. So you have to take this stuff with a grain of salt I think.

But still, we keep hearing it over and over again from more than one source that the Browns aren't considered a great situation. This flies in the face of Haslam saying they have a good job here.

Time will tell, I did make judgements on this at first, but I think I need to cool my jets and let it play out.

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He used a source I've never even heard of. Some of you guys suck at Twitter. You don't just search a browns rumour and post it.

As others have said, Gaughan is the equivalent of using Mary Kay Cabot as a source. He is the President of the Pro Football Writers of America. Gaughan was retweeted by other respected reporters. What more do you want?

Everybody, including Haslam, knows our problem now is that if we hire a Defensive guy, there aren't a whole lot of innovative offensive guys around to groom a rookie quarterback.

So, we have to look at guys like Koetter. And, I still believe McNuggets is in the mix (although that is getting tougher and tougher to believe).

Hiring a defensive guy has to be a tough decision.

I moved to Boise the same time Koetter took over at Boise State.

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Everybody, including Haslam, knows our problem now is that if we hire a Defensive guy, there aren't a whole lot of innovative offensive guys around to groom a rookie quarterback.

I am not sure I understand. Not many offensive guys to hire as head coach or no good offensive coordinators available?

All of them were stupid crappy coaches nobody heard of at some point. New superstar coaches will come in as coordinators. Maybe we'll hit on one of the new breed!

Seems to be down to two pretty fiery guys and fiery guys hate to lose. My first prerequisite in a coach!

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If this Mike whoever he is,is soo great,then why hasn't his name been a hot topic around the league? Wouldn't one of the other teams hired him for a HC job,before waiting for us to take him? I think no one wants to come here,and that's what they got left with.

Pettine has a similar resume (only with more actual DC experience) to Mike Tomlin... and distinctly remember when the Steelers hired him the general concensus was... WHO?

He hadn't been interviewed before for a HC gig that I'm aware of, he wasn't considered a "hot candidate" for anything... He sort of came out of nowhere..... I'm sorry but the NFL's history of going after the next hot coordinator isn't a very successful track record. Maybe going off the grid a little bit and actually looking for the qualities it takes to be a HC is a good idea, since those qualities are different than what it takes to be a good OC/DC....

I will give you this though, Tomlin walked into a winning team and a stable organization.... and you can't overestimate how much that is worth... our next HC is going to have to be the guy that helps build it... which is far more difficult..

Both

Dirk Koetter isn't going to stand on the platform with the Lombardi.

We can't hire any current NFL offensive coordinator for the same position.

If we bring Mr. Football in, or Teddy, or ??? we really need somebody who is good. Really good.

I think Haslam is probably thinking that he has to hire a Head Coach who is an offensive guy, simply because that is the only way he is going to get anyone competent enough to run a top notch, innovative, NFL offense, and who can groom the QB that everybody seems to believe we MUST draft now!

If he hires Quinn or Pettine, who are they going to bring in?

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if we hire a Defensive guy, there aren't a whole lot of innovative offensive guys around to groom a rookie quarterback.

I don't know... there could be a positional coach that could step up and become a good OC... I was pretty let down with Norv as far as his work with Weeden...

We just won't know till we see the results on the field this season.

That is why I believe McDaniels still must be in the mix.

Listen,

Adam Gase was flat out STUPID to not jump at this job.

STUPID!

Think about it.

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That is why I believe McDaniels still must be in the mix.

Listen,

Adam Gase was flat out STUPID to not jump at this job.

STUPID!

Think about it.

Gase knew he wasn't ready... I believe that was smart on his part.

Of course the guy you are calling a bum is the odds on guy to get the HC - I've read and heard that the 2nd interview went great and we are very impressed with him.

I assume it serves no purpose to rush now - pretty much everyone has their staff so we might as well finish our interviews. Quinn and nothing mentioned about Del Rio so I doubt that will be it.

Pettine I think will be the guy (possibly Quinn) don't want to get excited just yet - too many let downs.

Just curious Knight O BROWN...I know you are far from a positive poster from memory...but why is he a Bum? What do you know that possibly nobody else does. If you got some info please share it - I don't wish to find out after the fact.

Thanks in advance.

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If he hires Quinn or Pettine, who are they going to bring in?

There were rumors that Quinn was going to bring Kubiak. Kubiak really would be an ideal person to groom a QB. Although if he was successful he would probably get another head coaching job.

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Pettine I think will be the guy (possibly Quinn) don't want to get excited just yet -

Would you be more excited with Quinn ? I do know I would like to see him get a second interview...

both seem similar...at this point - I just wish it done. There is no perfect science about it. I'm leaning with Pettine but don't wish to get too settled on him. I would say he is my preference. He seems to have the Character that I would wish a team to be molded around.

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Listen,

Adam Gase was flat out STUPID to not jump at this job.

STUPID!

Think about it.

Gase knew he wasn't ready... I believe that was smart on his part.

Yea, but Deisle, you don't ever give up a chance at generational wealth (ie not only you, but your relatives are set for life). Never.

In addition, this actually is a very good job. And, Banner's blunderings would give any new coach a certain sort of protection. At least in my mind.

As many on here has said, if Gase falls off the charts next year then his opportunity to come in, build, innovate, overcome, be a hero, gain generational wealth, etc... is over.

Haslam is right. This is a very good job. Despite Banner and Lombardi.

Cleveland is a football town. To be the big guacamole in Cleveland, at this time is a very, very good job.

If he isn't ready, that is on Banner and Haslam. He isn't going to be blackballed from NFL jobs if he fails as a 35 year old head coach of Cleveland.

Gase made a big mistake.

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Yea, but Deisle, you don't ever give up a chance at generational wealth (ie not only you, but your relatives are set for life). Never.

How much were they going to pay him? Jimmy Haslam has generational wealth. Adam Gase was going to make like $4 million a year.

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If he hires Quinn or Pettine, who are they going to bring in?

There were rumors that Quinn was going to bring Kubiak. Kubiak really would be an ideal person to groom a QB. Although if he was successful he would probably get another head coaching job.

Do you think Kubiak would discard his WCO roots, his philosophy, and adopt current NFL offensive strategies?

I think that is a problem with him right now.

If they are really going for Johnny F. would he be the guy to groom him?

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Should Mike Pettine get the Browns HC job, I'm told Alex Van Pelt (Pack RB coach) high on his list as Offensive Coordinator candidates

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4 million

over 4 years = 16 million

cut it in half for taxes and our good buddy Bob Lamonte

Approx 8 million net.

My wife and I, and our three kids and their families, can easily make that work.

Easily

I do remember Van Pelt being a pretty heady QB back in the day. Not a great QB on the field, but serviceable and smart.

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Gase made a big mistake.

He should have at least interviewed...

It may seem like a mistake... It's on how he feels what it will take for him to be successful in his future...

If he couldn't commit 100% to the job... more than likely he would have failed..And I appreciate he didn't take the job just for the money..

I much rather have the guy who wants to do this job...

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Really nothing to not like about the guys background.

One thing I don't like about his back ground is this...

Weeden threw 197 yds and a TD.. McGahee ran for a TD ...Against his Defense...

I remember walking out of the Stadium with Columbus... saying " thank God the Bills Defense sucked"...

That's only one game.... But one I remember well....

Seriously? 197 yards, 1 td, and McGahee ran for a TD = sucks?

McGahee had 2.5 yards per carry that game, Weeden was an amazing 13/24 and was sacked 5 times.

The Bills defense surely "sucked" that game. Us winning had nothing to do with Travis Benjamin setting a franchise record for punt return yardage with 180 (almost as much as Weeden threw for), including a td. It also didn't have anything to do with the fact that we injured their starting QB and got a pick 6 off their back up.

14 of our 37 points were strictly scored on defense/special teams. The rest was set up by amazing field position, a bomb to Gordon, a bomb to Little, and the fact that the Bills offense couldn't move the ball at all.

Their defense really "sucked"

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That is why I believe McDaniels still must be in the mix.

Listen,

Adam Gase was flat out STUPID to not jump at this job.

STUPID!

Think about it.

Gase knew he wasn't ready... I believe that was smart on his part.

Yea, but Deisle, you don't ever give up a chance at generational wealth (ie not only you, but your relatives are set for life). Never.

In addition, this actually is a very good job. And, Banner's blunderings would give any new coach a certain sort of protection. At least in my mind.

As many on here has said, if Gase falls off the charts next year then his opportunity to come in, build, innovate, overcome, be a hero, gain generational wealth, etc... is over.

Haslam is right. This is a very good job. Despite Banner and Lombardi.

Cleveland is a football town. To be the big guacamole in Cleveland, at this time is a very, very good job.

If he isn't ready, that is on Banner and Haslam. He isn't going to be blackballed from NFL jobs if he fails as a 35 year old head coach of Cleveland.

Gase made a big mistake.

If Manning doesn't retire Gase will be fine. He can sit in Peyton's shadow for another year continuing to build his 'young genius' status. Then jump after Manning retires. As long as Manning is his QB he'll have a resume.

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Their defense really "sucked"

yep that's what I said...Look at it how ever you want.

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yep that's what I said...Look at it how ever you want.

I know you said that, I quoted you. Nice counter-argument to your comment explaining why you feel that way.

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I can't help but think Jimmy is sitting somewhere thinking "this sure isn't like Pilot. When I fired people before, all my 'yes men' congratulated me on making a tough decision. Replacing the fired person was easy. Now, I'm getting ridiculed for jumping the gun..........but, but, but, I was only trying to show people that I wouldn't tolerate losing. Why can't they see that? Why is my firing Chud after less than a year causing backlash? Why am I the bad guy? I should be looked up to for my decision making process and leadership. And why won't anyone come to work for me now?"

And banner and lombardi are saying "Ah, we'll get the guy we want.......he's right here.....oops, he wasn't who we wanted anyway, it's this guy....oops, he didn't want to be here, so it's this guy......nuts, he said no as well. Hey, Jimmy, ever hear of this dude? He's who we wanted all along.....crap, he just dissed us. But, Jimmy, we have a lot of cap space and draft picks....we'll hire a coach later. Hey, Jimmy, you still like us, right?"

Oh well, one thing we know, time will tell. Nothing I can do about it. Banner and lombardi are almost certainly feeling the heat. Uber wealthy people don't like to look bad, and they most times insist they are right, and surround themselves with people that will bow down to them instead of stand up to them.

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Of course the guy you are calling a bum is the odds on guy to get the HC - I've read and heard that the 2nd interview went great and we are very impressed with him.

I assume it serves no purpose to rush now - pretty much everyone has their staff so we might as well finish our interviews. Quinn and nothing mentioned about Del Rio so I doubt that will be it.

Pettine I think will be the guy (possibly Quinn) don't want to get excited just yet - too many let downs.

Just curious Knight O BROWN...I know you are far from a positive poster from memory...but why is he a Bum? What do you know that possibly nobody else does. If you got some info please share it - I don't wish to find out after the fact.

Thanks in advance.

I would love to be positive eotab, but this team hasn't given us much to cheer for since 2007. I am a very fun, upbeat guy Eotab, Its just with the Browns i call it how i see it, until the Browns start winning they will be seen as stiffs around the league...winning will cure that.

As for Pettine, i think he is a stiff because:

1. His D ranked 28th in the NFL last year in run defense...if you want to win the NFL you gotta stop the run, and make teams one dimensional, and Pettine and his D in Buffalo didn't do that...Sure he ranked 4th against the pass, but why pass when you can just run the ball down their throats? His D was worse then Horton's...just saying.

2. The fact his D made Brandon Weeden look like a viable NFL QB...that alone should be enough to make one run, and run fast. Weeden don't even belong in the NFL and he was able to look decent against Pettines D.

Look I will be thrilled if we get Quinn...I will be happy as can be. I think Quinn is a good aggressive coach. I think he is a guy this team will rally around, and the guy is a winner. Its just my opinion, but i think Pettine is overrated....You can't possibly say he had a good D, a D worth getting a head coaching job when his run D ranked 28th in the league.

Here is the 4 teams that played in the Title Games, and their rushing stats as a team.

49ers: 3rd, 505 att, 2201 yds, 4.4 yds/att
Seahawks: 4th, 509 att, 2188 yds, 4.3 yds/att
Patriots: 9th, 470 att, 2065 yds, 4.4 yds/att
Broncos: 15th, 461 att, 1873 yds, 4.1 yds/att

3 of the 4 teams in the Conference Title Games Ranked 3rd, 4th, and 9th in rushing...and people want to think running the ball isn't important...running the ball is every bit as important as having a good QB, and so is stopping the run.

Quinn is a better coach, Quinn is a better DC, and at least Quinn knows you have to stop the run in the NFL if you want any chance of winning a game...Run D was pretty much absent in Buffalo last year.....We have Ray Rice and a very run heavy Cinci team in this division...that don't bode well....

Give me Quinn any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

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I think Haslam is probably thinking that he has to hire a Head Coach who is an offensive guy, simply because that is the only way he is going to get anyone competent enough to run a top notch, innovative, NFL offense, and who can groom the QB that everybody seems to believe we MUST draft now!

If you were an accomplished offensive coach would you rather work for an offensive minded HC, where you might have to share control... or a defensive HC who seems more likely to give you the room to do your own thing?

Weeden did not look good against the Bills

How deprived are we from having a QB that 12-23 with a sub 200 yard game. being sacked 5 times, and 1 td is good?

I could care less what the Bozos say regardless if it mirrors my sentiments or not.

What really did bother me is what our players think about Haslam n our other leaders ergo the FO. This was the quote made by Fujita regarding his correspondence with players on the team. That is why us signing Mack n Ward is so key and a pretty good litmus test on the general feeling with the NEW REGIME all fall out from the recent firing. Still say it was a dumbarse move not well thought out.

Got to get this new guy in. Pettine...if its him screw the promised interview...go sign him and get this going on the right track and by waiting it looks like its becomes the 2nd or 3rd choice just as Chud was to be.

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In addition, this actually is a very good job. And, Banner's blunderings would give any new coach a certain sort of protection. At least in my mind.

I hadn't looked at it that way. Interesting take..

Knight of Brown, and you are not the only one stating, why does having good stats make a good coach?

First, Buffalo is in need of talent. After all they have drafted top 10 the last few years. Second, Bills went through a coaching change. It'll most likely take a couple of years. Third, defense was handicapped having a offense run by a rookie QB. Lastly, Pettine did do well in New York, and he done well every level he coached. Dig a little deeper see how Pettine did with the talent level given. Buffalo was competitive.

I am not saying he will make a great HC. I'm simply saying those stats don't prove he'll be a a bad or good coach. It is like saying a baseball with a high batting average and most home runs makes a great team manager.

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Really nothing to not like about the guys background.

One thing I don't like about his back ground is this...

Weeden threw 197 yds and a TD.. McGahee ran for a TD ...Against his Defense...

I remember walking out of the Stadium with Columbus... saying " thank God the Bills Defense sucked"...

That's only one game.... But one I remember well....

Seriously? 197 yards, 1 td, and McGahee ran for a TD = sucks?

McGahee had 2.5 yards per carry that game, Weeden was an amazing 13/24 and was sacked 5 times.

The Bills defense surely "sucked" that game. Us winning had nothing to do with Travis Benjamin setting a franchise record for punt return yardage with 180 (almost as much as Weeden threw for), including a td. It also didn't have anything to do with the fact that we injured their starting QB and got a pick 6 off their back up.

14 of our 37 points were strictly scored on defense/special teams. The rest was set up by amazing field position, a bomb to Gordon, a bomb to Little, and the fact that the Bills offense couldn't move the ball at all.

Their defense really "sucked"

Yup, lets look at some facts:

2ND QUARTER
FG B.Cundiff 30 yd. Field Goal Drive: 7 plays, 19 yards in 2:12
TD W.McGahee 1 yd. run (B.Cundiff kick is good) Drive: 14 plays, 74 yards in 7:10
TD T.Benjamin 79 yd. punt return (B.Cundiff kick is good)

3RD QUARTER
TD J.Gordon 37 yd. pass from B.Weeden (B.Cundiff kick is good) Drive: 2 plays, 74 yards in 0:57

4TH QUARTER
FG B.Cundiff 24 yd. Field Goal Drive: 10 plays, 26 yards in 4:32
FG B.Cundiff 44 yd. Field Goal Drive: 8 plays, 31 yards in 4:41
TD T.Ward 44 yd. interception return (B.Cundiff kick is good)

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So looks to me like we had 1 long, sustained scoring drive, 2 non-offensive td's, a 2 play drive w/ 2 30+ yead plays, and 3 fg drives that averaged 25 yds apiece. All on 290 total net offensive yards.

We hardly walked up and down the field on them.

JC

Wow at all these articles and statements being said about this team/organization. I wish I could confidently say those people are smoking crack - but reality of it they may not be far from the truth. Even may be dead on.

Fuijita's "they're a rudderless ship" comment about wraps up this organization. It's to the point where I ask "what negative thing can happen/be said next... that I likely will agree with".

Banner/Haslam need to put on their thinking caps cause the Browns ship is sinking, sinking... sinking.

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FWIW
I don't think I ever read that guy before, but I looked at his Twitter feed, and he made a comment about John Tortorella getting suspended for exhibiting leadership. If this columnist thinks was Tortorella did falls under leadership, then I'm not sure I can take any of his writing seriously.

This guy gets PAID for doing this!!!

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Good. I want the right coach.. I also want this spectacle to end.

With two ax swings and a either a great GM hire or promoting Farmer and the hire of a solid, experienced football ops guy Haslam can whip this around by the weekend.

And he'd better because like it or not there's a black spot on us that only that kind of move will clear up!

That would help remove this bad view of us. But, winning also would help.

I'd love to be able to look back on this next year and say "boy, everyone was wrong, we went about this perfectly!"

Needless to say, I doubt that happens.

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He knows he needs to turn things around. I just hope he isn't swayed by the media or the fans.

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He knows he needs to turn things around. I just hope he isn't swayed by the media or the fans.

I agree. I hope he listens to us on that.

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Good. I want the right coach.. I also want this spectacle to end.

Well, it will be a new spectacle after the announcement of a HC.

"Why did he take that awful job?"
"They waited this long to get him?"
"Who is this guy?"
"They missed on McDaniels, Gase, Cowher, Bowles, Shannahan, Belicheck, Landry and any other dream candidate that we think they wanted as their #1 choice."
"They picked who as an OC and DC? How awful!"
"Haslam is lost, Banner is a bum and Lombardi is an idiot."
"How do they think they'll retain Mack and Ward?"

When you're a good team and you fire a coach in a surprising way, you must know something we don't and you've got it covered. When you're us, we're a rudderless ship in thick fog in the middle of the perfect storm near rocky cliffs. It won't end until we have more wins than losses.

Heck, even some of the guys on here blasting the FO for secretly conspiring to hire the awful McDaniels will flip a Pettine hiring into how we missed on McDaniels and that makes us look bad. No matter what we do, we're morons.

IMO, we still have a team and it can only get better.

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And he'd better because like it or not there's a black spot on us that only that kind of move will clear up!

I disagree... Well, I agree that we have a big black cloud of laughter hanging over us now.. but he could hire Daffy Duck to be the HC, then trade all of our draft picks to move up to #1 to take Logan Thomas and if we start the season 4-1 next year he will be praised as a misunderstood genius... Hiring "the right people" will get you short term praise, the only thing that really fixes anything is winning.

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I like Twitts...

you mispelled that again.

Bwoobs?

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The only thing I heard was that he wasn't real familiar with Offense...

Great another Shurmer

Why in the world was the topic changed, I thought we hired him...

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Good. I want the right coach.. I also want this spectacle to end.

Heck, even some of the guys on here blasting the FO for secretly conspiring to hire the awful McDaniels will flip a Pettine hiring into how we missed on McDaniels and that makes us look bad. No matter what we do, we're morons.

I'm the conspiracy theorist.

I will never, complain about "missing" on McDaniels.

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it can only get better.

The most frequently uttered phrase, right before it gets worse

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I know you said that, I quoted you. Nice counter-argument to your comment explaining why you feel that way.

True...my bad...I was more being sarcastic with the first post than anything...I don't use purple font.. just post... I was also poking fun at the Bills fans as we were out numbered by them...

We just won with Weeden your D sucks....They tend to be annoying...

But again it was in reference to the game between us ... not the Bills season.

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He knows he needs to turn things around. I just hope he isn't swayed by the media or the fans.

As much as I've beaten on the FO and Owner in the last few weeks, I agree with you. Don't listen to us, don't listen to the media, Find a Guy you love and marry him. We and the Media will get over our anger if it works and the Browns start to win.

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Good. I want the right coach.. I also want this spectacle to end.

Heck, even some of the guys on here blasting the FO for secretly conspiring to hire the awful McDaniels will flip a Pettine hiring into how we missed on McDaniels and that makes us look bad. No matter what we do, we're morons.

I'm the conspiracy theorist.

I will never, complain about "missing" on McDaniels.

I was convinced JM was the man regardless of what he or anyone else said...\I will gladly eat crow if they hire someone else... anyone else

Everybody

Please set me straight.

We must hire a coach today because sports journalists, and a former saint whose claim to fame is as a union activist and a pay per play hit man, are presuring us to?

Is that it?

That is what I'm hearing.

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We and the Media will get over our anger if it works and the Browns start to win.

I would just love to hear the Media talk if we have a winning season... I don't think you will see many crows flying...due to the fact they have all been ate...

for some reason people are concerned from some blog,, from a nobody who regurgitated old quotes and reports....I am sure Haslam is using this to speed up the process

Who gives a rats ass about blogs the media or some quote from another team... these comments should come from us.. the ones who live / die and breath browns football not some interloper...

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He knows he needs to turn things around. I just hope he isn't swayed by the media or the fans.

I agree. I hope he listens to us on that.

the comments on that page make me wonder why I'm a Browns fan but I know that I won't stop being a Browns fan and watching all the games.

Let’s list out the process thus far. Please help me out if I missed anyone. I am trying to keep the list to people we have actually interviewed thus far but the 3 bigger rumors I put on there too.

never really in the running
Stoops – seemingly used us as leverage to get raise. Not much smoke around quick up&down rumor.
Tressel – some smoke that he wanted an interview, but Browns never offered.
SF – Roman, Tomsula, Seely have popped up in rumors over the last month, but you’d think they would be mentioned this week if we were going to interview them.

Wanted out of the Running
McDaniels – interviewed, withdrew
Gase – requested interview, declined
Bowles – interviewed, withdrew
Malzahn – requested interview, never heard anything
McAdoo – interviewed, took job as Giants OC
Whisenhunt – interviewed, took job as Titans HC

Apparently, still in the running but not discussed much
Rich Bisaccia – we apparently interviewed him, then he disappeared from rumors.

Still in running and discussed
Munchak - interviewed
Koetter? – may be interviewed?
Quinn – interviewed once, waiting on 2nd interview
Pettine – interviewed 2X, likely the favorite currently

I Would like to see Seely interviewed... just as an in case failure to sign one of the others...

Just hope by interviewing Pettine twice and not signing him... that he doesn't get a bad feeling and change his mind.. if that's what they want...

I do feel they want that second interview with Quinn... And that may be wise of them to do that.. If there's any doubt...

Be damn sure you get it right this time.

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it can only get better.

The most frequently uttered phrase, right before it gets worse

I thought the most frequently uttered phrase right before things got worse was.. "Hold my beer and watch this."

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If I were Pettine i'd want something in my contract making me almost impossible to fire after one year....

He's still a young guy - nothing kills your chance at getting a future quality HC gig than being fired after one year.

Imo, the new HC is gonna have the Stooges by the short hairs.

What are they gonna do, fire him after he goes 4-12? Come "heck" or high water, I'd think whoever it is will be good to go for at least 3 years.

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it can only get better.

The most frequently uttered phrase, right before it gets worse

I thought the most frequently uttered phrase right before things got worse was.. "Hold my beer and watch this."

well, in that case, wouldn't it be "Do it! Go on now, do it!"

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Call me naive, but I've been sensing the media is trying their hardest to make things look SO MUCH WORSE over the last week or so. Don't get me wrong, things are BAD. But c'mon. The media is trying to portray Cleveland as some ticking time-bomb. Is this the worst we've all really felt about our sports?

What's the difference between now and after the SuperBowl at this point? Of ALL the guys we're interested in, are we really looking at possibly losing them to postitional jobs on other teams when they could have our head-coaching job?

Well, there's only four stories in the NFL right now:

1. Richard Sherman
2. The Super Bowl weather forecast and decision to play it in NJ
3. The Browns don't have a HC yet
4. Should the NFL change the PAT?

As bad as we're getting it, the #1 and #2 topics are really getting hammered. We'll hire a coach and mosey our way down to being the 3rd least important story in the offseason.

A good over under would be who lasts longer?

The new coach?

Banner, Lombardi?

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A good over under would be who lasts longer?

The new coach?

Banner, Lombardi?

If this coach doesn't work out, they're all probably gone.

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"The Cleveland Browns organization is not getting much respect here at the Senior Bowl. The attitude towards the Browns, specifically the front office, from personnel people around the league has ranged from disparaging to downright nasty. Several comments were passed at the South’s afternoon practice that few are surprised the Cleveland franchise cannot find a head coach considering “those in charge”. In fact choice adjectives were used by front office people here in Mobile to describe “those in charge” in Cleveland."

To be fair. that was probably a Colts person that is still pissed about the Richardson trade.

Journalists? Nah they are just Bozos pure n simple.

Fujita...nowhere do I see him pressuring he stated that the PLAYERS from personal contact with more than one are perplexed and in a questioning state since the firing. For the simple reason they were told by FO and Coaches that this was a long term thing and we were heading into continuity. They believed in their coaches and it was upsetting that a HC and entire staff that was brought here by a Regime who stated point blank...this was their direction to Continuity and stability...you know - they actually think they were LIED TO by the FO so there is a bit of distrust.

And like any cancer and this cancer was brought about by none other than the owner and FO. Point blank it was a dumb move.

We have to live with it and move on cause we are diehard fans...but my fear is what damage has this done with the solid foundation of players we had here. Point blank right off the bat we might lose two young Pro-Bowlers. And without a NEW direction the players are just sitting around and the cancer is only getting bigger.

So I get it they feel they might of rushed into it last year...they will make whatever excuse outside of the fact that THEY PICKED CHUD...they endorsed Chud as the Coach for Long Term and then fired him after one season.

So its time to right the ship. Get these players together...how many of our 6 our telling other Pro Bowlers man we got a great thing going on in Cleveland...HOW MANY! You really think Fujita was lying on the general feeling about the players. I will always latch on to the new direction that will come hopefully sooner than later. But fact is fact...this was an act of INCOMPETENCE...by the owner and the Banner/Lombardi combo. You all can quote me the 4-12 record and tell me if I was satisfied all you want. Deep down you know you are grasping for straws. Deep down you know we had some pretty good schemes on O and on D that anyone in the NFL who tries to win with Back up QB will lose. Anyone who has the vast majority of our depth being untried and proven UDFA rookies or waived late draft picks. Come on. Wake up guys and smell the coffee. Are we DEAD in the water...no DEAD is word of FINALITY...we have a breath of life but they got to get their act together.

One guy pulling out ok they got the drift its not them who are the primary candidate. But 3 guys?

A college coach who clearly stated he signed with the Eagles because of their HISTORY OF STABILITY when we all know we were hot on him....so let me see the firing of Chud made us look more STABLE to the candidates.

I like the Pettine guy and heard great things about our meeting. But if we are sure...we are sure. If that is our Guy and he is a Super Star then HIRE HIM!!! what is this futzing around well lets interview Quinn...unless its Quinn....all along as our primary guy - it could be cause we did interviiew with him already and he hasn't pulled out. At least we all will make sense of it.

What I do know and have been saying it for more than a week and actually throughout the process JOB #1 will be to galvanize the players believing in this staff. And the Owner should call a meeting and tell the players - sorry to mess with your heads but this is OUR GUY for a long time! Get on the record although I think they said it last season as in Chud was not their first choice and maybe not their 2nd choice but he is their guy for long term...that was the lead in to the article and then there were quotes about the long term commitment with Chud and the Staff we put together here.

You know the staff who got hired so so quick...without us even firing them. Oh except Tabor

Well thank you for the rant...yes, I do feel better

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Multiple reports say the Browns have spoken to Atlanta Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter about their coaching vacancy, but Vaughn McClure of ESPN.com called Koetter a "longshot candidate."

Ian Rapoport of NFL.com tweeted that the Browns talked to Koetter on Wednesday, but that it wasn't a formal interview.

"They may circle back to him," Rapoport tweeted.

McClure, who covers the Atlanta Falcons for ESPN.com, had the first tweet of the day regarding Koetter. Koetter's name emerged Tuesday in a report by Alex Marvez of Fox Sports.

Koetter, 54, has served as the Falcons’ offensive coordinator the past two seasons. He was the offensive coordinator of the Jacksonville Jaguars from 2007-11.

Koetter also has 22 years of collegiate coaching experience. He was the head coach at Arizona State University (2001-06) and Boise State University (1998-2000). Koetter interviewed for a chance to reclaim Boise State’s head-coaching job last month, but the school hired Bryan Harsin.

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thank you.

koetter was on the bottom of the list of guys to me. glad that we didn't have serious talks with him.

Same here. He was really bad at Arizona State.

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Knight of Brown, and you are not the only one stating, why does having good stats make a good coach?

First, Buffalo is in need of talent. After all they have drafted top 10 the last few years. Second, Bills went through a coaching change. It'll most likely take a couple of years. Third, defense was handicapped having a offense run by a rookie QB. Lastly, Pettine did do well in New York, and he done well every level he coached. Dig a little deeper see how Pettine did with the talent level given. Buffalo was competitive.

I am not saying he will make a great HC. I'm simply saying those stats don't prove he'll be a a bad or good coach. It is like saying a baseball with a high batting average and most home runs makes a great team manager.

Buffalo's defense has plenty of talent:
Marcell Dareus, Kyle Williams, Mario Williams, Kiko Alonso, Leodis McKelvin, Jarius Byrd, Stephon Gilmore. 11 Pro Bowl appearances from this group.

I'm not saying the production (or lack thereof) is to be blamed on Pettine...I don't follow them enough to have a legit opinion. But the talent is definitely is there IMO.

I wonder if this has been posted?

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/01/mike_pettine_tells_clevelandco.html#incart_m-rpt-2

The headline reads: Mike Pettine tells cleveland.com he expects "some feedback'' from the Browns by tonight

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I wonder if this has been posted?

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/01/mike_pettine_tells_clevelandco.html#incart_m-rpt-2

The headline reads: Mike Pettine tells cleveland.com he expects "some feedback'' from the Browns by tonight

Saw this tweeted. I was wondering if he is pushing them to make a decision or if they told him they would have one? Either way that doesn't bode well for him since we want to talk to Quinn again.

Then there's this from the Bills site:

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January 22, 2014 04:54 PM | Chris Brown
ESPN NFL reporter Adam Schefter made an appearance on the Michael Kay Show in New York on ESPN radio and he was asked about where things stood with the Cleveland Browns head coaching job and whether Bills defensive coordinator Mike Pettine would be named to the post. He categorized Pettine as a “fall back” option. Here were his full comments on the Browns job and Pettine.

"I'll say this on the Cleveland Browns. Expect the unexpected,” said Schefter late Wednesday afternoon. “The Mike Pettine situation is going on, they've interviewed him twice. If they wanted to hire him they could just go ahead and do that and maybe they still will.

“But me reading between the lines, they're hopping around, they're interviewing other candidates, they're bouncing around the country. I think if Pettine were their guy it would just be over and done with. And the longer it goes on the less likely in my mind that Pettine becomes the guy.

“I think he's in play clearly. I think I would categorize him now as a fall back option. I think they're looking at other things. They're interviewing other candidates. They spoke to Dirk Koetter this morning. They're continuing to reach out to people.

“But the one thing I will say is expect the unexpected. If you think it's going to be Mike Pettine. If you think it's going to be Dirk Koetter, get ready for that curve ball."

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Schefty probably summed it up the best, without slamming the organization.

Of course, he can't really afford to start slamming organizations because he makes his living off of breaking news after talking to them. Unless he's cool with burning that bridge forever, he's got to play it a little safe.

But sure, I can kinda see what he said as being spot on. Pettine may or may not be the fall back option and if they REALLY like him they would have pulled the trigger on him already. But he even said himself, this is just him reading between the lines. And that's makes some of the statements on here even funnier.

Remember when we "already named Josh McDaniels" the guy? With Jim Scwartz as the DC?

Everyone speculating we had some wink nod deal already done?

The media, especially the Cleveland media are vultures this time of year.

j/c

This entire thing is a joke and people wish to blame the media. Sure they're pointing out the obvious, but don't shoot the messenger.

Yes the entire world hates the Browns SO MUCH, that with the SB coming next week, the media has nothing else to write about.

Why is everyone becoming so intent on covering for the bumbling idiots running the show?

We're down to interviewing people most everyone NEVER would have considered until it's come to the point we have no choice.

But it is a comedic break in my day......

I think the real joke here is that we've interviewed about half our candidates in the past week to two weeks. Truthfully I think we're looking at the 3rd to 4th fall back option at this point.

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Schefter calls Pettine Browns fall back option
January 22, 2014 04:54 PM | Chris Brown
ESPN NFL reporter Adam Schefter made an appearance on the Michael Kay Show in New York on ESPN radio and he was asked about where things stood with the Cleveland Browns head coaching job and whether Bills defensive coordinator Mike Pettine would be named to the post. He categorized Pettine as a “fall back” option. Here were his full comments on the Browns job and Pettine.

"I'll say this on the Cleveland Browns. Expect the unexpected,” said Schefter late Wednesday afternoon. “The Mike Pettine situation is going on, they've interviewed him twice. If they wanted to hire him they could just go ahead and do that and maybe they still will.

“But me reading between the lines, they're hopping around, they're interviewing other candidates, they're bouncing around the country. I think if Pettine were their guy it would just be over and done with. And the longer it goes on the less likely in my mind that Pettine becomes the guy.

“I think he's in play clearly. I think I would categorize him now as a fall back option. I think they're looking at other things. They're interviewing other candidates. They spoke to Dirk Koetter this morning. They're continuing to reach out to people.

“But the one thing I will say is expect the unexpected. If you think it's going to be Mike Pettine. If you think it's going to be Dirk Koetter, get ready for that curve ball."

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Along the lines of "expect the unexpected," I have a thought.

It is admittedly crazy and farfetched, but I suppose it is a (small) possibility, especially in light of Schefter's comments.

Maybe instead of waiting for February 2nd and the Super Bowl to pass, the Browns are actually waiting for February 5 and National Signing Day to pass?

Perhaps there is a college coach out there who wants to interview for, or even take, the job, but doesn't want to have rumors of his leaving spread, or actually leave, prior to National Signing Day and leave his school and new coach in a tough spot of scrambling to maintain the recruiting class?

Again, I do not think this is the case and admit it is a crazy thought, but as this weird dance the Browns are engaged in drags on, it does make me wonder if they don't have something up their sleeve, or something in particular they are waiting for besides, at this point, Dan Quinn.

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The media, especially the Cleveland media are vultures this time of year.

When you fire your coach less than a year on the job, what did you expect? Media in every other market is probably sinking their teeth into draft rumors, player troubles, signings and whatnot. The Cleveland media is used to wondering who the new coach will be. When that is your feasting site nearly every year, it is no wonder that the vultures circle the dead animal...

Was there this much consternation when we were waiting to hire Crennel? Or did people just not care because everyone he was going to be hired?

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Maybe instead of waiting for February 2nd and the Super Bowl to pass, the Browns are actually waiting for February 5 and National Signing Day to pass?

Perhaps there is a college coach out there who wants to interview for, or even take, the job, but doesn't want to have rumors of his leaving spread, or actually leave, prior to National Signing Day and leave his school and new coach in a tough spot of scrambling to maintain the recruiting class?

Malzahn would be my absolute favorite hire, he coaches for a school that fired it's last 2 coaches despite recent undefeated seasons, and if Malzahn bolted, Auburn's recruiting class would be left in shambles very quickly (with all the SEC teams and others moving in).

Like you, I doubt it, but it'd be an awfully sneaky hire. Also, there were lots of reports that we requested an interview, but none that he rejected nor that we had actually interviewed him.

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Was there this much consternation when we were waiting to hire Crennel? Or did people just not care because everyone he was going to be hired?

I believe it was the latter.

Everyone knew it was Crennel to Cleveland.
Charlie Weis to Notre Dame.

Even when the Superbowl ended that year, there was a shot of the two mentioned above hugging Belichek and the announcers made it a point to say it would be the last time they'd work together. Everyone knew.

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Why would other NFL front office people be so hateful towards the Brown's FO?

Seriously.............why?

How much interaction have we had w/these other teams? Why would they be nasty?

Is it because we fleeced Indy on the Richardson trade?

Is it because we took advantage to two teams in the draft last year and have better picks this upcoming year?

Why else would they hate us?

I see no logical reason, but others will rush to post it.........and even post it in bold faced font so people can see it better. LOL.............Hey guys, look at this. This guy is actually freaking happy to report that his/our team is catching flak?

I read the other article, too. Pure speculation. No use of facts. Just pile on to draw readers from Cleveland.

I always want the Browns to win, but it will be so much sweeter if we win w/this group after so many [media members and some so-called fans] have fabricated stories, exaggerated, and piled on w/out very much ammunition.

It will be so nice to see them finally shut the heck up!!!

Man.............a Brown's fan gleefully posting negative articles about our team just so he can say........."I told you so......."

I thought he posted an article because it was about our team and we discuss our team here.

Like it or not we look like bumbling idiots at this point. Joe Banner and friends just happen to be the ones in charge.

I think it is simpler than that. McManamon demonstrates it rather clearly though he doesn't draw the same conclusion from it that I would

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It seems they are treating the coaching search like they would the hire of a CEO. Which means cast about, use a search firm, talk to lots of folks and pick the best one. Most of those work because business executives are moving up the ladder.

In the NFL, the traditional way is to have an idea ahead of time and do key legwork before the interview. Form a pecking order, have back-channel discussions to find where they stand and have an idea what it will take to hire their guy. It’s the business. And it works, because the coach has an idea of where he wants to work, and with whom. The team then acts quickly before the coach goes elsewhere.

It seems to be a 'HOW DARE THEY DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY!' consternation.

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The most frequently uttered phrase, right before it gets worse

I agree with that. I have long held that things can always get worse.

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I Would like to see Seely interviewed... just as an in case failure to sign one of the others...

Just hope by interviewing Pettine twice and not signing him... that he doesn't get a bad feeling and change his mind.. if that's what they want...

I do feel they want that second interview with Quinn... And that may be wise of them to do that.. If there's any doubt...

Be damn sure you get it right this time.

I have a ton of respect for Seeley, and would love to see us interview him. He has been an assistant head coach for both us and the Niners. Frankly, I am surprised that he hasn't received more attention as a head coach candidate. I do think that the emphasis on offensive candidates has really hurt him.

I've been wondering about Malzahn too. Didn't lean one way or the other, but was wondering why one minute it was written we were interested all the time & all of a sudden it all stopped. No talk of interviews, requests, him turning us down, etc. Just nothing...

I think the league has hated us since Arts move. We put up a fight and it wasn't appreciated by the league.

Bashing Cleveland has sold for many, many years.

I was referring to the article that stated that our FO personnel hated our team and were saying "nasty" things about our FO.

My question is why wold they do that?

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The national piling on continues. Haslam needs to turn this thing around in a bad, bad way. Quickly.

Browns Coaching Search

It is really hard to argue with anything he said.

I mean, it's possible that Pettine may wind being a great head coach, but no one, with a straight face, can say that he was initially anyone's 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th choice. Frankly, the choice of Pettine, if, in fact, he is the choice, looks a lot like the choice of Chudzinski. He is a guy who no one, at all, talked about when the process began. As far as I know, he was not interviewed by anyone other than the Browns.

All I know is that, if we hire him, he better turn into Marty Schottenheimer. (or better) If he is just another guy, there will be a lot of heads rolling in Berea.

ehhhhhhh....

No matter what,some people will love the HC pick, some will be indifferent, some will have the 'wait and see' philosophy, and some will absolutely hate it.

I honestly don't know anything at all about the newest gang of rumored candidates and am losing interest in the entire search process.

I rely on a lot of the legends on here who have proven to be level-headed, even tempered, and very knowledgeable about the NFL throughout. Thank you for keeping me informed and helping sort out some truth from the media b.s.

I'll always be a Browns fan. I get to one game a year. I have no interest in all the travel time to attend all of the home games and I'm not ashamed to admit that my finances have greater use in every day living and my disposable income doesn't afford me the means to own season tickets. I never miss a broadcast and I have more than my fair share of Browns gear.

I hope and pray that the right decision is made and I hope I live long enough to see us hoist at least one Lombardi Trophy.

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If I were Pettine i'd want something in my contract making me almost impossible to fire after one year....

He's still a young guy - nothing kills your chance at getting a future quality HC gig than being fired after one year.

Imo, the new HC is gonna have the Stooges by the short hairs.

What are they gonna do, fire him after he goes 4-12? Come "heck" or high water, I'd think whoever it is will be good to go for at least 3 years.

I said more or less the same thing a page or two back. The coach isn't going to have to worry unless he does something totally stupid. I mean totally stupid.

Plus, this hire is Haslams. I think he was talked in to Chud. This go, it is him. This is his thumbprint. He sticks with this guy for 3 years....unless, as I said before....

Here is what I think. I think Lombardi is almost out anyway. They keep the guy locked away. Farmer is a pretty good talent. We haven't lost him yet. I wouldn't doubt if a owner or two have called Jimmy a time or two over the last few days to offer some support and some candid advice....Keep Farmer and put Lombardi in to a different role.

I think Lombardi has value, but we sure haven't used him as a GM in a traditional sense....make him advisor to the President or something.....make Farmer GM.

Banner has value as well. As team President....no problem, but he doesn't need to be team spokesman front and center. His facial expressions look like I do when I receive my yearly prostate exam. The man is a great numbers guy, manager, and maybe even OK in evaluating players, as a 3rd opinion.

I'd rather have Haslam doing all the selections over these guys ( Farmer not included). He has fire, and looks fit enough to hold his own with-in bounds....Lombardi....that guy has never been punched in the face....too meek. Banner probably has, so I give him credit....he is a talker, and looks like the kind of guy you would like to punch. Maybe that facial expression of his is the one when you know you are taking one to the mouth.

Anyway, I don't think we need to remove people from the FO.....just reassign the positions or duties.

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I have a ton of respect for Seeley, and would love to see us interview him. He has been an assistant head coach for both us and the Niners. Frankly, I am surprised that he hasn't received more attention as a head coach candidate. I do think that the emphasis on offensive candidates has really hurt him.

I just wonder if hiring him would resemble the Chud hire to much for the FO to be comfortable with.

Maybe whats hurting him is it would look too much like Chud coming back to be HC. just a thought.

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I have a ton of respect for Seeley, and would love to see us interview him. He has been an assistant head coach for both us and the Niners. Frankly, I am surprised that he hasn't received more attention as a head coach candidate. I do think that the emphasis on offensive candidates has really hurt him.

I just wonder if hiring him would resemble the Chud hire to much for the FO to be comfortable with.

Maybe whats hurting him is it would look too much like Chud coming back to be HC. just a thought.

No doubt, but I don't even mean just us.

These other teams have openings, and his name is never mentioned. From what I have heard, he is highly respected by everyone he has worked for. Harbaugh supposedly loves the guy to death.

I dunno. Maybe the stigma of being a teams guy is part of it .... but Baltimore hired a teams guy, and he did OK for them.

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I have a ton of respect for Seeley, and would love to see us interview him. He has been an assistant head coach for both us and the Niners. Frankly, I am surprised that he hasn't received more attention as a head coach candidate. I do think that the emphasis on offensive candidates has really hurt him.

I just wonder if hiring him would resemble the Chud hire to much for the FO to be comfortable with.

Maybe whats hurting him is it would look too much like Chud coming back to be HC. just a thought.

I am getting old myself, but isn't Seeley a bit long in the tooth?

Give me someone somewhere between 40 and 60. Then I don't have to consider age.

Brad Seely is between 40 and 60.

I really don't know if that's all that far fetched. I mean, when to theories, it's as good as any.

Seely is 57, IIRC.

I just thought that I would add this in here .......

How did Terry Francona react to Chud's firing?

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf..._special-report

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- I needed a break from all the angst and gnashing of teeth over the Browns' search for a head coach.

So I went to Terry Francona's press conference. There actually wasn't anything especially newsworthy about it. The Tribe manager was simply available to talk a little baseball.

OK, Francona did mention the Browns: "I was pissed that Coach Chud (Rob Chudzinski) got let go. I liked him."

The rest is baseball ....... but I thought I'd mention it here.

Mary Kay is reporting that Pettine will interview for the third time, Thursday. He is apparently flying to Cleveland for this one.

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Mary Kay is reporting that Pettine will interview for the third time, Thursday. He is apparently flying to Cleveland for this one.

Bring your agent/lawyer/accountant with you and let's get this deal done. Schedule the announcement for 2pm Thursday, or Friday, as the case may be...

LOL 3rd time? Really?

If its Pettine, it brings in something that I think has been missing.

Cleveland is a hardworking, blue color, teamster kind of town.

I think Pettine gives off that vibe.

I like what I have read about him. He seems like a tough no non since kind of coach. Best hire possible after the fiasco. I really hope it works out.

I was really hoping for a Francona kinda hire. I think the flashy big name would have more than salvaged the disaster that this off season has been.

Apparently Pettine is scheduled for a 3rd interview on Thursday per Albert Breer.
Pettine 3rd Interview

Ian Rapoport reporting Browns spent day in Florida with unknown candidate.
Browns meet candidate in FL

Being reported the by Alex Marvez the "secret" candidate in FL was Greg Schiano.
Browns Interview Schiano

Albert Breer says Haslam has talked with Belichik about Schiano
Haslam talks with Belichik

Wow..Schiano and Pettine tomorrow..can't think why Schiano is interesting to them...

Schiano?

You've got to be kidding me.

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I am somewhat confused....and perhaps it's a matter of semantics.

I read that if... IF we hire Pettine then he is our 2nd, 3rd, 10th choiuce or whatever. What is the basis for that train of thought? The logic seems skewed.

In my hiring experience.. you want to find the best person for a position.. to do that you interview either 1) all applicants you can ans chose from that pool or 2) You hit on that one candidate that you are sure is a not miss and try to land him.

The first choice would be that one person for first offered the position to, so are we saying that we offered this job to 2 or 3 other people and they all turned us down? I claim BS on that.

Most of us have been on interviews and unless you are desperate for employment while they are checking you out, you should be doing the same. I have walked from interviews before and afterward really didn't want the job, That doesn't necessarily make that company bad, only a bad fit, for whatever reason, no harm done.

So we have spoken to some who 1) chose to stay put, 2) chose other positions, none of that makes them our first choice, (maybe they got the vibe that is wasn't a fit, maybe the FO told them so), it only makes them the first interview, not the first choice, or are we assuming the first person we talked to automatically is the first person we wanted. Again I call BS.

If we had hired the first person we interviewed .. oh boy what an uproar. I would hope they would take to many, many candidates and decided form those who the first choice should be. But no, like sheep we are led by the nose by media reports and now twitter and blogs... LOL, if a person says no.. well hell he was our first choice, and a person says no he going to stay put, well by God he was our 2nd ... blah blah... let the bozos lead on a path.. give a rats ass about what others say... pfft.

Bottom line... they do not know as much a s they want us to think they do..imo

My thoughts exactly on Schiano. That's a worse case scenario I didn't think was possible. I'm hoping Quinn as my #1 and then Pettine.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 1m
Source: The #Browns interviewed Greg Schiano today. … 2nd source: He will not be hired by the #Browns.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 1m
Bill Belichick talked with Browns owner Jimmy Haslam recently to vouch for Greg Schiano. In the end, it wasn’t to be.

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You've got to be kidding me.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/426167921904066560

"2 things I've heard ... 1) Schiano has called people around the league asking about Banner ... 2) Belichick talked to Haslam about Schiano."

Someone compared Beli and Schiano's relationship to the Royals and Yankees in the 70's. I guess being a farm team to the Patriots isn't the worst thing that could happen

I'm no expert on Schiano, but the very little I do know, I want nothing to do with the guy as our HC. Maybe he'd be a good coordinator? I have no idea. Hell, I don't know if he's an offense guy or a defense guy.

But I know what I heard from people who follow Rutgers and I know what I read about him in TB. I want nothing to do with the guy.

j/c

Pettine - 3rd interview? That surely is a lock....sign him.

It appears the potential Schiano is reportedly over. That was quick.
Schian not in the plans

Again Schiano will not be hired. Thankfully! Mary Kay also reporting the same.
Schiano out as candidate

Wow...............this board will have a complete melt down if we hire Schiano. It would be kinda funny to watch......well.........at least for a day or so. I don't have much of a problem w/the guy.

One thing is sticking out to me..................guys like Pettine, Quinn, Schiano, Munchak are all tough guys. I like that. Give me a Marty or a Cowher over a Shurmur type of guy any day of the week.

You know what would be even cooler than hiring Shiano? We should bring back Mangini. Can you imagine the reaction of guys like DJ and PDR? Hilarious.

It certainly seems we're going that "hard nosed" route. I love it.

I especially love that Schiano is not in the picture.

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It appears the potential Schiano is reportedly over. That was quick.
Schian not in the plans

Again Schiano will not be hired. Thankfully! Mary Kay also reporting the same.
Schiano out as candidate

Good news to me!

j/c..

Munchak hired by Steelers to be their O-line coach. Hate to say it, but great hire by the Steelers.
Munchak to the Steelers

Man, it's been ugly around here............imagine if we hired him? LOL.........

Schiano just seems like that guy with a white collar office job who commutes to work in a big ol' diesel Super Duty and talks about "hauling" and "towing" all the time when he only puts his lunch pail in the bed...

I'd officially be embarrassed if he were hired him as our head coach just to overreact on getting Chud's polar opposite. Coordinator potential? I don't even know.

Maybe it would be easier for us to make a list of people we're not interviewing. Seems like we're looking everywhere. Maybe Banner & Lombardi just want to ride around in Haslam's plane.

Well tomorrow is gonna be interesting..

Damn... and to the squealers to boot...ddamn

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Well tomorrow is gonna be interesting..

Especially when we hear we're interviewing Zombie Tom Landry and a guy who used to deliver the mail to Vince Lombardi's house.

j/c

Dollars to doughnuts, we have our new HC tomorrow...

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Schiano?

You've got to be kidding me.

Sit down.

I agree with you 100%. I cannot imagine why Schiano would be of interest to any NFL team.

He is my nightmare candidate.

If the Browns want to lose me as a fan ..... something I never thought possible ....... hire Schiano and draft Clowney at 4.

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Schiano just seems like that guy with a white collar office job who commutes to work in a big ol' diesel Super Duty and talks about "hauling" and "towing" all the time when he only puts his lunch pail in the bed...

I'm sorry but this had me rolling, at least we can find humor in some of this

The guy was a flat out embarrassment in Tampa.

Hiring him would eliminate any hope I have for this regime.

We may as well rehire Mangini.

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j/c..

Munchak hired by Steelers to be their O-line coach. Hate to say it, but great hire by the Steelers.
Munchak to the Steelers

That is a tremendous hire by the Steelers.

Munchak may not be much of a head coach, but he is a great OL coach.

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....... hire Schiano and draft Clowney at 4.

Now that would bring your signature into play...

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Maybe it would be easier for us to make a list of people we're not interviewing. Seems like we're looking everywhere. Maybe Banner & Lombardi just want to ride around in Haslam's plane.

So, you wouldn't complain if we were not interviewing a lot of candidates? LOL

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If the Browns want to lose me as a fan ..... something I never thought possible ....... hire Schiano and draft Clowney at 4.

I'll never give up on the team, but mark me down for Schiano and Manziel as my nightmare scenario.

PDR, Schiano has been ruled out as a candidate after his interview per Ian Rapoport and MKC.

Not complaining, just pointing out that we're interviewing a lot of people.

We're currently building a house. We've run into issues here and there, so the house is a little delayed than what we were expecting. But, in the end, my wife and I agree we'd rather wait but have everything be right than rush things and then have things go wrong.

I look at our coaching search the same way. I don't care that we've interviewed 274 people. In the end, I just want a good coach and I want a good QB.

We've gone the route of hiring guys quickly and it hasn't worked. We've gone the route of waiting and it hasn't worked. So, just get the right guy, whether it's today, tomorrow or in 2 weeks.

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If the Browns want to lose me as a fan ..... something I never thought possible ....... hire Schiano and draft Clowney at 4.

I'll never give up on the team, but mark me down for Schiano and Manziel as my nightmare scenario.

Same.

I have little faith in these guys already. Drafting Manziel and hiring Schiano puts the nail in the coffin.

Sorry, I misinterpreted you.

The house analogy is a good one.

Adam Schefter reporting that the Browns FO will meet with 2 coaching finalists tomorrow. I understand Pettine is one, but who could the other be? Is Quinn out as candidate? Hope not.

Browns to meet w/ 2 Finalists tomorrow

Anyone think it is Malzahn?

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Maybe it would be easier for us to make a list of people we're not interviewing. Seems like we're looking everywhere. Maybe Banner & Lombardi just want to ride around in Haslam's plane.

So, you wouldn't complain if we were not interviewing a lot of candidates? LOL

I have a three year old nephew who "likes to play football on the TV." should we also look into him? Just because you're looking at candidates doesn't mean you need to look at every candidate. I know for a fact that there are many candidates out there who the Browns haven't interviewed that would be a better interview than Schiano.

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Anyone think it is Malzahn?

I have no real opinion on the guy either way (don't know enough about him), but boy, talk about sending shockwaves through the world.

"Hi everyone, you think we totally botched this search. Here's our new head coach, one of the hottest coaches in college football. Screw you, media."

Wow. That was deep and enlightening.

Let's see if I can play?

I have a 3 year old nephew who whines, cries, and throws stuff when things don't go his way, and he is probably acting more mature than most of you.

Yeah, that would be kinda cool.

It won't happen, though. We're the Browns.

Well at least we know who he takes after :P

But if you just want to fight with another member because someone says something negative about the FO then feel free, but I'm not going to be as easily goaded as some of the others. But if you want to talk about football for a change then please feel free to respond.

j/c

What is Quinn's window prior to the SB?

I don't know. I read earlier that the Browns FO had already left the Senior Bowl before Malzhan arrived. As quickly as this information is coming out, I think it would have been reported somewhere they had met once already. Malzhan is interesting candidate to me though.

I really don't have a 3 year old nephew. LOL

It was just a stupid comparison to your ridiculous statement.

I just really wonder if there's another candidate as a finalist or if it's Quinn.

Isn't Farmer still there?

I don't think it is going to happen either.

I just wonder who this surprise candidate is? Malzahn would make some sense to me.

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j/c

What is Quinn's window prior to the SB?

I believe he could be interviewed this week, but not be offered a position per league rules. There is also a report Browns don't have anything set up with Quinn.
Browns: Quinn

You're correct, Farmer is still there. I really don't know who the other could be. I have a feeling it will come to light soon.

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You're correct, Farmer is still there. I really don't know who the other could be. I have a feeling it will come to light soon.

Calling it: CoachB.

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Anyone think it is Malzahn?

That would pull me right back on board. He is a guy I could see making a legitimate argument for as an upgrade from Chud. Many of these other candidates are just ... guys.

I don't know if this is true but there is some supposed HC that they are interested in but it's been kept secret..

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The guy was a flat out embarrassment in Tampa.

Hiring him would eliminate any hope I have for this regime.

We may as well rehire Mangini.

I'd rather have Mangini. Heck, I'd pick him up at the airport and drive him to Berea....and I live in Chicago.

Schiano would have really upset me (Caldwell was the other one that would have ticked me off).

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What is Quinn's window prior to the SB?

I believe he could be interviewed this week, but not be offered a position per league rules. There is also a report Browns don't have anything set up with Quinn.
Browns: Quinn

Has to be Pettine and Quinn. Seems to be too late for a last minute entry...

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You're correct, Farmer is still there. I really don't know who the other could be. I have a feeling it will come to light soon.

Calling it: CoachB.

Man, I remember arguing w/that guy all the time. Whatever happened to him?

He got banned.

I would be happy with Malzahn.

I am OK with Quinn.

I don't know a lot about Pettine. I suspect that he will wind up being the guy.

Oh..........thanks.

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He got banned.

Isn't that ......... something of an understatement?

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You're correct, Farmer is still there. I really don't know who the other could be. I have a feeling it will come to light soon.

Calling it: CoachB.

Now that's funny. You think he'd bring in his son as coordinator? What a dynamic duo!!

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He got banned.

it was the best thing that ever happened to this board along with not eating ham sandwiches

Coach B's son as offensive coordinator and Te'o's girlfriend as defensive coordinator?

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He got banned.

Isn't that ......... something of an understatement?

Well, that's the short answer. If anyone has the free time, type out the long one.

I remember coming to the board that day and seeing something like 150 new posts in the tailgate and wondered what fun topic exploded. That was an interesting afternoon.

Schiano and pettine and the winner is ? lol

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I'm no expert on Schiano, but the very little I do know, I want nothing to do with the guy as our HC. Maybe he'd be a good coordinator? I have no idea. Hell, I don't know if he's an offense guy or a defense guy.

But I know what I heard from people who follow Rutgers and I know what I read about him in TB. I want nothing to do with the guy.

Look at the number of Browns scouts that attended Rutgers.

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You're correct, Farmer is still there. I really don't know who the other could be. I have a feeling it will come to light soon.

Calling it: CoachB.

Man, I remember arguing w/that guy all the time. Whatever happened to him?

He got exposed for not really being a coach and didn't he fake having cancer or something?

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I'd rather have Mangini. Heck, I'd pick him up at the airport and drive him to Berea....and I live in Chicago.

That's a long drive from Midway or O'Hare to Berea.

I don't think I'd want to stay in the same vehicle with Mangini for that long of a trip.

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I'd rather have Mangini. Heck, I'd pick him up at the airport and drive him to Berea....and I live in Chicago.

That's a long drive from Midway or O'Hare to Berea.

I don't think I'd want to stay in the same vehicle with Mangini for that long of a trip.

I'll cure that problem. Get a pick-up truck and tell him to get in the bed, it's gonna be a long, cold ride. Hopefully he'd brought his earmuffs and scarf.

Damn.

Y'all be RUFF!

They're bringing the final two candidates for a showdown? What is Banner going to give one a rose? A secret candidate? Why is this such a damned circus? Is this all going to be on season 2 of "on the road with the Cleveland browns"?

If it's some secret candidate... Gruden? Who the heck?

I mentioned on the HC part 5 thread it looks like McDaniels is back in the fold. Blah. Thought the FO was no longer interested in him?

McDaniels Back in Mix

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They're bringing the final two candidates for a showdown? What is Banner going to give one a rose? A secret candidate? Why is this such a damned circus? Is this all going to be on season 2 of "on the road with the Cleveland browns"?

If it's some secret candidate... Gruden? Who the heck?

I agree Steve. I have been on board with this process all along, but this final two...it's like they are filming a episode of The Apprentice. It's to the point with Pettine he can point blank say, do you want me or not? No more interviews.

Not only that, if we do hire some "secret" candidate, it looks to me like we have been jerking Pettine around to kill time, and I don't respect that one iota.

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... it looks like McDaniels is back in the fold.

What? This is just getting weird, folks.

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Not only that, if we do hire some "secret" candidate, it looks to me like we have been jerking Pettine around to kill time, and I don't respect that one iota.

Agreed, 'Peen. If we have been perceived to be giving Pettine the run-around, good luck on getting prospective coaches to interview here the next time around...