Camp cuts (and other camp moves)

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Today's transactions

Cardinals Released P Will Batson, C Kyle Quinn and G-C Scott Wedige.
Rats Released CB Chris Johnson.
Bills Released PK Rian Lindell.
Cowboys Waived/injured LB Alex Albright, DT Travis Chappelear and DE Toby Jackson.
Lions Waived LB Cory Greenwood.
Texans Activated WR DeVier Posey from the active/PUP list.
Colts Placed RB Dan Moore on the waived-injured list.
Jags Released WR Mohamed Massaquoi and G-C Jason Spitz.
Chiefs Traded WR Jon Baldwin to San Francisco for WR A.J. Jenkins.
Vikings Released CB Jacob Lacey.
Pats Reached an injury settlement with TE Brandon Ford. Released LB A.J. Edds, OL R.J. Mattes and DL Scott Vallone.
Chargers Placed WR Danario Alexander on the waived-injured list.
Titans Activated TE Delanie Walker from the PUP list.

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Patrick Crayton, Steve Breaston released by Saints

By Gregg Rosenthal
Around The League Editor
Published: Aug. 19, 2013 at 05:33 p.m.
Updated: Aug. 19, 2013 at 05:41 p.m.

In the wake of Joe Morgan's ACL tear, the New Orleans Saints decided to sign two veteran wide receivers: Steve Breaston and Patrick Crayton. Both players didn't last long.

The team officially cut both receivers on Monday after taking a longer look at them in the second preseason week.

Consider this move a vote of confidence for young Saints receivers Kenny Stills and Nick Toon. Still looks like the favorite for the No. 3 receiver role vacated by Morgan. If the Saints want to bring a veteran in later, Devery Henderson is available.

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For them to cut him right now it must have meant he was just AWFUL. It wasn't like they had a plethora of backup QBs either. Pretty sad.

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For them to cut him right now it must have meant he was just AWFUL. It wasn't like they had a plethora of backup QBs either. Pretty sad.

The best I can tell is that it is a Twitter rumor that Fred Greetham retweeted.

Again, we haven't seen a definitive link saying McCoy, Anderson, or Cribbs have been cut.

All I've found is twitter stuff ... but I realize it can't be posted.

Browns could sign them all back! Momass too!

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For them to cut him right now it must have meant he was just AWFUL. It wasn't like they had a plethora of backup QBs either. Pretty sad.

The best I can tell is that it is a Twitter rumor that Fred Greetham retweeted.

He confirmed that it was just a rumor at the moment. I did find this on Cribbs though...sounds like he's not impressing much.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/raiders/josh-cribbs-thin-ice

I have heard that Colt Mccoy is not too impressive at 49ers camp. Not surprised, I thought he was a little out of his element trying to back up a super bowl contender.

I see Richard Marshall was cut by Miami. Could he be a guy we would look at ?

http://www.nfl.com/player/richardmarshall/2495894/profile

I don't know if we will sign him, but the Dolphins paid him $5 million to not make the team. That tells me he was probably horrible.

+ 1, that is a bad sign.

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I have heard that Colt Mccoy is not too impressive at 49ers camp. Not surprised, I thought he was a little out of his element trying to back up a super bowl contender.

That's probably true, but where did you hear it?

I actually went to the Niner's message boards and their 4th string QB, who they originally planned to look at as a RB or receiver, (from what I have read, but I can't remember which) is outplaying both McCoy and Tolzien. (Daniels, who went 6-9 for 72 yards and a TD in their game against the Chefs)

I have watched more pre-season football this season than ever before thanks to the NFL Network playing the games seemingly around the clock. I have seen McCoy play in both games, and have been less impressed with him in Frisco than I was when he played here. He seems to be struggling reading even the basic covers in pre-season. (as does Tolzien) We would be in immense trouble if he was still our QB. He really seems to lack any presence in the pocket, and his accuracy is really unimpressive. It almost seems as though he has regressed. That's a shame, because I do respect a lot about McCoy. I think that he's a legitimately good guy. I just don't like his ability to play football.

Oh well, that's the past. Hopefully Weeden can continue to grow and build on what he's started doing this pre-season, and can become a top tier QB.

BJ Daniels was maddening at South Florida. He'd do some good things, but more often than not he'd just blow an easy throw when they needed it. It seemed like he was there forever. Honestly, of the guys they have there I'd probably take McCoy, but I haven't gotten the opportunity to watch the games for SF that you have this year.

Who are Miami's CBs? I know they drafted the kid out of Boise if I'm not mistaken.

He's been .... well, for lack of a better word .... skittish. He hasn't hung in the pocket, He's gone 6-13 for 76 yards, with 0 TD and 2 INT (and one injury) thus far, and has run the ball 5 times for 36 yards. He's been sacked once or twice. He's looked more comfortable running than he has hanging in the pocket looking for a receiver down the field. He gets a little pressure, and he's out of there. His eyes seem to immediately come off the field, and he starts looking more as a runner than remaining in QB more, trying to find a receiver.

I haven't been impressed with him, but I also haven't been impressed with Tolzien either. (though he did have a decent game against Denver ..... though 26 pass attempts for 158 yards is quite underwhelming)

I would venture a guess that the Niners are screwed if Kaepernick gets hurt no matter which guy wins their backup QB job.

So basically, he plays the same as he did here in 2011.

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Who are Miami's CBs? I know they drafted the kid out of Boise if I'm not mistaken.

the also stole Brent Grimes from us (though I'm not sure if he's going to be back for week1? is he playing now?)

oh, they also have Dmitrii Patterson who is now the starter according to their depth chart if Marshall is gone:

http://www.miamidolphins.com/team/depth-chart.html

Grimes is starting for the Dolphins in the pre-season, and he looks healthy and ready to go from what I have seen.

so basically Dmitri Patterson is better than Marshall ... yeah, no thanks on him.

I wish we had Grimes though.

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I have seen McCoy play in both games, and have been less impressed with him in Frisco than I was when he played here. He seems to be struggling reading even the basic covers in pre-season.

How Shurmur ever get the rep of a good QB coach is beyond me. Colt actually looked promising with Daboll n Mangini...those two even were praised by Holmgren in the handling of the rookie while getting fired. Then came the NEW REGIME COACHES - Colt Digressed with each and every game. He looked good coming into the first preseason game if all remember there was no coaching. Colt pretty much had the play book and was working with the offense. I remember they used all the plays that Colt was familiar with...And the O looked great all be it a couple of series against the starting Packers. From there it slowly went downhill as Shurmur n staff took over since the lockout thingy was over.

The handling of Weeden was sickening. Its still beyond me to have a rookie QB Start who is uncomfortable under center. Then have said rookie take more snaps under center than any NFL QB. That is the obvious but other things observed was pretty bad. Sorry to bring up old stuff but of course old players (not too old) are being brought up to possibly be or are cut. I'm sure we will look at any 28 and under Interior OL w/starting experience. We might wait till last cuts?

JMHO - The kid Bolen was cut I guess due to the emergence of Ogb being a pretty good FB.

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Grimes is starting for the Dolphins in the pre-season, and he looks healthy and ready to go from what I have seen.

thanks.

so, Weeden's first test will be to figure out whether to throw it to the guy covered by Grimes or the guy covered by Patterson.

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Grimes is starting for the Dolphins in the pre-season, and he looks healthy and ready to go from what I have seen.

thanks.

so, Weeden's first test will be to figure out whether to throw it to the guy covered by Grimes or the guy covered by Patterson.

If those are their top two CB's, and their pass rush has to get past our OL.... they are not going to be very happy.

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I see Richard Marshall was cut by Miami. Could he be a guy we would look at ?

http://www.nfl.com/player/richardmarshall/2495894/profile

He's still just 28yo, he used to be pretty solid and Horton has seen and coached him in his best days. I wouldn't be shocked if we consider to bring him in bit probably only if one of our top 4 CBs gets injured. FWIW, I remember him as a much better player than Owens, but who knows, maybe some medical red flags too now

i wouldn't be surprised to see us bring him in, get as much knowledge on the Dolphins D as we can from him, then cut him during final cutdowns to 53.

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I have heard that Colt Mccoy is not too impressive at 49ers camp. Not surprised, I thought he was a little out of his element trying to back up a super bowl contender.

That's probably true, but where did you hear it?

Safe assumption because the 49ers are talking to Senaca Wallace per NFL radio

i would love to see what Colt has to say about helping Seneca learn the SF playbook

Mohamed Massaquoi agrees to terms with N.Y. Jets

Desperate Jets!

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The New York Jets can't get Santonio Holmes back on the field, and some within the organization reportedly believe he's milking an injury. Braylon Edwards, signed for depth last month, hasn't practiced all week.

Enter some reinforcements. NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports that the Jets agreed to terms with Mohammed Massaquoi on Thursday.

Like any mid-August signing, we wouldn't expect Massaquoi to make much of an impact. After all, the receiver-needy Jaguars gave up on Massaquoi only months after handing him $90,000 guaranteed on a two-year contract.

Still, this signing is not good news for Edwards' status. He played with the backups during the team's last preseason game, and he hasn't been seen since. We wouldn't be surprised at all if Edwards' career ends this month.

Not much of a Gil Brandt fan, but at least he's giving some accolades to Weeden and Jordan Cameron, so I thought it should be posted here.

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I just spent 21 consecutive days on the road, visiting 12 NFL training camps and watching one joint practice (between the Atlanta Falcons and Cincinnati Bengals). Needless to say, I soaked up a ton of information. One of the great things about making all those stops is getting to chat up people on various team staffs and finding out which players are rising and falling.

At this halfway point of the preseason schedule, I thought I'd put together a list of ascendant players who stood out through my travels and on tape. These guys, all of whom recently entered the league, look primed to take a big step forward and significantly impact their respective teams. They won't necessarily become All-Pros, but they will have a chance to make a difference.
1) Brandon Weeden, QB, Cleveland Browns

After suffering through a bumpy rookie season in which he threw more interceptions (17) than touchdown passes (14), Weeden is working with two very good new coaches in head man Rob Chudzinski and offensive coordinator Norv Turner -- and the difference is like night and day. Retooling a quarterback is Turner's cup of tea, and it looks like he's done a great job with Weeden's footwork. The Browns are saddled with average receivers, but Weeden has worked well with his tight ends and running backs, showing great arm strength and ball-handling skills.
2) Julius Thomas, TE, Denver Broncos

A former basketball player at Portland State, Thomas didn't do much in his first two seasons with the Broncos, catching one pass while playing in just nine games (including one start). But he's really taken off in the 2013 preseason; against the Seattle Seahawks last Saturday, he was targeted by quarterback Peyton Manning four times -- and came away with four catches for 70 yards. Thomas is a big, athletic player who has shown he can block and be an asset in the receiving game. His size (6-foot-5, 250 pounds) makes him a tough matchup for opposing linebackers and an appealing target for Manning. I think Thomas will beat out veterans Jacob Tamme and Joel Dreessen and slot in as Manning's fourth receiving option. Thomas reminds me of a slightly heavier Shannon Sharpe, someone who could finish the season with around 50 catches and a handful of touchdowns.
3) Chris Givens, WR, St. Louis Rams

Givens flashed promise in his debut season of 2012, finishing with 42 catches for 698 yards and three touchdowns while also setting a rookie record by recording a reception of 50 yards or more in five consecutive games. Still, he was mostly limited to running deep routes. This year, he's added underneath patterns to his route tree, and looks to be much better at route-running in general. He also looked excellent while working with quarterback Sam Bradford. Givens is a smart player. If the Rams' offensive line can keep Bradford upright, Givens will have a big year. He's a real "wow" kind of guy when it comes to running after the catch.
4) Michael Brockers, DT, St. Louis Rams

Brockers had a rough rookie season in 2012, missing the first three games with a high ankle sprain suffered in the preseason finale. He's gotten a lot stronger, as the shoulder problems that prevented him from lifting last year have been corrected. He's also matured a lot as a person. Brockers has very long arms and is tough to move in run blocking. He's playing lower and looks ready to make a marked improvement over last season.
5) Dontari Poe, DT, Kansas City Chiefs

Poe started all 16 games as a rookie in 2012, but he failed to register a single sack; he seemed to be more of a run stuffer than anything. This year, he's lost weight -- he stopped eating barbecue, which is a tough thing to do when you live in Memphis and work in Kansas City -- and looks much better. He's still 330 pounds, but it's a svelte-looking 330 pounds. I was with the Chiefs for two days this offseason, and I saw Poe show very good athletic ability, particularly on one play in which he snagged a batted ball like Bill Russell going up for a rebound. I think he finally found out how good he can be.
6) Michael Floyd, WR, Arizona Cardinals

A first-round pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, Floyd started just three games and finished with 45 catches as a rookie. In a conversation with me, Floyd admitted that he was too heavy last year, and that he didn't realize just how good the competition would be in the NFL. He's lost 10 pounds and was grinding at practice -- he even stayed after to work out. I watched him make several outstanding catches. He has a much better quarterback in Carson Palmer than he ever had in 2012. I wouldn't be surprised to see Floyd finish with 70 catches.
7) Chris Polk, RB, Philadelphia Eagles

At one point, Polk was projected as a potential second-round pick in the 2012 NFL Draft. But thanks in part to injury concerns, he wound up signing with the Eagles as an undrafted free agent and barely made a dent in his rookie campaign, playing in seven games but failing to record a single stat of note. In camp this year, however, he has looked excellent, showing plenty of receiving and running ability. Against the Carolina Panthers last week, Polk notched five carries for 24 yards. If he can secure a spot behind LeSean McCoy on the Eagles' depth chart, he has a chance to be the kind of second running back that everybody needs.
8) Kyle Long, OG, Chicago Bears

The Bears took some heat for making the relatively inexperienced Long the 20th overall pick in April's draft, but he has looked like a solid investment thus far. Long had the fastest 40-yard dash (4.94 seconds) among all guards at the NFL Scouting Combine, and that speed shows when he pulls; just check the tape of the Bears' preseason matchup with the San Diego Chargers. Long is a tough son of a gun who plays with the attacking mentality of a defensive lineman. He also looks like a veteran out there, playing better right now than the two guards drafted before him (Jonathan Cooper, who went seventh overall to the Arizona Cardinals, and Chance Warmack, 10th to the Tennessee Titans). I can't wait to see him match up against big brother Chris, a defensive lineman for the St. Louis Rams, in Week 12.
9) Jordan Cameron, TE, Cleveland Browns

Norv Turner loves to use tight ends as receivers, and this bodes well for Cameron, a speedy third-year man with good hands who promises to be a tough matchup. He looked great against the Detroit Lions last Thursday, notching three catches for 42 yards and two scores.
10) Rueben Randle, WR, New York Giants

Randle had limited production as a rookie, making just one start and catching 19 passes for 298 yards and three scores. He had a tendency to trap the ball rather than use his hands to catch it, but that has changed. A great athlete with natural ball skills, Randle seems to be doing everything better in 2013.
11) Olivier Vernon, DE, Miami Dolphins

Vernon did not start as a rookie last year, but he played in all 16 games, finishing with 3.5 sacks. The quick and tough playmaker has been elevated to a starting spot, and he's been very hard to block in camp. I think he'll be pretty good; he possesses the skills and competitiveness to surprise some folks. Givens

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The Browns are saddled with average receivers

Really ?

Hey I didn't write the article. And stated that I don't care for Gil Brandt all that much.

I don't know. I could see how media would think our receiver corps was average. I mean, average is a huge jump up from where that unit was just 2 seasons ago.

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Hey I didn't write the article. And stated that I don't care for Gil Brandt all that much.

I have a ton of respect for Gil Brandt, a great football mind, but the "average" comment might be selling us a bit short (particularly if potential is factored in)...

Perhaps, but potential needs to transfer to talent when it comes to when the lights get turned on. Our receiving corps hasn't exactly shined in the last few years.

But these guys have shown some promise.

We waived TJ Conley today, so it looks like Lanning is our new punter ... no surprise really.

Browns: Little, Gordon, Bess, Benjamin, +2?

Pats: Amendola, Dobson, Edelman, Thompkins, Boyce, Slater (Browns)
Dolphins: Wallace, Hartline, Gibson, Matthews, Bumphis (Dolphins - slight edge)
Bills: Johnson, Woods, Graham, Goodwin, Smith (Browns)
Jets: Holmes, Hill...just say Browns (Browns)

Ravens: T. Smith, J. Jones, Stokely, Doss, Thomson (Ravens)
Steelers: Brown, Sanders, Cotchery, Wheaton (Browns)
Bengals: Green, Sanu, M. Jones, Tate, Sanzenbacher, Whalen (Browns, as good as Green is)

Colts: Wayne, Hilton, Heyward-Bey, Brazill, Whalen (Browns - also close)
Texans: Johnson, Hopkins, Posey, Jean, Martin (Texans)
Jaguars: Blackmon, Shorts, Mike Brown, Ace Sanders, Toney Clemons (Browns)
Titans: Britt, N. Washington, K. Wright, Kevin Walter, Damian Williams, Justin Hunter (Titans)

Broncos: De. Thomas, Welker, Decker, & Co. (Broncos)
Chargers: Floyd, Royal, V. Brown, K. Allen, Willie (Browns - last 3 very unproven)
Chiefs: Bowe, Avery, McCluster, Wylie (Browns)
Raiders: D. Moore, Streater, Criner, Butler, Ford (Browns)

Eagles: *Maclin, Jackson, Avant, Cooper, D. Johnson (Browns - with injury)
Cowboys: Bryant, Austin, D. Harris, Ter. Williams (Cowboys)
Redskins: Morgan, Garcon, Hankerson, A. Robinson, S. Moss (Browns)
Giants: Nicks, Cruz, Randle, Barden, Murphy, Jernigan (Giants)

Packers: Nelson, Cobb, J. Jones, Boykin, & Co. (Packers)
Bears: Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett, M. Wilson, Joe Anderson (?) (Bears)
Lions: Megatron, Burleson, Broyles, nobodies (Lions)
Vikings: Jennings, Simpson, Patterson, Jarius Wright, Burton, Webb (Browns - two has-beens and four unprovens)

Falcons: really? (Falcons)
Saints: Colston, L. Moore, Toon, Tanner, Stills (Browns)
Buccaneers: V. Jackson, Mike Williams, Ogletree, 2-3 spots up for grabs (Buccs)
Panthers: S. Smith, Lafell, Ginn, Hixon, A. Edwards (Browns in a close one)

49ers: Boldin, *Crabtree, Kyle Williams, Chad Hall, Collie, Hawkins (Browns with injury)
Seahawks: Rice, G. Tate, Harvin, Baldwin, Kearse, Steve Williams (Seahawks)
Cards: Fitzgerald, M. Floyd, A. Roberts, nobodies (Cards)
Rams: Givens, garbage (Browns)

I have Browns better than 17 teams, 2 because of injuries. That's pretty average. Even if you disagree with a couple teams that's still going to be very close to middle of the road.

I care less for him now than I did before, Fargo. What a competition: Brayin', MoMass, Holmes . . . .

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Hey I didn't write the article. And stated that I don't care for Gil Brandt all that much.

I have a ton of respect for Gil Brandt, a great football mind, but the "average" comment might be selling us a bit short (particularly if potential is factored in)...

I'd switch the word 'particularly' with 'only'.

Outside of Bess, who excels in his role, our WR's are average.

Gordon has one year of promising work under his belt, but is trending towards bust status, and Little's been pretty pedestrian.

Now, if you were to ask me if things were going to stay that way...I don't know. I'd say good money's on things trending upward. There's certainly potential.

Little needs to show the improvement he's apparently working hard at, and Gordon needs to prove he can pass a drug test with regularity.

Gil Brandt has an amazing eye for talent.
Calling this bunch of ,well nobodies that have accomplished nothing,average is quite a compliment.

I don't know if this has been posted anywhere

from the redzone....

CB Richard Marshall may choose new team today

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Cornerback Richard Marshall may not be unemployed for long. Marshall visited the Jacksonville Jaguars today and may pick a new team as early as today according to Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com.

The other rumored finalist for Marshall's services are the San Diego Chargers. The talented corner unexpectedly became a free agent this week when the Miami Dolphins cut him in a salary-related move. Marshall was scheduled to make $4.55 million in base salary in 2013.

Marshall would immediately become a starter in either Jacksonville or San Diego. For that matter, Marshall was actually considered a first-string player in Miami but the Dolphins could not justify keeping him at that salary. Marshall can also play slot corner and safety. In Jacksonville Marshall would be a significant upgrade over Alan Ball and start opposite rookie corner Dwayne Gratz.

We have the money why not?

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We have the money why not?

I don't know enough about the guy to have an opinion beyond this:

If he is a sure-fire upgrade over the guys we have now, then we should do it - ASAP.
If it isn't an absolute slam-dunk, then we should roll with the guys we have.

Beyond that: He was in Miami, and the front runners are Jax & San Diego... I have a feeling he isn't exactly wanting to be playing or living in the AFC North.

I don't know much about this guy. While I look stuff up, is there anything that we know about him that would immediately turn us off to bringing him in (age, health, salary reqs, etc.)?

Didn't find anything about him, but I did find this. Chargers got him.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp13/story/_/id/9594922/richard-marshall-san-diego-chargers-agree

He is 28 years old, has 8 years in the league, and sat out some of last year with back issues.

In other news...

Steelers grabbed Felix Jones. Traded for him, shipping out Adrian Robinson (LB I know nothing about) to the Iggles.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp13/st...adelphia-eagles

Thoughts?

The Steelers rookie running back is out indefinitely. Felix Jones is not good. I am happy with the move.

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In other news...

Steelers grabbed Felix Jones. Traded for him, shipping out Adrian Robinson (LB I know nothing about) to the Iggles.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp13/st...adelphia-eagles

Thoughts?

They needed somebody. They got a guy that just signed a one year deal with the Eagles barely 3 months ago.... so, 95 days after signing him, the Eagles were willing to part ways with him in exchange for a no-name linebacker that has accomplished literally nothing in this league.

Looking at the Iggles' depth chart, Felix Jones was fighting for a roster spot.. he was the 4th string RB.

Yep, desperate times call for desperate measures and Felix Jones is one of those examples.

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We have the money why not?

he couldn't beat out Dmitrii Patterson for a starting job despite the fact Miami was paying him $5mil no matter if they kept him or not.

Ouch, I forgot Patterson was there.

When you put it that way...

Miami fan that sits next to me says he had been in competition with rookie Will Davis for the #2 corner spot (behind Grimes) and they decided to cut him since he was making so much $ and hadn't separated himself from the competition... not that he was necessarily beat out. They also drafted Jamar Taylor from BSU.

i like will davis (was among his biggest supporters to be drafted and I'm pretty sure I took him in our GM mock), but he's still a mid-round draft pick, so Marshall should be starting ahead of him at the start of the year at the very least. i'm skeptical at least.

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Browns: Little, Gordon, Bess, Benjamin, +2?

Pats: Amendola, Dobson, Edelman, Thompkins, Boyce, Slater (Browns)
Dolphins: Wallace, Hartline, Gibson, Matthews, Bumphis (Dolphins - slight edge) DISAGREE*
Bills: Johnson, Woods, Graham, Goodwin, Smith (Browns)
Jets: Holmes, Hill...just say Browns (Browns)

Ravens: T. Smith, J. Jones, Stokely, Doss, Thomson (Ravens) DISAGREE*
Steelers: Brown, Sanders, Cotchery, Wheaton (Browns)
Bengals: Green, Sanu, M. Jones, Tate, Sanzenbacher, Whalen (Browns, as good as Green is)

Colts: Wayne, Hilton, Heyward-Bey, Brazill, Whalen (Browns - also close)
Texans: Johnson, Hopkins, Posey, Jean, Martin (Texans)
Jaguars: Blackmon, Shorts, Mike Brown, Ace Sanders, Toney Clemons (Browns)
Titans: Britt, N. Washington, K. Wright, Kevin Walter, Damian Williams, Justin Hunter (Titans) DISAGREE *

Broncos: De. Thomas, Welker, Decker, & Co. (Broncos)
Chargers: Floyd, Royal, V. Brown, K. Allen, Willie (Browns - last 3 very unproven)
Chiefs: Bowe, Avery, McCluster, Wylie (Browns)
Raiders: D. Moore, Streater, Criner, Butler, Ford (Browns)

Eagles: *Maclin, Jackson, Avant, Cooper, D. Johnson (Browns - with injury)
Cowboys: Bryant, Austin, D. Harris, Ter. Williams (Cowboys)DISAGREE *
Redskins: Morgan, Garcon, Hankerson, A. Robinson, S. Moss (Browns)
Giants: Nicks, Cruz, Randle, Barden, Murphy, Jernigan (Giants)

Packers: Nelson, Cobb, J. Jones, Boykin, & Co. (Packers)
Bears: Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett, M. Wilson, Joe Anderson (?) (Bears)
Lions: Megatron, Burleson, Broyles, nobodies (Lions)
Vikings: Jennings, Simpson, Patterson, Jarius Wright, Burton, Webb (Browns - two has-beens and four unprovens)

Falcons: really? (Falcons)
Saints: Colston, L. Moore, Toon, Tanner, Stills (Browns)
Buccaneers: V. Jackson, Mike Williams, Ogletree, 2-3 spots up for grabs (Buccs)DISAGREE *
Panthers: S. Smith, Lafell, Ginn, Hixon, A. Edwards (Browns in a close one)

49ers: Boldin, *Crabtree, Kyle Williams, Chad Hall, Collie, Hawkins (Browns with injury)
Seahawks: Rice, G. Tate, Harvin, Baldwin, Kearse, Steve Williams (Seahawks)DISAGREE *
Cards: Fitzgerald, M. Floyd, A. Roberts, nobodies (Cards)
Rams: Givens, garbage (Browns)

I have Browns better than 17 teams, 2 because of injuries. That's pretty average. Even if you disagree with a couple teams that's still going to be very close to middle of the road.

I give us 6 more, that's 23 and 7 above average ... JMHO

With Geno playing so crappy, Mark playing crappy and now injured - Jets are looking at Matt Lienart LMAO!

Talk about extreme level of desperate. They also be looking at Beck:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/25/jets-to-look-at-leinart-beck/

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With Geno playing so crappy, Mark playing crappy and now injured - Jets are looking at Matt Lienart LMAO!

Talk about extreme level of desperate. They also be looking at Beck:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/25/jets-to-look-at-leinart-beck/

Ugh.

If I were a Jets fan I'd be begging for a barf icon right about now.

If news reports are to be believed, Tebow should be available some time this week. Just trying to help, Rex.

Matt Leinart? Good luck with that.

My friend is a Jets fan and he was trying to tell me how hard it was rooting for them ... I have no sympathy because they've been in two AFC title games recently.

It'd be hard to root for the Jets, but not just because of how bad they are. They're easily the least likable team in the league, in my opinion.

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It'd be hard to root for the Jets, but not just because of how bad they are. They're easily the least likable team in the league, in my opinion.

I think that would be the eagles.
The reason the jets are unlikeable is because Rex keeps promising superbowl and playoffs every year.

I actually don't mind the Eagles. For the simple fact that they're going to be interesting to watch under Chip Kelly. He's going to upset a lot of NFL coaches. They don't like that stuff he ran at Oregon. He starts doing that in the NFL, he's going to upset a lot of people.

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I actually don't mind the Eagles. For the simple fact that they're going to be interesting to watch under Chip Kelly. He's going to upset a lot of NFL coaches. They don't like that stuff he ran at Oregon. He starts doing that in the NFL, he's going to upset a lot of people.

only if it works.

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It'd be hard to root for the Jets, but not just because of how bad they are. They're easily the least likable team in the league, in my opinion.

I agree and a lot of that starts with the head coach.. JMO of course.

j/c

The Bears released S Tom Zbikowski today ... he has had some success in the 3-4 defense but struggled to adapt to the Bears 4-3 ... worth a look?

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/9598828/chicago-bears-release-safety-tom-zbikowski

I would sign Tom Zbikowski immediately.

COlt McCoy is on the trading block, maybe the Jets should pick him up lololol!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...francisco-49ers

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COlt McCoy is on the trading block, maybe the Jets should pick him up lololol!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...francisco-49ers

they might they are hurting so are the bills.
Jets signing him would not surprise me.

The Jets are signing anybody who resembles a football player at this point.

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So you're saying they won't go after Colt McCoy?

Looks like Cribbs is going to be cut by the Raiders.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...d-nears-an-end/

Cribbs is getting his knee checked as his time in Oakland nears an end

Posted by Mike Florio on August 25, 2013, 2:57 PM EDT

The career of Josh Cribbs could be coming to a conclusion. At a minimum, his time in Oakland appears to be up.

Per a league source, Cribbs is currently getting his knee checked by physicians as the Raiders plan to move on from the eight-year veteran.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Network has reported that the Raiders will cut Cribbs. Depending on the extent of the injury, they may have to put him on injured reserve or agree to terms on an injury settlement. A grievance could be filed to determine how much salary Cribbs should be paid — a question that will be driven by when he is expected to return to 100 percent.

The injured knee isn’t the knee that kept him on the market for an extended period after his contract with the Browns expired.

For now, it’s unknown what the Raiders will do until an assessment of the knee is completed. It appears that, at a minimum, Cribbs’ time with Oakland is over. The only question is whether he gets cut or placed or IR or receives an injury settlement or files a grievance.

Haha I just posted that link in the injury thread

Feel bad for Josh, I really do...

Cribbs to the Jets ... to play QB?

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I wouldn't wish that on any player to have to go there. I'd rather just see him retire lol.

Cribbs officially cut:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ible-grievance/

Peyton Hillis drops to #4 tailback and will seemingly be cut.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/267318/peyton-hillis-plummets-to-bucs-no-4-tailback

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Looks like Cribbs is going to be cut by the Raiders.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...d-nears-an-end/

Cribbs is getting his knee checked as his time in Oakland nears an end

Posted by Mike Florio on August 25, 2013, 2:57 PM EDT

The career of Josh Cribbs could be coming to a conclusion. At a minimum, his time in Oakland appears to be up.

Per a league source, Cribbs is currently getting his knee checked by physicians as the Raiders plan to move on from the eight-year veteran.

Ian Rapoport of NFL Network has reported that the Raiders will cut Cribbs. Depending on the extent of the injury, they may have to put him on injured reserve or agree to terms on an injury settlement. A grievance could be filed to determine how much salary Cribbs should be paid — a question that will be driven by when he is expected to return to 100 percent.

The injured knee isn’t the knee that kept him on the market for an extended period after his contract with the Browns expired.

For now, it’s unknown what the Raiders will do until an assessment of the knee is completed. It appears that, at a minimum, Cribbs’ time with Oakland is over. The only question is whether he gets cut or placed or IR or receives an injury settlement or files a grievance.

I feel really bad for Cribbs, but about now, this is making Banner, Lombardi and the coaching staff here look pretty smart.

It's a shame that Cribbs could well go out like that.

McCoy's time in Frisco appears to be at an end as well. Former Browns aren't doing so well in some cases. Somehow Usama Young still has a job though. Explain that one to me.

Tommy Streeter...he was cut by the Ravens. Tall & fast...played with Benjamin at Miami.

Height: 6'5"
Weight: 219
40 time: 4.34

http://www.youtube.com/v/p8Bu3538FdY

There were several guys who pimped him prior to the draft last year IIRC. I seem to recall a lot of angst when the Ravens took him.

The Ravens also dumped Visanthe Shiancoe. Man, I don't know who they are going to have play TE for them.

We could pick up Streeter for the first two weeks while Gordon is out ... he'd help us with the Ravens offense as well

Cribbs has been one of my favorite players sorry to see his career come to an end especially this manner.

If this is the end for Josh, I'd like to see the Browns sign him and let him retire as a Cleveland Brown. Maybe even have a half-time ceremony honoring him. He deserves some recognition for what he meant to this team through some pretty dark years.

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If this is the end for Josh, I'd like to see the Browns sign him and let him retire as a Cleveland Brown. Maybe even have a half-time ceremony honoring him. He deserves some recognition for what he meant to this team through some pretty dark years.

that would be a cool gesture. he really was a bright spot in a dark time.

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Tommy Streeter...he was cut by the Ravens. Tall & fast...played with Benjamin at Miami.

Height: 6'5"
Weight: 219
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http://www.youtube.com/v/p8Bu3538FdY

Nice,, but why did the ravens cut him? What does Ozzie know?

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The Jets are signing anybody who resembles a football player at this point.

So you're saying they won't go after Colt McCoy?

Ahhhh..........now I get why you are so offended if anyone criticizes Weeden. You must have made a stand last year in the Weeden/McCoy debate on this particular board last year and God forbid............you were wrong.

Report: 49ers trying to trade Colt McCoy

Trade him??

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People laugh but Banner managed to do it, right?

Bills fear Kolb's latest concussion may be career ending. He needs to retire anyway, dude is injured more than anyone in the NFL possibly.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-career-ending/

Bills sign Lienhart, and also trade for former Cleveland QB Thad Lewis:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...m-detroit-lions

Interesting...........but I think there is a more interesting story here. Seneca Wallace is a cancer. I don't know if there will be a market for Colt, but I would rather have him as a backup than Wallace. The guy was poison when he was here. SF is a legit SB contender. They don't need the likes of that slime ball.

j/c

Yeah SW is problematic.

On another note did Detroit really get White for Lewis?

White, if I remember is a ST stud.

This shows me two things: 1. The Bills know Kolb is DONE. 2. The Bills fear Manuel may be out a while.

yeah this Kolb's 3rd concussion, he might be done.

Wow, that is just amazing to me, I had no idea he had that problem

Ravens released G R.Harewood, who started 5 games at LG for them last season.

Might be worth a look

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Yeah SW is problematic.

IMO, seneca was problematic because he wasnt willing to help his only competition at the position get better, and beat him out for the job. As much as you want a guy who is 100% team first, i definitely cannot blame a guy for realizing he was getting probably his last chance to start for a team (outside of injury), and not wanting to give that opportunity up.

I think that created a rift because of it, but i am not sure he would be a cancer to a team he went to where the starter was obvious from the start. in a back up role, seneca wallace isnt a bad guy to have-- you could definitely be worse off putting a LOT of other QBs in the game instead of him. jmho

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I feel really bad for Cribbs, but about now, this is making Banner, Lombardi and the coaching staff here look pretty smart.

Yeah, watching Phil Dawson kick that 50 yard FG yesterday certainly made me think of how smart Banner and Lombardi are......

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RB Joe McKnight just cut by the Jets

I kind of liked watching Cook. TO be blunt, I hope he gets extended playing time this preseason finale to get to see him better. Not really got to see much of him before and after resigning him.

Redskins axe Donte Stallworth. What team will take him next I wonder? Always seems someone does.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...ington-redskins

From clevelandbrowns.com

The Browns have waived DB Vernon Kearney, DL Dave Kruger, WR Cordell Roberson and LB Tommy Smith.

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I feel really bad for Cribbs, but about now, this is making Banner, Lombardi and the coaching staff here look pretty smart.

Yeah, watching Phil Dawson kick that 50 yard FG yesterday certainly made me think of how smart Banner and Lombardi are......

Man I hated seeing Phil go.. I really did. But I also understand it. We are a little ways (or a long ways, depending on who you speak to) away from being a contender. Will Phil still be good by then? couple that with the cost and you can easily see why they let him leave.

Still, of all the people that left us, I'd have preferred to retain Phil.

Sorry Paul, but your brother was tangled in a mess with quality DL. No chance really, hopefully he gets picked up by someone else.

I really respected the way Stallworth handled that whole unfortunate accident he had. He was drunk, but the guy he hit was crossing the road illegally, and from what I read from reputable sources, a sober driver probably still have hit the guy.

He took responsibility, and was remorseful from the first day, and I can respect that. He made an enormous mistake, but he didn't try to hide it, and he paid his debt, both to the family of the guy he hit, and to society, without complaint.

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We are a little ways (or a long ways, depending on who you speak to) away from being a contender. Will Phil still be good by then? couple that with the cost and you can easily see why they let him leave.

This is the argument that sends me up a wall. If Joe Thomas was up for contract renewal would you let him go because we won't be "good" for a few years? The answer is a resounding "NO". He's one of the reasons we will be good. Plus, we had (and still have) plenty of cap room to sign a guy that can win us a game from 50 yards away (from the end zone) in December on the lake.

Banner and Lombardi have made some good moves. This wasn't one of them.

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So you're saying they won't go after Colt McCoy?

Ahhhh..........now I get why you are so offended if anyone criticizes Weeden. You must have made a stand last year in the Weeden/McCoy debate on this particular board last year and God forbid............you were wrong.

1. I criticize Weeden plenty. My criticisms just happened to be warranted, while yours seems to be about 'being right'

2. There was a McCoy/Weeden debate? Pretty sure that debate was over the minute Goodell said "The Cleveland Browns select Brandon Weeden"

3. Even if there was a debate and I chose the side of Weeden, I sure wouldn't be wrong. If you're telling me you'd take Colt McCoy over Weeden, you're losing a lot of credibility with me with that statement.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000233304/article/roster-cuts-for-all-32-nfl-teams

The NFL website has a lot of cuts not mentioned here. I remember Bruce Campbell when he was drafted. I thought he was pretty highly thought of at the time but I see he hasn't stuck any where. What is his deal injuries or just not that good?

And it seems Arz. cut Dan Carpenter. I thought they just signed him last week. Wonder what that is all about. I thought he was a pretty good kicker last year or the one before.

We've cut 4 players so far according to your link:

Cleveland Browns
DB Vernon Kearney, DL Dave Kruger, WR Cordell Roberson, LB Tommy Smith

Bruce Campbell had an awesome combine after being thought of as a mid-round player. Because of that, a lot of smarty-pants talking heads said the Raiders were going to draft him in the first round. The Raiders did draft him... in the 4th round (IIRC.) Either way, he was seen as an elite athlete whose size governed he play on the line, but was never consensus considered a sure thing as a football talent.

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I remember Bruce Campbell when he was drafted. I thought he was pretty highly thought of at the time but I see he hasn't stuck any where. What is his deal injuries or just not that good?

I think it was age, more than anything else-

...just sayin'

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dang... i was hoping

Yeah, how dare anyone question the great Johnny Adams?

Somewhat disappointing to see him get cut this early. Your small school crush Campbell didn't get very far too. Both probably because of lack of size.

Another prospect I pimped hard and that inexplicably slid in the draft was WR Q.Patton, who's getting a ton of props with the 49ers right now. It'll be interesting to compare his career to McFadden's and whoever we're going to draft with that Steeler's 3rd next draft, as he was up there on my board at the time of those picks.

Anyway, the names that could interest the Browns at this stage are G/T Harewood (BAL), G Dombrowski (both spot starters and the latter played under Turner his entire career, fwiw) and G Peterman (DET) , who was a below AVG starter the past 7 years in this league. I'd also be interested in CB D.Fletcher from the Jets

Roberson still confused the heck out of me. In 3 games he had 4 catches for 79 yards. I thought he looked like he had more potential than most of the other young receivers, so for him to be the 1st to go is a little confusing. I know that he had issues with some of the shorter routes, but he seemed to have a great attitude, and was a hard worker from what I have read.

Weird that he would go before guys like Edwards, Gurley, and Roosevelt, (who I didn't even know was on the team) who showed far less than Roberson did.

Maybe they're trying to cut him early to sneak him through to the practice squad ..... or maybe they just don't think that he can develop the skills necessary to work inside? Who knows?

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This is the argument that sends me up a wall. If Joe Thomas was up for contract renewal would you let him go because we won't be "good" for a few years? The answer is a resounding "NO". He's one of the reasons we will be good. Plus, we had (and still have) plenty of cap room to sign a guy that can win us a game from 50 yards away (from the end zone) in December on the lake.

Banner and Lombardi have made some good moves. This wasn't one of them.

I wouldn't let Thomas go,, He'll be 30 years old in December of 2014, one month later and Dawson will be 11 years older. You are comparing apples and oranges..

The fact that we're bickering about a Kicker tells you all you need to know about the success of the Browns over the past 13 years.

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We weren't bickering over a kicker we were discussing how well Banner and Lombardi do their jobs. Try and keep up will ya

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The Browns have waived wide receiver Jordan Norwood, a league source told the Beacon Journal today, speaking on condition of anonymity because the team has yet to announce to the move.

Norwood, who spent the past three seasons with the Browns, had a strong start to training camp this summer, but a nagging hamstring injury sidelined him for several practices and two preseason games. Norwood, 26, returned to practice Thursday but sat out Saturday during the third exhibition game against the Indianapolis Colts. He played in the preseason opener Aug. 8, catching one pass for 9 yards.

The 5-foot-11, 180-pound Norwood compiled 13 catches for 137 yards in two games last season. He suffered a foot injury Oct. 7 against the New York Giants that sidelined him for the rest of the season.

In 2011, Norwood started four of the 14 games in which he appeared for the Browns. He tallied 23 catches for 268 yards and one touchdown.

Former Browns General Manager Tom Heckert brought Norwood to Cleveland in 2010 as a practice-squad player. He was on the active roster for five games but did not play that season. Norwood spent the 2009 season with the Philadelphia Eagles, appearing in one game.

All NFL teams are required to trim their rosters to a maximum of 75 players before 4 p.m. Tuesday and a maximum of 53 players before 6 p.m. Saturday. With Norwood's departure, the Browns have 83 players.

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I think it was age, more than anything else-

...just sayin'

Thank you, dawg

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Me either.

I really thought that Norwood was going to be a great receiver in the WCO, but injuries kept biting him. I thought that he might have a chance as a 3rd down/special teams type this year, but again, injuries bit him.

I am actually stunned that these guys are being dumped before some of the real nobodies on the roster. They must want to get a better look at the guys they don't know over the last few days before the next cut down date.

I suppose that they could also be doing him a favor, in giving him a chance to draw the attention of the league before the big names (potentially) hit the cut lists. His name could stand out for a team looking for receivers more now than on the final cuts.

Norwood is a poor man's Bess.

I still think that he'll be a good slot guy got a team, if he can stay healthy. Unfortunately, that's been his biggest problem. He's been productive, when he can get on the field.

I was a big fan of his from way back, and seem to recall that Django was also. Oh well, just shows that you can't win a job from the trainer's room.

Bye Jordan. Easily would have outbeat Cooper if only you could have stayed healthy (the story of camp these days)

So... how is Nelson still on the roster?

Probably due to his physical stature/upside, and the fact that he signed a cheapy one year deal. He is practicing but if he cuts and tweaks his knee again, he is another one of the guys on a tight bubble.

Besides, he was brought in knowing he was injured/risk.

Browns Place RB Lewis On Season-Ending IR

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com

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http://cleveland.cbslocal.com

Color me surprised. I thought, for certain, that at the least he would be on the IR-to-Return list.

Braylon axed by the Jets:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...after-one-month

You know you're crappy when you get axed by that organization haha... just sayin'.

Bummer. Good luck to him.

If that doesn't crush his ego and make him wake up, nothing will.

Wait, there's still Jax, right?

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you mean JAX could sign-n-waive Robiskie, MoMass, and Braylon?

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If that doesn't crush his ego and make him wake up, nothing will.

FWIW, my money's on 'nothing.'

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Banner and Lombardi have made some good moves. This wasn't one of them.

I'd say the odds are at least 50% in favor of Dawson not wanting to be here any longer. Actually, I think that is the main reason why he isn't. I know some say he wanted to be here, but when you add up all the facts we can see, nothing points to Phil wanting to stay here.

Look....we had to franchise him the last two years. I doubt we wanted to pay the franchise amount but had no choice because he wouldn't agree to what ever contract we presented him. It doesn't make sense we didn't try to offer him a deal and just decided to pay the franchise amount the last two years. Enter Lombardi and Banner....they never had a chance to sign him because the guy didn't want to be here.

For you and the others who think he wanted to stay here and lay blame on Lombardi and Banner for Phil's departure, answer me this question. Why didn't/couldn't we sign him 2 years ago and had to pay franchise money to retain his services?

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http://cleveland.cbslocal.com

Color me surprised. I thought, for certain, that at the least he would be on the IR-to-Return list.

Could be after looking at the prognosis, it was just going to be too late....and maybe they have another guy eyed for that designation....Nelson?

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Why didn't/couldn't we sign him 2 years ago and had to pay franchise money to retain his services?

That's easy. He wanted a longer (term) deal and they wouldn't give it to him.

All the "Did he or didn't he want to stay" arguing aside I cannot believe that someone as intelligent as you wouldn't rather have Phil kicking for us than the duo that we have currently. One or both of them MIGHT be OK but let's face it, Phil was "money".

I never said I didn't want him. All I am saying is he didn't want to be here.

Dawson just signed a 1 year deal with SF. We just paid him franchise money for 2 years. Something tells he we offered him 2 or 3 years, and he wanted more. Sorry, at his age then, you aren't going to offer 4-5 years. Even if we did, I am of the opinion he wasn't going to take it. He wanted to kick for the Texans is what he wanted.....JMO

Otto, the numbers don't add up. It wasn't the years offered. It was the fact Phil is nearing the end of his career and he wants a SuperBowl ring chance.

I don't know when Phil hits the wall, but it can't be that far away. Which team is going to give him a better shot at a ring over the next few years....SF or the Browns?

We both know that answer, so I don't blame the guy one bit. I wish him well and look forward to being in the stands when we add him to our ring of honor. I hope he gets his bling.

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Yeah, watching Phil Dawson kick that 50 yard FG yesterday certainly made me think of how smart Banner and Lombardi are......

I could have sworn Graham kicked a 50 yarder. But, let's not facts get in the way of a good bashing.

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1. I criticize Weeden plenty. My criticisms just happened to be warranted, while yours seems to be about 'being right'

2. There was a McCoy/Weeden debate? Pretty sure that debate was over the minute Goodell said "The Cleveland Browns select Brandon Weeden"

3. Even if there was a debate and I chose the side of Weeden, I sure wouldn't be wrong. If you're telling me you'd take Colt McCoy over Weeden, you're losing a lot of credibility with me with that statement.

1. LMAO on the being right comment. I am one of the few people who EVER admits to being wrong. People will back me up on that. My analysis of Weeden's play deals w/facts. You get upset when I present them.

2. Sorry pal, but others have already told me there were camps battling on this board over the qbs last year.

3. Weeden played worse than Colt under better circumstances. But, just so you know..........I took a lot of grief on the other board for saying that Colt wasn't a starting qb from day freaking one. Unlike you, I had no horses in the race. I just want a good qb to play for the Browns and could care less about "looking" right.

Oh, and I could care less if the likes of you find me credible or not.

That's a surprise - didnt think he'd get cut this early if at all... Maybe they wanted to give another team a chance to pick him up... Who's knows... I met Norwood last year at a game.. Nice kid... Wish him luck

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That's easy. He wanted a longer (term) deal and they wouldn't give it to him.

All the "Did he or didn't he want to stay" arguing aside I cannot believe that someone as intelligent as you wouldn't rather have Phil kicking for us than the duo that we have currently. One or both of them MIGHT be OK but let's face it, Phil was "money".

We all wanted Phil to be here. He didn't want to be here. Did you listen to his comments the other night when SF was on TV. The guy wanted out. I am not bashing him for that. There are no good guys. No bad guys. The Browns have sucked for years. The guy is getting older. He wanted to play for a contender in a nicer city. Luckily for him, he is good enough to have his dream come true.

But, guys like you wanna blame the new FO for it. That is just stupid. Did you twist off when H and H didn't sign him long term the last two years? LOL............I didn't think so. It's amazing how transparently phony so many of you are.

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That's a surprise - didnt think he'd get cut this early if at all... Maybe they wanted to give another team a chance to pick him up... Who's knows... I met Norwood last year at a game.. Nice kid... Wish him luck

I feel the same way to a degree, but if there is one thing the NFL has, it has a plethora of average wide receivers. If you are that, you can only expect 2-3-4 years before a team moves on to the next average guy in hopes he catches fire.

I can't quite say I am surprised Roberson got cut, but only because he was a nobody. However, I thought the guy had a nice preseason and looked better than many of our other WRs.

I feel bad for the kid.

Let's also remember that any of these guys could be signed to the PS. Roberson might make it there is no one picks him up.

Yeah, I hope so.

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Yeah, watching Phil Dawson kick that 50 yard FG yesterday certainly made me think of how smart Banner and Lombardi are......

I could have sworn Graham kicked a 50 yarder. But, let's not facts get in the way of a good bashing.

You crack me up sometimes, Vers. Dragging facts into a thread and completely derailing it.

Sorry bro.

I need to ask you a question. There were a couple of dudes back in the day who had the "Cap" in their user name. Are you the same guy I met before the Denver game? You were w/your mom?

If so, I wanna say how impressed I was w/the both of you. Very classy people. Very polite. Great character.

If not, .............never mind.

No, that wasn't me.

Sorry. That is embarrassing.

The Texans released RB Ray Graham from Pitt

Despite them both being from Pitt, Graham has some of the shifty moves that Dion Lewis has. I know Houston is stacked at RB, so maybe he's a name for us to look at.

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That's easy. He wanted a longer (term) deal and they wouldn't give it to him.

All the "Did he or didn't he want to stay" arguing aside I cannot believe that someone as intelligent as you wouldn't rather have Phil kicking for us than the duo that we have currently. One or both of them MIGHT be OK but let's face it, Phil was "money".

Ok, but that's not on Banner and Lombardi. that's on Heckert. How long was the contract he signed with the 9ers? Wasn't it 1 year? Why wouldn't he sign a 1 year deal here?

I can't speak for Peen, but I sure as hell wanted him to finish his career here. But that isn't the question.

Oh and I bet Peen would rather have Phil here also. Just a guess.

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I feel bad for the kid.

Don't get me wrong ..... I never thought that the kid was going to make the final roster .... but I am surprised that he got cut before a lot of the other young receivers on the team.

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I can't quite say I am surprised Roberson got cut, but only because he was a nobody. However, I thought the guy had a nice preseason and looked better than many of our other WRs.

I feel bad for the kid.

Don't get me wrong ..... I never thought that the kid was going to make the final roster .... but I am surprised that he got cut before a lot of the other young receivers on the team.

I think that's what confused me a little on him.. I thought he had a good preseason. Like you, I didn't expect him to survive final cuts either. But I expected him to put on the PS.

At this point, I think he's worth that at the very least. we'll see, he may return. if not, I hope he showed enough for another team to snag him..

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But, guys like you wanna blame the new FO for it. That is just stupid. Did you twist off when H and H didn't sign him long term the last two years? LOL............I didn't think so. It's amazing how transparently phony so many of you are.

It's also amazing how big a douche some people can be when replying to another poster who has a differing opinion. Civility never having been taught at their house, I guess.

Since I don't know what "twist off" means I can't actually answer that question but I will say that when they didn't sign Phil the second year I felt it was a big mistake. You weren't here then so there is no way you'd know either way what any of us thought or said.

I'm sure Phil is thrilled to be with a valid SB contender. And maybe that's all he wanted in the end. I certainly would not hold that against him. But I also happen to believe that if you sweeten the pot enough any objections that a player may have can and will suddenly disappear.

By the way, just because I disagree with the way they handled Phil's negotiations doesn't mean I "hate" the current FO. Unlike you and your borderline psychotic need to blast Holmgren and Heckert at every chance I feel this FO has done a reasonably good job. I'm just not willing to rubber stamp every move they make like you apparently are.

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Despite them both being from Pitt, Graham has some of the shifty moves that Dion Lewis has. I know Houston is stacked at RB, so maybe he's a name for us to look at.

I haven't watched him at all this preseason, but any RB is worth a quick look as I am very worried about our RB depth with Dion(IR) and Hardesty(knee surgery - out until late Sept at least).

I think he would have a hard time displacing Brandon Jackson in the 3rd down role merely because B-Jax is a phenomenal blitz-pickup guy and a good receiver, but we still do need a secondary runner to Richardson (as I don't think that's B-Jax).

Jets cut a guard that was supposed to be a starter. Dont know why.

I agree. I've read some people say that we have BJax and Hardesty to back up Trent, which is true ... but they don't have the skill set that Dion has. We need that true change of pace back. I could see Nov was in love with Dion and was his newer version of Sproles. We need a back like that.

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you mean Peterman? haven't watched preseason football, but he has been terrible for the Lions the last couple of years, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just saw it. I thought it was funny that people thought he would start when they signed him (they did draft an OG in the 2nd or 3rd round though ---- looked it up, Kent State's own Brian Winters, 3rd round but he's been out with an ankle injury).

Lions give “Kickalicious” the boot

Posted by Darin Gantt on August 27, 2013, 9:58 AM EDT
Havard Rugland
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David Akers is a solid, respectable, veteran kicker, which is fine.

That doesn’t mean that the Lions aren’t a little less fun with him kicking field goals.

According to the team’s official website, the Lions cleared the way for Akers by releasing kicker Havard Rugland, better known as “Kickalicious” from his trick-shot video.

While he came to camp a curiosity, he’s made a name for himself with a strong leg, and has shown well enough in the preseason that he’ll likely get another chance somewhere.

The Lions also released cornerback DeQuan Menzie, and have three more moves to make before this afternoon’s 4 p.m. deadline to get to 75.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/27/lions-give-kickalicious-the-boot/

I don't necessarily look at Lewis (or in comparison Sproles) as a change-of-pace back-- I see them both as a utility back that offers that extra winkle offensively. I look at a change-of-pace back as still that direct backup to the #1 RB that can run effectively between the tackles, just that their running style differs. Lewis, and again Sproles, don't fit that mold as they haven't proved the ability to be successful running in between tackles. Brandon Jackson, and when healthy, Montario Hardesty have...at least better than Lewis.

Back to the comparison of Sproles and Lewis (which I agree with) Sproles hardly was asked to share the load running the football and was used more in the passing game. For example, last year he averaged 3 carries a game but almost 6 receptions. 6 receptions can rival good WRs production IMO. And I also think his carries were simply to keep defenses honest and not assume Sproles was instantly running a screen or becoming the check down receiver the minute he ran onto the field. Also, they both are a liability blocking due to their size. Except for one year in carries in SD under Turner, Sproles essentially played the same role there as he is doing now in NO.

Look, don't get me wrong....losing Dion Lewis is a big deal to the versatility of this offense and I hope we have him on the roster next year. But I just don't think we'd see him on the field as much as people thought and I didn't see him a the RB that would carry the ball in an effort to share the load with Richardson-- I still think those spots are for Jackson and Hardesty, and perhaps even Oby now as the RB depth has hit some depth concerns due to injuries.

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Sorry. That is embarrassing.

Not at all, no worries.

They're making room for Tebow, or some equally hilarious roster addition.

I love the Jets.

New England has trimmed to 75-man roster and Tebow survived the initial wave of cuts *so far*.

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BEREA (2.3 The Fan) – The Cleveland Browns placed running back Montario Hardesty on injured reserve Tuesday as the team cut the roster to 75.

The Browns also waived fullback Owen Marecic, linebacker Kendrick Adams, offensive lineman Dominic Alford, wide receiver Dominique Croom, defensive lineman Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, offensive lineman Ryan Miller and tight end Travis Tannahill.

Marecic was selected in the 4th round of the 2011 draft. The pick was acquired from Atlanta in the Julio Jones draft day deal.

Chudzinski said Tuesday that cutting players is not an easy thing to do.

“It’s difficult,” Chudzinski said. “I recognize that a lot of these guys, this is their dream to play. I take that seriously, sitting down with them and talking through things. The crazy thing about this business is that you just never know. For some of them, it is the last time they play. For some of them, they will play somewhere else. For some of them, we may pick them up later on down the road. You just never know.

“I appreciate everything that they have done.”

Offensive lineman Chris Faulk was also placed on the reserve/non-football injury list.

In addition to trimming their own roster, the Browns also were awarded outside linebacker Paul Hazel from Jacksonville and punter Colton Schmidt from San Francisco

“We are evaluating not only our own players but also the players from other teams who may have been released,” Chudzinski said. “It’s a fluid situation. I know that Mike Lombardi and our scouting staff are working tirelessly on evaluating and looking into all of the other potential different situations we have out there.”

I posted another article, but it looks like it disappeared into the ether. Oh well, you beat me by a minute anyway.

The only thing I'm surprised about regarding Marecic is that it took this long. I'm also kind of surprised we didn't give him a look at linebacker. Wasn't he a starting LB in college, as well as the FB?

Cutting Owen = solid move lmao!

Good bye and GOOD RIDDANCE!

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Are there any cuts of note from other teams? I read rumors that teams are calling us like crazy about our Dlinemen .. we'll see.

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SanFord is clearly available for trade lol. I don't want to see Winn, Hughes, Rubin, Taylor or Bryant even being talked/discussed about being traded/released. I want all them big bodies on the 53 man roster.

Norwood to the Bucs

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/28/buccaneers-sign-jordan-norwood/

Good for him. Hopefully he can stay on the field.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/28/buccaneers-sign-jordan-norwood/

Glad for him, Good luck kid

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In a surprise move, the Patriots have cut cornerback Ras-I Dowling.

Adam Schefter of ESPN was the first to report that the Patriots made the move, and it was confirmed on the league’s transaction wire on Wednesday afternoon.

Heading into the 2011 NFL draft, the Patriots liked Dowling so much that they took him with the first pick in the second round (a pick they had previously acquired in a trade with the Panthers). And Dowling showed early promise, starting the first two games of the season.

But Dowling suffered a hip injury in Week Two of his rookie year and missed the rest of the season, and Dowling’s 2012 season was also cut short because of an injury, this time a torn muscle in his thigh. Through two seasons Dowling has played in only nine games.

Now Dowling is done in New England.

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He seems like a talented guy who just can't stay healthy. He might be worth taking a look at because of our lack of depth at the cornerback position.

This is interesting. If Dowling has any shot to help us (is he better than Wade?) we need to get him.

Browns awarded rookie LB Eric Martin, waive 2012 7th-round pick Trevin Wade
by Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group
8/28/2013 5:06 PM Print

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The Browns were awarded rookie linebacker Eric Martin on waivers from New Orleans today and waived cornerback Trevin Wade.
Wade, a seventh-round pick last season out of Arizona, suffered a sprained shoulder near the end of camp when he made a diving interception.
Martin, a 6-2, 250-pound linebacker out of Nebraska, originally signed with the Saints as an undrafted free agent on April 28. He appeared in all three of the Saints’ preseason contests and recorded one special-teams tackle. He was waived Tuesday.
As a first-team All-Big Ten honoree as a senior, Martin led the Cornhuskers with 8.5 sacks. A native of Moreno Valley, Calif., he graduated from Rancho Verde High School.
Martin will wear No. 56 and is expected to be available for Thursday’s game

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is he an OLB? Why are we signing so many LBs?

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Trying to find a special team ace? Most of these guys will be cut soon anyway.

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SanFord is clearly available for trade lol. I don't want to see Winn, Hughes, Rubin, Taylor or!Bryant even being talked/discussed about being traded/released. I want all them big bodies on the 53 man roster.

I understand the feeling, but I would move any one of them if the deal was right

Up to date cuts as per NFL.com.

Please, would some poster please find an RB we can take a look at and call Banner/Lombardi.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000233304/article/roster-cuts-for-all-32-nfl-teams

Arizona Cardinals

OT Joe Caprioglio, K Dan Carpenter, WR Jarett Dillard, WR Nick Edwards, C Deveric Gallington, DE Cordian Hagans, S Javon Harris, LB Korey Jones, DT Jonathan Mathis, TE Mickey Shuler, QB Caleb Terbush, C Scott Wedige, CB Ronnie Yell

Atlanta Falcons

TE Tim Biere, FB Devonte Campbell, LB Nick Clancy, TE Colin Cloherty, QB Seth Doege, WR Rashad Evans, DE Cam Henderson, WR Marcus Jackson, OT Jeff Nady, RB Donald Russell, WR Marcus Sales, S Troy Sanders, C Matt Smith, DE Brandon Thurmond

Baltimore Ravens

RB Damien Berry, WR Rashaad Carter, G/OT Jack Cornell, ILB Bryan Hall, G/OT Ramon Harewood, CB Moe Lee, OT David Mims, DE Will Pericak, WR Gerrard Sheppard, WR Tommy Streeter, TE Visanthe Shiancoe, LB Meshak Williams

Buffalo Bills

DB Dominique Ellis, WR Da'Rick Rogers CB Jumal Rolle, WR DeMarco Sampson, C Ryan Turnley, G Keith Williams

Carolina Panthers

QB Colby Cameron, OT Bruce Campbell, P Jordan Gay, CB Nick Hixson, K Morgan Lineberry, WR Dale Moss, DE Louis Nzegwu, WR Kealoha Pilares, LB Ryan Rau, S Ricardo Silva, OL Justin Wells, FB Michael Zordich

Chicago Bears

WR Devin Aromashodu, QB Matt Blanchard, RB Curtis Brinkley, DT Eric Foster, OT A.J.Lindeman, C P.J. Lonergan, S Derrick Martin, DE Kyle Moore, TE Gabe Miller, TE Leonard Pope, DT Brent Russell, LB Patrick Trahan, P Tress Way, LB Lawrence Wilson, S Tom Zbikowski

Cincinnati Bengals

WR Jheranie Boyd, CB Terrence Brown, LB Jordan Campbell, G Otis Hudson, LB Brandon Joiner, DT Vaughn Meatoga, TE Richard Quinn, K/P Quinn Sharp, OT Jason Weaver

Cleveland Browns

LB Kendrick Adams, OL Dominic Alford, WR Dominique Croom, DL Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, DB Vernon Kearney, DL Dave Kruger, FB Owen Marecic, OL Ryan Miller, WR Jordan Norwood, WR Cordell Roberson, LB Tommy Smith, TE Travis Tannahill, CB Trevin Wade

Dallas Cowboys

WR Anthony Amos, TE Colin Cochart, G Dennis Godfrey, WR Jared Green, LB Deon Lacey, K Brett Maher, DT Jeris Pendleton, WR Eric Rogers, QB Nick Stephens, CB Brandon Underwood

Denver Broncos

WR Kemonté Bateman, CB Mario Butler, T Manase Foketi, QB Ryan Katz, LB Uona Kaveinga, CB Nigel Malone, WR Quincy McDuffie, WR Greg Orton, TE Deangelo Peterson, C/G Quentin Saulsberry, DE Lanston Tanyi

Detroit Lions

WR Terrance Austin, DT John Drew, G Derek Hardman, S Chris Hope, DB Domonique Johnson, CB Myron Lewis, DE Ronnell Lewis, CB DeQuan Menzie, TE Cameron Morrah, K Havard Rugland, WR Chaz Schilens, TE Matt Veldman, CB Ross Weaver, WR Cody Wilson

Green Bay Packers

WR Alex Gillett, QB Graham Harrell, WR Omarius Hines, RB Angelo Pease, DT Gilbert Peña, K Zach Ramirez, K Giorgio Tavecchio, WR Justin Wilson

Houston Texans

FB Zach Boren, LB Elliot Coffey, G Bryan Collins, LB Ja'Gared Davis, RB Ray Graham, CB Travis Howard, DT David Hunter, QB Stephen McGee, DT Nick Mondek, DE Earl Okine, TE Adam Schiltz, P Andrew Shapiro, WR Mike Smith

Indianapolis Colts

CB Johnny Adams, CB Allen Chapman, G Danous Estenor, DT Kellen Heard, P/K Brandon McManus, RB Davin Meggett, WR Nathan Palmer, LB C.O. Prime, C Rick Schmeig, S Ashante Williams, CB Teddy Williams, WR Maurice Williams

Jacksonville Jaguars

G Mark Asper, LB Maalik Bomar, CB Marcus Burley, LS Jeremy Cain, RB De'Leon Eskridge, LB Jeremiah Green, DE J.D. Griggs, DE Paul Hazel, LS Luke Ingram, WR Jamal Miles, P Ken Parrish, S Ray Polk, CB Lionel Smith, TE Isaiah Stanback, OT Roderick Tomlin

Kansas City Chiefs

CB Vince Agnew, DE Miguel Chavis, WR Terrance Copper, OL Ryan Durand, OL Hutch Eckerson, DB Otha Foster III, OL A.J. Hawkins, DE Rob Lohr, Kamaal McIlwain, WR Jamar Newsome, RB Jordan Roberts, WR Tyler Shoemaker, QB Ricky Stanzi, DB Neiko Thorpe, FB Braden Wilson

Miami Dolphins

OL Jeff Braun, OL Chandler Burden, DT Chris Burnette, LB Michael Clay, WR Jeff Fuller, LB Alonzo Highsmith, LB David Hinds, FB Jorvorskie Lane, G Lance Louis, DE Emeka Onyenekwu, WR Julius Pruitt, WR Andrell Smith, WR Kenny Stafford, LB Nathan Williams

Minnesota Vikings

WR LaMark Brown, WR Erik Highsmith, G Tyler Holmes, DE Lawrence Jackson, DE Marquis Jackson, LB Stanford Keglar, CB Greg McCoy, RB Bradley Randle, WR Chris Summers, QB James Vandenberg, C Camden Wentz, RB Jerodis Williams, CB Roderick Williams

New England Patriots

WR Kamar Aiken, CB Ras-I Dowling, CB Brandon Jones, LB Niko Koutouvides, TE Evan Landi, CB LeQuan Lewis, LS Mike Zupancic

New Orleans Saints

LB Eric Martin, DB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, WR Tim Toone

New York Giants

TE Jamie Childers, TE Chase Clement, WR Brandon Collins, LB Aaron Curry, FB Ben Guidugli, OL Austin Holtz, OL Michael Jasper, DB Junior Mertile, LB Jake Muasau, DT Frank Okam, LB Etienn Sabino, DB Laron Scott, WR Terrence Sinkfield, DB Alonzo Tweedy

New York Jets

WR Joe Collins, K Billy Cundiff, WR Braylon Edwards, OL Patrick Ford, DB Donnie Fletcher, OL Trey Gilleo, DB Bret Lockett, RB Joe McKnight, OL Stephen Peterman, LB Sean Progar-Jackson, P Ryan Quigley, WR Marcus Rucker, LS Patrick Scales, TE Hayden Smith, RB Chad Spann, WR K.J. Stroud, WR Rahsaan Vaughn

Oakland Raiders

DE Brandon Bair, LB Keenan Clayton, WR Josh Cribbs, LB Eric Harper, FB Jon Hoese, WR Sam McGuffie, CB Cory Nelms, C Alex Parsons, G Andrew Robiskie, WR Tray Sessions, DT Myles Wade, CB Mitchell White, WR Isaiah Williams

Philadelphia Eagles

TE Derek Carrier, LB Jamar Chaney, LB Phillip Hunt, WR Nick Miller, DT Eddie McClam, S Kenny Phillips, OT Nic Purcell, DL/OL Isaac Remington, TE Will Shaw, DL Daryell Walker, CB Eddie Whitley, LS James Winchester, P Brad Wing

Pittsburgh Steelers

OT D'Anthony Batiste, RB Baron Batch, OL Justin Cheadle (injured), OT Mike Farrell, WR David Gilreath, WR Tyler Shaw, CB Ryan Steed, LB Stevenson Sylvester, TE Peter Tuitupou, CB DeMarcus Van Dyke, QB John Parker Wilson, WR J.D. Woods, RB Jeremy Wright

San Diego Chargers

RB Edwin Baker, C Colin Baxter, CB Greg Brown, S Tony Burnett, WR Deon Butler, WR Dan DePalma, OL Brandyn Dombrowski, QB Nathan Enderle, FB Chris Gronkowski, P Richard Kent, DL Jamarkus McFarland, TE Dallas Walker, WR Mike Willie

San Francisco 49ers

DL Lamar Divens, RB D.J. Harper, LB Joe Holland, G Al Netter, DL Lawrence Okoye, P Colton Schmidt, QB Scott Tolzien

Seattle Seahawks

WR Perez Ashford, CB Will Blackmon, WR Donavon Kemp, LB Kyle Knox, TE Jameson Konz, TE Andrei Lintz, TE/LS Kyle Nelson, DT Martin Parker, WR Brett Swain, LB Craig Wilkins

St. Louis Rams

K/P Brett Baer, WR Demetrius Fields, WR Andrew Helmick, LS Jorgen Hus, QB Tim Jenkins, DT Al Lapuaho, LB Joseph Lebeau, OL Graham Pocic, TE Colby Prince, WR Raymond Radway, CB Robert Steeples

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

WR Terriun Crump, LB Jacob Cutrera, WR Chris Denton,DB Anthony Gaitor, WR Derek Hagan, FB Spencer Larsen, TE Zach Miller, WR Carlton Mitchell, DE Aaron Morgan, S Troy Nolan, DE Ernest Owusu, TE Mike Shanahan, G Adam Smith, DB Branden Smith, RB Michael Smith, QB Adam Weber, DE Markus White

Tennessee Titans

LB Kadarron Anderson, C Eloy Atkinson, CB George Baker, K Maikon Bonani, WR Diondre Borel, TE DeMarco Cosby, WR Justin Hilton, LB Greg Jones, G Oscar Johnson, S Markelle Martin, T Barry Richardson, WR Roberto Wallace, TE Martel Webb, S Tracy Wilson

Washington Redskins

OL Jacolby Ashworth, CB Richard Crawford, LB Ricky Elmore, FB Eric Kettani, LB Jeremy Kimbrough, CB Ryan Mouton, LB Roddrick Muckelroy, K John Potter, WR Chip Reeves, WR Donte' Stallworth, LB Quan Sturdivant, OL Jeremy Trueblood

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Please, would some poster please find an RB we can take a look at and call Banner/Lombardi.

Beanie Wells is still available.

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is he an OLB? Why are we signing so many LBs?

We cut two LB's as well...

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Beanie Wells is still available.

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http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42077/309/2013-nfl-free-agents

Running Backs

Steven Jackson (Signed three-year, $12M deal with ATL)
Reggie Bush (Signed four-year, $16M deal with DET)
Rashard Mendenhall (Signed one-year, $2.5M deal with ARZ)
Ahmad Bradshaw (Signed one-year, $1.1M deal with IND)
Willis McGahee
Beanie Wells
Cedric Benson
Shonn Greene (Signed three-year, $10M deal with TEN)
Bernard Scott (Signed one-year, $1.016M deal with CIN)
Kevin Smith
Michael Turner
Felix Jones (Signed one-year, $780K deal with PHI)
Peyton Hillis (Signed one-year deal with TB)
Brandon Jacobs
Danny Woodhead (Signed two-year, $3.5M deal with SD)
Cedric Peerman (Signed two-year, $2.515M deal with CIN)
Rashad Jennings (Signed one-year, $630K deal with OAK)
La'Rod Stephens-Howling (Signed one-year, $780K deal with PIT)
Justin Forsett (Signed two-year, $2M deal with JAX)
Leon Washington (Signed one-year, $1.5M deal with NE)
Javon Ringer
Ronnie Brown (Signed one-year, $840K deal with SD)
Tim Hightower
Brian Leonard (Signed one-year, $715K deal with TB)
Mike Goodson (Signed three-year, $6.9M deal with NYJ)
Jalen Parmele (Signed one-year, $715K deal with TEN)
D.J. Ware
Chris Rainey
Jahvid Best
Ryan Grant
Steve Slaton
Thomas Jones
Joseph Addai
Mewelde Moore
Cadillac Williams
Jackie Battle (Signed one-year deal with TEN)
Kahlil Bell (Signed one-year deal with NYJ)
Tashard Choice (Signed one-year, $780K deal with BUF)
Brandon Jackson (Signed one-year, $715K deal with CLE)
William Powell
Jamie Harper
Ryan Torain (Signed one-year, $715K deal with NYG)
Stefan Logan
Jerome Harrison
Tyrell Sutton
Darius Reynaud (Signed one-year, $1M deal with TEN)
Darren Evans
Kregg Lumpkin

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is he an OLB? Why are we signing so many LBs?

We run a 3-4.

Let me rephrase my question, which LB spot do we seem to be targetting?

Not a cut, but apparently Aaron Curry has decided to retire.

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Eric Martin - OLB

Now THIS will make Django happy. He was banging the table hard for Martin pre-draft. The Saints board I post on sometimes was really pumped about this kid's performance in camp and preseason. I'm surprised he was cut with the lack of depth and injuries they have at the position. There were some articles about how he was doing very well there.

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Not a cut, but apparently Aaron Curry has decided to retire.

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At least he didn't wait until they'd gone all the way through camp or anything.

He had already been cut on Sunday...

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Cutting Owen = solid move lmao!

Good bye and GOOD RIDDANCE!

I don't understand all this hate for Marecic. No doubt he wasn't good, but he is a player at useless position.

I saw a great article on the Browns site about a new breed of FB. That is exactly what I want, a player who can make plays and not just some guy with a picnic ham sized head simply blocking.

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Cutting Owen = solid move lmao!

Good bye and GOOD RIDDANCE!

I don't understand all this hate for Marecic. No doubt he wasn't good, but he is a player at useless position .

I saw a great article on the Browns site about a new breed of FB. That is exactly what I want, a player who can make plays and not just some guy with a picnic ham sized head simply blocking.

why spend a 4th round pick on him then?

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Cutting Owen = solid move lmao!

Good bye and GOOD RIDDANCE!

I don't understand all this hate for Marecic. No doubt he wasn't good, but he is a player at useless position .

I saw a great article on the Browns site about a new breed of FB. That is exactly what I want, a player who can make plays and not just some guy with a picnic ham sized head simply blocking.

why spend a 4th round pick on him then?

I say the same thing. I would never draft a FB. I would line up two runningbacks or simply stick a reserve guard in there to clear a hole.

You are fairly new here, but I have been saying this for years.

With TEs converting towards being more like WRs it makes sense to change a FB to a RB. Maybe an Hback, but I like the dual RB option a lot more. Unless we are running an offense based around Jumbo packages I don't see the point in having a true FB.

I agree. It has never made sense to me to turn a weapon in to a fat headed blocker.

If that's what you want.....you and others know the drill.

"Useless" position or not - when you are put into the game, you have a job todo. Even Pat Shurmur ran plays with a fb. Every team has an I-formation package, a strong L or some type of formation with a fullback.

Sorry but if you can't block someone and your title is "fullback" - you're useless... throw in you can't catch, double useless... just my .02.

I see it this way. You have 5 OL players who don't score points unless it's some fluke.

Me...I would rather have a real weapon on the field teams had to defend over a half assed blocker/runner called a tradtional FB.

Jim Brown was a Fullback. Ernie Green was the halfback.

I want that.

Not arguing one way or another. I would too like to have a versitile FB. Marecic was not. Addition by subtraction in my mind.

I did find this...
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=nfcnorth&id=49996&src=desktop
"Peterson is averaging 7.2 yards per carry this season when he has a lead blocker and 3.3 yards per carry when he does not. He has gained 985 of his 1,286 yards out of the two-back set, including 13 of his 14 runs that have gone for 20-plus yards."

So maybe Vikings fans would disagree.
Who's the Vikings FB?

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I don't understand all this hate for Marecic. No doubt he wasn't good, but he is a player at useless position.

No position is useless, Peen.

A good FB is not as important as other positions, but the guy can open holes, pick up blitzes, and catch passes out of the backfield.

They are valuable and Marecic wasn't good at any of those things. It's nothing personal, but he simply wasn't a good player.

Ok...fair enough...I'd rather line up a fullback then play with 10 on O.

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Not arguing one way or another. I would too like to have a versitile FB. Marecic was not. Addition by subtraction in my mind.

I did find this...
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=nfcnorth&id=49996&src=desktop
"Peterson is averaging 7.2 yards per carry this season when he has a lead blocker and 3.3 yards per carry when he does not. He has gained 985 of his 1,286 yards out of the two-back set, including 13 of his 14 runs that have gone for 20-plus yards."

So maybe Vikings fans would disagree.
Who's the Vikings FB?

funny I was thinking Vickers. all the rbs behind him gained 1.3 ypc more when he was in.

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Ok...fair enough...I'd rather line up a fullback then play with 10 on O.

Not many agree with you about FB, but everyone thought that was hilarious...

I'm kind of bummed about Wade. He's tiny, but I thought he would stick (at least on this CB-needy team). I've also finally watched all the preseason games, and Wade seemed to be making quite a few plays.

Just from a # of bodies standpoint, I'm hoping the FO is looking to make a middle to heavy addition for this position.

j/c

I find it both funny and sad that Braylon was cut by the Jets...this guy seemed so promising after his 2007 season, and then everything went to his head and no one wanted anything to do with him.....Now he is looking at being out of the league, all because he is such a head case.....

Its nothing short of amazing. The guy has the talent, no question, but his horrible attitude has taken him right out of the game--and its sad that the guy can't fathom that....

I wasn't impressed with Wade at all this preseason. He was out there a lot, but that was about it. He did have a nice INT, but other than that he didn't seem to me to be very effective.

We still have our top 4 plus one of Haden, McFadden, Skrine, Owens, and Bademosi (who can be used in Nickel/Dime defenses) I liked as much of Auguste and Kanneh this preseason as I did of Wade. Given the fact that they are both inexperienced player, they get the nod as far as I'm concerned.

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Well with Mingo hurt and the starters not playing in the last preseason game we need some bodies for the position plus it gives the front office the chance to check out some guys for possible depth now or as injury replacements later in the year if they are still available.

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Well with Mingo hurt and the starters not playing in the last preseason game we need some bodies for the position plus it gives the front office the chance to check out some guys for possible depth now or as injury replacements later in the year if they are still available.

Plus, we really only have 1 solid backup at ILB in Fort. No one else has really jumped out at me. We get a chance to take a look at some other guys ... and not just for the roster, but for the practice squad, and/or potential injury replacements down the road.

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In a surprise move, the Patriots have cut cornerback Ras-I Dowling.

Adam Schefter of ESPN was the first to report that the Patriots made the move, and it was confirmed on the league’s transaction wire on Wednesday afternoon.

Heading into the 2011 NFL draft, the Patriots liked Dowling so much that they took him with the first pick in the second round (a pick they had previously acquired in a trade with the Panthers). And Dowling showed early promise, starting the first two games of the season.

But Dowling suffered a hip injury in Week Two of his rookie year and missed the rest of the season, and Dowling’s 2012 season was also cut short because of an injury, this time a torn muscle in his thigh. Through two seasons Dowling has played in only nine games.

Now Dowling is done in New England.

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He seems like a talented guy who just can't stay healthy. He might be worth taking a look at because of our lack of depth at the cornerback position.

There were a lot of posters who wanted us to draft him. He is a somewhat bigger CB .... so he might be worth a look. I admit that I do get nervous when Belichick let s a guy go though.

Obviously Lombardi thinks similarly to Belichick, so I doubt he's really an option at this point.

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The Browns were awarded rookie linebacker Eric Martin on waivers from New Orleans today and waived cornerback Trevin Wade.

I was really pulling for Trevin, he is a good kid. I for one will miss him in Cleveland, and hope somebody else picks him up (Maybe somebody close to home like Dallas or Houston)

Don't quite understand this move as we are very thin in the secondary and I thought Wade did an decent job. I will be rather upset if they end up releasing this guy next week.

I would have thought Kent Richardson, and Abdul Kenneh would have at least been cut first.

I've read a few places where they like Kenneh's tackling ability and physical play.

I also think Wade was one of our best character guys like you alluded to. He tweeted something about being injured, so I wonder if we could have put him on the IR instead of just cutting him? For his sake I hope he gets a shot somewhere.

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I would have thought Kent Richardson, and Abdul Kenneh would have at least been cut first.

I wonder if they consider letting a guy go earlier rather than later so he has a jump on picking up with another team. Kind of a back-hand favor.

Maybe that doesn't make any sense.

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Kind of a back-hand favor.... Maybe that doesn't make any sense.

I would hope that is the case. Gives the guy a break...

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is he an OLB? Why are we signing so many LBs?

Eric Martin - OLB

Now THIS will make Django happy. He was banging the table hard for Martin pre-draft. The Saints board I post on sometimes was really pumped about this kid's performance in camp and preseason. I'm surprised he was cut with the lack of depth and injuries they have at the position. There were some articles about how he was doing very well there.

Pretty much what clevesteve said. Was and am a big believer in "caveman"'s (his nickname) abilities, but it's strange and not a good sign that an OLB-desperate team like the Saints, who just switched D-systems, is already letting him go.
That said, who cares what they think and what they didn't see in him, Martin gets a quick look in Cleveland and if Mingo misses any time (or goes on PUP), he is in a good position to survive the last cuts, as he only has to battle Hazel for the last OLB spot. Of course, they could look to add another OLB after final cuts in that scenario too, but he'd be a nice stash for the PS.

As for RBs: There should be about 10-20 pretty decent RBs cut (as always on final cut day, position is crowded), that are much better than Maysonet or Cook as the no3 RB. I'd even say there will be as many RBs, who are better pure runners than BJax on cut day.

RBs on the bubble and names to look out for:

T.Cadet (NO)
whoever Cincy cuts: C.Peerman, R.Burkhead, D.Herron (probably 2 of them)
L.Ball (DEN)
A.Green or J.Starks (GB)
Kerwynn Williams (IND, 7th round rook)
C.Gray (KC)
Gillislee (MIA, 5th round rook)
R.Torain (NYG)
WAS cuts: will have to cut at least 2 of Royster, Keiland Williams, C.Thompson (5th rd rook) and J.Jamison (7th rd rook)

With most of those runners available I see little chance for the "lucky loser" winner of Maysonet or Cook to keep their roster spot for very long.

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I've read a few places where they like Kenneh's tackling ability and physical play.

I also think Wade was one of our best character guys like you alluded to. He tweeted something about being injured , so I wonder if we could have put him on the IR instead of just cutting him? For his sake I hope he gets a shot somewhere.

CLEVELAND (92.3 The Fan) – The Cleveland Browns reached an injury settlement with cornerback Trevin Wade Wednesday and were awarded rookie linebacker Eric Martin off waivers from New Orleans.

Wade, who sustained a sprained shoulder during training camp, was waived by the Browns to make room for Martin.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2013/08/28...in-from-saints/

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Cutting Owen = solid move lmao!

Good bye and GOOD RIDDANCE!

I don't understand all this hate for Marecic. No doubt he wasn't good, but he is a player at useless position .

I saw a great article on the Browns site about a new breed of FB. That is exactly what I want, a player who can make plays and not just some guy with a picnic ham sized head simply blocking.

why spend a 4th round pick on him then?

I think Peen's point, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, is why hate on Marecic? He didn't get to pick when or where he was drafted... so he plays a position of diminished importance and he's not all that good at it. He comes to play, he plays hard, he's just not that good (not unlike a lot of Browns draft picks since 1999)... I've never been able to hate on a guy who shows up and does his best. Doesn't mean I want to keep them on my team but some of these posters get downright personal, like Marecic stole their girlfriend or something... if you want to hate on anybody, do as you suggest, and hate on the people that used a 4th round pick on him.

Marecic was a bad pick, no way of defending it, but it's actually a backhanded compliment to Heckert's drafting when the biggest "bust" that comes to mind and is the preferred bashing boy on fan boards is a late 4th round pick FB that didn't make it in the NFL.

Please take a look at who was drafted around Marecic in that draft. Ozzie "the draft god" Newsome himself drafted WR T.Doss right before Marecic and just cut him some days ago. Ask some Ravens fans if they're crying over it. Most picks there are "Marecic's", as in bubble guys or already out of the league with the occasional "finds" like C.Allen, Skrine and Sherman, which shows more than anything that it was an extremely good CB class. In fact, Heckert made up for the Marecic selection with Skrine and Pinkston, who now are looking like two of the better picks of that round.

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I've read a few places where they like Kenneh's tackling ability and physical play.

I also think Wade was one of our best character guys like you alluded to. He tweeted something about being injured , so I wonder if we could have put him on the IR instead of just cutting him? For his sake I hope he gets a shot somewhere.

CLEVELAND (92.3 The Fan) – The Cleveland Browns reached an injury settlement with cornerback Trevin Wade Wednesday and were awarded rookie linebacker Eric Martin off waivers from New Orleans.

Wade, who sustained a sprained shoulder during training camp, was waived by the Browns to make room for Martin.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2013/08/28...in-from-saints/

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whoever Cincy cuts: C.Peerman, R.Burkhead, D.Herron (probably 2 of them)

Having seen "Boom" Herron a lot at OSU if Cincy cuts him, I want him! He never gives up, and will take it to the House when you least expect it. He did it the other day in Cincy's game.

But i dont expect them to cut him.

Well, if they keep Herron (who is the most likely to be cut imho), they will have to cut someone else. They have Bernard and BJGE as "locks" to make the roster. So one more or max 2. If they cut Burkhead, who they spent a 6th rounder on last draft after selecting Bernard already, which means they really like him, then I'd be happy to add him. Burkhead has a nice preseason going though, so I don't see them cutting him. Peerman has also always produced when given a chance. He ran 36 times last season for 258yds (7.2ypc !) and in 11 preseason carries has 43yds.

Whoever the Bengals and Redskins have to cut would be the first I'd look at probably

I have really liked Burkhead this entire preseason ... he runs very hard and is a willing blocker. I doubt they'd release him.

Is Ray Helu on the bubble for the skins? He's someone of interest as well. Denver, Green Bay, San Francisco, and New Orleans are also places to look with some depth at RB.

Helu was just named the RB2 for the Skins. He's a lock to stay.

Helu earned himself the top backup job for Morris in Washington, so if he remains healthy he's 100% a Redskin.

As for the Bengals, they can't keep 5 RBs, maybe they "stash" Burkhead as their no4 RB on the roster too, but they HAVE TO release one of Herron, Peerman or Burkhead. I believe Herron is a sure cut considering the depth/investment and production to date...now the only question is if they keep 3 or 4 RBs. Don't share the same enthusiasm about Herron and would prefer Peerman or Burkhead over him.

Who knows, maybe they shock the NFL by releasing (or trading) BJGE. He does make over 2mil and they'd take no cap hit. If they believe in Bernard and like their depth, they could go that way. They also have D.Scott on PUP waiting to be added mid season, so something has to give there sooner or later

Thanks logo I didn't know that.

I had been thinking about the Browns issue at RB so I decided to text one of my good friends who was drafted by the Titans this year ... he said their RBs are very deep. CJ/Greene are locks ... but they also have Reynaud, Parmalee, and Jacke Battle (familiar with Norv's system) ... I'd be interested in this team's cuts as well.

Almost forgot about asking you about him

You know I was a big fan of him pre-draft and thought he was a great fit for our outside CB hole. How's he doing? I read that he's struggling to earn playing time there. It's a tough situation for him as they are settled on the outside with McCourty and Verner and he really isn't and never was a slot/dime guy. He'd have a much better chance to play in Cleveland than in Tennessee. Still bummed that we passed on him in the 3rd round.

As for their RB depth: not a fan, but Reynaud would be worth a look as a KR. We still have no real KR on the roster, but he's also no good as a runner. The Dion Lewis injury really opened up two needs, although he also was only a below AVG KR, but still way better than what we have left.

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Marecic was a bad pick, no way of defending it,

I hope you don't think I was defending, all I was saying is don't hate Marecic over it. The guy played hard and tried his best.

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Please take a look at who was drafted around Marecic in that draft. Ozzie "the draft god" Newsome himself drafted WR T.Doss right before Marecic and just cut him some days ago. Ask some Ravens fans if they're crying over it.

When you are a bad team, every missed draft pick is magnified. On bad teams you see fans go ga-ga over a 7th round WR because he shows a flash in the preseason, you see them complain that a 5th round pick isn't an immediate contributor, you see them gripe that a 4th round pick is out of the NFL in 3 years... Good teams don't do that, they look at a 7th round WR and hope he turns into something but they aren't surprised when he doesn't and honestly, they don't care.

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Almost forgot about asking you about him

You know I was a big fan of him pre-draft and thought he was a great fit for our outside CB hole. How's he doing? I read that he's struggling to earn playing time there. It's a tough situation for him as they are settled on the outside with McCourty and Verner and he really isn't and never was a slot/dime guy. He'd have a much better chance to play in Cleveland than in Tennessee. Still bummed that we passed on him in the 3rd round.

As for their RB depth: not a fan, but Reynaud would be worth a look as a KR. We still have no real KR on the roster, but he's also no good as a runner. The Dion Lewis injury really opened up two needs, although he also was only a below AVG KR, but still way better than what we have left.

Yeah I have only spoken to him a few times because he's busy, but he's primarily going to have to play slot if he gets on the field this year ... and that is not a strength. He has made a few plays, but also has been beaten badly a few times (which is probably the norm). Based on what he's told me, their defensive system and approach does not suit him ideally (I would have loved him here as well). But I think he's confident that he'll at least be active for each week because he's done well in special teams.

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Marecic was a bad pick, no way of defending it,

I hope you don't think I was defending, all I was saying is don't hate Marecic over it. The guy played hard and tried his best.

Not at all, I was more adding to your response at others who kept bashing at him relentlessly.

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Please take a look at who was drafted around Marecic in that draft. Ozzie "the draft god" Newsome himself drafted WR T.Doss right before Marecic and just cut him some days ago. Ask some Ravens fans if they're crying over it.

When you are a bad team, every missed draft pick is magnified. On bad teams you see fans go ga-ga over a 7th round WR because he shows a flash in the preseason, you see them complain that a 5th round pick isn't an immediate contributor, you see them gripe that a 4th round pick is out of the NFL in 3 years... Good teams don't do that, they look at a 7th round WR and hope he turns into something but they aren't surprised when he doesn't and honestly, they don't care.

I understand that and it's just "natural" that frustrated fans of losing teams keep bringing up the duds when things go wrong, but it's really unbalanced around here. Heckert has added some nice depth and even starting pieces in the late rounds, mini-trades and even UDFA: Skrine, Pinkston, Winn, Cameron, Greco, Robertson, Benjamin, Gipson, Bademosi, Obi...we're looking at 3-4 decent starters/contributors and as many very useful young depth/ST-aces here. If you add all all the "props" those moves have received on here, you'd still come up short to the hate-posts on Marecic and that can't all be excused with losing, that's a problem the "fans" have, cal it battered-Brownsfan syndrom or whatever. The inability to evaluate player per player, move per move.

As I said, at least now the poor poster boy punching bag for a losing team now is a late 4th round FB. It's an upgrade and far cry from the days when those guys were Top 50 selections. My point I guess is that Marecic was not the difference between 5 wins or 8 and he won't make or break Heckert's resumee. TRich and Weeden will. Their development or lack thereof will close the book on Heckert one way or the other, not Marecic, who was a whiff he made up for 10 times with numerous other very good moves/picks/additions.

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Marecic was a bad pick, no way of defending it, but it's actually a backhanded compliment to Heckert's drafting when the biggest "bust" that comes to mind and is the preferred bashing boy on fan boards is a late 4th round pick FB that didn't make it in the NFL.

There is someone else who comes to mind if he doesn't perform well this season. . .

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Almost forgot about asking you about him

You know I was a big fan of him pre-draft and thought he was a great fit for our outside CB hole. How's he doing? I read that he's struggling to earn playing time there. It's a tough situation for him as they are settled on the outside with McCourty and Verner and he really isn't and never was a slot/dime guy. He'd have a much better chance to play in Cleveland than in Tennessee. Still bummed that we passed on him in the 3rd round.

As for their RB depth: not a fan, but Reynaud would be worth a look as a KR. We still have no real KR on the roster, but he's also no good as a runner. The Dion Lewis injury really opened up two needs, although he also was only a below AVG KR, but still way better than what we have left.

Yeah I have only spoken to him a few times because he's busy, but he's primarily going to have to play slot if he gets on the field this year ... and that is not a strength. He has made a few plays, but also has been beaten badly a few times (which is probably the norm). Based on what he's told me, their defensive system and approach does not suit him ideally (I would have loved him here as well). But I thine he's confident that he'll at least be active for each week because he's done well in special teams.

Thanks for sharing this information. He's a physical CB who has played a lot of zone at UConn and in Tennessee they're switching to a press-man scheme similar to what Horton will utilize mostly. So the struggle and discomfort would be the same here, but based on his willingness to tackle and overall physicality he should be able to adapt to it just fine in time and that's why the Titans selected him. I guess what he hates is to play catch up after pressing, as he's not the fastest CB around and you'll get burned from time to time, but just tell him to own the WR at the LOS, so he doesnt have to turn his hips too often

He needs to model his game to the likes of Sherman and Browner, similar prospects: big, physical CBs, who can tackle and play the ball in the air.

Will be interesting to follow both his and McFadden's career from here on out. I hope both end up being good starting CBs

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Almost forgot about asking you about him

You know I was a big fan of him pre-draft and thought he was a great fit for our outside CB hole. How's he doing? I read that he's struggling to earn playing time there. It's a tough situation for him as they are settled on the outside with McCourty and Verner and he really isn't and never was a slot/dime guy. He'd have a much better chance to play in Cleveland than in Tennessee. Still bummed that we passed on him in the 3rd round.

As for their RB depth: not a fan, but Reynaud would be worth a look as a KR. We still have no real KR on the roster, but he's also no good as a runner. The Dion Lewis injury really opened up two needs, although he also was only a below AVG KR, but still way better than what we have left.

Yeah I have only spoken to him a few times because he's busy, but he's primarily going to have to play slot if he gets on the field this year ... and that is not a strength. He has made a few plays, but also has been beaten badly a few times (which is probably the norm). Based on what he's told me, their defensive system and approach does not suit him ideally (I would have loved him here as well). But I think he's confident that he'll at least be active for each week because he's done well in special teams.

Thanks for sharing this information. He's a physical CB who has played a lot of zone at UConn and in Tennessee they're switching to a press-man scheme similar to what Horton will utilize mostly. So the struggle and discomfort would be the same here, but based on his willingness to tackle and overall physicality he should be able to adapt to it just fine in time and that's why the Titans selected him. I guess what he hates is to play catch up after pressing, as he's not the fastest CB around and you'll get burned from time to time, but just tell him to own the WR at the LOS, so he doesnt have to turn his hips too often He needs to model his game to the likes of Sherman and Browner, similar prospects: big, physical CBs, who can tackle and play the ball in the air.

Will be interesting to follow both his and McFadden's career from here on out. I hope both end up being good starting CBs

That's an nice comparison to Sherman ... hopefully his career turns out that way. And btw, just as an interesting tidbit ... Blidi told me a while ago that McFadden was one of his favorite guys at the combine ... he said he's just a great dude.

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Thanks for the heads up, totally forgot that. At this point all signs seem to indicate that he just goes on the injury report for the first games and will be active once he's cleared. That or he goes to this comeback-IR list if his "condition" doesn't get better by week 1

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That's good to hear about McFadden. From all I've read and heard he has a good work ethic and is a team player and is very competitive, always a plus. We will see if his talents are up to the task as he is not exactly a size/speed CB

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Marecic was a bad pick, no way of defending it, but it's actually a backhanded compliment to Heckert's drafting when the biggest "bust" that comes to mind and is the preferred bashing boy on fan boards is a late 4th round pick FB that didn't make it in the NFL.

There is someone else who comes to mind if he doesn't perform well this season. . .

Add Josh Gordon to that list.

funny thing, I"m not worried about Josh Gordon performing.. He's got the skills. I'm more worried about him staying out of trouble.

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funny thing, I"m not worried about Josh Gordon performing.. He's got the skills. I'm more worried about him staying out of trouble.

Which is what I believe has been the biggest question on him from day 1. I really haven't seen many, if any question his talent and the potential which goes along with that talent.

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I've read a few places where they like Kenneh's tackling ability and physical play.

I also think Wade was one of our best character guys like you alluded to. He tweeted something about being injured , so I wonder if we could have put him on the IR instead of just cutting him? For his sake I hope he gets a shot somewhere.

CLEVELAND (92.3 The Fan) – The Cleveland Browns reached an injury settlement with cornerback Trevin Wade Wednesday and were awarded rookie linebacker Eric Martin off waivers from New Orleans.

Wade, who sustained a sprained shoulder during training camp, was waived by the Browns to make room for Martin.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2013/08/28...in-from-saints/

I hope Wade got a nice settlement (HE deserves it) and I hope he gets another shot in the NFL as he really deserves that as well.

I was considerably less impressed with Wade than you evidently were.

a lot of guys can put in the effort in practice and the preseason. wade didnt catch my eye much. i doubt he could have been a difference maker in the regular season.

The chances of a 7th rounder sticking aren't that much better than any UDFA. Especially when we are bringing in 5 each season at the same position to compete. I suppose it is important to not get very attached to them. I don't think many of us are bemoaning the loss of Justin Hamilton these days.

Probably more people are upset about our UDFA David Simms than Eric Hagg, Don Carey, Clifton Geathers etc. etc.

I have often wondered what sort of money is involved with a injury settlement? I wonder if they are all different or if there is some formula used league wide?

We had a friend of the family who was drafted by the Falcons in the 7th round about a decade ago ... he tore his ACL in camp and they decided to just go with an injury settlement ... there was a back and forth between the agent/team until they settled on a number (IIRC it was near $150,000) and he got to keep his signing bonus obviously. He was basically paid a third of his base salary for the year and then was able to sign with any other team if possible

With Shayne Graham and his back tightening up on him...

I really hope that we look into late cuts to find a worthwhile kicker. What's Jeff Wolfert doing these days? He was always great in the preseason. Or Kickalicious.

David Nelson needs cut immediately.

What are the odds that Graham's back tightened up on him ........ in 90 degree weather? lol Even Bernie was making jokes about that. It just doesn't happen very often.

Chud wanted to see what would happen if Lanning was forced into double duty, and if he could kick in game conditions. That's all that was.

I read that the Bengals are shopping Dontay Moch and if they can't trade him he will be cut. I remember quite a few people liking him in the draft a couple of years ago.

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There will be players placed on injured reserve, left on PUP lists and perhaps even a trade or two as teams set their initial rosters for the 2013 season. According to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, the Bengals would like to make linebacker Dontay Moch one of those players.

Moch, a third-round pick in 2011, has not made much of an impact for the Bengals in his two years with the team. He fractured his foot during his rookie season and missed the entire year and then kicked off his second season with a four-game suspension for violating the performance enhancing drug policy. He played a handful of snaps in one game and then spent the rest of the year on the non-football injury list because of migraine headaches.

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David Nelson needs cut immediately.

While watching the game last night I said that...then he'd make a nice play and I'd reverse that...then it happened a couple more times.

It got to be funny after awhile.

In the end tho, I had to remind myself that the guy hadn't played in a year and just started practicing last week after being out that year. I'd like him to make the team - along with Gurley - at least for the first two games.

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While watching the game last night I said that...then he'd make a nice play and I'd reverse that...then it happened a couple more times.

It got to be funny after awhile.

In the end tho, I had to remind myself that the guy hadn't played in a year and just started practicing last week after being out that year. I'd like him to make the team - along with Gurley - at least for the first two games.

Exactly right. He's a big target that is RUSTY.. he may still end up getting cut, but I doubt it.

J'Marcus Webb cut.

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Quarterback Jordan Palmer isn’t the only player getting a jump on letting the world know that he won’t be on the Bears’ 53-man roster.

When tackle J’Marcus Webb took a pay cut earlier this month, the assumption was that trimming his salary would allow him to keep his job with the Bears for the 2013 season even though rookie Jordan Mills was going to be the starting right tackle.

It appears that assumption was incorrect. Webb took to Twitter on Friday morning to announce that his time with the Bears has come to an end.

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If we are looking to pick up an OT, I'll pass on Webb. I wonder if the Eagles will keep Tom Compton...hmmmm.

I thought Palmer was competing with Edwards last night for the #2 spot. He clearly outplayed Edwards - who has always been complete garbage. Interesting, he got cut.

The fourth preseason game means nothing in determining roster spots.

I know it means little to nothing, but is Edwards the back up or did they both get cut?

Just curious.

Josh McCown is the backup. They were competing for the 3rd spot I believe. Edwards hasn't been cut yet.

Ah, thanks. Sorry for turning this into a Bears thread.

I'd rather have cfrs at QB than Edwards. Surprised he wasn't cut in favor of Palmer ... who coincidentally is just as ugly as his brother.

Back to Browns talk.

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I'd rather have cfrs at QB than Edwards.

I will take this as a compliment. I can definitely take a sack quite well, which is a necessary skill for being a Bears QB.

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"That's what she said."

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Well, if they keep Herron (who is the most likely to be cut imho), they will have to cut someone else. They have Bernard and BJGE as "locks" to make the roster. So one more or max 2. If they cut Burkhead, who they spent a 6th rounder on last draft after selecting Bernard already, which means they really like him, then I'd be happy to add him. Burkhead has a nice preseason going though, so I don't see them cutting him. Peerman has also always produced when given a chance. He ran 36 times last season for 258yds (7.2ypc !) and in 11 preseason carries has 43yds.

Whoever the Bengals and Redskins have to cut would be the first I'd look at probably

i agree, burkhead is good too.

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"Yeah you can."

I think I had your username on the mind since I had recently responded to a post of yours.

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David Nelson needs cut immediately.

I fell asleep early last night and din't get to see much of the game. Was he that bad?

IMO, yes. Watch it for yourself though.

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IMO, yes. Watch it for yourself though.

No, I'll trust you and save myself the pain of watching a horrendous performance in the 4th pre-season game. I'd probably just fall asleep again.

Veteran guy with 3 days of practice. I wouldn't read too much into it.

The thing that worries me most is that he appeared to come up hobbled at one point. He came back into the game though.

If he doesn't make the team, then who does? Little, Benjamin, Cooper, (Gordon on suspended list) and Bess ...... and then a bunch of never weres?

Edwards didn't impress at all. I really didn't see much out of Gurley. I do think that the most likely scenario is for us to look for a veteran guy in the final cuts.

I do expect that we could look for a RB, WR, OL, and maybe OLB, in the final cuts. Cole might make the team at LB .... I dunno. He looked OK in preseason.

I wonder who has an extra RB and/or WR, and who also has a need at DL? Maybe a trade?

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If he doesn't make the team, then who does? Little, Benjamin, Cooper, (Gordon on suspended list) and Bess ...... and then a bunch of never weres?

Go back through the games and watch #9, Gruley or whatever his name is. He is one inch smaller than Nelson, and weighs like 20lbs more than him. Big target, healthy it seems, and has caught everything thrown his way that I can recall since watching him in preseason. Get opens too.

Like I said, Nelson doubtfully isn't going to get his football feet under him with a week of camp. Chances are he is hurting/sore after this game and won't even practice this week anyway. I'd say at this point, relying on Nelson for the season opener with Gordon being absent is AN EXTREMELY HAIRY SITUATION, to likely next to near "just not going to happen"

The first catch I saw by Gurley I thought he was Jason Campbell.

A guy who is that hefty and sorta slow shouldn't wear QB numbers

Fun fact: We are Gurley's seventh nfl team.

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The first catch I saw by Gurley I thought he was Jason Campbell.

A guy who is that hefty and sorta slow shouldn't wear QB numbers

Fun fact: We are Gurley's seventh nfl team.

He has a 4.56 second 40 yard time. He appears slow for the same reason Gordon does, has long strides due to being tall. If he was that slow, even McFadden could probably cover him then

*Edit* and for giggles, Nelson (before injury/surgery) only had a 4.54 second 40 time and like I said, big weight difference with minimal speed difference. Which would ya rather have if health wasn't a concern?

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Which would ya rather have if health wasn't a concern?

probably the guy on his 2nd NFL team with 94 NFL receptions rather than the guy on his 7th NFL team with 0 NFL receptions that is only 1 year younger.

but, health is a concern.

Gurley hasn't shown much from what I can tell. I really haven't heard much good from any of the bottom of the roster type guys at WR.

I have heard that Cooper has made some plays in practices, and has shown up a little in the preseason.

The rest of the guys at the bottom of the receiver depth chart? Nothing. Edwards? Bleh. What's he done in pracrice or preseason? Roosevelt? Is he still on the roster? Gurley? Bleh. Nelson? Been hurt until 3 days ago. At least he has a track record, but it's still a question as to whether or not he'll be able to come all the way back. Maybe we keep only 5 WR (plus Gordon on the suspended list) nand an extra TE. Who knows? It depends on who the team feels can better help the team.

brickwall Sign Kerry Rhodes the defensive backfield?????????????

If you are saying we should sign Rhodes I would think Horton knows him well enough to determine if he is worth signing.

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If you are saying we should sign Rhodes I would think Horton knows him well enough to determine if he is worth signing.

agreed. and apparently the rest of the NFL agrees with him.

(and I was a pro-Rhodes guy in FA)

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agreed. and apparently the rest of the NFL agrees with him.

(and I was a pro-Rhodes guy in FA)

Ditto, to an extent. I figured that if Horton wanted Rhodes badly enough, the front office would have made it happen. Evidently he likes the young guys on the roster better,

As an aside .... Seneca Wallace ended his comeback attempt prior to the 4th preseason game ....... (one in which he probably would have received playing time) He should have stuck it out for that game, because if he was cut I believe that part of his salary would have been guaranteed anyway under the new CBA. Now he gets nothing.

QB Seneca Wallace ends comeback attempt with 49ers - San Jose Mercury News
http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_23977727/qb-seneca-wallace-absent-from-49ers-warm-ups

SAN DIEGO -- One of the 49ers' last roster questions got answered even before kickoff of their exhibition finale against the Chargers.

Seneca Wallace told the 49ers on Thursday morning he's decided to halt his comeback attempt, according to general manager Trent Baalke.

Signed only a week ago, Wallace's departure turned the No. 3 quarterback race into a one-man competition for rookie B.J. Daniels, if the 49ers indeed go with a three-man unit.

The 49ers have kept three quarterbacks in each of Jim Harbaugh's two seasons as coach. They must trim their roster from 75 to 53 by 1 p.m. Saturday, and they were weighing how to term Wallace's transaction, as a retirement or a terminated contract.

More pertinent to the 49ers' quarterback cause, starter Colin Kaepernick emerged healthy after playing sparingly all exhibition season.

Kaepernick made a one-series cameo Thursday -- as was the case in the first two exhibitions -- and exited after Quinton Patton's 43-yard, catch-and-run touchdown for a 7-0 lead.

Kaepernick wasn't sacked in any of his six exhibition series, and he finished 15 of 24 for 171 yards, with two touchdown passes, no interceptions and a 116.4 passer rating.

Settling on Kaepernick's backups looked like a convoluted situation a week ago, when Wallace's addition gave the 49ers a five-man quarterback crew.

Wallace, who did not play last season, took the final three snaps of Sunday's exhibition and completed his only two passes for 27 yards.

Cut last week by the New Orleans Saints, Wallace joined the 49ers as a veteran option. But Colt McCoy restructured his contract Saturday night and subsequently was named the No. 2 quarterback by Harbaugh after Sunday's rout of Minnesota.

McCoy replaced Kaepernick after one series Thursday night, and after showing off his mobility on a few scrambles, McCoy threw his first touchdown in a 49ers uniform, a 5-yard pass to Anthony Dixon.

Daniels, a seventh-round draft pick, is in line to succeed Scott Tolzien as the No. 3 quarterback behind Kaepernick and McCoy. Tolzien was released Monday after two seasons in that No. 3 role.

Pats axe ten people, Tim Tebow not one of them:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/30/patriots-announce-10-cuts-tim-tebow-not-among-them/

From above link.

The cuts the Patriots announced were tight end Jake Ballard, defensive end Marcus Benard, tight end Daniel Fells, receiver Johnathan Haggerty, linebacker Mike Rivera, offensive lineman Luke Patterson, fullback Ben Bartholomew, defensive lineman Gilbert Peña, offensive lineman Matt Stankiewitch and defensive lineman Scott Vallone.

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I feel bad for Marcus Benard. If he could have stuck at either OLB or DE for a couple years, I think he could have developed into a good backup. (That and stayed off the motorcycle.)

Why is it when the Pats cut a guy, I am leary? A good team cuts some guys...surely they have some good players that get cut? Right? No.

But when the 49ers make their cuts, I wonder who we might snag.

Belichick is a snake.

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The cuts the Patriots announced were tight end Jake Ballard, defensive end Marcus Benard, tight end Daniel Fells, receiver Johnathan Haggerty, linebacker Mike Rivera, offensive lineman Luke Patterson, fullback Ben Bartholomew, defensive lineman Gilbert Peña, offensive lineman Matt Stankiewitch and defensive lineman Scott Vallone.

They cut Ballard? Who are they going to use at TE with Gronk out and Hernandez incarcerated? Tebow?

Browns | Dan Gronkowski released
Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:00:47 -0700
The Cleveland Browns have released TE Dan Gronkowski.

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I find it both funny and sad that Braylon was cut by the Jets...this guy seemed so promising after his 2007 season, and then everything went to his head and no one wanted anything to do with him.....Now he is looking at being out of the league, all because he is such a head case.....

Its nothing short of amazing. The guy has the talent, no question, but his horrible attitude has taken him right out of the game--and its sad that the guy can't fathom that....

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/10/in_seeking_the_spotlight_brayl.html

I wish we had the rest of the story below from the teams he was with after his stint with the Browns. What a read that would be.

Plain Dealer
Braylon Edwards developed a reputation for challenging his teammates on the sidelines when things weren't going well. In this 2006 loss to Cincinnati, Edwards eventually was pulled away from quarterback Charlie Frye after arguing over not getting the ball on a fourth-down pass.
BEREA, Ohio -- It didn't take Eric Mangini long to figure out what some of those before him already knew: Braylon Edwards was more trouble than he was worth.

It began on draft day in 2005, when Edwards was visibly upset that the Miami Dolphins picked Ronnie Brown at No. 2 overall instead of him. Edwards admitted he wanted to go to Miami, and lashed out at the Dolphins and then-coach Nick Saban for lying to him and using him.

It was doomed from the start.

Whether it was a circus catch or a somersault during pre-game introductions for a Monday night game against the New York Giants, Braylon Edwards liked the attention of being an NFL star. But according to some teammates, he didn't have as much interest in putting in the effort between games.
During the 2005 season, Edwards displayed his uncanny knack for saying something controversial and then blaming it on the media. That year, he said he thought a switch from Trent Dilfer to Charlie Frye would give the offense more life and energy. When he took heat from teammates, he said he was taken out of context.

But it was 2006 that was really the banner year for Edwards. That year he:

• Disobeyed head coach Romeo Crennel, renting a helicopter to attend the Ohio State-Michigan game in Columbus and arriving late for a team meeting. Crennel fined him.

• Criticized offensive coordinator Jeff Davidson's playcalling, saying he wasn't aggressive enough in the red zone.

• Called out teammate safety Brian Russell, saying Russell's hit that knocked Cincinnati's Chad Johnson out of the game "bull----." Crennel, in turn, blasted Edwards for criticizing his own teammate. "It was a legal hit," Crennel said. "You don't air family laundry."

• Went berserk on the sidelines of the Bengals game, grabbing Charlie Frye's jersey and screaming at teammates. Later, he accused teammates of quitting and "flat-out not playing."

• Was benched by Crennel for most of first half of a 22-7 loss to Tampa Bay after missing a team meeting Friday morning. Then he dropped two passes. Afterwards, Derek Anderson said, "We just all need to grow up and make plays."

Folks lambasted Crennel for not cracking down harder on Edwards, but several sources said General Manager Phil Savage, who drafted Edwards, prevented Crennel from doing so.

Other sources said that when Edwards wasn't missing team meetings, he was falling asleep in some of them -- especially on Friday mornings after being out late on Thursday nights. Again, Edwards was viewed as untouchable.

After the 2006 season, veterans such as Joe Jurevicius tried to set him straight, and it worked for a while. In 2007, he had his Pro Bowl season, catching 80 passes for 1,289 yards with 16 touchdowns.

Unfortunately for Edwards and the Browns, it went to his head. In August of 2008, he was pulled over after driving 120 mph in Avon at 2 a.m. with his passenger vomiting. Edwards only got a ticket after WOIO revealed the incident, and he blamed it on the station.

Then, he ran around practice that summer with his shoes off and had his foot gashed by Donte Stallworth, missing the entire preseason. When he returned, he dropped three passes in the opener -- the start of his 2008 dropfest. Two days later, he said of LeBron James, "LeBron isn't a Cleveland guy. LeBron only plays for the Cavaliers, and who knows if he even likes the Cavaliers?"

It was the first sign that he had issues with the King.

Edwards' season went downhill from there, ending with an NFL-high total of between 16 and 24 drops -- depending on who's counting. He was also near the top of the league in intercepted passes intended for him. Along the way, he told ESPN's Jim Rome how much he hated being here as a rookie and how he felt "unappreciated" and "a marked man" because he was from Michigan. He also frequently bashed offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski in front of teammates, sources said.

During the Texans game on Nov. 23, he approached safety Will Demps between plays about how to get into modeling and acting, according to Demps in ESPN The Magazine.

When the season was over, Edwards was out partying with Donte Stallworth -- spending $3,443 on champagne, vodka and other drinks at a posh Miami bar -- on the night Stallworth drove drunk and killed Mario Reyes.

Edwards was reportedly one of the players fined recently for not paying his hotel incidentals and is believed to have filed a grievance against the Browns. During the Bengals game, when he was held without a catch, he was overheard barking about not getting the ball. Later that night, when he was at The View, he reportedly complained to WKNR personality Sabrina Parr about his coaches and quarterbacks, saying he has no room for improvement.

Afterward, he allegedly punched James' friend, Edward Givens, and also punched his ticket out of town.

Jake Ballard may be an upgrade over Kellen Davis ... actually, I know he is.

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The cuts the Patriots announced were tight end Jake Ballard, defensive end Marcus Benard, tight end Daniel Fells, receiver Johnathan Haggerty, linebacker Mike Rivera, offensive lineman Luke Patterson, fullback Ben Bartholomew, defensive lineman Gilbert Peña, offensive lineman Matt Stankiewitch and defensive lineman Scott Vallone.

They cut Ballard? Who are they going to use at TE with Gronk out and Hernandez incarcerated? Tebow?

They'll probably pick up Gronks brother because we just cut him.. see Cals post under yours

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Desmond Trufant

What? That can't be right...

Do you mean Marcus Trufant of the Jags/Seahawks?

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MoMass & Robiskie now have been cut by the Jags. And yet, Veikune continues to prove to be a worse pick than either because the Jags wouldn't even sign him!

Is he playing anywhere?

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Desmond Trufant

What? That can't be right...

WOW sorry ... Marcus Trufant ... sorry for the mistake guys. There's a little difference between the two

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Desmond Trufant

What? That can't be right...

WOW sorry ... Marcus Trufant ... sorry for the mistake guys. There's a little difference between the two

A little difference indeed.

Am I a horrible Browns fan if I don't know who Kent Richardson is?

haha not by my standards

I've read that the Patriots are going to put Gronkowski back on the active roster. So that indicates that they believe he will be back before week six. Also, there have been tons of positive reports about some undrafted rookie named Sudfeld. They also have Hoomanawanui, who is more of a blocking tight end.

Who knows? Maybe the will bust Tebow out at tight end.

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I'm hoping Cards cut Ryan Williams so we can bring him in.

There were talks of them trying to trade him. He just can't stay healthy. If they cut him I would be willing to look. I don't know about a trade because you would be paying him 1st round money to be a backup.

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"We're going to keep the best 53 players, even if we have to overload one position. I'm not going to keep a bad player at one position and cut a good player."

Well, there you have it. Ryan Williams will be an Arizona Cardinal when the regular season opens up on Sept. 8.

"I'm so happy for him," said Arians. "He busted his tail six hours a day in the weight room for four months. He was so frustrated in camp, but I was so happy to see him get out and play football and play it well."

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The cuts the Patriots announced were tight end Jake Ballard, defensive end Marcus Benard, tight end Daniel Fells, receiver Johnathan Haggerty, linebacker Mike Rivera, offensive lineman Luke Patterson, fullback Ben Bartholomew, defensive lineman Gilbert Peña, offensive lineman Matt Stankiewitch and defensive lineman Scott Vallone.

They cut Ballard? Who are they going to use at TE with Gronk out and Hernandez incarcerated? Tebow?

Zach Sudfeld will be the other TE. Been making some noise so far this preseason. I even snagged him in my fantasy football league as a sleeper pick.

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The cuts the Patriots announced were tight end Jake Ballard, defensive end Marcus Benard, tight end Daniel Fells, receiver Johnathan Haggerty, linebacker Mike Rivera, offensive lineman Luke Patterson, fullback Ben Bartholomew, defensive lineman Gilbert Peña, offensive lineman Matt Stankiewitch and defensive lineman Scott Vallone.

They cut Ballard? Who are they going to use at TE with Gronk out and Hernandez incarcerated? Tebow?

They'll probably pick up Gronks brother because we just cut him.. see Cals post under yours

Patriots already cut Dan Gronkowski once back in '11. Seems doubtful they'd bring him back.

I actually thought Ballard would be decent in the NFL. Guess I was wrong about that one.

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Browns' final roster may lean heavily on waivers

BEREA —

The Browns head into final cut day with maybe the most complex array of options since Bill Belichick was their head coach.

Head coach Rob Chudzinski was succinct when asked how many spots are open:

“A lot.”

Michael Lombardi, who worked with Belichick in the 1990s, is back as general manager. He has been collaborating with Chudzinski and CEO Joe Banner on the final-cut game plan.

This much is clear: Unproven Browns who “make the team” on the cut to 53 — the reporting deadline is 6 p.m. Saturday — should be nervous.

Banner and Chudzinski are saying emphatically what Lombardi, who seldom comes up for air in public, is not. That is, Cleveland will play the waiver wire hard.

The Browns are in good position to do so. Any of the 32 teams can claim any player who is waived, but the pecking order is based on 2013 draft position, and the Browns are high on that.

By our count, as many as 10 spots were up for grabs as the brass went over coaches’ cuts of the Chicago game.

A look at choices being kicked around at certain positions:

• Wide receiver

Who gets the fifth-receiver spot behind roster cinches Josh Gordon, Greg Little, Davone Bess and Travis Benjamin?

David Nelson looked rusty at Chicago and could be a candidate for the physically-unable-to-perform (PUP) list that shelves players for six weeks. Josh Cooper split 2012 between the practice squad and regular roster. Tori Gurley demonstrated at Chicago why he keeps getting invited to NFL camps.

• Tight end

Kellen Davis, who played 16 games for the Bears last year, seems set as the third tight end behind Jordan Cameron and Gary Barnidge. The question is whether 28-year-old Dan Gronkowski, whose late touchdown catch helped beat the Bears, stays as a fourth tight end.

• Running back

With Dion Lewis and Montario Hardesty on injured reserve, it’s hard to imagine Lombardi not arguing for the best back available via waivers.

Brandon Jackson’s candidacy to be the man easing Trent Richardson’s workload took a hit this month. In games against the Lions, Colts and Bears, he received a team-high 17 carries. Twice, he ran for five yards. On the other 15 carries combined, he netted one yard. That’s not an average of a yard per carry. It’s one yard.

• Inside linebacker

What’s up behind starters D’Qwell Jackson and Craig Robertson?

Our calculations do not assume a roster spot for any of four men behind them who might make the roster: Tank Carder (Round 5 pick by the Bills in 2012), L.J. Fort (appeared in all 16 games as a 2012 undrafted rookie), James-Michael Johnson (eight starts as a rookie Round 4 draft pick) and Justin Staples (undrafted rookie who quickly won the respect of linebacker coaches).

• Secondary

Often, the last spot or two is claimed by a player who can plug in as needed at safety or cornerback and also excels on special teams.

After Joe Haden and T.J. Ward (71 combined NFL starts), the entire collection of corners and safeties behind them boasts a grand total of 15 NFL starts, 12 by Chris Owens, three by Gipson.

Rookie Round 3 pick Leon McFadden will get a roster spot. Johnson Bademosi, who appeared in 16 games as a 2012 undrafted rookie, probably will.

That leaves rookie Round 6 pick Jamoris Slaughter and undrafted rookie Josh Aubrey hoping there is room, after a waiver claim the brass is almost certain to exercise in this area, for them.

Waiver claim ... the words of the hour on “final cut day” in Cleveland.

Players coming in may have zero experience with Cleveland. So many Browns’ roster candidates have almost no experience in the league.

Read more: http://www.cantonrep.com/browns/x1837079...s#ixzz2dTtIcWxf

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Brandon Jackson’s candidacy to be the man easing Trent Richardson’s workload took a hit this month. In games against the Lions, Colts and Bears, he received a team-high 17 carries. Twice, he ran for five yards. On the other 15 carries combined, he netted one yard. That’s not an average of a yard per carry. It’s one yard.

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Two days later, he said of LeBron James, "LeBron isn't a Cleveland guy. LeBron only plays for the Cavaliers, and who knows if he even likes the Cavaliers?"

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David Nelson looked rusty at Chicago and could be a candidate for the physically-unable-to-perform (PUP) list that shelves players for six weeks.

I really wish that writers would learn the NFL rules.

Nelson practiced, and played in a preseason game. Thus he is no longer eligible to go on the PUP list.

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I actually thought Ballard would be decent in the NFL. Guess I was wrong about that one.

He played well for the Giants, but he hasn't played a real game since his injury.

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I actually thought Ballard would be decent in the NFL. Guess I was wrong about that one.

He played well for the Giants, but he hasn't played a real game since his injury.

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It's not like it's their job or anything. . .

The other thread was getting long...

Already some players cut that could upgrade the Browns depth, but many more and even better options will be made available during the day:

Guys I'd consider:

G Rachal (ARI...46 career starts at G, 8 last season, 27yo)
DL D.Carter (ARI...played and spot started for Horton as UDFA)
S Amaya (ARI)
RB D.Carter (BAL)
CB M.Anthony (BAL)
RB L.Ball (DEN)
RB A.Allen (CHI)
RB D.Johnson (HOU)
CB R.Carmichael (HOU)
CB M.Trufant (JAX)
OT McQuistan (JAX)
DE J.Kruger (PHI)
CB Lindley (PHI)
OLB M.Benard (NE)
ILB M.Rivera (NE)
K D.Carpenter (NYJ)
ILB G.Guyton (TEN)
G/C Caldwell (BUF)

That's already some nice talent and/or stop gap vets let go, so I expect even better talent to be available soon, especially at RB, but Ball and A.Allen already would represent upgrades to Cook, who started camp as 5th/6th option. They may be even better runners than BJax. Cincy and Washington cuts is the way to look though at RB. Trufant might be a Sheldon Brown-like stop gap no2 CB. Skrine is no outside CB, McFadden struggled in preseason and Owens was demoted to dime-CB in ATL last year. Trufant has sure lost two steps, but still has the smarts.

I don't really like that list. I do think we'll bring some guys in, but hopefully not from that list. Never liked Trufant at all. Not sure what others saw in him.

Lindley was overshadowed by the big names philly brought in but I thought he was a solid kid for them.

RB there will be a few good ones hitting the streets today. I would probably just cut Jackson and Cook and use OB as my #2, go out and find another FB.

Not really worried about guard right now.

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Possible, but we know they like Sanford, and we could use another veteran in the db's. As long as he passes his physical.

Pretty sure Benard won't be back, but I liked him while he was with us. I will need to see where we are at deadline because I expect a busy day. Do players from waivers or deals outside have a different deadline or timeframe or is it all done this afternoon for roster and PS?

Info on the next few days, per league rules.

August 31
Prior to 6:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must reduce rosters to a maximum of 53 players on the Active/Inactive List.

August 31
Simultaneously with the cut-down to 53, clubs that have players in the categories of Active/Physically Unable to Perform or Active/Non-Football Injury or Illness must select one of the following options: place player on Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform or Reserve/Non- Football Injury or Illness, whichever is applicable; request waivers; terminate contract; trade contract; or continue to count the player on the Active List.

September 1 Claiming period for players placed on waivers at the final roster reduction will expire at 12:00

September 1 Beginning at 12:00 p.m., New York time, clubs may establish a Practice Squad of eight players by signing free agents who do not have an Accrued Season of free agency credit or who were on the 46-player Active List for less than nine regular season games during each of any Accrued Seasons. A player cannot serve on the Practice Squad for more than three seasons.

September 1 Final day of preseason training camp for all clubs, as defined in CBA Article 23, Section 9.

September 3
After 4:00 p.m., New York time, a club is permitted to place a player on Reserve/Injured as "Designated for Return."

September 4 At 4:00 p.m., New York time, deadline for all NFL Player Contracts, Practice Player Contracts, tender offers, and miscellaneous amounts to fit within each Club’s 2013 Salary Cap, in anticipation of the midnight expiration of the Top 51 Rule.

September 5 At 12:00 a.m., New York time, the Top 51 Rule expires for all NFL Clubs.

September 5, 8-9 Regular Season opens.

All you people that lashed out at me for saying Nelson was likely to get cut due to his poor showing and thus forth, well appears I wasn't the only one thinking he sucked. Browns axed him:

David Nelson, axed:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/31/browns-cut-david-nelson/

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All you people that mocked me, told me I was wrong and etc about David Nelson, well appears I wasn't the only one who thought he sucked and is more trouble than worth.

Browns cut him:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/31/browns-cut-david-nelson/

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All you people that mocked me, told me I was wrong and etc about David Nelson, well appears I wasn't the only one who thought he sucked and is more trouble than worth.

Browns cut him:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/31/browns-cut-david-nelson/

How many times are you going to post this,, what do you want, a freakin pat on the back? Geez

And I don't know anyone that mocked you.. I do know that some disagreed with you because he just came back to camp and should have been and was, rusty.

Winfield is on the NFL.com official cut list.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000233304/article/roster-cuts-for-all-32-nfl-teams

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All you people that lashed out at me for saying Nelson was likely to get cut due to his poor showing and thus forth, well appears I wasn't the only one thinking he sucked. Browns axed him:

David Nelson, axed:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/31/browns-cut-david-nelson/

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All you people that mocked me, told me I was wrong and etc about David Nelson, well appears I wasn't the only one who thought he sucked and is more trouble than worth.

Browns cut him:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/31/browns-cut-david-nelson/

Aren't you special. I don't remember anybody lashing out.

I was one who liked Nelson, but it looks like the Browns may be opting for Gurley....is that the name?

Browns also released Justin Staples this morning ... and Washington surprisingly released Chase Minnifield

Yep, Tori Gurley...

... and yes, I am special

Packers axe Vince Young. Who wants to bet me five bucks the Jets don't sign him immediately?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/31/packers-cut-vince-young/

Should at least bring Minnifield in and take a look at him. His name should get him a tryout or something.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/31/packers-cut-vince-young/

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... and yes, I am special

Hark! I hear a band playing...looks like we are throwing you your own parade. (J/k, dawg...)

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Well that is interesting.....

The Chargers cut former Steelers OT Max Starks.

I am curious as to which RBs might come free from the Seahawks or Redskins. Those 2 teams seemed to run really well this preseason.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/31/packers-cut-vince-young/

That's kind of shocking. Didn't the Pack just cut their other backup who Young was competing with for the backup job?

Yep...they cut Harrell the other day. Looks like the Pack is going with B.J. Coleman as their #2 guy.

BJ is a product of Chattanooga and the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. Way to go BJ!

Let the poo storm begin. . .

Tebow cut.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/31/packers-cut-vince-young/

That's kind of shocking. Didn't the Pack just cut their other backup who Young was competing with for the backup job?

It's also kind of shocking since Vince played pretty decent in the preseason. Green Bay must have something in mind I guess for their #2. Worlds will fall if Rodgers get injured.

Oh God I have been waiting to say this...

Patriots axe Tim Tebow!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/31/patriots-cut-tebow-keep-gronkowski-on-53/

Again, who wants to bet me five bucks the Jets won't pick him, and Vince Young up?

No more Tebow Time hahaha

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Tebow cut.

I will always remember him by the first play of OT throw that knocked the Steelers out of the playoffs.

Thank you Tim Tebow

Why does everyone get gleeful when the guy gets cut?

He does what anyone asks him to do as a player, and it's not his fault that ESPN shoves him down everyone's throats.

He's probably not cut out for this league. He could definitely find a role on the bottom of a roster somewhere and contribute, but at this point the circus he brings might make a team pause. Not his fault, really.

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Tebow cut.

everyone that didn't see this coming, raise your hands....

That surprises me. I would've thought that we would look past it, but I guess with only a one year contract that we signed him to, we couldn't afford to wait for him to heal up.

That could mean good things for Tori Gurley maybe

David Nelson...what a waste of a roster spot! The Browns should've signed Brandon Lloyd=a real veteran WR who can still play.

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Why does everyone get gleeful when the guy gets cut?

Because the sooner he is out of the league for good, the sooner we can stop hearing about him. SportsCenter just did 5 minutes on him getting cut, and just promised "continuing analysis of the developing story" going to a commercial break. For a third-string QB with a career completion percentage of 47%.

His fault? Nope. But nobody will miss his (lack of) QB ability, so it's time to stop hearing about him as a football player.

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The Browns should've signed Brandon Lloyd=a real veteran WR who can still play.

You might think so, but 32 NFL teams don't think so.

That was very insightful...

Lloyd has been a FA for almost 6 months. Three different teams have gotten rid of him in the last two years. He isn't injured, what other conclusion should I draw besides the teams in the NFL don't seem to think he can play?

214Dawg,

So they signed a guy (David Nelson) coming off a potential career ending injury?! That made a whole lot of sense! Brandon Llyod is a veteran WR who knows how to get open. Last year he caught 74 passes for 911 and 4 TDs. He could teach our young WRs a few tricks of the trade. Nope he can't help this team?!

I always liked lloyd as well but maybe there is behind the scene issues we don't know about that has made teams shy away from him.

Good God!

Brandon Lloyd is poison in a locker room.

His attitude stinks. The Pats cut him after a fairly productive year, and not one team tried to sign him. What does that tell you?

Further, he's 32 years old. I would rather develop guys who will be here long term than bring in a guy who could poison the atmosphere in the locker room, and who will be retired in a year or 2.

Yeah, I was surprised that the Patriots didn't resign him. But everywhere Lloyd goes he produces. His issues can't be any worse than our current WRs. What separates Llyod is that he can get open consistently.

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000233304/article/roster-cuts-for-all-32-nfl-teams

Per this list Browns also released OLB Staples and Cole

Pats released OLB Cunningham and Redskins RB Keiland Williams.....2 noteworthy names

j/c

Falcons released RB Ronnie Wingo. Let's dazzle the broadcast crews: Mingo, Wingo...

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Why does everyone get gleeful when the guy gets cut?

I don't understand that as well. Outside of the excessive media attention, what's not to like (understanding that his QB skills are at the low end)...

Baller97, we want to fix that problem, not add to it.

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Falcons released RB Ronnie Wingo. Let's dazzle the broadcast crews: Mingo, Wingo...

Sing it to Ted Nugent's Wango Tango beat

1488...true but can't have a bunch of choir boys either. Lol

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The Browns should've signed Brandon Lloyd=a real veteran WR who can still play.

You might think so, but 32 NFL teams don't think so.

That was very insightful...

I don't know if that was insightful or not, but from what I can tell, he's still on the market right? I just checked and as of yesterday, he was. The Pats released him in March and he's not been picked up by anyone so, in truth, 32 teams don't agree with you. that doesn't make them right. But, it is saying something isn't it?

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Why does everyone get gleeful when the guy gets cut?

I don't understand that as well. Outside of the excessive media attention, what's not to like (understanding that his QB skills are at the low end)...

Doesn't seem right to me either. The kid does anything he's asked to do and he gets beat on for it. dumb

Can he play Guard?

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Can he play Guard?

Probably not, But he's gotta be able to play FB or HB or TE.. at least you'd think so. he's tough as nails and a hell of an athlete. Might be too short for TE right?

j/c

NFL Cut Day: 49ers to sign Owen Marecic

http://www.thescore.com/home/articles/1305969-nfl-cut-day-49ers-to-sign-owen-marecic

If Owen Marecic gets a Super Bowl ring I give up.

Harbaugh is his old coach from Stanford and absolutely loved him as a two way player while he was there. It makes sense that they would be the one to sign him and give him a shot.

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But everywhere Lloyd goes he produces.

Lloyd's stats 2003-2009 (four different teams) 2,370 yards (that's 29.3 yards per game). Is that included in the "everywhere"?'

Lloyd has been great the last couple years, but he is getting older (he is 32) and it says a lot about a guy when a team with a need like the Patriots let's him walk after a semi-productive season.

Who cares if he wins a Super Bowl ring? Lot's of crappy players win Super Bowl rings.

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Who cares if he wins a Super Bowl ring? Lot's of crappy players win Super Bowl rings.

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why? he is a nice kid. more power to him I think.

Why the hell got the other thread closed refs?

Thanks for typing for nothing

Is that Antoine Winfield? Browns should take a look, if he is at all healthy. I really like this guy, even if he's 30+++.
Arrgh, no matter. I'm stoked to see who IS on the Browns first cut to 53, as probably at least 45 of them will stick around.
Where can I go to find out who the Browns have kept on the 53?

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Is that Antoine Winfield? Browns should take a look, if he is at all healthy. I really like this guy, even if he's 30+++.
Arrgh, no matter. I'm stoked to see who IS on the Browns first cut to 53, as probably at least 45 of them will stick around.
Where can I go to find out who the Browns have kept on the 53?

I'm not sure they have announcd all the cuts yet. They have until 6pm to turn the cuts into the NFL, the announcement will come sometime after that. Not sure how long after that.

I think this is the official NFL Cut Tracker..

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000233304/article/roster-cuts-for-all-32-nfl-teams

I guess it has to say something when the Jets sign Massaqouai while Brandon Lloyd is still available.

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I guess it has to say something when the Jets sign Massaqouai while Brandon Lloyd is still available.

Ha, I didn't know that. Good for MoMass.. I liked the kid. Didn't get into trouble. Just not right for us.

Browns websight has an article, Browns cut 7

Braxton Cave, center
Mike Edwards, Wr
D Gronkowski, TE
Abdul Kanneh, DB
Miguel Maysonet, RB, (I thought he might stay)
Kent Richardson, Db
Colton Schmidt P,

says roster is at 68 and must be at 53 by 6 pm.

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Browns websight has an article, Browns cut 7

Braxton Cave, center
Mike Edwards, Wr
D Gronkowski, TE
Abdul Kanneh, DB
Miguel Maysonet, RB, (I thought he might stay)
Kent Richardson, Db
Colton Schmidt P,

says roster is at 68 and must be at 53 by 6 pm.

If you look at the Cut Tracker I gave you a link to, those guys are all there as well.

j/c

The Eagles are expected to release OG Danny Watkins, a 2011 1st round pick. This could be an interesting pickup...

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Been several articles stating that teammates and friends, etc, didn't feel like Watkins ever really liked playing football, his heart wasn't into it. So no thanks, pass.

CSN Philly's Rueben Frank suspects ex-Eagles first-round pick Danny Watkins' playing days are over.
Based on getting to know Watkins in the locker room, Frank believes the 23rd overall pick in the 2011 draft's "heart was (n)ever in football," and Frank thinks Watkins "doesn't like playing the game." This is probably the best explanation for why a player so highly regarded fell flat on his face in the NFL. We're still interested to see if Watkins gets claimed on waivers.

linker

With KC having some numbers at RB...if they let go of RB Cyrus Gray from Texas A&M...he was talented coming out of college and looked great against the packers a couple nights ago like 10 rushes 80 yards...I do like his speed and cut step (doesn't seem to gear down)

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...the 23rd overall pick in the 2011 draft's "heart was (n)ever in football,"

For the past year or so, I've heard that as well. It would need to be investigated but I'm sure Banner has some special insight into the situation...

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With KC having some numbers at RB...if they let go of RB Cyrus Gray from Texas A&M...he was talented coming out of college and looked great against the packers a couple nights ago like 10 rushes 80 yards...I do like his speed and cut step (doesn't seem to gear down)

Beenie Wells is still out there as a running back. I think he could be a good back to spell Richardson as his back up. I am very surprised no team has picked him up. Is he hurt?

Big Phil punked Watkins so bad that he never recovered his confidence.

Beanie Wells is broken.

I think I've read people speculating about Beanie Wells for 3 straight months. I may be wrong, but if you sign a vet before week 1 their entire salary is guaranteed ... but if you sign them after week 1 it isn't. That may explain why some of them are not being signed. But either way, the NFL is getting younger across the board ... no longer are owners/gms/coaches freely signing anyone that isn't young.

Thanks. That helps!

I'm thinking he (Tebow) has the skill set for longsnapper (with practice). Shame he didn't win more games; he had the Victory Formation kneeldown cold. Shurmur School of Offense Avoidance.

j/c...Never gave you a hard time LB...just that you made it sound like the two were cut Nelson n McFadden. Its was a little miss leading.

Yeah I've read a lot about Gurley looking very good even in a SI article about the Browns.

Not sure about OL but I think we should/might/could pick up a Scat Back n ILB from waivers.

Our punter Lansing??? locked up his position I think from his versatile kicking duties as well. We did cut the kid after our game.

Sorry about Nelson but he just couldn't get back fast enough. Hope the kid Gurley sticks...but we will see what happens after Gordon comes back.

I don't think we are desperate for any "STARTERS" which means we will pick up young players with potential n not season veterans who could start.

JMHO

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With KC having some numbers at RB...if they let go of RB Cyrus Gray from Texas A&M...he was talented coming out of college and looked great against the packers a couple nights ago like 10 rushes 80 yards...I do like his speed and cut step (doesn't seem to gear down)

If released, I would agree that Gray would be a nice pickup. Guys already released that I would consider:

CJ Davis G/T waived by the Broncos - Got some playing time with them last year
DJ Williams TE waived by the Packers - Can't run block to save his life but a very good pass catching TE
Steven Miller Rb waived by the Lions - Explosive kick returner and scat back.

Was CJ Davis the guard center combo who played at Pitt in college...I remember him being highly touted and an expected 3rd round pick...he fell late or went undrafted...never heard of him since

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He looked damn good in the preseason

Only adding to my point that the preseason is meaningless.

Slaughter's gone, but I expect we'll stash him on the practice squad.

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He looked damn good in the preseason

Only adding to my point that the preseason is meaningless.

Yes, and no.

He showed good burst and explosion to the hole. That's a good trait in preseason, or not.

He did go to Pitt but I don't know if that is the same guy. I would imagine so.

Right now we have no Kicker. lol

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000233304/article/roster-cuts-for-all-32-nfl-teams

Cleveland Browns
Cuts to 53: OL Aaron Adams, DB Akeem Auguste, K Brandon Bogotay, OL Braxston Cave, LB Justin Cole, RB Jamaine Cook, DL Hall Davis, WR Mike Edwards, TE Dan Gronkowski, WR Tori Gurley, LB James-Michael Johnson, DB Abdul Kanneh, RB Miguel Maysonet, WR David Nelson, DB Kent Richardson, WR Naaman Roosevelt, DL Brian Sanford, P/K Colton Schmidt, S Jamoris Slaughter, LB Justin Staple

According to Mary Kay Cabot we also terminated the contract of Shayne Grame as well.

Carpenter is still out there.

Maybe we'll use Lanning as a dual threat kicker?

lol

Obviously not done, but roster looks like this:

QB (3) Weeden, Campbell, Hoyer
RB (2( Richardson, B.Jackson
FB (2) Ogbonnay, Smelley
TE (3) Cameron, K.Davis, Barnidge
WR (4) Little, Bess, Cooper, Benjamine (Gordon suspended so not counted on 53)
OL (12) Thomas, Greco, Mack, Cousins, Schwartz, Lauvao, Pinkston, Shaw, Gilkey, Hauptman, Butler, Wallace

LS (1) Yount
P (1) Lanning
K (ZERO) obviously a move will be made here, unless Lanning will do both kicking and punting

DL (7) Rubin, Taylor, D.Bryant, Winn, Hughes, Kitchen, A.Bryant
LB(10) D'Qwell, Kruger, Robertson, Mingo, Sheard, Fort, Groves, Carder, Hazel, Martin
CB (4) Haden, Owens, Skrine, McFadden
S (4) Ward, Gipson, Bademosi, Aubrey

Thanks for the summary!

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K (ZERO) obviously a move will be made here, unless Lanning will do both kicking and punting

Chud said in his press conference that we will sign a kicker in the next few days.

Knew, or figured that, just forgot the gremlin or purple.

Yeah, I figured that. Just wanted to point it out because others suggested Lanning could do both.

Only four corners could be dicey. Seems like we will probably pick up another one.

Agree on the corners. I think we will add a WR, at least until Gordon's suspension is over.

Looking it over we will probably add at least some of the following...

RB, WR, CB, K. With the OL being the main cut area, and possibly Hazel and/or Martin from the LB's.

I think it's Tuesday when you can designate a player as 'IR to return', I still think that will be either Lauvao or Pinkston, unless they go on season ending IR.

I think I have this right so far

CURRENT ROSTER

Quarterbacks
17 Campbell, Jason QB 6-5 230 31 9 Auburn
6 Hoyer, Brian QB 6-2 215 27 5 Michigan State
3 Weeden, Brandon QB 6-3 220 29 2 Oklahoma State

Running Backs
27 Jackson, Brandon RB 5-10 216 27 6 Nebraska
25 Ogbonnaya, Chris RB 6-0 225 27 4 Texas
33 Richardson, Trent RB 5-9 230 23 2 Alabama

Tight Ends
82 Barnidge, Gary TE 6-5 250 27 6 Louisville
84 Cameron, Jordan TE 6-5 245 25 3 USC
81 Davis, Kellen TE 6-7 265 27 6 Michigan State
47 Smelley, Brad TE 6-2 235 24 1 Alabama

Wide Receivers
80 Benjamin, Travis WR 5-10 175 23 2 Miami (Fla.)
15 Bess, Davone WR 5-10 190 27 6 Hawaii
88 Cooper, Josh WR 5-10 190 24 2 Oklahoma State
12 Gordon, Josh WR 6-3 225 22 2 Baylor
18 Little, Greg WR 6-2 220 24 3 North Carolina

Offensive Lineman
79 Butler, Rashad OL 6-4 310 30 8 Miami (Fla.)
75 Cousins, Oniel OL 6-4 315 29 6 Texas-El Paso
65 Gilkey, Garrett OL 6-6 320 23 R Chadron State
77 Greco, John OL 6-4 315 28 6 Toledo
61 Hauptmann, Caylin OL 6-3 300 22 R Florida International
66 Lauvao, Shawn OL 6-3 315 25 4 Arizona State
55 Mack, Alex OL 6-4 311 27 5 California
62 Pinkston, Jason OL 6-4 305 25 3 Pittsburgh
72 Schwartz, Mitchell OL 6-5 320 24 2 California
74 Shaw, Jarrod OL 6-3 316 25 2 Tennessee
73 Thomas, Joe OL 6-6 312 28 7 Wisconsin
64 Wallace, Martin OL 6-6 305 23 R Temple

Defensive Lineman
95 Bryant, Armonty DL 6-4 265 23 R East Central (OK) University
67 Kitchen, Ishmaa'ily DL 6-1 330 25 2 Kent State
71 Rubin, Ahtyba DL 6-2 330 27 6 Iowa State
98 Taylor, Phil DL 6-3 335 25 3 Baylor
90 Winn, Billy DL 6-4 295 24 2 Boise State
92 Bryant, Desmond DT 6-6 310 27 5 Harvard
93 Hughes, John DT 6-2 320 25 2 Cincinnati

Linebackers
59 Carder, Tank LB 6-2 235 24 2 Texas Christian
58 Fort, L.J. LB 6-0 230 23 2 Northern Iowa
54 Groves, Quentin LB 6-3 265 29 6 Auburn
Hazel, Paul LB 6-5 227 23 R Western Michigan
52 Jackson, D'Qwell LB 6-0 240 29 8 Maryland
99 Kruger, Paul LB 6-4 270 27 5 Utah
51 Mingo, Barkevious LB 6-4 240 22 R LSU
53 Robertson, Craig LB 6-1 234 25 2 North Texas
97 Sheard, Jabaal LB 6-2 255 24 3 Pittsburgh

Defensive Backs
37 Aubrey, Josh DB 5-10 200 22 R Stephen F. Austin
24 Bademosi, Johnson DB 6-0 200 23 2 Stanford
39 Gipson, Tashaun DB 5-11 205 23 2 Wyoming
23 Haden, Joe DB 5-11 190 24 4 Florida
29 McFadden, Leon DB 5-9 195 22 R San Diego State
21 Owens, Chris DB 5-9 180 26 5 San Jose State
22 Skrine, Buster DB 5-9 185 24 3 Tennessee-Chattanooga
43 Ward, T. J. DB 5-10 200 26 4 Oregon

Special Teams
57 Yount, Christian LS 6-1 256 25 3 UCLA
5 Lanning, Spencer P 5-11 200 25 1 South Carolina

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Add Martin, LB, and Gordon doesn't count as one of the 53.

My short, less info, list.

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K (ZERO) obviously a move will be made here, unless Lanning will do both kicking and punting

Chud said in his press conference that we will sign a kicker in the next few days.

The Bills released Ryan Lindell; is he still available?

No, he won the Bucs job.

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Add Martin, LB, and Gordon doesn't count as one of the 53.

My short, less info, list.
Obviously not done, but roster looks like this:

QB (3) Weeden, Campbell, Hoyer
RB (2( Richardson, B.Jackson
FB (2) Ogbonnay, Smelley
TE (3) Cameron, K.Davis, Barnidge
WR (4) Little, Bess, Cooper, Benjamine (Gordon suspended so not counted on 53)
OL (12) Thomas, Greco, Mack, Cousins, Schwartz, Lauvao, Pinkston, Shaw, Gilkey, Hauptman, Butler, Wallace

LS (1) Yount
P (1) Lanning
K (ZERO) obviously a move will be made here, unless Lanning will do both kicking and punting

DL (7) Rubin, Taylor, D.Bryant, Winn, Hughes, Kitchen, A.Bryant
LB(10) D'Qwell, Kruger, Robertson, Mingo, Sheard, Fort, Groves, Carder, Hazel, Martin
CB (4) Haden, Owens, Skrine, McFadden
S (4) Ward, Gipson, Bademosi, Aubrey

This should be the 1st post on a new thread

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Carpenter is still out there.

I was just about to post that Carpenter signed with the Jets, but I checked and saw he was cut. Jets decided to stay with Nick Folk. Carpenter should be our target, imo.

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No, he won the Bucs job.

Dang....thanks, man.

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Add Martin, LB, and Gordon doesn't count as one of the 53.

My short, less info, list.
Obviously not done, but roster looks like this:

QB (3) Weeden, Campbell, Hoyer
RB (2( Richardson, B.Jackson
FB (2) Ogbonnay, Smelley
TE (3) Cameron, K.Davis, Barnidge
WR (4) Little, Bess, Cooper, Benjamine (Gordon suspended so not counted on 53)
OL (12) Thomas, Greco, Mack, Cousins, Schwartz, Lauvao, Pinkston, Shaw, Gilkey, Hauptman, Butler, Wallace

LS (1) Yount
P (1) Lanning
K (ZERO) obviously a move will be made here, unless Lanning will do both kicking and punting

DL (7) Rubin, Taylor, D.Bryant, Winn, Hughes, Kitchen, A.Bryant
LB(10) D'Qwell, Kruger, Robertson, Mingo, Sheard, Fort, Groves, Carder, Hazel, Martin
CB (4) Haden, Owens, Skrine, McFadden
S (4) Ward, Gipson, Bademosi, Aubrey

This should be the 1st post on a new thread

Good idea, this thread is 11 pages, so I started a new thread (if it sticks).

This looks updated.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/roster.html

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... and Washington surprisingly released Chase Minnifield

No surprise there.

He tore his ACL.

He did this preseason?

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He did this preseason?

OTA's, I believe.

I saw him playing in their preseason game?

Reading the Redskins board there were quite a few people who were angry that he was cut. And the tweets by their beat writers found it surprising too ... but maybe he stinks I wouldn't know.

Just looked at his Wiki...the ACL was last year. My bad.

Apparently there's a blurb there that they want him on their practice squad, which shouldn't be a problem.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/01/browns-dump-kellen-davis/

Browns dump Kellen Davis

Posted by Mike Florio on September 1, 2013, 11:21 AM EDT

AP
Yes, tight end Kellen Davis made it onto the Browns’ initial 53-man roster. Less than 18 hours later, he’s gone.

Per a league source, Davis has been cut by the Browns.

Davis, dumped earlier this year by the Bears, appeared in 16 games for each of the last five years, starting 15 in 2012 and 15 in 2011.

He appeared in all four preseason games for the Browns, starting in Week Three and Week Four.

A vested veteran, Davis instantly becomes a free agent. He was due to earn a base salary of $715,000, the minimum for a sixth-year player.

I am not glad Kellen Davis got cut, but I am not said to see him go. Bears fans regarded him as the worst football player of all time. That is not something I wanted to experience.

Pretty thin at TE now, given Camerion has the talent but hte health concerns to back it up...

Cameron, Barnidge, and Smelley. That's the normal number of tight ends I believe. I, like you and every other Browns fan, am skeptical about Cameron's ability to stay healthy. People were surprised the Packers cut a tight end, D.J. Williams, maybe he is an option.

I actually thought that Davis did a nice job at TE this preseason. His hands were better than advertised.

For his hands to be better than advertised all he needed to do was catch one pass (if you listen to the Bears fans).

This offseason already looks like an abortion with regards to week one: Mingo and Bryant injured, McFadden overmatched and won't see the field much, same for Gilkey. Slaughter and Davis cut. Kruger is all that's left, otherwise it's the same players the new regime inherited for week one. Pretty disappointing to say the least.
I especially consider it a big, fat FAIL job going with Skrine as the designated starter at CB, especially since every fan that watched the team last season saw that problem/hole at CB coming. Makes me want to push my "confidence" in those guys way down. Incredibly careless imho.

Anyway, another RB, CB and K are mandatory at this point and probably another TE or WR too. Maybe they use Smelley as 3rd TE/backup FB, but with Gordon suspended, 4 WR and 2 TE is too thin, so at least one more player at those positions will be added.

The talent among the last cuts wasn't as good as I'd hoped, but here are more names added to those I already mentioned in here that could be worth it:

WR Harper (SEA, 4th round rook, similar to Sanu as a player)
WR Bumphis (MIA)
CB T.Hawthorne (PIT, 5th round rook)
WR T.King (DEN, 5th round rook)
WR C.Roby (NO, strictly a KR/emergency WR)
CB C.Carr (NO, stop gap vet, not the best though)
TE C.Harbor (PHI, I bet he's the guy Banner's looking at to replace Kellen Davis)

Numerous teams kept (and protected) 4 RBs, the Saints and Cards even kept 5. So maybe a trade is needed to add a competent RB to the mix. Alex Smith made the Bengals roster as 3rd TE/backup FB. My fav draft 2nd day TE Gragg made the Bills roster as a 7th rounder and has a good shot at playing time there.
Lots of good RBs were availble at the top of the 6th round when we drafted a player who was off on most teams boards and predictably wasn't healthy enough to make it, guys like Stepfan Taylor or Andre Ellington would look good now on the roster. Slaughter was our 3rd draft pick and one os the highest picked players let go in the entire NFL this weekend. If you look at the higher picks let go, it was by PO contending teams with already good depths on their roster. For a team that didn't do much in FA and wasn't a contender that's pretty disappointing again.

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Cameron, Barnidge, and Smelley. That's the normal number of tight ends I believe. I, like you and every other Browns fan, am skeptical about Cameron's ability to stay healthy. People were surprised the Packers cut a tight end, D.J. Williams, maybe he is an option.

I haven't heard anything on Smelley's injury, anyone else?

Clay Harbor always seemed to have some athleticism. And I believe he's a pretty good special teams player. But I think Smelley is really the third tight end and will not see much time at fullback.

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It's hard to knock them for injuries, especially a extremely rare one like a bruised lung.

Your other points are valid and I understand your gripe.

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I haven't heard anything on Smelley's injury, anyone else?

During the Chicago game they mentioned that he had an issue with his shoulder and would not return, but no more details than that.

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This offseason already looks like an abortion with regards to week one: Mingo and Bryant injured

It's hard to knock them for injuries, especially a extremely rare one like a bruised lung.

Your other points are valid and I understand your gripe.

Well, there were numerous concerns with Mingo's stature/health risk and we're talking about a top 10 pick here, so lots of money and value invested. The fact that he didn't even get hit and suffered as sever an injury makes it even worse for me.

Nobody accepted excuses for last year's team with regards to injuries and suspensions that crippled our start to the season, which was 0-5. We were a 5-6 team once key players like Rubin and Haden returned.

Also, if the previous regime gets (absoltely rightfully) criticized for TRich and Hardesty with regards to health, then it's only fair to point to obvious risks/duds like Mingo and Slaughter, who had health risks attached to them.
Yeah, I include Slaughter too, because for a team and roster like the Browns, whiffing this badly on a high 6th rounder, after passing to use your 4th and 5th rounder, thus making him the 3rd highest addition of your draft, is pretty disappointing, especially considering we could have drafted one of the top kickers of the draft (Hopkins) or one of numerous RBs (S.Taylor, A.Ellington, Burkhead, Barner) or a TE (Rivera or Gragg) or another CB like Poyer, all players that would have looked good on our roster right now.

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The fact that he didn't even get hit and suffered as sever an injury makes it even worse for me.

I must have missed this. What do you mean he didn't even get hit?

Can I take a walk right now and get a bruised lung? It's a serious question.

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I must have missed this. What do you mean he didn't even get hit?

Can I take a walk right now and get a bruised lung? It's a serious question.

I don't see how he could get that injury and not have gotten hit?

Do I post or wait for Part II??? lol

Anyways. Obviously when we get Lava n Pinkston back we will lose a couple of OLmen on the roster. And actually gain two roster spots to fill.

Kicker no way we will utilize our punter as the kicker...oh n Holder as well!

We must of had a couple of guys spotted with teams that had good to great veterans on it. Thought maybe Bogatay would stick but that late groin injury I guess sealed his fate.

Dawson however still bodes as a rare faux pas by our new guys. Of course if that is our worst mistake we are doing pretty good.

Off to the waiver wire to upgrade on any of the bottom third of our Roster. 15-18 players

JMHO man just one more week till football

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The fact that he didn't even get hit and suffered as sever an injury makes it even worse for me.

I must have missed this. What do you mean he didn't even get hit?

Can I take a walk right now and get a bruised lung? It's a serious question.

Well, reportedly he didn't get a hit to the chest or anything like that. They call it a "condition" and I really hope there isn't a more serious concern underneath it, but if there isn't and he sustained this playing football, then it concerns me even more that he can catch as bad an injury without even getting a NFL-level hit.
Anyone who has seen him play at LSU knows that he wasn't the most physical player, although he wasn't playing soft at all, to the contrary, he was an all out hustle player with a good motor that was fun to watch, but he really struggled to finish tackles/sacks at the college level because of his slender build and this "problem" will only get magnified in the NFL (I already have nightmares seeing him bounce off of Roethlisberger). His body was only one of many question marks with regards to his projection.

Anyway, Banner said right after the draft that they valued Mingo over the deal they had on the table from the Rams. Right after that comment, I put this "equation" in "names" meaning that Mingo has to be more valuable than a combination of CB X.Rhodes/TE Eifert and CB J.Taylor/G Warford/OLB D.Moore/FS Swearinger.

Rhodes/Warford/D.Moore or Eifert/Taylor/Swearinger both look a lot better than Mingo/McFadden right now and it didn't exactly take a psychic to see and know that. Even healthy, you have to question this FOs understanding of "value" considering that Mingo is strictly a situational player at this point and considering his frame maybe much longer, which for a top 10 pick is close to lunacy.

I didn't have much faith in these guys talent evaluation skills and the early returns reinforces that opinion.

I, for one, definitely wanted Hopkins.

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Do I post or wait for Part II??? lol

Anyways. Obviously when we get Lava n Pinkston back we will lose a couple of OLmen on the roster. And actually gain two roster spots to fill.

Kicker no way we will utilize our punter as the kicker...oh n Holder as well!

We must of had a couple of guys spotted with teams that had good to great veterans on it. Thought maybe Bogatay would stick but that late groin injury I guess sealed his fate.

Dawson however still bodes as a rare faux pas by our new guys. Of course if that is our worst mistake we are doing pretty good.

Off to the waiver wire to upgrade on any of the bottom third of our Roster. 15-18 players

JMHO man just one more week till football

You can wait if you want... LOL

Anyway, yeah, when Pink and Lava return, a couple of guys will/could be cut or moved to PS. Not sure which.

I expect that maybe one of the LB's will end up on the PS as well.

That would open up 3 spots.. So, it could be depth at OG or WR or RB or CB and a Kicker. we'll see..

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Do I post or wait for Part II??? lol

Anyways. Obviously when we get Lava n Pinkston back we will lose a couple of OLmen on the roster. And actually gain two roster spots to fill.

Kicker no way we will utilize our punter as the kicker...oh n Holder as well!

We must of had a couple of guys spotted with teams that had good to great veterans on it. Thought maybe Bogatay would stick but that late groin injury I guess sealed his fate.

Dawson however still bodes as a rare faux pas by our new guys. Of course if that is our worst mistake we are doing pretty good.

Off to the waiver wire to upgrade on any of the bottom third of our Roster. 15-18 players

JMHO man just one more week till football

You can wait if you want... LOL

Anyway, yeah, when Pink and Lava return, a couple of guys will/could be cut or moved to PS. Not sure which.

I expect that maybe one of the LB's will end up on the PS as well.

That would open up 3 spots.. So, it could be depth at OG or WR or RB or CB and a Kicker. we'll see..

Isn't Pink and Lava already members of the 53? Why do they need to cut anyone upon their return?

James-Michael Johnson signed by the Chiefs...

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Can't remember the last time our FO played as much "the grass is greener" with their roster. Not sure this is a good sign

Exactly. See my response in the Browns final 53 thread.

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Do I post or wait for Part II??? lol

Anyways. Obviously when we get Lava n Pinkston back we will lose a couple of OLmen on the roster. And actually gain two roster spots to fill.

Kicker no way we will utilize our punter as the kicker...oh n Holder as well!

We must of had a couple of guys spotted with teams that had good to great veterans on it. Thought maybe Bogatay would stick but that late groin injury I guess sealed his fate.

Dawson however still bodes as a rare faux pas by our new guys. Of course if that is our worst mistake we are doing pretty good.

Off to the waiver wire to upgrade on any of the bottom third of our Roster. 15-18 players

JMHO man just one more week till football

You can wait if you want... LOL

Anyway, yeah, when Pink and Lava return, a couple of guys will/could be cut or moved to PS. Not sure which.

I expect that maybe one of the LB's will end up on the PS as well.

That would open up 3 spots.. So, it could be depth at OG or WR or RB or CB and a Kicker. we'll see..

Isn't Pink and Lava already members of the 53? Why do they need to cut anyone upon their return?

Yes, getting them back won't in and of itself open spots, but with them on the roster, they'll probably cut or put a couple of guys on the PS. Something that can't afford to do today without Pinky and Lava ready to go.

But all that is changed already,, I just read on here that we picked up an OG/C...

Of course we won't HAVE TO - what I'm saying is now way we carry this many OL...the only reason we are (I think 10 is more than enough not 12) carrying the numbers we are is because Lava n Pinkston are out for a couple of games. When they are ready to return I'm saying we will definitely Release a couple of OL not cause we have to but because we are carrying too many then.

Of course opening the door to sign two other players to the roster.

JMHO...nothing more but pretty sure I'm on the money

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Ah well, best of luck to you JMJ.

http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-brow...report-1.425439

Get o-linemen Patrick Lewis off waivers (former Packer).

Thanks Damanshot and Eotab!

I thought the same. From reading your posts, you guys made it sound as if we needed to waive someone on their return. We're on the same page now!

Braxston Cave picked up by the Pats.
http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football-player-news?rw=1

Raiders claimed DL Brian Sanford off waivers from the Browns.

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football-player-news?rw=1

Looks like Seneca Wallace is still milking his back-up career., even after opening his mouth Green Bay signs him (and they released Vince Young that played well for them?):

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-aaron-rodgers/

So they chose Seneca Wallace over Vince Young?

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So they chose Seneca Wallace over Vince Young?

Yeah I don't get it. I thought Vince played well for them. Must have been more going on behind the scenes but with that said, it's gotta be known Wallace is a cancer in the locker room. I remember when he said he wasn't willing to offer advice or help Colt and just sounds like a non-team player.

Beats me...

I personally don't think too much of Wallace (due to stories I heard while he was Iowa State) but there is nothing that shows he is a cancer in the locker room. That agenda driven nonsense was started by people who didn't like him simply because he had prior ties to Holmgren. The comments said during the time Colt was expected to be our starting QB were very unfortunate and ill-advised, but Seneca wanted/thought he could to be the starter....considering what product we saw from Colt, can you blame him? If one sentence or two to the media determines you a locker room cancer, then the NFL is overrun by an epidemic. These are also the same folks who claimed Wallace was nothing more than a spy for MH...talk about conspiracy theories. That stuff was from the official CB board and not sure if it surfaced here.

As far as the GB signing is concerned, they run a WCO that Wallace should be very familiar with.

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I personally don't think too much of Wallace (due to stories I heard while he was Iowa State) but there is nothing that shows he is a cancer in the locker room. That agenda driven nonsense was started by people who didn't like him simply because he had prior ties to Holmgren. The comments said during the time Colt was expected to be our starting QB were very unfortunate and ill-advised, but Seneca wanted/thought he could to be the starter....considering what product we saw from Colt, can you blame him? If one sentence or two to the media determines you a locker room cancer, then the NFL is overrun by an epidemic. These are also the same folks who claimed Wallace was nothing more than a spy for MH...talk about conspiracy theories. That stuff was from the official CB board and not sure if it surfaced here.

As far as the GB signing is concerned, they run a WCO that Wallace should be very familiar with.

Dude, if a guy says that to the media without a second thought, who knows what he says in the locker rooms but I could take an educated guess, it's probably why he has done nothing but bounce from team to team. On a squad full of young people, that isn't what we need but I guess Green Bay is acceptable of his nature. But if you want to stick up for him, then cool bro.

Yep. Wallace should be a quality backup in Green Bay.

If anyone writes that he should be the starter, they would be laughed out of the state. I think that he knows his role very well. We didn't hear a word about Wallace wanting/expecting to be the starter in Seattle, and I wouldn;t expect to hear anything in Green Bay either.

Not backing him up and as I said I'm not a fan of him- I just don't believe wild speculation from a sentence or two and board member(s) agenda as the only reasons to justify him as being a locker room cancer. To me, that's reckless.

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Yeah I don't get it. I thought Vince played well for them. Must have been more going on behind the scenes but with that said, it's gotta be known Wallace is a cancer in the locker room. I remember when he said he wasn't willing to offer advice or help Colt and just sounds like a non-team player.

Wallace should be ok in Green Bay then.. the Packers have a QB who won't need Seneca's advice.

Ted Thompson, who is either the Packers GM, President, or some combination of high ranking jobs, said that he wanted to keep Young, but he didn't have enough time to pick up the mechanics of the offense.

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Not backing him up and as I said I'm not a fan of him- I just don't believe wild speculation from a sentence or two and board member(s) agenda as the only reasons to justify him as being a locker room cancer. To me, that's reckless.

I agree with you. What evidence other than that media quote is there that he is a locker room cancer?

Seems to me he got a bad rep from that one instance and people just ran with it.

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Not backing him up and as I said I'm not a fan of him- I just don't believe wild speculation from a sentence or two and board member(s) agenda as the only reasons to justify him as being a locker room cancer. To me, that's reckless.

What a bunch of crap!

The guy didn't even get in the huddle during games. That is a fact.

He clearly said he would not help Colt.

He bad-mouthed his teammates.

You only liked him because he was The Big Show's snitch. I can live w/that, but for you to belittle others who called it for what it was is beyond lame.

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Not backing him up and as I said I'm not a fan of him- I just don't believe wild speculation from a sentence or two and board member(s) agenda as the only reasons to justify him as being a locker room cancer. To me, that's reckless.

What a bunch of crap!

The guy didn't even get in the huddle during games. That is a fact.

He clearly said he would not help Colt.

He bad-mouthed his teammates.

You only liked him because he was The Big Show's snitch. I can live w/that, but for you to belittle others who called it for what it was is beyond lame.

...and I remember him sitting on the sidelines apart from everyone. Whether that was his own will or he was ostracized by his teammates, I do not know...

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Not backing him up and as I said I'm not a fan of him- I just don't believe wild speculation from a sentence or two and board member(s) agenda as the only reasons to justify him as being a locker room cancer. To me, that's reckless.

What a bunch of crap!

The guy didn't even get in the huddle during games. That is a fact.

He clearly said he would not help Colt.

He bad-mouthed his teammates.

You only liked him because he was The Big Show's snitch. I can live w/that, but for you to belittle others who called it for what it was is beyond lame.

LOL that's funny..

By the way, who the hell cares, he's gone, he's outta here.. who cares.

I only care because I know some of the guys Memphis was belittling.

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I only care because I know some of the guys Memphis was belittling.

I still don't care.. LOL

LOL.................I didn't expect you to care. I just wasn't going to take that crap w/out a comeback. No biggie.

A snitch, huh? Riiiiiiiight. Keep telling yourself that.

And as I said from the outset of my comments on him-- I'm not a fan of his because of stories i heard about him at ISU, but please continue to make things up as you go. You're rather good at it and it's kinda entertaining.

A snitch....

Priceless.

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stories i heard about him at ISU

what stories?

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LOL.................I didn't expect you to care. I just wasn't going to take that crap w/out a comeback. No biggie.

you weren't thinking I was giving you crap were you?

Wow, although worthy Brian Cushing granted a six year contract, 55.6m, 21mil of that is guaranteed. Whew doggie that is some cash flow!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ion-guaranteed/

No, not at all.

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LOL.................I didn't expect you to care. I just wasn't going to take that crap w/out a comeback. No biggie.

you weren't thinking I was giving you crap were you?

You give everybody crap. You are like a crap factory with a big conveyor belt full of crap.