https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/status/1041107250671173638

Is this crazy and now we get to watch him blossom somewhere else or does Dorsey know what he’s doing?

Why couldn't we trade him?

Watch him go straight to the patriots.

I wonder if something happened this past week

Damn...I knew it was a matter of time...We better go for a WR, because our WR core is weak behind Landry.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnLAizTXgAA3js7.jpg

Dez or a trade possible

or worse to the Ravens lol

It wasnt a HAMMY..

At least we won't have to deal with this drama anymore.

Good luck Josh, get your stuff together.

He must have had a positive test. It doesn't make sense otherwise.

After all this...I'm speechlessly disappointed...

I'm hoping for someone...as our group of WRs will struggle pressed into playing larger roles.

It's on the official website:

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-to-release-wr-josh-gordon

Good bye, it's already a good feeling not having to deal with the continued drama. This, sadly, should've happened years ago.

I don't even care where he goes, it's 100% their roller coaster ride now.

If he popped another [censored] test, he's gonna be having lunch with Justin Blackmon wondering why they couldn't just let it go for a few years.

yeah, there's more to the story

nothing like a distraction day before the game, let the disfunction begin

It wasnt a HAMMY..

Bills, they sign all our rejects

I can't believe it's over... there has to be more to this story than just a hamstring injury, Hue seemed pretty excited about Gordon on HK.

He was fun to watch when he did play and I really hoped this time it would work out for him and the Browns. I don't want to speculate further at this point, but no matter how I look at this it is disappointing.

Are you kidding me?!? First year we have him back, and THIS?

If he didnt test positive, I'm gonna be pissed.

There was a story that he was late today? Wonder what else

The only way this makes sense is if there is another suspension looming. Can't be just because he has a hamstring issue. Not after all of the other stuff that this team supported him through.

Or he didn't fail a test but the team believes he will if his number comes up?

Sounds like Josh screwed up again... it really does.

How come I type the word Eve ends with and it's censored, she types it and it goes through?

Not fair mom!

What was it?

Oh my gosh.

Oh Lord.

What's 32 plus 16 .

times a million.

I have secret magic powers. All cusswords belong to me. Especially when we release Gordon.

Perhaps you could use them on those in Berea?

its always something

Zac Jackson
‏Verified account @AkronJackson
21m21 minutes ago

After one more time having to lie for him this morning, the Browns finally had enough. Gordon formally will be released Monday and subject to waivers.

Hope this doesn't derail the team focus ahead of the Saints game.

If he was late or tardy or generally not a good influence once he was back - then maybe this is simply Dorsey setting the tone and making an example of him? We'll find out in due course.

Yea, if it’s because he screwed up again in the way of popping hot, then this is the right thing to do.

If this is about being late to the facility, then it’s a huge WTF from Dorsey.

We better be singing dez, cause this team can’t afford to be cutting top tier talent over small infractions. Right now I don’t see a WR on our roster that can go over the top on a defense.

If Hue Jackson is letting things slip via friends and family again - I will be pissed.

What lies? Give us dirt! Dirt now!

yeah, its strange

Benjamin Allbright
‏Verified account @AllbrightNFL
1m1 minute ago

No official failed test per league source.

@MaryKayCabot reporting late + erratic behavior for Josh Gordon this AM.

so he was on something this morning

Had to have popped again. Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.

Are people really going to blame Hue and Dorsey and give Josh yet another pass?

Y'all are incredible!!!

So he acted like the bonehead he is? And everyone knows him to be?

And you cut him?

COME ON

We will see. Cause if not.....

Whatever issues he's dealing with, it must be a crappy situation to go through.

Oh what might have been....

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/09/josh_gordon_4.html


Browns releasing Josh Gordon, who showed up late and 'not himself' on Saturday
Updated 7:51 PM; Posted 7:28 PM


By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
NEW ORLEANS, La. -- The Browns are finally parting ways with troubled receiver Josh Gordon after he showed up late to the facility on Saturday morning and was 'not himself,' league sources told cleveland.com.

They're releasing him on Monday and finally closing the book on the long saga of substance abuse, suspensions, second chances and redemption.

Team doctors examined Gordon, and in addition to a hamstring issue, there was concern that perhaps he had relapsed and was struggling with his substance use again.

He was told to stay home from the team's trip to New Orleans for tomorrow's game against the Saints, and one source said he was mad at himself for letting the team down.

"This afternoon we informed Josh Gordon and his representatives that we are going to release him on Monday,'' Browns GM John Dorsey said in a statement. "For the past six years, the Browns have fully supported and invested in Josh, both personally and professionally and wanted the best for him, but unfortunately we've reached a point where we feel it's best to part ways and move forward. We wish Josh well."

Gordon just rejoined the team on Aug. 18 after spending an extended period of time in treatment at the University of Florida. The Browns welcomed him back with open arms, but reached the end of their rope with what happened on Saturday.


Gordon, 27, has been suspended for 56 of a possible 97 games in his Browns career

Why would that [censored] you off? LMAO

probably about his hamstring injury today. It sounds like he showed up possibly hung over? I'm not sure weed would make him erratic.

If he hasnt failed a test yet. I would bet a large sum of money that there will b a guy with a pee bottle knocking on his door first thing tomorrow AM. The Browns must know that he is a test failure waiting to happen.

Seems pretty obvious he had a relapse. Such a shame.

If not and I'm Jimmy, he better have walked into the facility telling people he was a piece of broccoli or something that crazy cause I'd be angry as hell with my HC and GM.

I KNEW IT !!!!

This injury thing smelt to high heaven.
The missing of camp for rehab purposes, sham!
Add these sudden injuries, I think he's mentally broken.

Gordon's talent WAS undeniable, factor in the " head case " baggage, he's not worth it.

His head is screwing the Browns plan to move forward & I'll bet that it will be only a matter of time until he pulls the same crap on another team.

My guess, cue Dez. BS!!!

Ian Rapoport
‏Verified account @RapSheet
14m14 minutes ago

On Josh Gordon: He was late today to the facility, source said. In addition, he was fine at Friday’s practice, then injured his hamstring. The question of how is part of the reason they released him. My understanding is it’s an overall trust issue for a player on thin ice.

Browns Beat Saints, post game presser every question is about Josh.

J/C

Gotta go with Vers on this one. IF JG did anything even remotely near having a drink, smoking, or taking something there's no way in hell Hue or Dorsey should be given any crap. This team has stood by Gordon long enough, and enough is enough.

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The Cleveland Browns’ seemingly never-ending patience with receiver Josh Gordon finally ran out.

Early Saturday, the team ruled Gordon out of Sunday’s game with a sudden hamstring injury. Then on Saturday evening they announced they had cut Gordon.


Notice the terseness in the statement, reminding everyone that for six years the Browns gave Gordon chance after chance, despite numerous suspensions. The end of the line came Saturday. The move will be official on Monday, ESPN’s Adam Schefter said.

Josh Gordon has been unreliable through his career
The injury news with Gordon was surprising, yet because it was Gordon, maybe it wasn’t that surprising.

Gordon wasn’t on the injury report. But on Saturday, NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport said he came in and said his hamstring wasn’t feeling good. He hurt his hamstring in August, shortly after he returned to the team following a curious hiatus from the team as training camp started.

The circumstances were highly unusual. It’s very rare a player doesn’t show up on the injury report but gets ruled out on Sunday. It was all suspicious, and then came the surprising news about Gordon’s release. You have to wonder what happened behind the scenes, because the Browns were patient with him through a lot of things more serious than a Saturday hamstring injury.

Gordon has been entirely unreliable in his career, and that goes back to his college days. He has played in just 11 games since 2013 due to various transgressions. Most of them involve failed drug tests and NFL suspensions.

In 2013, Gordon led the NFL in receiving. He’s still just 27 years old. That’s why the Browns kept giving him chances. That’s why it’s a decent bet, as long as there was no relapse by Gordon, that he’ll be given another chance.

https://sports.yahoo.com/browns-drop-bombshell-cut-receiver-josh-gordon-233227829.html

U sure he didnt lie to us Zac ... cause appearantly hitting women, getting DWI’s and being to stoned to rape women doesn’t cross the line ...

BUT u lie to King John and its ALL OVER ...


And please please don’t tell me MR. HONESTY King John hasn’t god forbid ... LIED OT US IN THE PAST ... NO WAY ...

Well ... Spirit and the other poster that hated Josh will be happy ...

You are defending Josh and bashing the Browns in this situation?

Oh man. You guys are so freaking clueless. I'm out!

Because he used his daughter to get his agenda out when the shenanigans went down last year with the trade/no trade ... and even if I think Sashi was wrong for not executing on something that was agreed upon - Hue was wrong to take to social media to air Browns laundry.

If Hue Jackson is letting things slip via friends and family again - I will be pissed.

I get that you feel obliged to protect Hue if anyone suggests anything negative about our 1-31-1 coach - but that's how I feel.

LMAO

Any Day of the Calander Year, The Cleveland Browns may cut a skilled position offensive player, which was a contributor on their team, of their own volition.

No other team in the NFL or any level of football I can think of, college, CFL, high school, arena league ?, is known for this.


Good thing they went and got a quarterback, so now they can cut all the receivers..

You just have to laugh, What happened he scored too many touchdowns.
"If you score touchdowns, you're out!"

Who are they going to cut next, Duke? He's the only one left.

Josh Gordon never fails to fail. I'm over it; time to move on.

NEXT!

Maybe it was drinking. If he took the time off to deal with a relapse of alcohol and then the team found out he had been drinking again. The team believe that Josh will not be able to control his addictions if he is not abstaining from all of them. Who knows but it is highly disappointing.

You need to calm down.

Look at the responses. Everybody is stating that if it’s drugs again then it’s the right thing to do. But being late?

Come on. So again, if this is over drugs, then yes he needed to be cut, but we can’t afford to lose proven talent on this team over being late.

I don't think any of us really hated Josh .. but you can only watch the same train wreck so many times before turning off the TV. It was time .. Had to do it before he got suspended again because you can't cut a suspended player.

We gave him several years of mulligans. If he indeed screwed up again, can you really blame the Browns for cutting their losses?

I am fine with this.

I thought we should have cut him this off-season, and this is why I thought it was stupid to rely upon him. You cannot depend upon the undependable. It never works out.

He's a talented guy, whose career will be nothing but disappointments and "what ifs".

I wonder if we coulda traded him for anything

Well, Josh does not appear to be able to handle pressure/anxiety. We still don't know why he decided to miss training camp.
But we were willing once again turn our heads.
I was fully rooting for Josh but we can finally move on and it's time too.

I think we would have if we could have.

More PT for Higgins I guess

On a big picture note, there isn’t a defense in the league scared of our WR core.

As usual.

so, now it's Landry, Higgins, Callaway ... not quite as good

If it was a failed test and they knew it and he was going to be suspended again, then he needed to go.
Almost anything else, they needed to sit back and analyze before they cut. maybe try to get something for him or make an example of him another way.

because he was late and not himself. I am going to need a little more information on that one

He’s done ...

He’ll never play on an NFL field again ..

Wonder what he’s doing right now ... wonder if he’s blowing the rest of last weeks game check on whatever his choice of poison is ...

Good luck Josh .. u and your children are gonna need it dude ..

Higgins and Callaway will have to step up this week.

Man, what a waste Gordon turned out to be. What a shame. The guy has all the talent you could want, and no ability to stay clean. (which, face it, this has to be. There aren't a lot of other good answers here)

Reports indicate he was late and wasn't acting "right".. Hammy was fine last night after practice... It was time guys. I loved Josh but the team just cant depend on him. See YA. Next man up!..

yea ninth strike he is done , wasted talent

This is no surprise to me at all.

I am listening to Adam Schftner and it was an accumulation of many things.

His teammates and coaches have to depend upon each other.

He is just not dependable. Nice guy. Tough story. Wish him well. But this team at this time had to move on.

I completely agree with Dorsey on this decision.

Sad to see... sounds like he can't stay clean... time to move on

Cutting there losses? ... DUDES DONE ...

We did the right things every step of the way in this case ...

No reason to let him go til now ..

Some posters looked at him as a distraction ... i looked at him like a BONUS if he ever did get straight .. he was a FREE ROLL ...

Its not like we didn’t adress the WR position this off season ... i’m not sure what else the “whiners” wanted us to do ...

King John did what he could this off season to adress the position ... not sure what others think he should have done .. i certainly have no clue ...

Josh was a FREE ROLL that didn’t pay off ...

Had he paid off it would have been ONE HELL OF A FREE ROLL PAYOUT ...

Good Luck Josh ... you and your kids are gonna need it ...

sometimes a coach/GM/parent/etc just "knows" when it's time to let it go

The only other thing I am thinking is that maybe there is a down side to Dorsey as the GM.

Unfortunately, it appears Josh still dealing with substance abuse.

An outstanding talent being thrown away. In all honesty, the Browns probably should have moved on from him the same time they did Manziel.

The child support payments just got tougher.

Onward and upward for the Browns.

Kudos to this front office doing what probably should have been done 4 years ago. Wonder if we will bring in dez now

He's no nonsense like Mangini, but more willing to take a flyer on questionable character guys. I'm okay with that.

We often seem to have such a talented group in May.

At LAST!!!

Glorious Day!

The Josh Gordon Drama Train that the Browns Braintrust WILLFULLY chose to ride in the vain, false hope of building a real NFL receiver corps... that train has derailed and plunged into the abyss. Hurrah!


NOW!

FINALLY!!!

The Browns have no choice but to build up a proper NFL receiver corps. No longer will the fools rule! No longer will the Browns be blinded by false hope, false promises, false expectations, and false receiver messiahs.

The REAL messiah, known as REALITY, is finally come to save us from the endless cycle of Browns front office receiver stupidity.

We welcome you, Glorious REALITY Messiah!!!!

j/c...

Adam Schefter Verified account
@AdamSchefter
already calling the Browns, who league sources believe are far more likely to trade Josh Gordon than release him.

Gordon is a vested vet and is not subject to waivers. So if he is cut, he is a free agent and can sign where he wants, for what he wants.

A lot at stake.

Tweet

Per Adam Schefter

Josh Gordon hurt his hamstring at a promotional shoot, not at practice, per source.

If he relapsed .. i’m Fine with it ..

If he didn’t .. im not defending Josh but i’m Certainly PEED at Dorsey ..

U wanna cut bait with him .. ok .. i get it .. but if he didnt relapse he had TRADE VALUE at the least ...

If he didnt relapse .. this is TWO HORRIBLE MOVES in a row by King John ...

PS. How does being peed at King John equal sticking up for Josh? ...

Yeah another 7th rounder maybe

We should be able to find out in the next few days if he was using again with the next drug test he takes, but I don't know how often he takes them, so maybe not?

Please trade him; at least we can choose where he goes...I don't want to see him go to the Patriots or Ravens

just clicking...



I think the above information from a story above gives us enough to know why Gordon is being released.

He shows up complaining of his hammy the day before a game, and the doctors did a bit more than check his hammy. In Gordon's case, looks like he just ran out of chances with the Browns.

CONGRATS DAWG ...

I'll just keep it as this...

As much as Dorsey loves getting even a 7th round pick in return for anyone, there was no takes for him at even that rate....I'd bet money on that.

I have given up on Gordon years ago, and now we can move on from the drama.

I'm not sure if we are going to go the Dez Bryant route...there is actually a decent pile of FA WRS...but all of them have not been signed because of reasons, Dez included. (I know Lafell got picked up a week or two ago, but I forget who signed him)

Now the trade route...I'm just trying to think...Actually the dark horse may indeed be Devante Parker...The front office there isn't really thrilled with him, and considering they dont have a lot of cap and we have more than anyone I can see a line...They also inked Amendola, Grant, re-signed Stills...so they have some guys already. In addition I think a later round pick will get Devante. Now coming out I thought Parker reminded me a lot of Crabtree (not a blazer, but can move the chains because of his size and hands) Now also like Crabtree he has had multiple lower leg injuries (and I think broke his pinky a couple weeks ago) Injuries have been his weakness...he is somewhat soft for his size in addition. Remember we traded with Miami earlier this year, and I'm sure Jarvis will share his insight with coaches. Though it's pure speculation, Parker is one of the few WRs I've heard of being possible traded this summer...

All I know is Higgins and Calloway are going to be in trouble facing #2 and #3 corners and coverage...I'll take the opposing defense every time on them...Be really horrid if anyone gets injured (Jarvis included) We will be hopeless out there. Anyone know of any WRs that may get shopped?

If he wasnt using, he probably will. He has a fragile mental state and I'm sure this won't help.

Preach it, bra!

I might ding Hue a bit for being all school girl giddy on Hard Knocks at the mention of Gordon's return, but he and Dorsey more than make up for their foolish infatuation by doing the right thing for the Browns.

as always, there's A LOT surrounding Josh

It's always something with this team. Hopefully this can be the start of a new chapter, but I fear not.

They should have done this ages ago. One more point for Dorsey IMHO.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1041119612149145601

yikes

Would be nice to have a week without drama.

I love Josh Gordon irrationally. At some point there had to be a point of no return.

Need to sign Dez Bryant immediately.

I think that's how the FO has to feel. I bet a weight is lifted off their shoulders

I wanted him to succeed, but I am fine with this. It appears the lie they had to tell was that he hurt his hammy at practice. Now they are reporting it happened at a promotional shoot. My question is what was the promotion? Was he trying to sell his "Flash" apparel?

Then they say he was late and "not himself"? Sounds like our boy got his first game check and fell off the wagon. I can't see Dorsey just dropping him that quick for just being late. I got a feeling he was a big part of the game plan, and this supposed injury that happened ,not at practice, made it so he couldn't play. Maybe he tried to self medicate. They did report that team doctors checked him. If he could play, I think they would have waited, it's the day before the game.


Isn't against the rules to report he failed a test without permission from the league? I think come Monday the whole story will come out. I se Dorsey calling Dez back. He now can come in and be the #1 like I'm sure he wanted.

Start Higgins. Groom Callaway. Sign Dez.

Move on and build the talent.


This season could get ugly quick, sadly.

Tyrod plays poorly. They lose this week.Then lose to Darnold?

Baker gets rushed. Not good.

I sure hope it doesn't go that way.

One game in. Please don't panic.

That seems to make the most sense right now.

Even if we sign Dez, How many weeks will he be behind in the scheme of things (This goes for anyone we sign or trade for) Going to have to depend on Higgins and Calloway a lot at least for the next several weeks.

Jets defense will be drooling to go against our WR core.

yeah, bad timing with two gmes in 4 days

Was that over the top?

I can never tell...

Y'know what, Josh wasn't that big a factor in moving the ball last week, had only one catch that I can remember (the touch down) so it's not like we're missing much.

Our guys can catch, we don't have to have glorious 60 yard receptions, just need to keep moving the ball down the field so we can rest the defense, and score touch downs.

We'll be fine./

I don't think Gordon being cut is going to derail anything. He was not here for preseason, and they did fine. If anything, I think this solidifies the team more. This was the group that worked together in camp, trying hard to push Gordon back into the mix probably was not a good thing for the locker room, especially the WR room.


In Haley's presser he was adamant about "players" missing long periods of time. I thought he sounded as if Gordon was not doing the right things Sunday. Just a guess, but just maybe, that had something to do with the offensive struggles in the passing game.

Please nooooo.

More drama and little production. Missed all of training camp and preseason to get in football shape.

Let the WRs on our team use this opportunity to grow.

This is the way to go.

I think our current WRs will be fine. I am also ok with adding Dez for some depth, and work him in on a few plays until he gets up to speed, however long that takes.

You guys questioning Dorsey or the Browns on this move are hilarious.
Gordon didn't miss training camp to get his head straight and his hamstring injury sounds about like Manziel's concussion when he showed up hungover to practice. The guy is 100% no doubt about it still on the sauce. You don't just release a guy of Gordon's talent with no compensation unless he's damaged goods, Dorsey is not an idiot.

Well it sounds like we are going to trade him, so there's that.

Wonder if there are any WR out there we can pick up

Lol, bone, but you're the guy sounding panicked.

There were some whispers that the staff was concerned with his lack of separation last week

Where did you see that?

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1041126582046412801

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1041123075536904192

we'll see if there's any bite

Belichick is picking up his phone right now. He probably already called 'em.

Well if we can make our problem someone else's problem and get something for it then hooray for that.

The more I read about this, it was after the medical staff saw him, and were concerned that he might be back on the sauce. I doubt any team gives the Browns much for him. Even Belichek got to see that the kid is helpless. Someone will wait until he is cut, then offer him a one year deal. My guess is he never plays again.

too bad we couldnt have traded him a while back

More will surface regarding Gordon.

But I agree that Gordon was on the outside looking in.

The team practiced and prepared. Gordon was not a part of that.

So maybe now they will come together and take on a true team personality.

someone might not want to wait or want to negotiate with him. Although this all feels moot since Dorsey already released an announcement saying that Gordon is no longer on the team. I assume we got some phone calls at that point.

Reading the Bills fourms they are freaking out on how to sign him, lolololol

we'll trade him IMO ... to someone in the NFC

Trade him to the highest bidder.

What's that quote? One man's misery is another man's mystery.

my guess: Seattle

No sir .. i’m Happy for u ... your a class act ...

I’m not sure how this makes our team better but she is what she is ...

We shall see.

I see talent but I see how things may go.


It is not a forecast. More a precaution.


I want to win so badly. However, I see some signs that are like flashing caution lights.

I'm bummed out this all happened but we gave Josh every opportunity and then some. He has no one to blame but himself.

Big disappointment.

In the short term, cutting Gordon neither helps nor hurts the team. He just was not going to be the big impact player that people hoped for. Just a "meh" player at best.

In the long term, it helps the Browns. The Browns front office now realizes that they need to go out and find a reliable #1 receiver, instead of hoping beyond hope year after year after year that maybe, just maybe, Josh will bother to show up and spare them all that effort.

Clarity is a good thing. Dorsey is now on the clock to get a #1 receiver and everybody knows it.

wouldn't be surprised

To me he was a FREE ROLL ... we had zero TO LOSE ...

If he relapsed i’m Good with this ...

If he didn’t relapse it was DUMB as hell and we best trade him ...

If not after what we did with Kendricks I’m gonna start wondering if Dorsey’s bi-polar ... *L* ...

The NFL is probably not the place for a guy with an addiction problem. It may also be a pain management problem. They need to stop testing for weed already. It's not a performance enhancer.

What could have been...SMH.

Understand the move, but still disappointed that the potential won't be realized here.

Question: Trades in the NFL are contingent upon a player passing the teams physical, correct? I would assume that the physical would include a urinalysis test, no? I ask because I thought it odd that they would just release him when he seemed to have some trade value.

And it's a Damn shame that all the support the Browns gave Josh.. That in week 2 the let down has already happened.

I was a big supporter of Josh.. But I'am a bigger supporter of the Brown and Orange. Not into the Josh drama anymore.

It's BS that Josh put Dorsey in this position. I fully support Dorsey on this...100 percent

We haven't released him yet.

Eventually you have to avoid the sunken cost fallacy, but what a shame. If he didn’t fail a test this is a hard one to swallow; after all the waiting and hoping he gets cut for being late?! I get it, his fault, but just another bummer in a crappy chapter of Browns history.

It’s amazing how quickly the mood can go from highly optimistic to “how about that 2019 draft?” in a short couple of weeks. From thinking we had a very good receiving Corp and good talent at LB to losing Coleman, Kendricks and Gordon in short order.

We lost Coleman, but are we missing him? My best guess NE cuts him soon too.

So disappointed. He had such natural talent that can never be taught or one can train to achieve.

I'll never forget that catch against Talib, where after catching a short slant, he just pushes him and then blows by him for the length of the field. It will be so tantalizing to forever think of what could have been....

In any event, he is a human and makes human mistakes. Let's all hope for the best for him (and the rest of our receiving corps).

I personally never felt Coleman was a good receiver.. Kendricks was a one year deal and Gordon was exactly what Gordon was..

It's a easy move on from those three players...

Poor Gordon, another victim of the Cleveland Curse.

I hope for he and his family’s sake he manages to get clean soon.

Hard to even call this a loss no more than JG was here and on the field. I had hoped for 2013 JG this year but not on another team. That said, I'll wait until we know more to decide who is the turd in this punch bowl. I do know that if we don't win this year it won't be because of this.

They have to cut Coleman to make room for Gordon.

If TT looks bad again tomorrow, they can package the two and ship them together as far as I'm concerned.

Who were rthe bills making room for when they cut Coleman ...

We know that at least some of Josh's suspensions have been for more than "just pot". (by his own admission)

I see no way the Browns blow him out the door for something minor. Not after all they had invested in him. There's more to the story.

We cut Coleman cuz he's no good. Buffalo then cut him. I don't miss Corey frikking Coleman

As far as football goes, Gordon isn't a victim of anyone but himself and his poor choices in his life.

Also, the Cleveland Curse ended when the Cavs won it all a little bit back, didn't it?

suddenly the ferry has taken on more water

I didn't hate meat, I just saw him for what he was. A meathead. A loser. It's his nature. Could have been one of the greatest receivers to play the game. Talented beyond the wildest dreams. Instead, he was an imbecile. Dead from the neck up.

I am very surprised they did this. I would have done it long ago. I would most certainly have done it after he sprung the "I won't be attending camp" surprise on the team this Summer. That should have been it right then.


Buh bye meathead. Don't let the door hit you on the butt on the way out...

we're NOT gonna need a bigger boat.

I just don't know if I've ever seen a player with THIS much baggage that surrounds him ... and it's NON STOP

Again, JG was on the field so little that this really is no loss talentwise. We all know his potential but the last time it was displayed was 2013. What we are really losing is hoping to have a great WR not a great WR.

I'm not happy about this and have always defended JG, but I'm not unrealistic about his current value to the team either.

I'm not saying you're wrong for having that opinion, but I think the situation was more complicated then him just being a meathead.

I feel empathy for him, and I'm disappointed, but I'm glad to be done with all the BS.

Josh Gordon bids farewell to Cleveland

Mike Florio
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On Monday, the Browns officially will move on from receiver Josh Gordon. On Saturday night, Gordon said farewell to Cleveland.


“Huge s/o to the city of Cleveland, this place will always feel like home to me,” Gordon said on Instagram, via Mary Kay Cabot of Cleveland.com. “I’m extremely honored and blessed to have been able to grow up and start a life amongst such a passionate and motivated group of individuals. It’s been a hell of a journey with you guys. I wish all of you nothing but the best. Thanks to the @ClevelandBrowns organization for having me, I’ll never forget my time here. ‘Same book, next chapter.’ P.S. Anyone need a deep threat WR??”

As to that last point, the answer is, “Hell yes.” The question becomes whether someone will roll the dice on a player who eventually ran out of second chances with the team that made him a second-round pick in the supplemental draft.

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I’d really HATE to be in a fox hole with u and a bunch of others in this forum ...

You and a few others have all ready given up on OSU and there down 1 score with well over a quarter to go ...

The ferry’s fine ... we still have SOME TALENT ... hopefully our team isn’t full of QUITTERS that throw the towel in when adversity strikes ..

He’ll be scoring touchdowns for someone else by week 4.

If your only hope for the season was meathead you are very naive. How many times can it be said? Never count on Josh Gordon! I have a lot of hope for this season and more so now that the huge distraction is over. We HAVE a great WR. A guy that WANTS it. Once the offense gels Landry will show why we brought him here. I'd take one Landry over 100 meatheads. Let's celebrate a player that did show up for camp. Did bust his butt all Summer to be the best he could be for us.

If our team isn’t full of a BUNCH OF QUITTERS we still have some TALENT ...

Talk to me after week 4 ...

No worries, u and the rest of the quitters will be welcome and we’ll have some labbats or molson for u dawg ...

As the legendary baseball coach Tommy Lasorda once said drugs are a weakness and not a disease. It is clear JG has the physical talent to play in the NFL but not the fortitude.

The ferry is not only taking on water, it just hit an iceberg.

And the captain's drunk.

The foxhole is now just scorched earth, after enemy fire left it nothing but a burned-up gaping sinkhole filled with body parts.

Still, we beat the Saints tomorrow, 27-20.

But if he could smoke, would he need the other stuff?

He's struggling after his first game getting hit. Yes, he can take pain pills within NFL rules, but as an addict do you open that door?

Trying to read between the lines a little bit. Taking an NFL beating has to be tough for someone battling addiction.

So what? Week after that he has a hammy, or a failed drug test, or doesn't feel like showing up. This was obviously the last straw in a string of unacceptable behavior just since the beginning of camp. His past aside, he wasn't able to pull his weight on a team that isn't putting up with slackers, jerkoffs or dipsharts. I was pulling for him, but if Dorsey says he's gone, you can bet he has a damn good reason for it.

JMHO

It's interesting to speculate, and we might soon know more, but it seems it was simply time to move on.

Doesn’t seem he failed a test. Every other time he’s gone away he’s been quiet on IG and Twitter. Of course, I don’t know anything and more may come out but it seems after all the time/patience/hope invested in him, right when it finally seemed maybe the Browns and the fans would finally enjoy a return on this incredibly frustrating investment, he was cut for something other than drugs. I’m not saying it was the wrong move: just saying it sucks. You can look at it two ways: 1) why keep him through all the other bs then cut him for this (if it’s only the hammy/tardy issue) or 2) after all the bs, you have to say enough is enough...

And thats why you’ll always be welcome on the Isle ... *L*

PS. I would never trust Josh with one of my ferries so chances are the captain isn’t drunk ...

just a month ago the homers were proclaming how the Browns
had the best WR core in the NFL.
what did Jarvis Landry proclaim " we will score 40 a game"
this news on Gordon is not helping a franchise mirred in a
1 for 32 slump.
this franchise needs a real injection of positive energy real soon

I've been a Browns fan for 30 years. That sound like quitter to you?

Btw, when I said 'the captain's drunk', I wasn't referring to you, just the captain of the fictional boat headed to a fictional island. Lol

We did genius, mind telling us why you couldn't get your life together for the people that worked so hard to help you get here?

And those of us who were rooting for you to pull through?

I wish I could click like a million times, couldn't agree more.

J/c

I hope Anthony Calloway is the next Larry Fitzgerald.

All 31 teams are trying to get him

that won't happen.

that won't happen.

That was my bad, I staunchly vouched for Josh, and he let me down. I really wanted to get behind a redemption story. I called a few people out for lack of faith, and you guys were right.

I was wrong, and many posters were right.

‘Same book, next chapter.’ No

Browns reached out to Dez Bryant this week
https://247sports.com/Article/Dez-Bryant-reached-out-by-Browns-121947123/

Raiders Bills Bears Dallas NE Rams my list of landing spots

This makes a ton of sense now. A ton. Higgins and Callaway are unreliable at best. With that said, the knock on Dez Bryant in Dallas is that he didn't know the playbook (among various other things). How quick can he learn the playbook without camp?

As much as Josh did.

That injection is Baker Mayfield but Hue Jackson is not man enough to play him.

LOL. Yeah, he had no problems until he got to Cleveland

No affect on the ferry or the isle. We were all too seasoned to rely on that flake.

Glad it's over, time to move on.

Here's something for the few remaining Josh Honks to seriously contemplate.

Since 2014, over the past five NFL seasons including the current one, Josh Gordon's stats are as follows:

• Games Played: 11 (Out of 65 games scheduled)
• Receptions: 43
• Receptions per Game: 3.9
• Targets: 93
• Receptions per Target: 0.46
• Targets per Game: 8.5
• Total Yards: 655
• Yards per Reception: 15.2
• Yards per Game: 59.5
• Touchdowns: 2
• Receiving First Downs: 29
• Receiving First Downs per Game: 2.6
• Fumbles: 0

If we project these stats out over a full 16 game season, here is what we get:

• Receptions: 63
• Targets: 135
• Total Yards: 953
• Touchdowns: 3
• Receiving First Downs: 42
• Fumbles: 0

I get that the whole "projection over 16 games" is a bit of mathematical hooey, but it does indicate just how woeful Josh Gordon's performance has been since his big 2013 season.

Don't lament the loss of talent with the cutting of Josh Gordon. Josh has not come anywhere near fulfilling his admittedly awesome potential for a long time now. It is sadly doubtful that he ever will.

Gordon was with the team during minicamp and OTAs, that’s a huge leg up.

I came up with meathead after he got pulled over for a DUI with drugs in the car while awaiting a suspension appeal hearing. He might as well have walked into Goodell's office and taken a big dump on his desk. That was so incredibly stupid I dubbed him meathead. He earned it. Only a person that is dead from the neck up would throw away what could have been a HOF career. He had the talent. He had the athletic ability to be one of the best ever. Stupid doesn't cover it... damned shame.

Good grief! The man must have some mental problems.

I'll tell you this, if it turns out he DID NOT fail a test and we let him go anyways I dont think that was the best move. If he is still clean then why drop him? I understand he was late to practice, but it has to be baby steps with him. Just staying clean is a huge step forward

I am still thinking that, even if he did not fail a test, the team has reason to believe he will fail one if it is administered. Or, he left for the month due to alcohol use and a concern that said use could lead to using other stuff. After all of that, if he showed up Saturday hungover and late I think the team could have finally had enough.

I find it very difficult to respond to you. As I think the whole nickname thing is very immature and honestly if I were running the board I would probably ban you. But, I am not and so it is what it is. I did not say that my only hope was Josh Gordon. You may want to read the actual quote before throwing around insults. What I said/ meant was that just prior to TC I was very happy with our WR Corp as a whole. I never knew that Coleman was the problem off the field that he turns out to be. Injury prone, yes and,while not worth the 1st round pick we used to draft him, would be a good number 3 Wr. This along with a finally clean, healthy and focused Josh Gordon and the addition of Landry! Things seemed to be looking up. I also though Kendricks looked like he was going to be a force at LB and felt good about our LBs. Not saying I don’t understand why all of these guys where let go but it does really wreck some of the optimism for this year.
And there is little doubt in my mind that a healthy, clean Gordon, a healthy and focused Coleman and a non felon Kendricks had the potential to make the Browns a better team. But, congratulations on being right about Gordon.

Diam ... I can really appreciate your optimism and mindset this season. I like that you are set on being part of the "change" in attitude around our franchise. But to call me a quitter is not correct; in fact, I'm one of the most loyal and mentally strong people that I know ... to a fault. Do I get frustrated with our team's lack of success? Of course. But I'm not a quitter, not irrational, and am as loyal as it gets.

NFL Week 2 News & Notes: Browns Want Josh Gordon Trade Offers


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Plus, why teams might be less willing to take on Gordon now than they would be in the offseason, one Viking who could cause plenty of problems for Aaron Rodgers, Mariota’s grip, injury issues in the NFC South, Detroit’s problems and more

ALBERT BREER Sunday September 16th, 2018

1. The Browns’ decision to announce WR Josh Gordon’s pending release is a de facto smoke signal to the other 31 teams: Make us an offer. And it’s smart business. Cleveland has seemingly given Gordon a million second chances. If they can get a return—however small—and determine his destination in order to minimize the chance this comes back to haunt them directly, that’s their right. Obviously, there are plenty of people in the organization rooting for Gordon to get his act together, but business is business.


2. As for teams looking to acquire Gordon, there are lots of questions to answer, and obvious ones concerning his late arrival to training camp, the nature of his last couple days in Cleveland, and where he is personally after all this. And then there’s this point that one exec raised to me on Saturday night: Taking a risk on a guy is different in September as opposed to March. You have fewer roster spots, and disruptions are magnified since every week is a game week. That’s something any team has to take into account on Gordon.

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the problem is, I don't even know what a team would/could offer for him ... you'd think it'd be a conditional pick, but who knows

Too bad. Such an incredibly physically gifted athlete.

But excelling at the pro level is "90% mental".

I really hope he gets a handle on his addiction/life.
I have many friends who have...I've buried friends who didn't.

As our Coordinators state though..."Next Man Up!"

Decide. Act. Move on. Get something in a trade. Get something for his roster spot. I wish him well. Get a player who is full time in there.

Prayers for Josh ...

Man, he had the world in his hands. Sad to see someone just give it away.

I was sorry to hear about the release. I was rooting for Josh and was hoping he could put his problems behind him and help us win. Something had to have happened and the Browns said enough is enough. Josh was part of the old regimes and the negativity. Our current FO is trying to put all that behind us. Josh was given a chance with our new FO and failed somehow. John Dorsey won't tolerate the nonsense and distractions and shouldn't. JG 's production over the past 4 years can be filled. I wish him well and good luck to whomever he signs with. They'll need it.

I think Josh never really dedicating himself to the playbook
was the final straw.
Todd Haley I think had alot of say in this move

Dawg .... U SUNK MY FERRY ... thats not quitting? .... *L* ...



With all my fictional friends ... ...

I said I was gonna have fun .. i ain’t letting this detour me ... NOT A SHOT IN HELL ..

HERE WE GO BROWNIES HERE WE GO ..

Now, Do u prefer Labbats or Molson ...

I think he knew the playbook (look at his comments in Hard Knocks regarding it), but he was on a "I'll support you, but the leash is extra short given your past" and the hamstring pull at a non-practice event was all that was needed with this endless troubled kid to push the staff over.

I can't wait until this thread locks up and I don't have to see it anymore, I've moved on the second it was made public. I didn't like talking about the kid when he was on the team.

YO CAP ... make sure u got some molsons and labbats for lamp at YOUR OCEANSIDE BAR and LOUNGE ... he’s gonna need it ...

Did u name it Cap’s Tiki Bar? ...

Bottom line bro ... lookingback at his entire life since day 1 in college ... and I wouldn’t imagine HS was real pretty either ...

Calling him meathead is an insult to meatheads ...

Dudes got issues ... i hope he didnt relapse ... wouldn’t wish that on anyone ... his family needs him ..

Good Luck Josh ...

Yep. For years, every time there was a Josh Gordon thread or post we got that "please don't be another screw up" feeling in our craw before opening it. Time to move on.

From everything I've seen, nothing is referencing drug issue/relapse.

But it's early.

j/c...
didn't read any posts as I'm in a rush.

Gordon... F-him as he has shown nothing but F-us including teammates fans and the organization.

In hard knocks I could tell that Dorsey did not share the enthusiasm regarding Josh Gordon that Hue did. But it was a hard time and place with Hue losing his brother and mom but you can tell Dorsey was holding back on Josh.

From what I understand Gordon was doing a PROMO shoot...you know me, me stuff and tore his hamstring.

This after we named his the starting WR along side Landry for the Saints game. So this was the perverbial LAST STRAW for Dorsey who won't take crap from anyone.

The only negative I have regarding the Browns was that we are not going to get a Draft pick in his stead.

But possibly we will be as who knows teams might be contacting us as they don't wish to bid for his services in FA. So possibly the door is not closed on that.

I'm just thinking that we could trade something to the Redskins or something like that.

You know if FA probably the Patriots as a landing point.

Good luck Josh but we had enough of you.

I have always maintained that no team ever built their team around a WR. An amazing talent but as a "TEAM" you first need a Good-Great QB. Then 5 solid WRs that have good hands, run good routes and work hard and unselfishly.

Landry, Duke, Higgins Calloway and one of the youngsters will step up like Ratley.

Also it would not surprise me one bit if we end up signing Dez Bryant...who never had a suspension problem and works hard and is that miss match in the Red Zone.

I like Dorsey and this is him all over. We will not miss a beat, it is a shame that we never got to see his value.

All the best but don't let the door hit you in the butt as you leave.

jmho

Sorry .... I shouldn’t have called u a quitter ... i got caught up in the heat of the moment ... i’m actually still venting over Kendricks ... u guys can talk to me til your blue in the face .. it makes NO SENSE ... NONE ...

He’s added players that have the moral character of Satan and he cuts a guy for lying ... he has the conscience of a catholic bishop ...

None of that gives me the right to call u a quitter ... i apologize ...

I bet Tom.Heckert is laughing from his grave now

They deleted but this franchise is incredible

https://twitter.com/SeanPullins/status/1041312666843795457

I hope the intern keeps their job and posts a picture of AJ McCarron to announce trade deadline day.

The best ability is availibility. Gordon should have been sent packing long ago. He doesn't deserve the patience the Browns or the league has shown him. He will not be missed.

Steve Smith pretty much nailed it.

-jc-

Ever since he posted instagram pics early in the year of his browns gear in the trash with poop emojis, I knew he didn’t want to be here.

The sabbatical he took during camp was probably a move he hoped would get him cut.

Then Hue sat him for a few series in the opener and the rest of the game he ran Go routes but was only targeted 3 times.

This “hamstring injury” has all the feelings of the Hillis’ strep Throat and the team sees through it as well and had enough.

Sucks for the team, we can really use a player with his talents but we don’t need his baggage. Don’t let the door hit your behind on the way out Josh.

(Obviously the above is purely my opinion and how I perceive the situation)

Yes, I'm not Steve Smith's biggest fan but he nailed it.

Are you talking about Gordon or Kendricks?

Kendricks .. yeah there is some questionable decision making there and you have some valid points... maybe Dorsey figured we don't need a distraction? idk.

Gordon? He's had many chances and he's still letting the team down. That's not about character that's about him failing to do turn up, show up and make football his #1 priority (along with his substance abuse issues - which will always be the true #1 priority)

Wait, if that was the plan, the number one potential player to grow would have been Corey Coleman.

So a little forethought would have been nice.

So the Browns? Can't deal with Corey Colemans issues, or Josh Gordons issues, or
Joe Hadens, or Terrelle Pryors, or a bunch of others.

Browns need to learn to keep their team together.

Browns need to learn how to select players that aren't morons/druggies (JG), injured all the time (Haden/Coleman reference) or someone who thinks after one year at WR should get paid and given a huge, multi year contract (Pryor).

I feel the same way... But being a big supporter of Josh I still feel the need to know what exactly went down. Knowing the whole story sometimes helps with the closure.

I'm also not the biggest Hue supporter... I have started this season with a clean view of him and I have given him my support and positive input.

This situation is no good for Hue to have to go through the organization and the fans. I'm taking this season game by game. Not looking forward weeks ahead...

If Hue is being successful week by week then that means the team is being successful which means I'm enjoying the games.

This isn't a one time.." Ooops your late Josh,don't do it again " This is an on going occurrence that needs to come to a stop now so this Organization can focus on winning.

I was really hoping to get through one damn season without a Josh Gordon incident or some kind of drama that keeps that same old feeling of negativity around.

In order to create success there has to be people to be successful... I'm not sure That was Josh's intentions. Never the less I feel there are players on this team...coaches on this team..and people in the FO that want to be successful.

Those are the ones who will help turn this franchise around. Big game today against the Saints... That's where my focus will be. Man how a win today would be so what we all need.

Kendricks ... i’m having a real hard time getting over that one ... he was HUGE for this team .. HUGE ... now he’s gonna be eligible to play the entire year and just shy of the SB right now ...

If we cut Gordon and he doesn’t get suspended i’m Gonna just write it off as Dorsey being bi-polar ..

If we get something for him in a trade ... i’ll Be fine with it ...

Although if he didnt repapse all ready and were gonna try and trade him .. we sure handled this REALLY BADLY ... we just told teams to low ball the hell out of us ... *L* ..

Bye

U mean guys like Calloway and Harrison? ... u mean the bi-polar one oughta quit drafting or counting on dudes like that ...

Its WHO DORSEY IS ... we actually got WAY WORSE in that regard ....

Calloway’s all ready started down that rabbit hole ...

j/c:

I find it irritating that our fans are blaming Dorsey and/or Hue. I think this organization put up w/a ton of crap from Josh Gordon. The guy messed-up and lied about it over and over and over again.

I don't think the team is parting ways w/Josh because of one little incident. I think it is an accumulation of incidents and the team finally figured out that he was toxic to the culture of the team and that counting on him was impossible.

I imagine there all kinds of little incidents that we don't have a clue about. I think this move is all about Josh and not Hue talking to the media or Dorsey being bi-polar. It's about Josh being unreliable and untrustworthy.

I totally agree, the Callaway pick was something I never supported. Stop selecting creeps you morons. Do kids turn around? Yes. Do people deserve a second chance? Yes. But at some point in time you gotta realize it don't work for us.

Someone (forgive I don't recall the name) said the best ability is availability. It's the utter 100% truth.

I can agree with you on kendricks. Not the rest. I don't have a problem taking uber talented but flawed picks late in the draft.... But that doesn't give them a pass to be tardy or a distraction. Having a low tolerance for making bad choices and trying to shape a team into having attitude and commitment is a long slow process from where we were and it doesn't happen by making compromises.


let's see what comes out about Gordon, I'm sure it be a trend of tardiness, bad choices by Gordon. Jmo

And I've been a long supporter of the guy.

While the Hue and Dorsey bashing on this thread is rather silly, I don't see all that much of it around here.

Versatile, take a trip outside our neighborhood and go skim the Josh Gordon thread in the Watercooler on the OBR. There are a LOT more Gordon honks over there trashing Hue and most especially Dorsey and those weed hatin' meanies in the NFL League Office.

Really folks, DawgTaklers.net is a pretty sane and sensible Browns forum as such things go. The culture is a lot more toxic and stupid in other places.

The rumors are saying quite a few teams are interested but what does that mean? A conditional 7th?

The Kendricks fiasco has us looking very “Browns”. Announcing we’re cutting Josh AND then trying to trade him looks even worse. I want to stay positive but this team keeps finding new ways to look like morons.

Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe this is how a changed front office acts when they’re done with all the drama (Hendricks & Gordon) and poor play (Coleman). Cut and move on. But I can’t help wonder if there were better ways to do this.

Nah, won't be going back to the Watercooler. That place is full of ignorant loud-mouths. This board is far superior to that cesspool .

J/C

As one of the posters who vehemently defended the decision to keep Gordon, and supported all efforts to do so, I must admit feeling a sense of relief that this is finally happening. Dorsey is ripping off the band-aid: It'll still momentarily, but in the long run it will avoid the hassle.

Gordon's talent is undeniable, but the returns just haven't matched the talent. We've spent the last four years in awe of his 2013 season, but in the entire time since that phenomenal breakout, Gordon has given the Browns less than 350 yards receiving.

It sounds like enough was enough. Although he didn't put a foot wrong in terms of substance issues (So far, that's what is being reported) what becomes a more serious issue is that he was late to meetings, injured in promotion and the Browns felt he wasn't attacking his injury treatments and recovery the way he should. For all of Gordon's off the field issues, it's an even greater issue if he's not working hard or not fighting to put no foot wrong in his return to the field.

I am a little frustrated that the WR position feels like it has gone from a position of strength to a position of weakness. Landry, Higgins and Callaway aren't exactly defined - and in spite of their issues, Gordon and Coleman felt at least somewhat comfortable as depth. Ratley and Willies are rookies who don't feel ready to step up in the event of injury.

I wish Josh all the best. I want to see him have success and get his life in order. It's just a damn shame it couldn't happen in Cleveland.

We can say this: Nobody can ever say the Browns didn't give him a fair chance to be the receiver we know he can be. He has been with the team since 2012. Enough was enough.

I support Dorsey fully in this move. I do, however, hope that a trade can be worked out prior to his release. Getting something, anything, would be nice.

Why is that moronic? It's being widely reported there are as many as five teams sniffing around for a potential trade. Letting teams know that it's now or never to make an offer is a really smart move.

It also smacks of wanting to help Gordon. It hasn't been explicitly stated, but I get the feeling the Browns are willing to release Gordon if there isn't a trade opportunity that 1) Doesn't return great value and, 2) Isn't what Gordon wants.

So, for example, I feel like Dorsey would rather release Gordon than trade him for a 7th if Gordon isn't comfortable for him.

Everyone in Berea likes Gordon. All of them want what is best for him and don't want to see him flush is life down the crapper. It just seems the teams doesn't want to deal with it anymore: Doesn't mean they don't care.

I feel like the statement says one thing and one thing only: "Pony up now, or we'll do what is right by Josh."

I dunno about that, seems to me like they'd take a couple pirogies for him now.

Looks more like enough is enough to me.

And I advocated for him to be here as much as any Gordon fan.

I agree, it adds a sense of "now or never". Josh's contract is extremely team friendly for the next two years (this season plus RFA). I think that is worth a draft pick vs. negotiating with him on the open market. If he screws up on the current contract (again) - so what?

Someone will think they can do better than the Browns did with him.

J/C

Not entirely on topic, but I also think the team wants to use Hollywood Higgins more.

He's a consistent example of a guy who does things the right way. Incredible player but dropped in the draft because he lacked athleticism. He was the last of the receivers drafted, but got a reputation for his hard work and his high character. He ended up on the practice squad, but the Browns brought him back in because he earned that opportunity. In year two, that translated to an impressive leap. This year he came back bigger, faster and more defined in his overall abilities. He very quickly earnt first team reps after, by many accounts, solidifying himself as Baker Mayfield's top target, combining to consistently annihilate the second team. He put together a great camp and preseason. In week one, he had an awesome 38 yard catch.

I think the team wants to get him out there a little more. He's flashed talent this year, and going with the hot is the reasonable thing to do.

I'm a big fan of Higgins, and it seems he's earned the opportunity to show what he can do.

Mary Kay Cabot was on WTAM's pre-game show this morning and she said she didn't feel it was about the tardiness or the hamstring, but that she felt it was about Gordon's affect when he met with team doctors. It sounds like the team doctors saying "he wasn't himself" might be understating his behavior yesterday in Berea.

j/c

I'm sick of the apologists. I'm sick of people blaming this FO for Josh being a screw up. FINALLY Haslam put someone in charge of this team that had the guts to put an end to the Josh Gordon saga.

I'm sure they told Josh no more BS. Be a man, be on time and be available to play. Josh couldn't do it. At some point you have to expect him to be accountable.

What people seem to forget is that it wasn't Dorsey whose been kissing Josh's azz for years. Even Dorsey gave him chances, but it only goes so far.

Maybe now the Browns can be a football team and not a daytime soap opera.

Why should we "do right " by Josh? He's done nothing but screw us since he got here. I'm not saying you trading for nothing to a worse team but you take the best offer that you get unless it's in the division or if they're dead set on trading him to the NFC.

Because Dorsey earns a paycheck from the Browns, not from Gordon. While it may be admirable to care if Josh’s trade location is good with his plans, Dorsey’s job is to improve the Browns. If he can get a better pick from Oakland (crappy team, no vets and in a legal pot state) versus the Pats (SB contender, strict locker room and smaller town), then it’s his job to get that better return.

As you put it, if he’d rather cut him then send him somewhere he doesn’t want to go is moronic. No GM’s do that in any sport. If we can get a better return, get the better return, especially for a guy that’s crapped on you for the past four years. Cutting him so he can sign with an AFC north team so Josh can be more comfortable is stupid.

If Josh is being an ass with his 9th 2nd chance, screw him and his need to be comfortable. We are in one business, improve the Browns.

As for my original statement, I would think putting Josh on the trade market BEFORE announcing his release would have been a smarter decision. To me, it’s the optics of the situation. If you announce you’re putting him on the trade block because it’s better for his future and it’s not working out here, that seems better than announcing you’re done with his antics, concern of his mental state, ticked he might have hurt himself off the field and then say an hour later that you now realize a trade might be better for you, it looks like you don’t know what you’re doing.

In the end it had to go this way.

There was never going to be a "normal" with Gordon.

Not with this team now.

Gordon was going to continue to be a "story", a sideshow.

Everyone wondering when something was going to go down.

You can't coach a team long term with a constant eyeglass on Gordon.

It is time for this team to forge ahead.

Because doing the right thing is important. Nobody wants to see the kid ruin his life, or worse. He's done nothing but screw us over, so screwing him over for some nothing draft selection isn't value - it's petty revenge.

The long-term returns are worth it. Cleveland isn't exactly a hot destination for free agents. At the very least, the Browns can help themselves by creating a player-friendly environment in which players are treated as more than assets, and their health and safety is placed at a higher priority than some crappy draft pick.

I'm not saying turn down a first or anything, but Dorsey has made it clear that he's willing to release Josh if the offer isn't right. I respect that, and I'll bet there are plenty of players in the league who feel that way too.

The way I see it, Kendricks served us no purpose once he pled guilty. It is a safe bet that the Browns are not going to make a deep run into the playoffs so, going under the assumption that best case scenario he plays this full season, he more than likely will be in prison next year at this time. I know he only signed for one year but there was always the thought that they might work out a long term deal if both sides where happy at the end of this season. Now we know he is not signing a long term deal anywhere and is merely a one year rental with no option. I would think at some point this season he will get suspended by the NFL. He gets the right to appeal that suspension and could probably drag that out most of the season but I just don't see the sense wasting a roster spot on him when we have younger guys whom could use the experience.

Bitter fan here, I'm so annoyed by him and his attitude towards the Browns over his career, that I hope he gets traded to a team that hurts him professionally and financially. Meaning a team that plays in a state with high tax rates and a bad quarterback. I know Cleveland in NFL purgatory but how about the Bills???

so, it looks like a trade will occur ... what do we get? a 7th most likely

To each his own.

I get it that you're value above all, but Dorsey has a reputation of wanting to do right by guys. He cares about players, and part of that is sensitivity to difficult off-field situations. Undoubtedly, it has something to do with joining Kansas City following Jevon Belcher's murder-suicide.

Some people see the players as assets. Some see them as human beings, and want them to have success. As an example: Dorsey supported Gordon taking time away when many throttled him for the decision and demanded Gordon be released. Wasn't much value for the team losing their star receiver for camp, but it was the right thing to do for Gordon.

You don't have to agree with it. It's pretty gross not to. But it is what it is. I get the feeling you're one of those guys who'd release a player who annoyed you after free agency signings have started, and pretend there is value there.

The "screw him" mentality is fine until players don't return your call in free agency. Dorsey gives a damn, and players return his calls.

And we'll be lucky to get it. A guy whose been available to play 11 games since 2013. One strike away from a lifetime ban.

Trading him to the highest bidder would NEVER be considered "petty revenge". If Dorsey took a lesser offer to send him to the Bills when they could have taken a better offer with the 49ers, sure, that would be petty. The best offer is the best for your team, it has nothing to do with the player you're trading. This is a business and wins are the measurement.

Also, no free agent is going to say to themselves, "signing with the Giants would be great, but if I ever find myself in a situation where I'm on my last chance with the Giants because I've pissed them off with my drug use, inability to play, injuring myself off the field, getting DUI's, having issues with my child support and general lack of consistent attitude, I don't think the Giants will have my back as much as the Browns will. They'll do right by me better by releasing me instead of trading me. Yeah, I'll sign with the Browns if that ever happens."

Trading Josh for the best deal is fair for everyone. Fair is all you can ask. I don't think we need to release him so he can properly pick the best team for him to flourish. It's not petty, it's business and fair. We've already supported Josh when most teams would have fined him or sent him to the CFL. We aren't the bad guys here.

Seems a lot to type when "I don't like a football player I've never met so I hope Dorsey is equally as terrible a person as I am" would suffice.

Again, you're talking about a human being.

Like I said, it is what it is. Kick your feet and throw a tantrum. Our GM just isn't like you. He's a good person. Thankfully.

It's odd that fans have trouble figuring out that the NFL is a business and not a day care facility. As a business you can only go so far to try to help an employee. The Browns have gone WAY beyond that point.

Yes, that's what my posts have clearly suggested. The NFL is not a business but a day care facility. Well picked up, as usual.

Right, I'm a terrible and bad person for suggesting we trade a player to the highest bidder, something that EVERY other team does in EVERY sport. And I'm not throwing a tantrum. I've supported Josh as a person at every turn. I'm only advocating getting as much value as possible instead of cutting him for nothing. If you want to make this a personal attack against me, go right ahead. I'm not going to continue talking to you if you just want to insult me because you can't explain why bending over backwards to help Josh helps us too. I've been on this board for a long time and I don't insult people.

Forgot the j/c

Don't be so emotional. lmao

Pretty thin skin for a guy who just literally cracked a joke about Gordon's off-field issues, including that of his children. Nice way to show you've "supported Gordon as a person at every turn."

I don't know - Where I come from, we just don't joke about another man's kids. America is a little foreign at times.

That was a little harsh on my part, however, so I apologize. I'm Australian and it's 2:27am. I could be in bed with my girlfriend but I'm currently freezing my ass off for this damn football team. I'm a little grumpy.

I just don't think your logic holds up. Sure, YOU want maximum value, but I was responding to the claim that Dorsey is only doing this because he's a moron. I simply suggested that it could clearly correlate to a desire to do what is right by Gordon rather than it just being because Dorsey doesn't know what he's doing.

Heck if I know. Heck if any of us know. Just a suggestion.

The FOX sideline reporter said that she spoke with several players and they all said that it was the right decision, and it was time.

Good riddance and goodbye. Shoulda released this guy at least two years ago, maybe longer. Better late than never.

Build a team with a real culture and winning attitude, where players can count on the men next to them.

I'm OK with them getting rid of a problem child, I just wish they would have decided to wait until he could have been show cased more so they could have possibly gotten something decent in return. Right now I don't expect anybody to give up more then a late rnd pick.

I don't know about that. I'd be 100% in to it, but it wouldn't work.

I don't think we will release him on Monday. I have been hearing 3-4 teams are interested. I think I would spend a few days exploring trade possibilities.


Seems we could get something for the guy.

Gordon didnt have a problem catching a TD in week 1.

We cut him for zero reason.

If he blew a test, fine.

But all that happened is he was late and acting weird.

This is a BS reason. There has to be more to the story,

I think it depends on what we think we know. If we think he cannot pass a drug test ( and with all the hullabaloo this week end I find it hard to believe that the NFL will not be knocking on his door first thing in the AM) we may just cut him. I am still unde the assumption that passing a drug test woud be part of the physical he would have to pass for another team. Am I wrong on this?

I think there is more to the story. A team doesn't stick with a guy for 6 years and then cut him for being late. They definitely have a good reason.

j/c:

The players said it was time for him to go. Keeping the guy around would have been a mistake for such a young team. We gave the guy so many chances, but he always let us down. And Callaway actually played better than Josh did in his last 6 games.

https://sports.yahoo.com/john-lynch-says-49ers-already-192635084.html

John Lynch says 49ers already have called Browns about Josh Gordon

Matt Maiocco
NBC Sports BayArea•Sep 16, 2018, 3:26 PM

SANTA CLARA -- San Francisco 49ers general manager John Lynch made a phone call to the Cleveland Browns to express some level of interest in wide receiver Josh Gordon, Lynch told NBC Sports Bay Area on Sunday.

Lynch said the 49ers are going through their standard due diligence to determine whether to pursue a trade for Gordon, whom the Browns announced Saturday would be released in the coming days.

Gordon is signed through this season with a base salary of $790,000. The Browns reportedly are entertaining trade offers for Gordon, who has played in just 11 games since his breakout 2013 season.

Gordon showed up Saturday at the Browns facility with a hamstring injury. He told the team he sustained the injury during a promotional shoot, which was not a team event, Pro Football Talk reported, citing a league source.

There is a lot for the 49ers to consider, including how much Gordon can be relied upon. Coach Kyle Shanahan served as Cleveland's offensive coordinator in 2014.

Gordon has a season-long suspension reduced to 10 games because of a violation of the league's policy on substances of abuse in 2014. He was suspended for the final game of the season for skipping a walk-through one day before a game against the Baltimore Ravens.

Gordon was suspended for the entire 2015 season. He also was suspended for the first four games of 2016, and entered an in-patient rehabilitation facility. After missing two full seasons, he finally was reinstated for the final five games of last season.

In 41 career NFL games since entering the NFL in 2012, Gordon has caught 180 passes for 3,106 yards and 16 touchdowns. In 2013, he appeared in 14 games and caught 87 passes for a league-leading 1,646 yards and nine TDs.

Unfortunately, Jimmy G has started red hot against the Lions. After his uneven performance in week one, I was hoping he'd stink up week two, which might force Lynch to make a big play for Gordon.

I think Callaway is a nice replacement.


That was a darn nice catch under good coverage. The kid has great hands. He is only going to get better with some seasoning.

the players always know ... thanks for that info, i hadn't heard that

Done. And done. Good Canadian stuff has been stocked.

I do like beer. Labatts AND Molson's will work, yes.... or whatever else ya got.

JMHO, have you been monitoring the Browns since 2013- Just because a guy looks otherworldly, he's been given YEARS to be a responsible human being/pro....he's failed over and over again. Late and acting weird...AND reported been late lots of times---he's special in his own mind....NO professional team should trust this guy....personally, I'm glad a general manager has finally seen thru his BS and done the right thing.....hope we get something for him....2yrs ago I suggested a cheeseburger, that would be enough.....GO Browns!!!!

Agree. I think a fair trade would be that the Browns trade Josh Gordon to another team and that team just needs to pay for 1 beer to every fan in attendance at the next home game.

U and Cap work it out ... ... i prefer labbats blue light ... never really liked Molsons ..

Make sure u got plenty of kegs of bud for the give away thursday night cap ...

I would have figured you for a Moosehead guy.

I felt sad about the announcement, but also relieved. I honestly don't believe he will be successful with any team. At the same time, I won't be upset or angry with the Browns if he is, I think you can only give someone so much time. I wish the best for him, though looking back, I wish the Browns had never taken a chance on him.

Looking back there is I much I would do differently.

Father Time keeps ticking, thus we don't get that chance.


Fathere Time is relentless and unforgiving.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...osh-gordon-news

Myles Garrett: No one expected Josh Gordon news

New ORLEANS -- The Saturday night news on Josh Gordon's planned release from the Cleveland Browns sent shockwaves around the league.

Less than 24 hours later and following a loss to the Saints, Gordon's soon-to-be former teammates were left absorbing the situation.

Wide receiver Jarvis Landry declined to discuss it, but others expressed surprise when they heard the news.

"Nobody was expecting that," defensive end Myles Garrett said. "You walk in and hear that, that's big news."

Defensive tackle Larry Ogunjobi echoed Garrett.

"It was kind of like shocking because you don't really expect that, especially so sudden, especially the day before a game," Ogunjobi said. "That's a tough decision."

The Browns' plan to release Gordon came on the heels of him missing a team meeting Saturday, and Cleveland could eventually trade him before cutting him loose without getting anything in return.

Despite being a third-year pro, Gordon would be released as a vested veteran because of his accrued seasons, meaning he would not go through the waiver process and could sign immediately with another team.

Browns head coach Hue Jackson said after the game that he addressed the players Saturday night and let them know the team was going in a different direction with Gordon.

Jackson believed the honest approach with the players proved the correct course of action and he's not worried about having a split locker room because the coach said the Browns have strong leadership among the veterans.

"I always talk to the team in those situations," Jackson said. "I've always been honest and up front with our guys about what we're doing as an organization. I think that's the way it should it be; they should know.

"I told them last night. Nobody flinched, they understood it. Again, we wish Josh well on his journey and we all love and respect Josh, but we had to do what we felt we had to do as an organization."

Whatever happens with Gordon in the next 24 hours, he is set to end his run with the Browns as a talented receiver who didn't put it all together on the field since entering the league in 2012 as a supplemental draft pick.

While he has 180 career catches for 3,106 yards and 16 touchdowns, averaging a healthy 17.3 yards per catch, Gordon's time in Cleveland was mired by multiple suspensions for violating the NFL's substance-abuse policy. He did not play in 2015 and 2016, but returned in November 2017 on a conditional reinstatement.

Meanwhile, Garrett said he plans to reach out to Gordon to wish him well. But the second-year defensive end understands what the NFL is all about when it comes to personnel decisions regardless of talent level.

Now, the Browns have to collect themselves and move on.

"It's a business," Garrett said. "It's one of your family members, but at the end of the day you got to have a short memory in the NFL. He was part of it and now somebody else will fill that role whether it's a guy that's here or somebody they're going to bring in. But you still got to win at the end of the day no matter what the odds are."

Its all a load of bs unless he failed a test,

No, it's not.

This team is trying to change the culture of losing. We are the extremely young. We can't have a guy on the team who doesn't buy into what we are trying to do and continually making mistakes.

I agree with Eve.


If you want to change the culture of losing, you throw it to Josh a lot more.

If you really want to change the culture.....well....you don't want to hear it so I won't share it.

Really? He scored a TD for us last week, what part of that is culture of losing?
He made great strides to fight and come back from his demons. What part of that is culture of losing?

Sounds like you just want to make excuses and sweep it under the rug.

He has HOF talent despite a sad career.

The only losers here are the Browns.

It was time to move on, I didn't think of him once during the game, except for when FOX's sideline reporter said the players she spoke with were good with the move.

I defended Josh over the years and hoped he'd work out, but the damn drama was wearisome and its nonlonger a problem.

I hope he turns his life around, hope he has a good career.

We gotcha covered lamp.

I disagree.

A guy can be a huge talent, and still a problem, and a detriment to winning.

Before the game, the FOX sideline reporter said that not one player she spoke with was at all upset that Gordon is gone. I think that, despite his record, and despite the organization standing by him, Josh has a sense of entitlement, as opposed to being grateful. The Browns even gave him his free agency a year early, when they didn't have to.

So how did he thank them? Did he show up with a renewed sense of being a professional? No. Instead he showed up late, (more than once, by some reports) and hurt/impaired.

There comes a time when even an uber-talented player just has to go. You don't teach the younger players on the team to buy into winning by excusing a veteran who refuses to do so.

Gordon should never have made this team to start with. However, his physical talent was too tempting for the team to dump him. They thought that this time ..... this time .. was different. It wasn't. He's still a waste of a roster spot. He won't waste a spot here for much longer.

Goodbye Josh. It's a shame that your career wasn't as important to you as it has been to the fans, and the team. It's a shame that you rewarded the teammates who stood by you by thinking that you are above the rules that every other player has to follow. I have no doubt that this garbage will continue no matter where Gordon winds up. A leopard doesn't change his spots, and Josh has shown little evidence that he's willing to mature.

Maybe we'll be really lucky and get a 6th round pick for him. It's probably more than he'll be worth in the long run.

Youre putting a lot of youre speculation into that.

He was late.

Oh the horrror!

Not a reason to be cut.

He was late.

He was hurt in an activity away from the team.

He appeared to be impaired.

Sooner or later a guy has to strike out. Gordon did.

Hard knocks as much as said he was on a short leash.

He was repeatedly late. late yesterday, Hungover and hurt and could not play today.

You're speculating the only reason he was cut was simply because he was late. If they part ways they have good reason, whether we know exactly what it is or not. I'm sure they realize he scored a TD last week. I'm sure they also are well aware of everything else going on with him in the locker room and on the field. If he was doing his job, he'd still have a job so if you want to blame someone for screwing Gordon's tenure with the Browns, blame Gordon because that's the only place the blame falls.

Josh Gordon: Please, no more excuses -- Terry Pluto | cleveland.com
https://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ss...art_river_index

NEW ORLEANS, La. -- If you're a Browns fan, maybe you feel a sense of sadness. Or anger. Or relief.

But please, no more excuses as the Browns plan to release Josh Gordon Monday.

For several weeks, I was hearing from some fans how Gordon skipped most of training camp because he was dealing with anxiety -- due to the presence of the cameras for the "Hard Knocks" special.

And I have heard for years, Gordon just likes to smoke weed. It's legal in some states, what's the problem?

The problem is Gordon's issues are so much deeper than marijuana.

That's part of the reason I wrote a column a few weeks ago, stating the Browns should view Gordon as a lottery ticket. He was a long shot to make it because he has failed in so many opportunities.

And he has so many problems.

In 2013, he was suspended for the first two games of the season because he tested positive for codeine. He claimed it came from cough syrup.

In 2017, he gave an interview to The Uninterrupted where he said: "I've used alcohol on many, many occasions. Xanax on many occasions. Cocaine on several occasions. Marijuana most of my life. Codeine cough syrup...methazine is very prevalent where I'm from."

Those are Gordon's words.

The scope and depth of his addiction issues are why he has played only 11 games since his Pro Bowl 2013 season.

It's why he's been suspended so many times, dating back to college.

It's why he didn't show up in time for training camp and missed all four preseason games -- something had gone wrong again.

And it's why the Browns had every right to let him go.

BEING REALISTIC

The Browns have tried to help Gordon ever since drafting him in 2012.

I repeat, this is not about marijuana.

It is about a player who seemed to be bragging in a GQ story last November about how he was high on something before every game.

I happen to doubt that.

In my 18 years of weekly jail ministry, some addicts love to brag about all the things they did while high...as if it's a badge of honor.

Gordon came off that way in several interviews he did with national media outlets last year.

There was very little regret about the damage done to himself or others.

Addicts can be very selfish, and that behavior impacts others. One of the big lies some addicts tell themselves is: "I'm only hurting myself."

That's simply not true. Anyone who has an addict in their life knows better.

NO MORE EXCUSES

Gordon came from a very difficult background.

But he also is in a sport where many players have the same type of family mess as Gordon - some even worse.

Yet, they find a way to overcome it.

Virtually every type of recovery program has been made available to Gordon. The NFL and the Browns have access to the best, so this is not about Gordon being unable to find help.

Too bad most addicts do not have a chance at all these resources.

If anything, he's had too many enablers.

Maybe this is what he needs. Or maybe another team will give him a chance and the same pattern will continue.

But the fact is the Browns, his teammates and the fans couldn't count on Gordon. And it was time for the Browns to let him go.

No dude.

If he was some no talent backup slug then maybe I buy that.

But you dont drop talent like that for no reason.

There has to be some reason we dont know yet.

The truth hasnt come out.

All that addict talk is nice, but FACT is NOTHING has been said that he relapsed.

ZERO
NOTHING
NADA

Hard to throw Gordon the ball when he is rarely on the field of play.

Not available Gordon that was his calling card.

I am glad he is gone.

You build a team with players you can depend upon.

IF he did, the Browns wouldn't be allowed to say it anyway.


We'll find out more in the coming days/weeks.

But, as of now, it does appear he's done in Cleveland. Like it, hate it, don't understand it - that's the way it is.

If you showed up late to work and hung over and said you cant be there the rest of the week, how would that go over? These are the reasons

Josh is a small example of a larger issue.
the Browns waited for Josh to get it turned around and the Browns fans are waiting for the Browns franchise to turn it around

My two cents...

Gordon had succeeded in walking away from drugs for nearly a year.

Gordon started drinking around the start of minicamp and one thing led to another. (Looking back, I think it's hilarious, whether intentional or freudian slip, to hear Hue say "The FISH is in the building").

Gordon told the league he messed up and was granted leniency for coming forward and seeking help.

Gordon had an "aha moment", realizing he was special... the best way to punish the Browns and the NFL for his measly paycheck was to use his addiction as a "crutch" and merely say he needs to "step away".
"Those other bums can bust their rumps through training camp and the preseason... I'm too good for that and I definitely don't get paid enough."

Gordon came back with a chip on his shoulder... the demeanor always being "you're lucky I showed up." Coming in late, having the same indifferent demeanor, not working very hard in practice, etc, etc...

Gordon showed evidence that he was probably still drinking, coaching staff constantly on pins and needles, wondering how things would play out.

Gordon comes in late, yet again, two days before a game, with a mysterious hamstring injury, not caring if he plays ("mannnn, I just need to get my six games in this year and it's time to get PAID!")...smelling like a brewery.

The Browns finally say "UNCLE".

Not real hard to understand why.

Assumptions.

Not a reason to cut a first team talent,

Give him a lecture maybe.

Keep in mind, you all are grasping at straws why this guy was let go.

Yet simultaneouly holding onto this crappy kicker who single handedly cost us the game today.

How many lectures, talks, mulligans, do you owe a person? We've dealt with this since 2012, one thing after another.

As you once said,'just cut this turd'.

I agree with this if he got failed a test,

But he didnt.

Showed up late.

Do you all want to be cut from your job for showing up late?

I think there is more to it than they are saying.

Because thats a BS reason.

Grasping at straws?

Grasp this. Gordon has done nothing to help this team. Zero.

He has been nothing but a headache.

The Browns including ownership has bent over backwards trying to help him.

And we are grasping at straws?

Give me a break.

Teammates and coaches have to depend upon each other.

Tell me how dependable Gordon has been?

Practice. Haley spoke about practice.

Do ya think Gordon didn't need practice?

When is enough?

Dealing with his demons and addictions is a full time job. What is professional football part time work?

Good luck Josh I hope it works for you somewhere else.

Could you imagine if a guy like Nate Orchard, or Carl Nassib, or Devon Cajuste, or any of the other players we cut prior to the season had even 1/2 the talent Gordon has. I bet not one of them would throw their chance away, like Gordon has so many times thus far. I say thus far, because Gordon seems to have a self destructive aspect, and I fully expect that he'll do so again. (and make no mistake, I hope the guy gets things 100% turned around, but I refuse to expect it, or bet on it)

Good luck Josh. I hope you manage to make a living so you can support your kids.

So youre saying his TD week 1 didnt help the team?

Because we are drowning in TDs and deep threats?

Get real man.

Come back and talk to me when you do.

Because that post was a bunch of bunk.

All that matters is game day. Put up or shut up. He put up.

Cant say the same for that lameo kicker we got,

YOu keep saying there is more to this than we know.........and I think everyone agrees with that.

BUT, you keep defending him. While at the same time saying there is more to the story.

Hmmmmmm............dude's gone. Apparently. Maybe we should wait til we here the rest of the story before 'we' blame the team/organization?

Or not?

I don't agree with this line of thinking at all.

I commented on this once before and was laughed at... I don't think you should give someone a free pass because of his talent. I just think that's a whole lot of ugly.

And the kicker? We aren't 1-32-1 because of a kicker.

I will defend him until the end of time.... if he is being cut FOR ZERO REASON.

They have given zero credible reasin to cut him.

I think there is more to it than this because what they did makes no sense.

You dont cut talent for that for nothing.

So, I want to know the truth.

And then I will stop defending him, if its a reasonable reason.

Dude. Do you get that JG has done zero on or off the field recently to cut him?

Do you get the kicker sucks and missed a ton of kicks today and lost us the game?

Apples and oranges.

Wise up.

Wise up???

That's funny.

Dude, have you followed Gordon and this saga since the Browns took him in 2012?

You're right: You don't cut that kind of talent for being late or missing a meeting.

The first time, or the second time, or the 20th time. You don't cut that kind of talent for being suspended for drugs for more games than he's played.

You don't cut that kind of talent.......until you say "Know what? We're done with you. The rules apply to you also."


Had this chat with my wife this morning as SHE drove to church. She somehow feels the speed limit doesn't apply to her. Yet, here we are, paying more every month, because of her speeding tickets.


Hmmmmm............

I'm not the one who needs to wise up.

For real. I am a huge Gordon apologist, but even I am willing to admit he was super high maintenance and caused a ton of grief.

Yeah, and he has done nothing wrong. They cut him for being "late" and acting "weird"


NOT A REASON.

We cant replace his talent on the field at this point in time.
Not Dez.
Not Nobody.

If they were smart and wanted to ditch him they would have done it at the end of the season. Traded him for something in the off season,

You are making assumptions that he 'hasn't done anything wrong' - unless you know more than the rest of the nfl world knows.

I've been one of his biggest supporters on this board over the years he's been suspended. (read that sentence real close).

He's gone. Good, bad, or indifferent - he's gone.

I'm not making assumptions. This is what we've been told.

I'm saying there is more to the story than what they are saying because nobody cuts that talent for petty reasons.

And that's exactly what the hell I'VE been saying. Dang, read, comprehend.

I havent argued anything you said.... just these other people

Huh? He's played something like 11 games in the past 4 seasons because he's been suspended. Browns stood by him, he shows up late to practice. Nothing petty about that. Pop that bubble you're in...

Do you understand this is his first season back drug free? That he has been doing all the right things? Looking after his health?

Starts the season with limited plays week 1 yet still scores a crucial TD?

Has done nothing wrong since THAT WE KNOW OF?

Being late and acting weird is a petty reason to cut a guy.

There HAS to be more to it than this.

69 snaps.

You are discounting all the other stuff the organization has been through with Gordon. There was always a straw that breaks the camels back moment.

You do understand he missed most of training camp, right?

The thing is no one is saying he was cut just because he was late for practice... He has been suspended for 40+ games, he wasn't at training camp, he shows up late for practice. What more would you like there to be?

But youre trying to make the past justify the present.
If they had an issue with his past he would have been cut a long time ago.

He played well in Game 1. Got us a crucial TD.

Since then, nothing has gone wrong other than showing up late one day.

That might warrant a lecture.

But certainly not being cut.

So I think there is more to it than this.

j/c

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that him mysteriously leaving the team for training camp was due to the fact Gordon either A) had relapsed and needed to "get right" (thus he was NOT entering this season "drug free" or B) because the Browns didn't want the whole world to see how Josh is on a day-to-day basis via Hard Knocks where they couldn't control his exposure and lie/cover-up for him - aka him showing up drunk/high.

Dorsey finally told him he was on his last strike once he came back.

You also don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize when the team and their doctors say Josh was "acting weird" that means he showed up drunk and/or high on something....again.

To add insult to injury (literally) he also showed up magically injured AND he was late to boot.

If that's not enough to cut a guy, I literally have no idea what IS enough.

We never ever ever EVER should have drafted the kid to begin with. Talent means jack-squat if you don't have the smarts/ability to stay on the field to use that talent. At least now we're finally going to stop compounding a bad decision with another one by trying to depend on someone who is so undependable.

well, he's going to be traded today .. but to which team? and for what?

For the other teams kicker would be a good trade.

So you're saying there has to be more than just showing up late to practice, but also saying his history has nothing to do with his release... is that correct?

I am most interested in this part, where we get something for this player. I am all in for due process, but I have issues with undue process. I do not think this event alone was enough, so when traded, there must be more behind it than has been allowed be known yet. And he is being traded or cut, so there must not been a "war in heaven" in the FO for this course of events to occur. Some one high up called it with or without support.
Based on nothing but what is here now, I am wondering if he is in the same boat with our other recently traded receiver. Maybe he wanted out of here, maybe he got what he wished for. Also perhaps, given how fast this has been rammed through either way, maybe we are taking some trade for something ASAP before a Reason comes out. Once again and freely admitted based on nothing. Just trying to make sense of Bizarro Berea again. Maybe package the kicker with him when trading partner found. Looks like Dallas and New England might be up for salvage with some good potential perhaps. Others?

If we get anything better than a 2020 7th round pick for Josh Gordon, I'll tear down my Sashi shine and erect a John Dorsey shrine instead.

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Anyways, a source just told me at least "8 to 10 teams have called" the #Browns inquiring about potentially trading for WR Josh Gordon. Some teams r adamant abt not wanting it known their organization is calling, I'm told. Clear reasons to be tight. I've heard about some though.

https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1041651846572589056

I understand the desire of wanting all the dirt immediately. Doesn't Twitter and instagram condition us that way? Considering we may never know all the dirt, Fates scenario sure seems to fit the selfish nature Gordon's always shown. Seemed to get lost in the midst of Eve's no-legged defense of Gordon last night (Still love you though dawg. We all have our guys.). What say you, Eve? If this is how the scenario played out would you have given Gordon a pass or no?

The #Browns are expected to be able to trade WR Josh Gordon before 4 pm today and the trade compensation should be legit.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1041653181351116800

Not Minni’s or the Lambs (the lambs guy got hurt ...) ...

This is a bad week to be in the market for us ...

Two other teams will be looking ... and Minni has a permanent job for Bailey and I guess we might be a better option than the lambs depending on how long Z’s out for ... i’mn Not even gonna try and spell his name ... *L* ...

So were 2nd at best in the pecking order ... IF they do the right thing ...

My sentiments are

Good Luck Josh. I hope you stay sober, exercise your demons, and support your children.

sounds like we have a lot of interest

This is going to be an interesting negotiation ....

He’s not worth much cause he’s not been available for 4 or 5 years now .. but theres a team out there that will overpay for him ... i just have no clue what “overpaying” for him is at this point ... *L* ..

This is gonna be interesting ... very curious to see what shakes out ...

4th round pick

Trading for Gordon accomplishes two things:

- Not having to outbid other teams if he becomes a FA
- Being able to keep him on his rookie contract. And if history tells us anything, he could be on that contract for several more years

I think Dallas is a logical landing spot. They desperately need a big-play WR.

Green Bay might be another.

Would New Orleans be interested in having someone on the opposite side of Thomas? Not sure if they put up w/his BS, though.

Would SF take a chance on him?

The Bears?

Dallas and GB seem like the two best places. Especially Dallas.

Sorry it had to happen.. Many on here have been calling for it for a long time.

I'm not sure what happened.. Not sure if Gordon did something that turned out to be the straw that broke the camels back, but it sure appears that is what happened.

Good luck Josh, Hope you find a way to get right.

Why Green Bay?

He has a relationship with Shanny ... was Shanny the OC the year Josh actually played?

Its gonna be interesting ...

It has to be a conditional ... usually when its a conditional pick its for a late round pick ..

I’m hoping we break that cycle causes he’s such a freak we may get even a 2nd ... his talent won’t be the reason we dont get that ...

Regardless ... i won’t say a peep about what we get ... i have no clue what his value should be ... NONE ...

This is a VERY VERY VERY UNIQUE situation ..

My sentiments:

There has been talk that Rodgers needs more weapons in GB. Not sure how JG will fit there, though. Then again, I'm doubtful that he will fit anywhere.

Shanny was to coordinator the year we started 7 and 4 and then went 5 straight to end the season. I think those last 5 were the only games in which JG played. He was a bit heavy and was clearly dogging it on the field.

j/c...since my original post I have found out a few things.

1. He has missed meetings during his short stay with us. So again he is defying authority and our staff. That rules simply do not apply to him ergo he's just not going to make it.

2. He lied to Dorsey and Hue regarding how he came up lame as he left the house Friday in perfect working condition. Was late to team meetings on Saturday and complained about discomfort in his hamstring and then he Lied about how and when it happened.

Of course he was not at the team meeting after Coleman's police experience. And Hue told the team. We will give you chances but you have to be HONEST with us - Don't lie or else you are gone.

this puts a good reminder that a talent as good as Gordon was does not get special treatment and cannot be put up on a pedestal with let him do as he pleases.

Diam surprised at your resistance to our releasing of Gordon.

We win or lose with him or without him it doesn't make a difference. After hearing of him being late to meetings that told me a lot. That is like spitting in the face of the team. And it also is telling me he will mess up. I wish for him to get Traded and especially to a NFC team, I've heard at least 5 teams have inquired about a trade.

If he was trying his hardest to come back I'd be in his corner like you are. But lets get rid of him now as stated I just want something for him. Anything and if its just a late round pick make it so that its in the NFC.

Take care...I'm more worried about our Kicker than Gordon, we will survive not having Gordon but we have lost two games directly effected by our Kicker. That is a bigger deal with this team than Gordon. He will not effect our teams W/L one big but the kicker already has and can effect more games to come!

I've always been on the side of "defending" Gordon (if you want to call it that). My stance has always been one of risk vs reward. Since he was zero risk as long as he was on his rookie deal... and let's face it, we didn't have tough decisions to make regarding choosing between him and someone else (he never bumped someone that would've helped us win games off the roster).
That said, I really won't shed a tear regarding his release. He was no available the vast majority of his time here. He came back, and promptly had a hamstring injury (side note: don't let his trainer/coach guy anywhere near any of our guys). Works through that back to 100%, then the hamstring magically pops back up again.
If we can get a legit draft pick back for him, then I'll feel ok about it.

Eve,
I also think that there is more to the story of the end of last week. I think something happened that the team will not say, and will have to be dug up by media folk. However, given what little we know about the situation, and given the history of those involved, if a side has to be picked, then I have to side with Dorsey. The guy has established a positive (if brief) track record with this team. He hasn't been perfect; nobody is. Gordon's track record, ESPECIALLY in these types of situations, has always been bad.
In short, my assumption is that Gordon messed up, otherwise Dorsey would not have gone in this direction. There was something tangible that happened that, on top of his history, pushed Dorsey in this direction.

Make no mistake, a part of my Browns fandom will always lament the "what could've been" with JG. Overall, the Browns being the dumpster fire that they are over the years might have even contributed to his behavior.... and that gets to the crux of how I feel about this.
The guy is weak, and the guy is a jerk. We don't have room on the team right now for weak jerks (that possibly don't want to be here). He routinely makes bad/dumb decisions, and then handles the bad situation he created in a dumb way, making it worse.

I said as long as we traded him I’d be fine with it .. unless relapsed then its a moot point ..

I also said this is more about Kendricks to me ... i’m Still PEED at that ... my initial reaction is always mad ... it usually takes me anywhere from 2 mins to 2 hours before i think rationally and the anger subsides ...

I think about this one rationally and it makes no sense to me ... i dont see it the way u guys do ... I think Dorsey is a hypocritical jackass in how he handled Kendricks ...

So i’m Having a real hard time getting over that one .. and yesterday DIDN’T HELP ...

Are we 2 - 0 with Kendricks? .... i know were 0 - 1 - 1 w/o him ... and we have FAR WORSE HUMAN BEINGS on our team than Kendricks was ... so Dorseys willing to sell his sole for W’s ... he drafted T. Hill and Marcus Peters witch was bad enough .. then here he drafted Calloway ...

Tab ... this dudes defense in basically a rape case was he was to stoned to have sex with anyone ... think about that for a second ...

The math don’t work for me bro ... IT DOESN’T ADD UP ION MY MIND ANYHOW ...

I really need to get over this .. ITS NOT GOOD .. STUPID DIAM ..

to me ...

It's going to be a conditional pick if we get any trade at all. It would be great if someone had a kicker they could send us. So likely we're not getting a thing. Oh well. Time to move on.

I really like Allison ... guess all they have other than him is Adams though ... Graham has lost quite a bit and Cobb has looked old the last few years ...

Thanks for the refresher on Josh and Shanny ...

Way too literal there Diam. My reply was sarcastic.

Oooooops .... sorry dawg ..

I give Dorsey a pass on Kendricks. It turned out to be a dumb mistake, but I get it. The dude just pled guilty to a crime that carries pretty serious jail time. To be clear, I think the release had nothing to do with the crime, and everything to do with the time. Dorsey saw the headline and said, "well, he's toast... might as well cut him now". The announcement that his sentencing would be delayed came out several days after he was gone.

I think they signed him based on an incorrect understanding of the situation. I don't think they cut him because Dorsey was bent outta shape about a lie.

Splitting hairs...? Maybe.

Back to Gordon. I just want to reiterate that I think Gordon did something that we don't know about that made Dorsey say, "enough is enough". it might not have been a positive test, but the whole "acting weird" thing has me thinking he's at least testing the boundaries of his drug situation.
That's just my guess, so take it for what it's worth. End of the day, I trust Dorsey's decision-making/track record a whole bunch more than Gordon's.

Fair enough ...

I have a feeling that Dorsey's actions with Kendricks, and now Gordon, are more about the guys that are still here than the two we've let go.

Sending the message & setting expectations as part of changing the culture here.


It's normal when a new boss comes into a company, he's totally a hard ass and cracks an iron whip to set the tone and let you know that he can and will crack that whip, then he relaxes and lets people work.... but, periodically, he will crack that whip to remind folks.

If that's the story behind one or both of the releases, then I'll be pissed.

Fortunately, I don't think we'd ever find out if that was the case. :-p
Ignorance is bliss.

I might not care for the moves, but I support trying to establish the culture they want to establish.

John Dorsey - Whip Cracking Good.

I am so glad to be done with Josh Gordon. I am so sick of his [censored], I don't care how good he is, he's 27 and on his rookie deal.

You know what helps a team?

Being there.

Nobody denies his talent. That has never in question.

Do you think for a minute he was released for any other reason than: he can not be depended upon?

Put Gordon's record and absence in any job and he would have been fired long ago.

Get real?

Is he supposed to be called every day to show up on time?

Tucked in at night to make sure he is where he is supposed to be?

Imagine you were his boss and you depended upon him?

When are you responsibility for your actions?

So he caught a TD. How many games has he missed? Where were the touchdowns then?

Your argument is lame.

Gonzales?

Cut him as well.

He has one thing to do - kick. No weight lifting, no play book to learn, doesn't practice with the team.

Snap good, blocks accomplished, hold good. In a dome, no wind, good footing. He can't kick an extra point.

This is "professional" football. You get paid. It is a results business. You are accountable.

It applies to kickers, Gordon and everybody else.

Gordon just posted on instagram laughing at Hue on the TV when a live report was being shown.