Who's going to be the new HC?

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Jim Donovan just said on the news that he believes this move was made quickly 'cause the front office have their guy in mind already, and want to pursue that individual immediately. He said to maybe expect a head coach signing soon.

i'm wondering who? since they just fed us this speech about them going to be looking at different canidates.

The last time around, we had an opening at GM ..... and rumors abounded about a certain person who (used to) work for NFL Network named Michael Lombardi.

The team made all kinds of pretend interviews with other supposed candidates ....... and wound up with the guy they were linked to all along.

Now, the following year, we again have an opening at head coach, and the name we are most linked to is Josh McDaniels.No one should be surprised if he is our guy.

JC

I have a real problem with the mentality that because we were close on a few games that the talent is good through out the team.

We lost in the later quarters because this team has ZERO quality depth. None. Zilch. NADA.

Starters are winded and tired by the 4th quarter because they had no choice but to play them, too much, to be competitive.

No starting QB, no starting HB, and for half the season we didn't even have 2nd string QB or HB. By some miracle our 3rd string QB got us a few wins. Haden goes down, Skrine goes down, ward goes down, our main weapon Gordon gets the flu right before the game. Yeah we lost to Pittsburgh. Reading the injury report did anyone expect us to compete in that last game. GET REAL!

The TRUTH is that Chud got this team to over perform. They played their hearts out. Yeah maybe at the end of an injury riddled losing season the last few games were bleh. That happens to any team.

This crap stinks! These players are not young forever. They need to be in the same system for multiple years or you might as well put a crap group of free agents together. Building through the draft doesn't work if the players don't get to stay in a system long enough for it to be instinctual.

Who is going to surpass Turner as a OC? Not someone willing to come to an organization run this way that's for damn sure. Horton is a top notch DC running a PROVEN defense. I don't see anyway to improve on him with people willing to come HERE.

For that matter what PROVEN HC is going to want to come join a team with a front office run this way. None. So we will have some rookie HC they will say is full of promise, and potential. But wait ... they have just proven they don't have the patience to let a rookie HC develop.

I really see very little hope for the future due to the atrocious way the organization is being managed.

The only two scenarios I see that would give us hope is:

1) Norv gets promoted to HC and we keep Horton as DC. Offense is always harder to learn and always takes more time.

2) I read the Chin is in town. I think he is the kind of coach Haslem wants. Horten would play for him. He has always been flexible enough to use different styles of offense so he might even keep Norv.

I don't see any available coaches out there that would have gotten more than what Chud got out of our team out there. Losing Turner as OC is a VERY severe blow.

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I read the Chin is in town.

is he house hunting?

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Who's going to be the new HC?

Does it really matter? Banner and Lombardi will screw up the draft and the new guy won't last more than 2 years

You see that's why The Chin would be a great pick up. Our owner has a history with him from being at pitts so if he was our HC it's the GM's that would be gone I can promise you that.

I would not want to be any of the three amigos once The Chin was done with them. If they thought the presser was bad, that would be nothing to what The Chin would tell them.

And they deserve it.

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2) I read the Chin is in town. I think he is the kind of coach Haslem wants. Horten would play for him. He has always been flexible enough to use different styles of offense so he might even keep Norv.

There is no way under the sun Cowher would ever consider coach here under this mess.

For starters, Cowher laughs at our dysfunction...

Second, The ONLY way you may have a shot at convincing Cowher to come here is if you give him final say/Full control on the roster AND he is allowed to bring his buddy (Omar Khan) out of the Steelers FO to be made GM, which means Lombardi and Banner both would most likely be out....thats not gonna happen....

To be honest with you, I think this search comes down to "who is dumb enough to take the job"...honestly...from the outside looking in, any guy looking to get his 1st head coaching gig is going to go elsewhere 1st before considering us.....look how many coaches we have gone through the last few years....every coach fired in the AFC noth in the last 5 years have been Browns head coaches...thats insane....

I just don't think this is looking good at all...We were lucky Chud took the job....because he was the best candidate we had that was willing to accept the offer....now we are probably going to be stuck with someone who is worse then Chud was barring a complete miracle.

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You see that's why The Chin would be a great pick up. Our owner has a history with him from being at pitts so if he was our HC it's the GM's that would be gone I can promise you that.

Cowher has no history with Haslam. Cowher left the Steelers organization a year before Haslam bought in as a minority owner.

Cowher probably only knows who Haslam is because he saw on TV that he bought the Browns!

I like Bill but he is not the answer to our problems.

Gase just scratched himself off the list even IF the job is still open after Denver's run ends; Banner's ego doesn't mess around like that.

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Gase just scratched himself off the list even IF the job is still open after Denver's run ends; Banner's ego doesn't mess around like that.

Addition by subtraction there.

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I read reports of Little working hard in camp, but did you watch him in the games?

Yesterday, he was walking on and off the field every freaking time. His route running was extremely lazy. His body language screamed "I Quit!"

And Gordon's was worse. Of course, we can't mention that because Gordon is "better than Jerry Rice" in these parts.

I was listening to the Steelers broadcast because I was driving home during the second half. They were saying there was something wrong with him and one of the commentators said "he pulled the muscle between his ears".

Couldn't have been more fitting.

Gordon got dinged early in the game... I don't know what he did but he got up slowly multiple times, there were a number of big 3rd down plays when he wasn't on the field.. I have no idea what was going on but something was up with him and I don't think it was all mental. He was moving slowly and gingerly on the sidelines but I couldn't tell what he was favoring...

Josh has been hurting the past few days. And he also has the running style that makes it look like he's not trying hard. Even against Talib it didn't look like he was trying hard at all.

Actually Haslam and the Chin have met several times. He has even used him as a consultant back to at least when he was information gathering about who to make his right hand man. Don't know the specifics other than that. Just saying Haslam has a huge respect for the Chin.

Concerning Gordon, he was playing while sick with the flu. It's a miracle he was able to run at all. That's why its bs to say those guys weren't trying to win for their coach. We just have a ceo that likes to throw his workers under the bus. Just ask his customers and board members. I hope he rots in jail.

Josh also appeared to hurt his hand at one point in the game.

jc

Is David Shaw available?

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Does anybody (perhaps outside of Lombardi) really want McDaniels, particularly after that "mess" with Cutler?

I wouldn't mind McDaniels, but I doubt he would want to come here. I think he is a very bright young coach who will wait for the right opportunity. As in---a safer opportunity.

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I wouldn't mind McDaniels, but I doubt he would want to come here. I think he is a very bright young coach who will wait for the right opportunity. As in---a safer opportunity.

i'm good. we don't need tebow starting for the browns.

we ripped our FO for picking weeden 22nd.

he pick tebow, what, 25th?

nah, good on that.

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I wouldn't mind McDaniels, but I doubt he would want to come here. I think he is a very bright young coach who will wait for the right opportunity. As in---a safer opportunity.

I too like McDaniels. Numbers state HC's who get a second attempt have a high probability succeeding. Not that should be a deciding factor! Some coaches have crashed and burn.

Lombardi has connections via Belichick with McDaniels. One other component, Josh worked with Hoyer in New England. IF Josh feels Hoyer is valid option, the QB question may not be an issue.

I think it will all boil down to whether Lombardi and McDaniels can work together, and whether Josh can put together a workable staff.

'Browns pushing to set up interview with Josh McDaniels'

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Posted by Darin Gantt on December 30, 2013, 3:52 PM EST

As soon as the Browns had an opening, people began linking Josh McDaniels with the job, based on his relationship with Browns General Manager Mike Lombardi.

Now there’s some fire to go with that smoke, as Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network reports the Browns are “pushing” to interview the Patriots offensive coordinator for their vacant head coaching job.

Nothing has been set up at this point, just as there are no rumors yet about a Ryan Mallett package deal (though that’s probably inevitable, as the Tim Tebow reports will be).

The Browns have also asked permission to interview Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase and Seahawks defensive coordinator Dan Quinn, after firing a young coordinator one year into the job (Rob Chudzinski).

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Personally, not thrilled one iota with this coaching prospect. However, it is my opinion that he is the clear front runner.

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Personally, not thrilled one iota with this coaching prospect. However, it is my opinion that he is the clear front runner.

there's no way this guy is the top coaching candidate. are fans the only ones that paid attention to that fiasco he had going on in denver?

and we want that guy HERE?

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Kiszla: It's time to thank Josh McDaniels for Broncos' 2010 draft
By Mark Kiszla
The Denver Post

HONOLULU — In Broncos Country, there are two constants: 1) Orange sunsets. 2) An unrelenting, visceral dislike for former coach Josh McDaniels.

He's called Coach McHoodie, not to mention other disrespectful words far too unfit for print.

But, as young Broncos wide receiver Demaryius Thomas and promising Denver guard Zane Beadles trotted on the field Sunday for the Pro Bowl, an honest man would also have to call McDaniels something else:

McD is a major reason why veteran quarterback Peyton Manning and the Broncos have a legitimate shot at winning a Super Bowl during the next three years.

Maybe that explains why, on an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, I discovered at least one man who doesn't abhor McDaniels.

"I like him," Thomas said of McDaniels. "He gave me a chance in the NFL. He took me in the first round. And, if he didn't, I might not be where I am today, at the Pro Bowl."

No disrespect to Mike Shanahan or John Elway, the past and present architects of Broncos football, but for my money, the best Denver draft class of the past decade was put together in 2010 by McDaniels.

That's the year the team landed four quality NFL starters: Eric Decker, J.D. Walton, Beadles and Thomas. Oh, yeah. There was one other guy from that 2010 draft class you might have heard about: Tim Tebow.

Whether this was the top collection of rookie talent Denver has assembled in the past 10 years is, of course, open to debate. Elway loyalists might prefer his 2011 selections of linebacker Von Miller, safety Rahim Moore and offensive tackle Orlando Franklin. Shanahan did make an impressive haul of talent in 2006, when he grabbed quarterback Jay Cutler, receiver Brandon Marshall and pass rusher Elvis Dumervil.

There's really no argument: Great teams built to last in the NFL are built in the draft. McDaniels never figured out how to treat players like adults. He forced a proud organization to take an unnecessary hit to its reputation with a video scandal that hastened his departure. If nothing else, the Broncos are far more stable and professional with John Fox as coach.

Among the aspects of this Denver team that the front office likes best, however, is the healthy mix of veteran leadership and youthful athleticism. The savvy insight of future Hall of Famers Champ Bailey and Manning is balanced by the physical impact of Thomas and Beadles.

"I think we definitely take pride in our draft class," Beadles said. "What we've been through just in our three years in the league is more than a lot of players have experienced. There was a change of coaching staff, two changes at quarterback and going from a 4-12 season to a 13-3 record this year. I think all that has made us pretty close as a draft class. We're all getting better as players. And I hope we all can be in the NFL for a long while."

Is it crazy to believe that how rapidly Denver matures as a championship contender depends as much or more on the continued growth of players such as Beadles and Decker rather than the solid work of 30-somethings such as Manning and Bailey?

The name of McDaniels will forever be mud in Broncos Country.

"But he did a good job with that draft," Thomas said.

And the Class of 2010 is not finished making a name for itself.

"I always thought I could be one of the best receivers in the game," Thomas said. "But I think Decker can make the Pro Bowl too. We'll get him here. We'll come to the game together."

Broncomaniacs might never forgive McDaniels.

But here are two words maybe you never imagined anybody in Denver would ever say to McDaniels:

Thank you.

This FO should be very cautious picking someone like MCD, considering the mess he made in Denver. I want a winner. Too bad we can't have Urban Meyer.

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Kiszla: It's time to thank Josh McDaniels for Broncos' 2010 draft
By Mark Kiszla
The Denver Post

HONOLULU — In Broncos Country, there are two constants: 1) Orange sunsets. 2) An unrelenting, visceral dislike for former coach Josh McDaniels.

He's called Coach McHoodie, not to mention other disrespectful words far too unfit for print.

But, as young Broncos wide receiver Demaryius Thomas and promising Denver guard Zane Beadles trotted on the field Sunday for the Pro Bowl, an honest man would also have to call McDaniels something else:

McD is a major reason why veteran quarterback Peyton Manning and the Broncos have a legitimate shot at winning a Super Bowl during the next three years.

Maybe that explains why, on an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, I discovered at least one man who doesn't abhor McDaniels.

"I like him," Thomas said of McDaniels. "He gave me a chance in the NFL. He took me in the first round. And, if he didn't, I might not be where I am today, at the Pro Bowl."

No disrespect to Mike Shanahan or John Elway, the past and present architects of Broncos football, but for my money, the best Denver draft class of the past decade was put together in 2010 by McDaniels.

That's the year the team landed four quality NFL starters: Eric Decker, J.D. Walton, Beadles and Thomas. Oh, yeah. There was one other guy from that 2010 draft class you might have heard about: Tim Tebow.

Whether this was the top collection of rookie talent Denver has assembled in the past 10 years is, of course, open to debate. Elway loyalists might prefer his 2011 selections of linebacker Von Miller, safety Rahim Moore and offensive tackle Orlando Franklin. Shanahan did make an impressive haul of talent in 2006, when he grabbed quarterback Jay Cutler, receiver Brandon Marshall and pass rusher Elvis Dumervil.

There's really no argument: Great teams built to last in the NFL are built in the draft. McDaniels never figured out how to treat players like adults. He forced a proud organization to take an unnecessary hit to its reputation with a video scandal that hastened his departure. If nothing else, the Broncos are far more stable and professional with John Fox as coach.

Among the aspects of this Denver team that the front office likes best, however, is the healthy mix of veteran leadership and youthful athleticism. The savvy insight of future Hall of Famers Champ Bailey and Manning is balanced by the physical impact of Thomas and Beadles.

"I think we definitely take pride in our draft class," Beadles said. "What we've been through just in our three years in the league is more than a lot of players have experienced. There was a change of coaching staff, two changes at quarterback and going from a 4-12 season to a 13-3 record this year. I think all that has made us pretty close as a draft class. We're all getting better as players. And I hope we all can be in the NFL for a long while."

Is it crazy to believe that how rapidly Denver matures as a championship contender depends as much or more on the continued growth of players such as Beadles and Decker rather than the solid work of 30-somethings such as Manning and Bailey?

The name of McDaniels will forever be mud in Broncos Country.

"But he did a good job with that draft," Thomas said.

And the Class of 2010 is not finished making a name for itself.

"I always thought I could be one of the best receivers in the game," Thomas said. "But I think Decker can make the Pro Bowl too. We'll get him here. We'll come to the game together."

Broncomaniacs might never forgive McDaniels.

But here are two words maybe you never imagined anybody in Denver would ever say to McDaniels:

Thank you.

awesome draft. now, how did those players do while he was coaching?

the trades he made, etc.

alex mack is probably thanking mangini too. doesn't mean he had anything to do with him going to the pro bowl right now.

McDaniels ran wild in Denver. I don't think he's have that same opportunity here. As in, if he came here he'd be in check by Banner.

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McDaniels ran wild in Denver. I don't think he's have that same opportunity here. As in, if he came here he'd be in check by Banner.

yea? thats true. i'm wondering though, besides QB, whats going to be the focus on the off-season players IF mcdaniels is indeed our HC.

That article is hilarious. It's as if the author missed that Thomas's and Decker's great seasons in 2012 and 2013 coincide with playing with the greatest QB in modern NFL history (who's success, according to some, is apparently due to the stellar coaching work of Adam Gase).

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McDaniels ran wild in Denver. I don't think he's have that same opportunity here. As in, if he came here he'd be in check by Banner.

yea? thats true. i'm wondering though, besides QB, whats going to be the focus on the off-season players IF mcdaniels is indeed our HC.

I'm not saying we should hire him, but he's an offensive coach. He took a garbage team to an 8-8 record. He was dealing with Brandon Marshal who had a myriad of mental health issues back then. His one Major Gaff was falling in love with Tebow, I doubt he'd get away with that here, now.

Even with that said. Look at the draft from that year (the year he got fired), those were some good players....

WR: Demaryius Thomas, Georgia Tech

QB: Tim Tebow, Florida

Guard: Zane Beadles, Utah

Center: J.D. Walton, Baylor

WR: Eric Decker, Minnesota

CB: Parrish Cox, Oklahoma State

Center: Eric Olsen, Notre Dame

CB: Syd'Quan Thompson, California

LB/DE: Jammie Kirlew, Indiana

Not saying he's a "Great" candidate, but in my mind, he's an offensive guy (which IMO you need), he's young and aside from one really bad year and situation in Denver has done pretty well.

Agreed. The biggest question with Josh is has he grown up? He was a 32 year old who was mentored under two hard butts in Sabin and BB, and he thought he would run it the same way.....big time mistake. He does have some positives though. As the article alluded to he has a good eye for talent the Tebow reach aside. He is also a pretty creative play caller who has made the most of the depleted cast the Pats have this year.

My biggest question/concern is twofold....has he grown up??.... And did he learn from the previous mistakes?? It's up to the FO to answer those, but if he has he could be a very good coach.

Id take a package deal for him and Tebow yesterday....

Say what you want about Tebow but the kid is a winner and finds ways to do so.

My problem is that Haslam and Banner are attached at the hip ..

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Id take a package deal for him and Tebow yesterday....

Say what you want about Tebow but the kid is a winner and finds ways to do so.

Always??? So he has what 3/4 Superbowl Rings then right?

Do we really need to worry about him having that much input in our draft w Banner & Lombardi in the room?

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Do we really need to worry about him having that much input in our draft w Banner & Lombardi in the room?

Well Banner & Lombardi running things instead of McDaniels is a better situation but it's like the Blind leading Hellen Keller.

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[McDaniels] took a garbage team to an 8-8 record.

Taking a team that was 8-8 the year before to an 8-8 record is an accomplishment? Not to mention that they started 6-0 and finished 2-8.

Texas Tech coach, young, offensive minded, groomed johnny manzel who we might end up getting

Just a thought

I agree with BpG. If McDaniels comes here, he won't be making personal decisions. I'm on the fence whether or not I want him, but Bill Bellichick and some others did well with second chances. As for McDs love for Tebow, everyone can make a mistake.

I don't think it's just the Tebow reach that has people worried about McD, but wasn't he also the trade partner with us back in the Quinn for Hillis AND PICKS trade?

Did McD actually go and get these players, or was it his GM?

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'Browns pushing to set up interview with Josh McDaniels'

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Patriots give Browns permission to interview Josh McDaniels

Posted by Darin Gantt on December 31, 2013, 1:15 PM EST

It appears the Browns have someone willing to interview with them, the guy everyone assumed would be first on their list all along.

According to Albert Breer of the NFL Network, the Patriots have given the Browns permission to interview offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels for their vacant head coaching job.

Ostensibly, McDaniels would be interested, given his ties with Browns General Manager Mike Lombardi.

Not everyone seems as eager. Already, Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase has said he doesn’t want to interview for anything until his season is over, and there are indications Cardinals defensive coordinator Todd Bowles might not be interested either.

There’s a clean-slate quality to the Browns job, knowing they’re going to go get a quarterback this offseason. Whether that’s a draft pick or some veteran player remains to be seen.

McDaniels took Tim Tebow when he had the chance to do the same thing in Denver, and coincidentally, he’s available.

I would love to see the Browns interview Broncos!OC Peyton Manning.

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'Browns pushing to set up interview with Josh McDaniels'

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Patriots give Browns permission to interview Josh McDaniels

Posted by Darin Gantt on December 31, 2013, 1:15 PM EST

It appears the Browns have someone willing to interview with them, the guy everyone assumed would be first on their list all along.

According to Albert Breer of the NFL Network, the Patriots have given the Browns permission to interview offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels for their vacant head coaching job.

Ostensibly, McDaniels would be interested, given his ties with Browns General Manager Mike Lombardi.

Not everyone seems as eager. Already, Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase has said he doesn’t want to interview for anything until his season is over, and there are indications Cardinals defensive coordinator Todd Bowles might not be interested either.

There’s a clean-slate quality to the Browns job, knowing they’re going to go get a quarterback this offseason. Whether that’s a draft pick or some veteran player remains to be seen.

McDaniels took Tim Tebow when he had the chance to do the same thing in Denver, and coincidentally, he’s available.

right now, i'm praying for a miracle.

if we do indeed get McDaniels, i pray to GOD houston drafts johnny football.

if we do not trade up with st. louis for #2 and grab teddy bridgewater, the draft will already be a failure, imo.

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I think they regret not getting their college spread guy. I want Briles but think we get Sumlin.

Report: Kevin Sumlin staying at Texas A&M through at least 2015

What about Duke head coach David Cutcliffe?

If we want someone who can groom a young Qb …

What is Todd Grantham up to these days. The next head coach of the Browns? Why not, I bet they could,

Espn is reporting obrien is taking the texans job....

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Browns "very interested" in interviewing Auburn's Gus Malzahn and Vanderbilt's James Franklin

Well it definitely wont be Norv. He basically told haslem where to shove it.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/102232...-rob-chudzinski

I really have lost any hope for a real future for this football team. I am sorry I will take what a man like Norv says over a Crook like Haslem any day. Clearly Chud was lied to and set up to fail.

Only the Chin can save us now and I just don't think he really gives a darn. Although it would possibly make him the most celebrated coach in the history of football if he did.

I'd LOVE to see them hire Malzahn. It'd take the sting from looking like morons if they hit that homerun.

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Well it definitely wont be Norv. He basically told haslem where to shove it.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/102232...-rob-chudzinski

I really have lost any hope for a real future for this football team. I am sorry I will take what a man like Norv says over a Crook like Haslem any day. Clearly Chud was lied to and set up to fail.

Only the Chin can save us now and I just don't think he really gives a darn. Although it would possibly make him the most celebrated coach in the history of football if he did.

I don't know that he told them to shove it ..... but I do think that he called them on their BS.

Penn State coach Bill O'Brien reached an agreement to become the Houston Texans' new coach, the Houston Chronicle's John McClain reported Tuesday night.

Other media outlets also reported that O'Brien was joining Houston. An introductory press conference is reportedly scheduled for Saturday.

The Texans fired coach Gary Kubiak in early December, and they finished the season with 14 consecutive defeats. After going 2-14, Houston will make the first pick in this year's NFL Draft.

Before coaching the Nittany Lions the past two seasons, O'Brien was an assistant coach with the New England Patriots for six years and the offensive coordinator when they lost to the New York Giants in Super Bowl XLVI.

He took over in State College in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky sex-abuse scandal and managed to keep the Nittany Lions competitive despite NCAA sanctions.

O'Brien, 44, guided Penn State to 15-9 record. He was selected Big Ten coach of the year after the Nittany Lions finished 8-4 in 2012.

O'Brien interviewed for the Philadelphia Eagles and Cleveland Browns head coaching jobs last offseason. Penn State made it easier for O'Brien to leave for the NFL by reducing the buyout teams would have to pay the school for hiring him from $19.33 million to $6.48 million.

Wade Phillips took over as the Texans' interim coach after Kubiak was fired following the team's 2-11 start. Houston lost all three games under Phillips as part of the longest losing streak in franchise history.

Houston becomes the first NFL team to hire a new coach in the offseason. Five other teams fired their coaches Sunday or Monday, but the Texans had a head start on the search process after relieving Kubiak of his duties in-season.

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Agent to keep an eye on for the next coach...

Schwartz, McDaniels, Franklin, and Malzahn are represented by agent Jimmy Sexton.

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The Cleveland Browns are very interested in interviewing Auburn coach Gus Malzahn and Vanderbilt coach James Franklin for their head coaching vacancy, according to league sources, and are expected to hire Jim Schwartz as defensive coordinator.

Cleveland Browns want to interview Auburn's Malzahn, Vandy's Franklin Jason La Canfora CBS Sports NFL Insider

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What happened to all the McDaniels and Manziel posts? I'd say they are relevant after tonight, or are no positive posts allowed?

Ummm...what happened to the head coach hiring their coordinators?

WTH?

They saw how well it worked out for Jerry Jones.

Tom Brady has a high opinion of Josh McDaniels ...

Tom Brady Calls Josh McDaniels His ‘Best Offensive Coach,’ Wants Him to Stay With Patriots for ‘Rest of My Life’

by Luke Hughes on Mon, Dec 30, 2013
NESN

Tom Brady has enjoyed some of his best NFL seasons under Josh McDaniels. So, it’s no wonder that Brady wants the Patriots offensive coordinator to stay in New England a while longer.

McDaniels, 37, is already rumored to be the top target for the Cleveland Browns and several other teams looking for head coaches this offseason. He drew interest from the Browns, among other teams, last offseason as well, but eventually turned down those opportunities to stick with the Patriots. With McDaniels’ name back on the radar once again, though, Brady is hoping for similar result again this year.

“I have so much respect for him and what he does for me, what he does for our team,” Brady said on WEEI’s Dennis & Callahan on Monday. “He’s just a great coach. He’s got a lot of poise. He’s got a lot of disciple[s]. I hope he doesn’t go anywhere. I’d love for him to coach me the rest of my life. But that’s just the way it is. He’s one of my best friends, and I love having him.”

McDaniels is in his second stint with the Patriots (2001-2008 and 2011-present) after failing to find success during two seasons as head coach of the Denver Broncos and a short stopover as the offensive coordinator of the St. Louis Rams. McDaniels was the Patriots’ offensive coordinator for five seasons (2006-2008 and 2012-2013), and during those years, Brady was arguably at his best.

Brady won one of his two MVP awards and threw 133 of his 359 career touchdowns under McDaniels’ watch. McDaniels was also the offensive coordinator during the Patriots’ historic 2007 season, when Brady threw a then-record 50 touchdown passes. Brady has thrived especially since McDaniels returned as offensive coordinator last season, throwing for more than 9,000 yards, 59 touchdowns and just 19 interceptions over the last two seasons.

“Josh is the best offensive coach I could ever imagine,” Brady said. “He’s so prepared. He’s so confident in what he does. He figures out a way each week to get us in the best position as players to win.”

While becoming a head coach again is likely on McDaniels’ list of career goals, his return to New England at the end of the 2011 season was as much about stability as it was rebuilding his reputation, as the NFL Network’s Albert Breer pointed out on Monday. McDaniels has four young children and is one of the highest-paid assistants in the NFL, so he has incentives to stay put rather than jump at a risky opportunity.

http://nesn.com/2013/12/tom-brady-wants-...ffensive-coach/

I hope Brady gets what he wants lol...

Browns job may be the best of the bunch:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/01/browns-job-may-be-the-best-of-the-bunch/

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With six NFL head-coaching jobs open, one stands above the rest as the bunch.

And, no, it’s not the Lions.

In Cleveland, the Browns have five Pro Bowlers: left tackle Joe Thomas, center Alex Mack, wide receiver Josh Gordon, tight end Jordan Cameron and cornerback Joe Haden. They have a young roster — currently the second-youngest in the league.

They’ll likely get even younger in 2014, with 10 draft picks. Three of those come in the first 35 selections.

But they also have the ability to get older if they want, with nearly $40 million in cap space on the books for 2014.

The biggest attraction comes from the ability of the next coach to hand pick his next quarterback, subject to whatever the teams holding the first three picks in the draft choose to do (and the wishes of the front office). Given the existing talent, the draft picks, the cap space, and the void at quarterback, the Browns in 2014 may be an even better version of the Chiefs in 2013, who with the addition of Andy Reid and Alex Smith went from 2-14 to 11-5.

There’s one potential caveat, as there always is when things seem to be too good to be true. Tony Grossi of ESPN Cleveland believes that former coach Rob Chudzinski failed in part because he gave short shrift to quarterback Brian Hoyer, a favorite of G.M. Mike Lombardi who showed a high degree of ability when the third-stringer finally got a chance to play. If the powers-that-be in Cleveland want to roll with Hoyer, the new coach may have his hands tied.

Then again, the new coach may also have the ability to ignore Hoyer or any other players on whom the front office is high, because there’s no way the Browns could pull off a second straight one-and-done head coach. Though the next coach may not make it to a third year, there’s no way he’s getting fired after one.

While these circumstances position the Browns to get anyone they want, the prevailing belief in league circles is that they definitely want Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels — and that they wouldn’t have fired Chudzinski unless they knew they could get McDaniels.

So why all the other names and interviews, if McDaniels is the guy? Apart from ensuring compliance with the Rooney Rule, the Browns need to create the impression that they turned rocks and kicked tires before choosing a previously failed Belichick disciple who may fail a second time — just as Romeo Crennel and Eric Mangini have done.

Besides, the Browns need to have a good fallback plan in place (Plan B could be Jim Schwartz). Last year, Chudzinski became the candidate for whom the Browns settled. While the organization deserves credit for admitting quickly that they hired the wrong guy, the decision to fire him represents a clear admission that, last time around, they definitely hired the wrong guy.

If they don’t get it right this time, owner Jimmy Haslam could be firing more people than the coach.

Apparently Jim Schwartz is about to become our DC....Doesn't he run a 4-3?

Cleveland Browns interested in Auburn's Gus Malzahn, Vanderbilt's James Franklin for head coach job; Jim Schwartz as DC, per report

CLEVELAND -- The Browns are very interested in Auburn coach Gus Malzahn and Vanderbilt coach James Franklin for their head coaching vacancy, and are expected to hire fired Lions coach Jim Schwartz as defensive coordinator, league sources have told CBS Sports' Jason LaCanfora .

All are clients of super-agent Jimmy Sexton, who also represents Browns candidate Josh McDaniels, the offensive coordinator of the New England Patriots whom the Browns have received permission to interview.
Sexton has strong ties to Browns general manager Mike Lombardi dating back to Lombardi's first stint with the Browns in the early 1990s.

The Browns are starting their interviews this week, with Seahawks defensive coordinator Dan Quinn up first Wednesday in Seattle.

The success this season of Eagles coach Chip Kelly, whom the Browns pursued heavily last year, apparently has the club hot on the heels of Malzhan this year. Kelly led the high-flying Eagles to the NFC title with a 10-6 record in his first year in the NFL.

Malzahn, 48, will lead his 12-1 Tigers in the BCS Championship Game Monday night against the 13-0 Florida State Seminoles.

After a Cinderella season by Auburn -- one in which the Tigers upset top-ranked Alabama with a 100-yard return of a missed field goal in the Iron Bowl -- Malzahn was named 2013 Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year, Sporting News Coach of the Year and the SEC's top coach.

Malzahn, who's never coached in the NFL, published a book and instructional video entitled Hurry Up No Huddle: An offensive philosophy, which has been used by some NFL coaches.

In 2010, then offensive coordinator of the top-ranked, Cam Newton-led Tigers, Malzahn earned the Broyles Award for the nation's top assistant.

Franklin, 41, has led Vanderbilt to a bowl game in each of the past three seasons, and a 23-15 mark.

Schwartz, fired Monday by the Lions, began his career with the Browns in 1991 under Lombardi and Belichick. He's maintained close ties with Lombardi ever since.

CEO Joe Banner said Monday that his new coach would have free rein to hire his own staff.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/01/cleveland_browns_interested_in.html#incart_m-rpt-2

Here's my thinking, if the head coach have free reign to hire his staff, why is the front office looking at DC and OC?

Because IMO, Josh McDaniels already been hired. There just going through the formalities at this point. Both Schwartz and MCD have Lombo ties plus I think MCD called his own plays in Denver. We may not even have a play calling OC next year.

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Well it definitely wont be Norv. He basically told haslem where to shove it.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/102232...-rob-chudzinski

I really have lost any hope for a real future for this football team. I am sorry I will take what a man like Norv says over a Crook like Haslem any day. Clearly Chud was lied to and set up to fail.

Only the Chin can save us now and I just don't think he really gives a darn. Although it would possibly make him the most celebrated coach in the history of football if he did.

I agree with Turner.. you don't tell a staff that we are building towards one thing, then judge them on a season record that they helped create by letting holes continue to exist.

Turner seems to be spot on. JMO of course

This almost sounds like Banner and Haslam and Lombardi are trying their best to out smart themselves....

Why hire a DC or an OC or any coaching staff without having the HC in place. Damn.. is it me or does that seem idiotic

Norv Turner was spot on in his comments.

The only thing that can save face now is to hire a name coach like the Indians did with Francona. The Browns really need to follow that model.

My fear is that Banner and Lombardi wants a pet "yes" man like McDaniels. The same model that Holmgren had with Shurmer. That way they cam appease their own ego's and have a coach that wil guide their program. They do not want a coach that runs a program.

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Browns "very interested" in interviewing Auburn's Gus Malzahn and Vanderbilt's James Franklin

I'm not all that upset by this. I actually like both of these guys. Would they make good NFL coaches? I don't know, but Malzahn instituted the Hurry Up, No Huddle offense. The high energy, fast paced system that's being fused into the NFL in some particulars.

Franklin is only 41 and in his 3 years at Vandy has a 23-15 record in the SEC. He's mostly been a receivers coach too.

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This almost sounds like Banner and Haslam and Lombardi are trying their best to out smart themselves....

Why hire a DC or an OC or any coaching staff without having the HC in place. Damn.. is it me or does that seem idiotic

Everything is ass-backwards with this FO. Can anyone really envision a spectacular turn around with this group of people and the way they're going about things? And can anyone envision them managing and sustaining any success, should the roulette ball just magically land on our number next year? I've worked for too many dysfunctional organizations in my life time to have magical thinking about this sort of thing. The foundation is screwed up IMHO and anything build on top of it may stand for a bit but will eventually collapse again into a giant heaping mess. It's so obvious it hurts.

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Well it definitely wont be Norv. He basically told haslem where to shove it.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/102232...-rob-chudzinski

I really have lost any hope for a real future for this football team. I am sorry I will take what a man like Norv says over a Crook like Haslem any day. Clearly Chud was lied to and set up to fail.

Only the Chin can save us now and I just don't think he really gives a darn. Although it would possibly make him the most celebrated coach in the history of football if he did.

I agree with Turner.. you don't tell a staff that we are building towards one thing, then judge them on a season record that they helped create by letting holes continue to exist.

Turner seems to be spot on. JMO of course

I don't think I've ever liked Turner more than after reading that. They're obviously in a bubble and nobody is getting through to them. Someone who is actually in the room and not nicknamed Chud has to call them out.

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Why hire a DC or an OC or any coaching staff without having the HC in place. Damn.. is it me or does that seem idiotic

Seems like they are really staying true to their word.

In the presser, Banner specifically addressed that and said that the new coach would have full rein in choosing his staff.

If I'm a candidate and find out that they are hiring my staff for me, I cancel my interview....

JC

Is the Rooney rule not in effect this year? I know a bit about Quinn's defensive philosophy from watching a few Seattle games this year, I also know that "Quinn" is an Irish name and that Quinn doesn't look anything close to a minority.

j/c...well obviously this was done (Firing) with Lombardi's choice of McDaniel.

He has been a pretty good OC from all that I have read. But here is the thing. Norv Turner is one of the best OCs in the game...but he never excelled as a HC. So far McDaniel failed miserably in his first attempt. Lost the team.

He's young and can learn...others before him have done so. If we did not get the assurance of a done deal - as in well mum's the word cause we got to do the Rooney thing

And its just our first choice and he has to make a decision - Well look no further than Chip Kelly our first choice of last year! He went back to Oregon because of teams like the Browns pursuing him as there was not stability in our franchise...oh but these guys would be different.

The only ONLY HC one season and done in our history??? Forrest Greg??? not sure.

He finally did sign with the Eagles reversing his initial decision solely on the fact that the previous Regime had 14 years. Btw another joke is Banner saying that over n over again like it was his doing and his MANTRA that he really is going to bring in stability...UHHH EXCUSE ME - YOU JUST FIRED THE GUY YOU HIRED....YOOOOUUUU HIRED. But again us fans are a bunch of dummies we won't see through the lies.

He actually in that press conference tried to pass himself off as the KING OF STABILITY n CONTINUITY based on Reid's 14 seasons.

OH n get this...Andy Reid's 1st season he was 5-11 and finished 5th (last) in the NFC East! If I recolliect they had the #2 pick on got the best QB in the draft McNabb...

So we are going to Reboot...and HOPE our first choice of a HC thinks we will provide enough Stability to say yes. Cause whatever Stability we lacked last season its worse now.

The only one I would get excited about would be Gruden. He would keep the D as is. And bring in his NFL version of the college spread similar to what we are seeing from Kelly.

But he already looked at the STABILITY and just went

yeah otay!

If McDaniels says no then what? Obrien...we already know he won't come here due to the stability or lack of!

Another Reboot from the self proclaimed - We get it about Continuity and this franchise needs Stability the most...

actions says one thing words another.

Insanity: Doing the same thing over n over again expecting a different result!

JMHO

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My fear is that Banner and Lombardi wants a pet "yes" man like McDaniels.

How do you know if Josh is going to be a yes man ? Has McDaniels admitted to being a yes man ? I guess i just don't know this

People that are a yes man dont claim themselves of being one. Why would they?

Words of wisdom from Norv to the 3 stooges:

Turner clearly asked why the staff was told the plan was for a long-term rebuild when the commitment from the front office didn't last a year. Turner also detailed his concern that the coaching staff worked with handicaps given the personnel on the field, the sources said.

I'm sure he spoke for the majority of the staff! Ummm let me answer this one, Cause they are LIARS?

JMHO - watch the one staff member to stay, will be the only guy I thought should be fired TABOR...

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Norv Turner was spot on in his comments.

The only thing that can save face now is to hire a name coach like the Indians did with Francona. The Browns really need to follow that model.

My fear is that Banner and Lombardi wants a pet "yes" man like McDaniels. The same model that Holmgren had with Shurmer. That way they cam appease their own ego's and have a coach that wil guide their program. They do not want a coach that runs a program.

I don't know if McDaniels is a yes man? Nothing that I know of him (which I grant you isn't a lot) leads me to believe he's a yes man.

I don't know how you get they don't want a coach that runs a program. What did they say or what do you know makes you believe that?

Not ragging on you, I just don't understand the comment.

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j/c...well obviously this was done (Firing) with Lombardi's choice of McDaniel.

I don't get how it's that "obvious"? What makes you say that?

I'm not saying you are wrong just asking

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It appears the Browns have someone willing to interview with them, the guy everyone assumed would be first on their list all along.

LOL that's one hell of a slap to say it that way... "someone WILLING to interview with them! LOL

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People that are a yes man dont claim themselves of being one. Why would they?

Exactly .. why would they... So then how do you know if they are ?

wouldn't you have to personally work with and know the person... before you claim they are ?

Actions speak louder than words. The Front Office says they want a coach to pick a QB and make decsions.

Their actions say they want to make all decisions. They want a coach who runs what they set up for them. They do not want a coach that tells them what he wants and/or needs and then they go out and get that for him.

They want to hire a young coach who will allow them to dictate the program. Kind of like Pat Shurmer was for Mike Holmgren.

Banner and Lombardi are ego maniacs and need to be the micro managing the team on and off the field telling the coach what he needs instead of being the FO that hires a coach and listens to their opinion of what they need and then going out and filling those needs.

Haslem is the owner, he needs to step up. He doesn't need to go anywhere to build a respectful football team.

The problem is Banner and Lombardi. The way I see it, as an owner he can do 3 things, and from knowing absolutely nothing as a fan, only 1 of these in my opinion is right.

1. He can support the status quo and keep Lombardi and Banner together at the top to put together something going forward.

2. He can throw both Lombardi and Banner under the bus, replacing both of them and bringing in 2 new names to put something together going forward.

3. He can support one of either Lombardi or Banner, who by himself wouldn't be so bad in a position, and throw the other one under the bus, bringing in some new name in the top 3 of the organization ... to put something together going forward.

Maybe Lombardi wouldn't be so horribly freaking bad if he was by himself and Banner was out the door. I don't know.

But I do think the lack of a head coach (EARLY) in the offseason last year probably hurt the teams off season in the free agent market.
So IF the right move is to get rid of Banner, then the right time to do it was yesterday.

To throw out another name.

The guy I wanted to take over after Mangini left was Brad Sealy. I would still be interested in him. I don't think our FO is at all and I doubt that he would even consider coming here.

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Words of wisdom from Norv to the 3 stooges:

Turner clearly asked why the staff was told the plan was for a long-term rebuild when the commitment from the front office didn't last a year. Turner also detailed his concern that the coaching staff worked with handicaps given the personnel on the field, the sources said.

I'm sure he spoke for the majority of the staff! Ummm let me answer this one, Cause they are LIARS?

JMHO - watch the one staff member to stay, will be the only guy I thought should be fired TABOR...

The front office told them to plan for the long-term but the coaches did their jobs like they weren't concerned about the long-term. That explains the firing of Chudzinski to me.

That is correct. If anyone should be held accountable for the 4 and 12 season. Banner and Lombardi was far more responsible for the failure than Chud, Turner, or Horton.

They set everything up for this off season to put all of the peaces together. Maybe they did not let Haslam know of their plan? Then when Haslam voiced his displeasure they thru Chud under the bus,

either way Banner and Lombardi needs to be held accountable also.

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It appears the Browns have someone willing to interview with them, the guy everyone assumed would be first on their list all along.

LOL that's one hell of a slap to say it that way... "someone WILLING to interview with them! LOL

Maybe Brownoholic is referring to Dan Quinn. He's interviewing today.

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Apparently Jim Schwartz is about to become our DC....Doesn't he run a 4-3?

Cleveland Browns interested in Auburn's Gus Malzahn, Vanderbilt's James Franklin for head coach job; Jim Schwartz as DC, per report

CLEVELAND -- The Browns are very interested in Auburn coach Gus Malzahn and Vanderbilt coach James Franklin for their head coaching vacancy, and are expected to hire fired Lions coach Jim Schwartz as defensive coordinator, league sources have told CBS Sports' Jason LaCanfora .

All are clients of super-agent Jimmy Sexton, who also represents Browns candidate Josh McDaniels, the offensive coordinator of the New England Patriots whom the Browns have received permission to interview.
Sexton has strong ties to Browns general manager Mike Lombardi dating back to Lombardi's first stint with the Browns in the early 1990s.

The Browns are starting their interviews this week, with Seahawks defensive coordinator Dan Quinn up first Wednesday in Seattle.

The success this season of Eagles coach Chip Kelly, whom the Browns pursued heavily last year, apparently has the club hot on the heels of Malzhan this year. Kelly led the high-flying Eagles to the NFC title with a 10-6 record in his first year in the NFL.

Malzahn, 48, will lead his 12-1 Tigers in the BCS Championship Game Monday night against the 13-0 Florida State Seminoles.

After a Cinderella season by Auburn -- one in which the Tigers upset top-ranked Alabama with a 100-yard return of a missed field goal in the Iron Bowl -- Malzahn was named 2013 Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year, Sporting News Coach of the Year and the SEC's top coach.

Malzahn, who's never coached in the NFL, published a book and instructional video entitled Hurry Up No Huddle: An offensive philosophy, which has been used by some NFL coaches.

In 2010, then offensive coordinator of the top-ranked, Cam Newton-led Tigers, Malzahn earned the Broyles Award for the nation's top assistant.

Franklin, 41, has led Vanderbilt to a bowl game in each of the past three seasons, and a 23-15 mark.

Schwartz, fired Monday by the Lions, began his career with the Browns in 1991 under Lombardi and Belichick. He's maintained close ties with Lombardi ever since.

CEO Joe Banner said Monday that his new coach would have free rein to hire his own staff.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/01/cleveland_browns_interested_in.html#incart_m-rpt-2

Back to the Swartz thing and him 4-3? Seriously? So we supposably have McDaniels picked and then we go Swartz and 4-3? Did we seriously just waist a year of going in one path? Now we go BACK to a 4-3 after one year? After Kruger and Mingo? Can they even play a 4-3. Mingo and end in nfl. I guess he played on line before and he did rush this year mostly. But Kruger? He would remind me of mcginnest slopping around out there? We have like 12 dt and 1 end in a 4-3. And that's after taking Sheard and Mingo from lb squad. What left there? Jackson in middle with Krueger and ?

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This almost sounds like Banner and Haslam and Lombardi are trying their best to out smart themselves....

Why hire a DC or an OC or any coaching staff without having the HC in place. Damn.. is it me or does that seem idiotic

Again, as has been said, possibly McDaniels is already "hired" if you understand what I am saying.

I like the idea of Schwartz as DC....the guy is a great defensive coach. I am not worried about him possibly being a 4-3 guy....this year we played plenty of what I would call 4-3 formations. I think we have enough ability in our from 7 to play any formation. Actually, Schwartz plays a wide 9 D....it isn't a 4-3

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Back to the Swartz thing and him 4-3? Seriously? So we supposably have McDaniels picked and then we go Swartz and 4-3? Did we seriously just waist a year of going in one path? Now we go BACK to a 4-3 after one year? After Kruger and Mingo? Can they even play a 4-3. Mingo and end in nfl. I guess he played on line before and he did rush this year mostly. But Kruger? He would remind me of mcginnest slopping around out there? We have like 12 dt and 1 end in a 4-3. And that's after taking Sheard and Mingo from lb squad. What left there? Jackson in middle with Krueger and ?

Don't worry, you'll hear the same line of BS from the same usual suspects. How we can interchange players in either system. How the investment in Bryant and Kruger will still pay off in a system that they weren't even signed to play in. How Mingo at #6 was still a smart move for the 4-3.

No matter what these guys do, some will be saying "give them more time". That wouldn't be so bad if they had given that same luxury to the coaching staff.

But why should we give them what they refuse to give others?

I don't know who they will hire or how things will end up. But if they change back to the 4-3 after that big of an off season investment at building a D for the 3-4, the excuses we'll hear on here will be meaningless. That would be pure ineptitude.

That would basically be saying that the off season last year was a total loss on the D side of the ball.

Again....Schwartz doesn't play a true 4-3. He calls it a wide 9...I think we have the players to play that.

jc

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10226421/tony-dungy-endorses-lovie-smith-tampa-bay-buccaneers-job

Dungy: Smith 'good fit' for Bucs

TAMPA, Fla. -- The coach who once turned the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from losers to winners has some strong thoughts on a candidate he thinks can do the same thing.

In an interview with The Tampa Bay Times, former Buccaneers coach Tony Dungy said Lovie Smith would be a good fit as Tampa Bay's next coach. Smith, who was fired by the Chicago Bears after last season, is reportedly the early favorite to land the Tampa Bay job.

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Former Bears coach Lovie Smith, a Bucs assistant from 1996 to 2000, "could be a really good fit" to replace the fired Greg Schiano, Tony Dungy says.
Smith has ties to the Buccaneers: He was linebackers coach when Dungy took over as coach in 1996.

"I think he knows the lay of the land in the organization, No. 1,'' Dungy told the newspaper. "He's been there and knows how this thing really developed and how it got going well. I also think he could bring some of that back.

"They've got talented people in place, and the one thing he had in Chicago if you talk to all those players, was that loyalty factor and guys wanting to play for him, and I think that's what he would bring and kind of bring this group together.''

The Bucs fired coach Greg Schiano and general manager Mark Dominik on Monday. There also have been reports that the Detroit Lions and Washington Redskins have interest in Smith for their vacancies.

Dungy said Smith would be able to assemble a strong coaching staff. There have been reports that Smith plans to bring former Cal coach Jeff Tedford as the offensive coordinator wherever he ends up.

"He really could [bring a good coaching staff],'' Dungy told the Times. "There are a lot of people that would like to work for him and I would guess the whole key will be who they want to get as a GM, and the whole kind of structure they have and how they move forward.

"But I think Lovie knows how to win in the NFL, he knows a lot of good people. He would have a lot of people who would love to work for him on the staff and he'll have players who would love to play for him. So that's a pretty good combination of things to have.''

Dungy said he hasn't talked to the Glazer family, which owns the Buccaneers, to endorse Smith.

"I have not and I don't think that's the way they operate,'' Dungy told the newspaper. "I think they kind of decide what they want to do and make up their mind and do it, but no, I've not had any contact with them in terms of what's going on now.''

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while i hope he does get a HC job, imo i want him HERE. we talking about getting a HC with a proven track record, he it is. his defenses during his time with the bears speak for themselves. he found a way to have kyle freakin' orton to at least not screw up the games, and went 11-5.

his overall w-l also speak for itself.

i much rather have him over Mcdaniels.

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Again....Schwartz doesn't play a true 4-3. He calls it a wide 9...I think we have the players to play that.

Quit throwing facts out Peen!!!...it's to much fun complaining...lol. I personally don't want to leave the 34 because I like that base d better personally, but I do believe we could pull either one off personnel wise.

I agree...this is a joke. Can you imagine kruger trying to play in the 4-3 lol? Mingo, as a 4-3 defensive end in college only had a whopping 6 SACKS as a senior...in the nfl...do you really he can even manage that with his tiny skinny frame? LOl this is a joke......didnt banner just say in the last press conference he wants the coach to pick his coordinators? Then why hire swartz now?!?!?!?!?

Banner fancies himself a football guru period point blank. he tries to take credit for what Andy Reid and Tom heckertt did in philly.....he is a businessman....that is all...he will run this organization so far down into the ground we will come out in China.

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Again....Schwartz doesn't play a true 4-3. He calls it a wide 9...I think we have the players to play that.

Quit throwing facts out Peen!!!...it's to much fun complaining...lol. I personally don't want to leave the 34 because I like that base d better personally, but I do believe we could pull either one off personnel wise.

i don't think theres anything wrong with Schwartz as a DC,

the problem is who we are picking at HC, on top of, him not having say so over his Coord.

I don't get how it's that "obvious"? What makes you say that?

Well lets put it this way...just as obvious as Lombardi was the pick for the GM job...these guys think everyone else are dummies and they are so smart...unless you are buying the lie that they didn't know who their GM was going to be until the last week before hiring Lombardi.

Lombardi has his head up so far the Pats behind - you got to know that is where the direction is.

Also - its like who else would take the job. I'm not all that against McDaniels being the guy as some others are. I like again the fact he is from the area and I assume a Browns fan so this would be his dream job. He is obviously football intelligent. My only fear with him is his Player relations skill was not his best virtue and this team is broken right now thanks to the 3 Stooges...yuck yuck yuck! It going to take a great motivator to make this work.

Why McDaniels simply cause who else. You know you won't get any bright up comer to leave their College gig to come here. Kelly already set that precedent they won't go to a team that doesn't reek of stability. So just who? Gruden and The Chin won't leave their good gig with the studios for such an unstable job. It was apparent to me Lombardi didn't want Chud...the hire was made before his and it was a Haslam Banner thing and they were at the PRETEND thing stage where they were not in contact with Lombardi on who he wanted. I think this was his guy all along.

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The front office told them to plan for the long-term but the coaches did their jobs like they weren't concerned about the long-term. That explains the firing of Chudzinski to me.

I think you got that wrong...not cause I'm on the different end of the candle. Actually they coached as if there was no URGENCY...it was what they said it would be an evaluation season of what they got. If they thought it was one or done they would have went into their offices and demanded a QB after Hoyer went down. They would not have agreed to play McFadden and virtually CUT OWENS which is what Lombardi did. There was that big article on Banner and his study of Pro-Bowlers First rounders had the bulk majority, then 2nd rounders came next then UDFA's came next. So this past season we must of gotten and released what 20+ of them throughout the year. For the LONG TERM ASSESSMENT...ya think if it was one n done they wouldn't have been screaming for more FA depth? Surprised a smart guy like you who don't usually follow for the sake of following has fallen for their sham.

Are we destined to lose for ever...nah we still got that good young foundation but we are messing with their heads that is for sure...thank goodness Heckert gave us most of that talent and we got all that Cap Room he left us. So I think our future is still bright...just that we could have been in year two of a very good program with stability and continuity. Instead we are rebooting there might be a massive personnel change cause some of these guys are going to want OUT! Probably the smart ones cause they know they were lied to. ONE YEAR...that's all I heard from the players they were stunned...ONE YEAR! In all the ineptitude of former regimes...there never was a ONE YEAR BLOWUP - that they are responsible for bringing here...never! To the players its a sign of INEPTITUDE in the FO...

JMHO

Was Chud your buddy? You sound like you have been injured by this move......now that it has happened, I agree with it. I am tired of sticking with the stale.

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Don't worry, you'll hear the same line of BS from the same usual suspects.

Just as we are now.

Was Chud your buddy?

I see so its ok to insult me cause I don't think its ok...STALE...we have been lied to You n ME...but you are OK with it? We never rebooted from the REGIME THE NEW GUYS MADE and in year one...that means they were either TOTALLY INEPT in their regime build up - that they should leave. Banner is going around stating he is Mr. Stability and cannot understand the questions of the reporters on this firing and how can we possibly think they are not about stability or continuity...I see Reid meanwhile went 5-11 in his first season with the Eagles and that was with an overall #2 QB in McNabb on a team that had some decent talent!

This has nothing to do with the Browns...this has everything to do with Kelly the guy they wanted going to the Playoffs. If you consider ONE SEASON sticking with the stale...please sell the Bridge near here for me...I'll give you a good commission. I'm sure when this all settles I'll be there "BELIEVING" again but only if the players truly believe and the only way I would be able to tell that is not from words but how they play during the season.

But thanks for the argument that obviously I'm upset but guess what I'm making sense...or else you would have came at me with something a little more creative than - Is Chud your Buddy

gee you told me off

jc

I had a complete meltdown over the Chud firing. After a few days of mulling it over, I still don't agree with it BUT I now accept it. There is absolutely nothing we as fans can do to effect the changes made by the FO.

So, I'm going to stop hating them so intensely and instead take a wait and see attitude. I'll give Haslam, Banner and Lombardi 3 more years to do what they see fit before I deem them complete idiots or stooges. However, they have earned my complete distrust to this point.

I do think the TRich trade was genius. But all the other decisions they have made I'm still reserving judgement on until I can reflect upon them without emotion.

I wasn't trying in insult you. I think you are reading in to my comments. I just don't see how you defend a guy who wins 4 games with a group of Pro-Bowl players, numerious 4th qtr meltdowns, and keeps going for it in a low scoring game where a few field goals last week might have changed things.

The bottom line is the team sucked and sucked worse as the season went on. Chud was also the guy who decided who started. It wasn't you or me who kept marching Bess in to the slot when it is pretty clear to my eyes Cooper is a better player. Even if Cooper wasn't on the active roster, Chud had the ability to say the kid was getting it done in practice and needed to be active.

Chud was also the guy who didn't give Rainey the time of day, yet he goes to Tampa and plays well.

Yep, I am glad we have a FO that isn't going to stick with a mistake.

The only thing worse than making a mistake is having the ego to stick with it.

Other than being one of us, Chud was crap. Heck....Cam Newton was bad mouthing the guy earlier in the season, and it looks like Carolina is better off.

Now, if you and others want to question why the FO picked the bum in the first place, I won't argue the point. That can't be defended. They blew it and are now trying to correct the mistake. I give them credit for that. Now we will see if they can get it right.

Lets put it out there.
Chud was going to fail ..although there was some progress up till the NE debacle.
A lot of it is on the players..Campbell admitted he couldn't get over that loss and a lot of the players couldn't that whole week..
As a coach though U gotta get your players out of that kind of funk..do something.
But it appeared at times they didn't play with enough fire to win.Others tried to do too much and some are just talentless to make a difference.
He was inexperienced and made mistakes..plus it now is out he didn't do some things FO , Lombardo wanted..such as cutting Little, not playng some of the younger guys(uh, they're all young)..so he some clashes with the FO..now that said, they didn't provide him some better weapons on offense..
Oh and it now appears that they didn't want Weeden starting, and were questioning why Hoyer was 3rd string..read between the lines.
I was surprised at the firing because they could have given him another year.
They didn't, they said they made a mistake..well mistake uno was hiring him in the first place.
Now they have to get it right.
They cant spout continuity and then keep firing people, it's a retake of the last 13 years.

I don't care what the FO does if it leads to winning...soon!

If they don't live up to their responsibility I expect them to be terminated/resign.

Continuity is great, and needed.

My question is does continuity breed winning or does winning breed continuity?

My thinking is it takes winning first....at least some winning, and not all of it in the first half of the season.

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Other than being one of us, Chud was crap. Heck....Cam Newton was bad mouthing the guy earlier in the season, and it looks like Carolina is better off.

Please stop trumpeting this line of faulty logic. Carolina's offense was no better this year than it was the last two years. It was actually worse than in 2012 in nearly every statistical category. The defense improved by leaps and bounds, giving up over 120 fewer points than it did last year. Carolina's improvement had zero to do with Chud leaving.

Anyone heard the rumor about Gus MalZOON from AuBARN being targeted by the Three Stooges?

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My only fear with him is his Player relations skill was not his best virtue...

Well then, McDaniels should fit in just fine with the FO...

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Other than being one of us, Chud was crap. Heck....Cam Newton was bad mouthing the guy earlier in the season, and it looks like Carolina is better off.

Please stop trumpeting this line of faulty logic. Carolina's offense was no better this year than it was the last two years. It was actually worse than in 2012 in nearly every statistical category. The defense improved by leaps and bounds, giving up over 120 fewer points than it did last year. Carolina's improvement had zero to do with Chud leaving.

The main point of my comment you ignore. Newton was critical of Chud, right? Any way you cut it, Carolina is better this year....right?

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Continuity is great, and needed.

My question is does continuity breed winning or does winning breed continuity?

My thinking is it takes winning first....at least some winning, and not all of it in the first half of the season.

U well know the answer . My point is at some point and that includes the new HC, someone needs some time to do something..but the FO needs to be on that timetable to get MORE talent so that the HC can be successful..thats my point.

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Again, as has been said, possibly McDaniels is already "hired" if you understand what I am saying.

I get it, I just don't buy anything with this bunch until it happens. Like I said somewhere on this board, they are really going to have a tough road convincing me of anything going further. I just don't trust them.

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Anyone heard the rumor about Gus MalZOON from AuBARN being targeted by the Three Stooges?

Ah, a Bammer. Good, I always like irrational hatred based on where a guy was coaching last year.

Gus Malzahn has been, consistently, one of the best coaches in College the past 5 or so years.

His wife just happens to be an idiot.

I agree BBD. Seems some just show up when they can bash something. I am not pimping Malzahn, but he is one heck of a coach.

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Other than being one of us, Chud was crap. Heck....Cam Newton was bad mouthing the guy earlier in the season, and it looks like Carolina is better off.

Please stop trumpeting this line of faulty logic. Carolina's offense was no better this year than it was the last two years. It was actually worse than in 2012 in nearly every statistical category. The defense improved by leaps and bounds, giving up over 120 fewer points than it did last year. Carolina's improvement had zero to do with Chud leaving.

The main point of my comment you ignore. Newton was critical of Chud, right? Any way you cut it, Carolina is better this year....right?

Correlation is not causation.

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His wife just happens to be an idiot.

His wife can do whatever she wants as long as her husband is coaching the Browns.

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His wife just happens to be an idiot.

She coaching STs??? I'm leery of Gus much in the same way I was Kelly, but we seen how that worked out. It will be interesting to see if this is just a BS rumor and Josh McD is the HC-defacto...........or are we legitimately going to interview all of the desired candidates and take the best guy. If Gus actually interviews (or Franklin for that matter) then this isn't window dressing for JM's job imho.

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Anyone heard the rumor about Gus MalZOON from AuBARN being targeted by the Three Stooges?

Yeah, it was posted in this thread last night.

Also, can we all please stick to Chud's potential replacements n this thread & discuss him & his firing in the other one pertaining to it?

Good luck with that...

My question is important. What are the parameters for Banner's removal or Lombardi's? Promised continuity. Nope. Hope they are shown the same degree of loyalty and honesty. I suspect the fix is in as to new coach (es). Lame.

Every boss I've had that was worth a damn held themselves to the same standards they expected of their employees.

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My question is important. What are the parameters for Banner's removal or Lombardi's? Promised continuity. Nope. Hope they are shown the same degree of loyalty and honesty. I suspect the fix is in as to new coach (es). Lame.

I think the parameters are the same....we better start to show improvements.

It's a non issue for me. I was just amazed to see a coach's wife so outspoken and negative about her husbands job, college players, and the attention the game gets as she appeared on what looked to be a faith-based talk show...

It's just if she's irritated people would ask for her husbands autograph or place so much emphasis on the game in a college town, she better have a muzzle on her.

No pun intended.

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His wife just happens to be an idiot.

His wife can do whatever she wants as long as her husband is coaching the Browns.

I dont think it will happen. Banner and lombardi are already set with Josh Mcdainels...who is just another coach who left the belicheck comfort zone and failed miserably. Witht eh jim swartz rumors...it makes sense. I think the only reason they are going to try to interview the auburn coach is because they are simply trying to hide the fact that they have already settled on Josh.........bunch of liars......

I believe Haslam put Banner and Lombardi on notice the other day. He's not a guy thats used to being exposed to that kind of public ridicule (3 Stooges). He did not look like a happy camper. The message Banner and Lombardi should have gotten from him was "get that weak [bleep] outta here."

Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I've been reading the Lombardi has strong ties to agent Jimmy Sexton. Jimmy Sexton represents Josh McDaniels, Jim Schwartz, Gus Malzhan and James Franklin.

Sexton is also a graduate of the University of Tennessee so I would imagine Haslem and he have ties seeing how big of a booster Haslem was for the football program.

I have visions of the Holmgren/Bob LaMonte disaster all over again.

Same old Browns?

I would not be so sure of that.

The alternative scenario is that Haslam made the call to fire Chud, independent of Banner or Lombardi. For all we know they (Banner and Lombardi) may have tried to point out the potential of the negative backlash, but none probably could have guessed the stooges comment and subsequent ridicule.

Either way, Haslam may have figured out by now that his financial success does not translate to respect and decorum in the public arena.

Now Haslam is burdened the fact that in they eyes of the fans, he is part of the continuing problem with his billion dollar team, and not the savior that he may have envisioned for himself.

He Just Won The Rose Bowl....I Wish.Mi

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Words of wisdom from Norv to the 3 stooges:

Turner clearly asked why the staff was told the plan was for a long-term rebuild when the commitment from the front office didn't last a year. Turner also detailed his concern that the coaching staff worked with handicaps given the personnel on the field, the sources said.

I'm sure he spoke for the majority of the staff! Ummm let me answer this one, Cause they are LIARS?

JMHO - watch the one staff member to stay, will be the only guy I thought should be fired TABOR...

U know what tabber .... U struck a HUGE CORD for me here ..... Watch this staff get gobbled up and land with GREAT JOBS right out of the gate and then either MOVE UP or stay at them as long as they want ....

WE HAD A GREAT STAFF .... These guys fired a VERY GOOD STAFF ... not like most of the bozos we've had in the past .... lets back track ...

Jeannie - ... NOT EVEN A SNIFF AT AN INTERVIEW as far as I know .... or did he interview once ... ya ... maybe one .. WOOOHOOOO .... oh wait ... I dunno ... the interview may have been for a DC job ...

great football mind ... no denying that ..... it just didn't carry over into coaching ... don't really matter .... he's where he belongs .... in a consulting role ... lending his great mind wherever needed .... sounds like the moron owner of the fish may give him a shot as a gm ..... good luck with that one Miami fans .... *L* ...

Dumbell - QB coach somewhere now???? .... one year as head man at Miami under another IDIOT HC .... now hes back where he belongs ....

Jauron - Not sure ... but hes a good coach ... think hes a position coach somewhere ....

I'm too tired to type out the rest of the BUMS and the fact there no where now ... where is bOtch at???? ...

Naaaa ... this staff will get GOBBLED UP IN A HEARTBEAT .... wow ... this stinks ... THEY SUCKED OUT MY HOPE!!!!

U know what ... sorry .... but calling them the 3 stooges is an INSULT .... its an insult to the three stooges .... we should be so lucky .....

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Again....Schwartz doesn't play a true 4-3. He calls it a wide 9...I think we have the players to play that.

Ah, yes. The Wide 9 where you play 4 defensive linemen and 3 linebackers. How very different from the 4-3.

Sorry for the pretentious snark, but it's my style for better or worse (it's worse).

Also the Eagles ran the Wide 9 a few years ago and it blew up in there face as the OLBs could not contain their gaps against the tackles.

Lovie Smith hired by the Buccaneers

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Lovie Smith hired by the Buccaneers

i knew it was gonna happen, but i was really hoping he would get interviewed here.

and thats too bad, because he IS the top coaching hire this off-season. we missed on this one, and instead....

sigh...

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What about Duke head coach David Cutcliffe?

If we want someone who can groom a young Qb …

I absolutely love Cutcliffe.. as a college coach. If he leaves Duke it's going to be for a premier college job, don't see him going to the NFL...which is a good move for him.

I wonder how much we will be able to tell about our draft by our HC selection. There are a number of good spread offense coaches in college that I think we will talk to, which makes taking a guy like Manziel a little more likely... or a guy live Seattle's OC... it will be interesting. I can honestly say I don't have a favorite for HC just yet.

Meh, people here hated Bruce Arians, and ripped me over the fact that I thought he was a very good coach back when he worked for us, and he now has the looks of being a great head coach.

You missed Mangini's defensive coordinator, Rob Ryan. He was immediately hired by the Cowboys, improved their defense, then was fired, and immediately hired by the Saints. The 'Boys defense went in the toilet this year, while the Saints improved greatly.

We also had Carl Smith, who has been working with a certain short QB tearing things up in Seattle ....... Gary Brown, who was retained here, then went to the Cowboys last year ...... George Warthop, who was also retained by not one, but 2 Browns regimes ...... Bryan Cox, who went to Miami, then on to work with the Bucs for a couple of years as "front 7 coach" ...... Jerome Henderson went to Dallas with Ryan, and stayed after he was fired because the 'Boys liked him as a DB coach .....

Oh, and we also had Brad seeley. He's pretty good too, from what I have heard.

Very few coaching staffs are great from top to bottom. I do agree that this staff is exceptionally talented, especially at the coordinator position ....... but that doesn't mean that previous staffs necessarily sucked.

Obviously there is something going on with McDaniels.

If they bring in Mallet, that could be the thing (after over 50 years) that finally sends me over the edge. Im not sure I could get over it.

Is mallet a hot head or something?

I know very little of him.

I agree. We had a nice staff this year, but not so much better than previous years, and not so much better than the staff that will be assembled over the next month or two.

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Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I've been reading the Lombardi has strong ties to agent Jimmy Sexton. Jimmy Sexton represents Josh McDaniels, Jim Schwartz, Gus Malzhan and James Franklin.

Sexton is also a graduate of the University of Tennessee so I would imagine Haslem and he have ties seeing how big of a booster Haslem was for the football program.

I have visions of the Holmgren/Bob LaMonte disaster all over again.

Same old Browns?

It appears so. But realistically speaking, it's human nature and I don't have much of a problem with that...as long as it works out OK.

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Every boss I've had that was worth a damn held themselves to the same standards they expected of their employees.

Then consider yourself extremely fortunate...and in the minority.

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I agree. We had a nice staff this year, but not so much better than previous years, and not so much better than the staff that will be assembled over the next month or two.

I can't say that.

I really liked this year's staff, because the strength was in the coordinators. With Mangini, he did have an experienced DC, but a 1st time OC. He also had some younger assistants who turned out to be longer term assistants in the NFL.

Chud went for very experienced coordinators. We knew what these coaches brought to the game. They also brought along some very good position coaches.

One huge difference between the 2 staffs is that Mangini's staff wasn't tole that their were on a long term deal, trying to build a team over time, and Chud's staff (and he, himself) were. Chud was told that the team wasn't going to be the same old Browns, making rash decisions, and not allowing players to grow. Further, the front office made decisions, pushing assets into the future, indicating that this was not the year to be competitive, but rather to develop players. He, and his staff, did develop players. When a staff develops players, it doesn't mean that everyone improved a great deal. Usually there is a talent base that follows a normal progression, and a player or 2 makes a big jump. We had, at least,5 guys make a huge jump forward. (Gordon, Cameron, Haden, Skrine, and Gipson) That's a strong year of player development.

I guess when I responded to Diam, I was just being a little contrary. People berate Mangini's staff, but he has assistants that he hired who stayed here on Shurmur's staff, and again were also a part of Chud's staff. He hired some solid assistants.

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His wife just happens to be an idiot.

Then I guess it's a good thing she's not getting hired right?

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I agree. We had a nice staff this year, but not so much better than previous years, and not so much better than the staff that will be assembled over the next month or two.

I would disagree here. The results weren't any better than any other year by most any other coach we've had, but this was a really solid group of minds running things.

Chud was also the guy who didn't give Rainey the time of day

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First two games...yes, Trent got all the rushing reps and Ogb was in there on passing downs.

3rd game w/ Hoyer at the helm...McGahee got the bulk of the rushes and next came Rainey who caught 1 pass - 4rushes 17 yds...I know we lost that game cause we didn't utilize Rainey more...oh wait we won...

4th game w/Hoyer again. Same deal Rainey was 2nd in rushing reps 6rushes for 9 yards. 2 caught passes...oh yea of course we won that game despite under using Rainey according to you that was a big reason of us losing right???

Game 5...McGahee had his best game Hoyer got the start Weeden finished with probably his best managing game. Not counting Weeden's scrambles Rainey got the the rushes that McGahee didn't 2 rushes 8 yards and 1 pass for -5. Again would this be the game that Chud should be chastised? As we of couse won it also.

Game 6 he had one rush for -0- yards...and pulled his Groin...he was to be out a couple of weeks....Chud asked Lombardi for a backup runner. he didn't tell Lombardi how to make roster room - Lombardi went out and got Fozzy who was on the Chargers Practice Squad n released Rainey....How is this all Chuds fault???

Yes the team did not finish. I get that...Its a trait of Back Up QBs unless you can pull out a dynamic Running game combined with the D. You pretty much are dead in the water. Our Offense was pass Oriented, it worked from the success of the passing game. You know - how it flowed with Hoyer in there. Oh that run run O n good D did get us the win with Weeden relieving Hoyer after the injury. They also had to go to their backup QB so they had the same finishing problem we did and we prevailed.

But Back up QBs cannot finish games well. That's just the way it is. Also when we would be ahead and great against the run on D...it forced teams to go more spread and expose our lack of depth in the secondary. Which also limited a lot of our blitz packages....we Needed a good cover safety for our Nickel to cover the TE or RB which Robertson was exposed...Thats where the long term by our coaching staff came in. Cause no doubt in my mind and by the words of Turner we were given UDFA after UDFA to get the depth right....if one n done...Again no doubt the staff would have been clamoring for Veteran depth instead.

The only thing worse than making a mistake is having the ego to stick with it.

Ummm thats called stability and if we don't get a QB and we only get 2 games from Hoyer as the starter next season....you don't think the results will be similar??? Somebody is in denial and it ain't me. Reid's 5-11 season...they didn't suck? I guess they were just unlucky. All our veterans thought our preparation and practices were very professional. With Coordinators Turner n Horton do you think we were inept in our preparation...no that is why we did so great the first half cause we were well prepared. Campbell had one decent game in him out of what 7 starts...Weeden only ok game was his relief although his last start was pretty interesting with the Gordon record.

They are sticking with Lombardi....I liked his moves for the "LONG TERM" but it didn't help the season much. Bryant was great. Kruger was just OK not bad not any game changer stuff. Mingo was OK, what Owens? McFadden? Hoyer was brilliant, how much of that was Lombardi or just the results of BB. Just what did he do to help the season....bring in around 20 UDFA or 7th round released players in a round robin search of mud to stick to the wall? Don't you see Chud was made the Scapegoat cause it was the same thing Holmgren did when he fired Mangini and got Shurmur he stated we can't lose watch what we do now....well Haslam and Banner stated basically the same thing. They were embarrassed by the 4-12...and Haslam who isn't as gifted as one might think...reacted the only way he knows how to LEAD...Fire and put fear in all - produce or else.

Look I'll never give up on our Browns...we will reboot probably have more success especially if we get a real QB and/or have Hoyer start the entire season assuming of course he gets the new playbook coming. Cause he's not about his natural ability...he's about knowing the O and executing.

In the Long run "ON PAPER" we are losing just a year. We did cause a lot of damage in the heart of the players. If we get that dynamic HC we can turn them around into the new program....you know how Chud had them all gung ho about the new O n D

I just hope its not a total reboot cause we lost the players then it will be a couple of seasons bringing in the new talent. So year three we will be in the position To build if that is the case.

But I'm done buying into the company line....I've done it year after year. Yeah that's the ticket look Chud was a loser so its good we cut that cancer out now...You really believe that??? And if you don't you it must be because I'm a buddy of Chuds...of course I took that as an insult...read into your post??? How possibly is it not an insult even if you meant it for real? It was insulting cause none of my opinions could possibly have merit as it must be cause I met Chud and became friends why else would I be so UPSET??? Come on Ballpeen.

Mostly I'm upset cause I Believed them....I believed finally we were going to get continuity and stability...

Instead we got the LEAST of that EVER in all our 15 years of existence! That is what upsets me the most. Well no more, These guys are mud to me until they prove otherwise. No benefit of the doubt....I am towing their concept now of - HEY THEY THE FO/OWNER SUCKS CAUSE THEY GAVE US 4-12!!!!

JMHO

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I agree. We had a nice staff this year, but not so much better than previous years, and not so much better than the staff that will be assembled over the next month or two.

The biggest thing this staff had going for it was name recognition... Everybody knew Chud because he had been here before and the whole local boy story... Norv led an ubertalented Cowboys offense to great success then had some succes in San Diego with a pretty talented team... and Ray Horton had a nice resume and had been in line for a HC job for a couple years without landing anything... There is nothing in any of their resumes that screams I'm the next Dick Lebeau or the next Bill Walsh.. but people had heard of them...

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The biggest thing this staff had going for it was name recognition... Everybody knew Chud because he had been here before and the whole local boy story... Norv led an ubertalented Cowboys offense to great success then had some succes in San Diego with a pretty talented team... and Ray Horton had a nice resume and had been in line for a HC job for a couple years without landing anything... There is nothing in any of their resumes that screams I'm the next Dick Lebeau or the next Bill Walsh.. but people had heard of them...

Funny because everyone had such an opposite take going into this season.

I'd say if you used that same rational when dissecting this FO, you'd find the coaching staff has a much stronger resume' than the group that fired them.

jc

Hue Jackson, Jim Caldwell merit attention over Josh McDaniels

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On the first day of 2014, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers took a page out of the 2013 Kansas City Chiefs' Quick-Fix Playbook, choosing Lovie Smith as the next coach of their talented but underachieving team.

Just as the Chiefs did one year ago in hiring Andy Reid, who subsequently followed up their league-worst 2-14 season in 2012 with an 11-5 playoff campaign, the Bucs went out and got an experienced NFL coach with a strong, Super Bowl-enhanced résumé. Smith, fired by the Chicago Bears after a 10-6 season in 2012, is a true pro who gives Tampa Bay the best chance to reverse the damage of the two-year Greg Schiano nightmare.

When I said Monday that the 2014 Bucs have a great opportunity to be the 2013 Chiefs, I was banking on the Glazer family making such a move. While I'm always in favor of a team finding a future star when filling a coaching opening -- a Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin or John Harbaugh -- there are times when hiring a so-called retread is understandable, perhaps even preferable.

One such retread, Bill Belichick, has been a revelation the second time around, leading the New England Patriots to five Super Bowls and collecting three rings. Others have enjoyed success in their second (or third) head-coaching gig, and I would expect Smith to join that group. Given the Chiefs' nine-victory improvement this season, I can see why men with prior NFL head-coaching experience are in demand.

Not all retreads, however, are created equal. And when I read reports that former Denver Broncos coach Josh McDaniels might be the leading candidate to fill the Cleveland Browns' opening, I feel like someone has just taken a tire iron to my skull.

McDaniels? Really? This is the guy who, at 32, was hired as the Denver Broncos' coach and given de facto control over all football-related decisions, and proceeded to embark upon a reign of error that can only be described as a fiasco.

First, McDaniels clashed with Jay Cutler, trading his franchise quarterback and beginning a feud with Brandon Marshall that ultimately led to the star receiver's departure. After winning his first six games, McDaniels lost 17 of his next 22, making a string of dubious personnel decisions along the way. He was fired with four games remaining in his second season, in the wake of a cheating scandal that underscored his abrasive and alienating interpersonal style.

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The following season McDaniels landed in St. Louis, where he managed to make 2010 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year Sam Bradford regress mightily while coordinating the league's second-worst attack. Fired by the Rams, he immediately got his old job back in New England, where as offensive coordinator he had the luxury of working under one of the league's most brilliant strategists (Belichick) and calling plays for one of its all-time greatest quarterbacks (Tom Brady). Hey, it's nice work if you can get it. Predictably, the Patriots have been highly prolific during McDaniels' second stint, just as they were during his first stint, and in the years between. (The guy who coordinated the Pats' offense while McDaniels was in Denver and St. Louis, Bill O'Brien, parlayed that sweet gig into the Penn State coaching job and, on Tuesday, a deal to become the head coach of the Houston Texans.)

So if the Browns decide McDaniels is the man to bring stability and continuity to their long-suffering organization, pardon me if I don't drink the Kool-Aid the way so many other football fans and media members seem to when it comes to such matters.

I could spend some time talking about how coaches from the Belichick tree (Eric Mangini, McDaniels, Romeo Crennel) have failed after taking over NFL teams, and why I think autocrats who lack people skills and have yet to establish a legitimate aura of authority (the way Belichick and his mentor, Bill Parcells, already have) are perpetually set up for failure.

Instead, I'll simply say this: If we're going to extend second chances to previously fired NFL head coaches, there are a whole lot of others I'd put above McDaniels on the list. Some of those men, like ex-Arizona Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt, likely will draw some interest from the teams still searching for coaches. Now the Chargers' offensive coordinator, Whisenhunt, who took the Cardinals to the brink of a Super Bowl championship five years ago, can't be interviewed at least until after San Diego's first-round playoff game against the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday.

As for the others -- well, I just hope the second-chance spirit extends to minorities such as Jim Caldwell and Hue Jackson, two qualified candidates whose names are often scoffed at by outsiders but who, like Smith, could do wonders for a team in search of stability.

Caldwell, who coached the Indianapolis Colts to a Super Bowl appearance four years ago and earned a ring with the Baltimore Ravens last February (after helping to pump life into the team's stagnant attack as a late-season replacement for offensive coordinator Cam Cameron), reportedly is drawing interest from the Washington Redskins and Detroit Lions. I sincerely hope that Caldwell is not being courted simply as a means of satisfying the Rooney Rule, but will receive serious consideration for these jobs. The arguments I hear from outsiders questioning his credentials -- that his success in Indy was merely the product of Peyton Manning's brilliance, that the Colts' subsequent collapse (2-14 in 2011) with Manning shelved all season by a neck injury exposed his inadequacies, that his low-key personality isn't conducive to running a team -- are superficial and silly.

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If Brady's praise of McDaniels as a great offensive coach can boost his credibility, shouldn't Manning's strong endorsement of Caldwell, his quarterbacks coach in Indy from 2002-08 and head coach from 2009-11, carry similar weight?

Then there is Jackson, who went 8-8 in 2011, his lone season as the Oakland Raiders' coach, before getting fired by owner Mark Davis. In retrospect, Jackson's performance in taking the Raiders to the brink of their first AFC West title (and playoff berth) since 2002 -- despite challenges such as owner Al Davis' death and season-ending injuries to quarterback Jason Campbell and running back Darren McFadden -- looks downright brilliant. His replacement, Dennis Allen, has won eight games in two seasons, losing 24, and reportedly will meet with Mark Davis on Monday to determine whether he returns for a third campaign.

Yet Jackson, the Bengals' running backs coach and special assistant to head coach Marvin Lewis, is routinely lampooned as a possible coaching candidate by fans and media members, as if his prowess as an offensive strategist was not well-documented, or his perceived coaching missteps were anywhere approaching those of McDaniels or Jackson's predecessor in Oakland, Tom Cable (whose name still gets thrown out liberally). Cable did manage to finish 8-8 in his final season -- after Jackson, brought in by Al Davis and given full control of the offense, took the Raiders from 31st to 10th in the league rankings and more than doubled their point total from the previous year.

When Davis fired Cable, the owner cited the embarrassment the coach had caused the franchise via his "accidental" breaking of ex-Oakland assistant Randy Hanson's jaw and subsequent allegations of domestic abuse. Now compare those blights on Cable's record to the oft-cited complaints about Jackson, and tell me which man is more worthy of a second look.

First, though Jackson is routinely blamed for the Raiders' much-maligned trade for quarterback Carson Palmer, I've argued that the move wasn't nearly as ruinous as is commonly perceived, and that even if it were, it would merely reflect Jackson's shortcomings as a general manager candidate, not as a head coach.

Secondly, Jackson came off as brash and power-hungry in several press conferences late in the 2011 season, something he has since said he regretted, but hardly a cataclysmic act. Compared to, say, Rex Ryan at his boldest, Jackson's words were relatively tame. The man was frustrated in the midst of a late-season slump that would surprisingly cost him his job; hey, at least we know he cared.

If Jackson's supposed failings are somehow perceived by NFL owners and general managers as more significant than those displayed by McDaniels in Denver, I can't help but wonder if race is playing a role. When I write and speak about the challenges faced by minority coaching candidates -- and this is an issue I've been harping upon for a long, long time -- I'm not trying to launch some bleeding-hearted social crusade in the name of affirmative action. Rather, I'm expressing an undercurrent of frustration rampant in NFL circles among African-American coaches and, yes, many of their white counterparts, a sense that while progress obviously has been made, a different set of rules tend to apply to otherwise comparable candidates.

That the Bucs seemingly regarded Smith the way the Chiefs viewed Reid a year ago is a highly promising sign. In the coming weeks, if Caldwell and Jackson can get at least a level playing field when being judged against checkered candidates like McDaniels, we can hail that as further progress, not to mention a win for rational thought.

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I agree. We had a nice staff this year, but not so much better than previous years, and not so much better than the staff that will be assembled over the next month or two.

The biggest thing this staff had going for it was name recognition... Everybody knew Chud because he had been here before and the whole local boy story... Norv led an ubertalented Cowboys offense to great success then had some succes in San Diego with a pretty talented team... and Ray Horton had a nice resume and had been in line for a HC job for a couple years without landing anything... There is nothing in any of their resumes that screams I'm the next Dick Lebeau or the next Bill Walsh.. but people had heard of them...

I agree on Horton ... but U know very little of Turner if u don't think VERY VERY HIGHLY OF HIM .... theres a lot more to him than just Dallas and SD ..... every place hes ever been as an OC or HC there has been very productive Offenses almost every year ....

he is as a matter of fact one of the GREAT OFFENSIVE MINDS of the last 20 years .... not quite where Walsh is but only ONE RUNG BELOW .... and seeing as how Walsh sits on his own rung .... that's a pretty lofty rung Norv sits on ...

Norv has been doing this WAY BETTER THAN MOST FOR A VERY VERY LONG TIME ....

Y-TOWN .... I was reffering to the HC;s and coordinators ... not the entire staff ... cause the philosophies of the head 3 are what the assistants coach too ...

I forgot about Ryan .. he is a very good coach IMO ...

I was only trying to show what a GREAT STAFF (top 3) these guys hired compared to what we've had in here in the past ..

ALL 3 OF THESE GUYS WILL GET GOBBLED UP IF THEY SO CHOOSE .... the other staffs had one decent coach amongst all 3 of the slots ....

like tabber ... NEVER BEEN THIS UPSET .... and we've done plenty to get upset about .. *L ...

these guys are sleezeballs ... and u know what I just realized ... one of the reasons I'm so bitter right now is cause these guys gave me hope again by HIRING THIS STAFF ... I certainly wasn't giddy over the banner hire and I was downright pissed when we hired Lombardi ....

but then (and I said it back then and now it appears to be true) .... they BACKED INTO CHUD and he hired GREAT ASSISTANTS ..... that got my hope up .....

and then BAMMMMMM ..... out of left field they chop the BRAIN OUT OF THE HEAD ....

TABBER - .... please quit BRINGING UP THE FACTS .... the details of how things actually went down don't jive with what the DA's are saying ..... so when guys like Peenie that want to defend them don't have a leg to stand on ..... so when u BRING UP THE FACTS AND DETAILS about the reasons that went into the firing they get a little defensive .... witch is really hard because trying to defend a position that is indefensible ...

Good Luck with that one bro ....

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I agree. We had a nice staff this year, but not so much better than previous years, and not so much better than the staff that will be assembled over the next month or two.

The biggest thing this staff had going for it was name recognition... Everybody knew Chud because he had been here before and the whole local boy story... Norv led an ubertalented Cowboys offense to great success then had some succes in San Diego with a pretty talented team... and Ray Horton had a nice resume and had been in line for a HC job for a couple years without landing anything... There is nothing in any of their resumes that screams I'm the next Dick Lebeau or the next Bill Walsh.. but people had heard of them...

I agree on Horton ... but U know very little of Turner if u don't think VERY VERY HIGHLY OF HIM .... theres a lot more to him than just Dallas and SD ..... every place hes ever been as an OC or HC there has been very productive Offenses almost every year ....

he is as a matter of fact one of the GREAT OFFENSIVE MINDS of the last 20 years .... not quite where Walsh is but only ONE RUNG BELOW .... and seeing as how Walsh sits on his own rung .... that's a pretty lofty rung Norv sits on ...

Norv has been doing this WAY BETTER THAN MOST FOR A VERY VERY LONG TIME ....

Y-TOWN .... I was reffering to the HC;s and coordinators ... not the entire staff ... cause the philosophies of the head 3 are what the assistants coach too ...

I forgot about Ryan .. he is a very good coach IMO ...

I was only trying to show what a GREAT STAFF (top 3) these guys hired compared to what we've had in here in the past ..

ALL 3 OF THESE GUYS WILL GET GOBBLED UP IF THEY SO CHOOSE .... the other staffs had one decent coach amongst all 3 of the slots ....

like tabber ... NEVER BEEN THIS UPSET .... and we've done plenty to get upset about .. *L ...

these guys are sleezeballs ... and u know what I just realized ... one of the reasons I'm so bitter right now is cause these guys gave me hope again by HIRING THIS STAFF ... I certainly wasn't giddy over the banner hire and I was downright pissed when we hired Lombardi ....

but then (and I said it back then and now it appears to be true) .... they BACKED INTO CHUD and he hired GREAT ASSISTANTS ..... that got my hope up .....

and then BAMMMMMM ..... out of left field they chop the BRAIN OUT OF THE HEAD ....

TABBER - .... please quit BRINGING UP THE FACTS .... the details of how things actually went down don't jive with what the DA's are saying ..... so when guys like Peenie that want to defend them don't have a leg to stand on ..... so when u BRING UP THE FACTS AND DETAILS about the reasons that went into the firing they get a little defensive .... witch is really hard because trying to defend a position that is indefensible ...

Good Luck with that one bro ....

Diam, honestly, if they fired Chud, they should've just given the job to Horton or Norv, IMO.

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I agree. We had a nice staff this year, but not so much better than previous years, and not so much better than the staff that will be assembled over the next month or two.

The biggest thing this staff had going for it was name recognition... Everybody knew Chud because he had been here before and the whole local boy story... Norv led an ubertalented Cowboys offense to great success then had some succes in San Diego with a pretty talented team... and Ray Horton had a nice resume and had been in line for a HC job for a couple years without landing anything... There is nothing in any of their resumes that screams I'm the next Dick Lebeau or the next Bill Walsh.. but people had heard of them...

I agree on Horton ... but U know very little of Turner if u don't think VERY VERY HIGHLY OF HIM .... theres a lot more to him than just Dallas and SD ..... every place hes ever been as an OC or HC there has been very productive Offenses almost every year ....

he is as a matter of fact one of the GREAT OFFENSIVE MINDS of the last 20 years .... not quite where Walsh is but only ONE RUNG BELOW .... and seeing as how Walsh sits on his own rung .... that's a pretty lofty rung Norv sits on ...

Norv has been doing this WAY BETTER THAN MOST FOR A VERY VERY LONG TIME ....

Y-TOWN .... I was reffering to the HC;s and coordinators ... not the entire staff ... cause the philosophies of the head 3 are what the assistants coach too ...

I forgot about Ryan .. he is a very good coach IMO ...

I was only trying to show what a GREAT STAFF (top 3) these guys hired compared to what we've had in here in the past ..

ALL 3 OF THESE GUYS WILL GET GOBBLED UP IF THEY SO CHOOSE .... the other staffs had one decent coach amongst all 3 of the slots ....

like tabber ... NEVER BEEN THIS UPSET .... and we've done plenty to get upset about .. *L ...

these guys are sleezeballs ... and u know what I just realized ... one of the reasons I'm so bitter right now is cause these guys gave me hope again by HIRING THIS STAFF ... I certainly wasn't giddy over the banner hire and I was downright pissed when we hired Lombardi ....

but then (and I said it back then and now it appears to be true) .... they BACKED INTO CHUD and he hired GREAT ASSISTANTS ..... that got my hope up .....

and then BAMMMMMM ..... out of left field they chop the BRAIN OUT OF THE HEAD ....

TABBER - .... please quit BRINGING UP THE FACTS .... the details of how things actually went down don't jive with what the DA's are saying ..... so when guys like Peenie that want to defend them don't have a leg to stand on ..... so when u BRING UP THE FACTS AND DETAILS about the reasons that went into the firing they get a little defensive .... witch is really hard because trying to defend a position that is indefensible ...

Good Luck with that one bro ....

Diam, honestly, if they fired Chud, they should've just given the job to Horton or Norv, IMO.

Give the job to Norv, draft Bortles. Way better than McDaniels and Manziel IMO.

*LOL* ... norv is so pi$$ed at these guys ... NO WAY HE'D WORK FOR THE DA's ... NO WAY ....

and I LOVE Norv as OC ... but hes FAILED TWICE AS A HC ... sorry .... not again ... at least not here ... his skill set doesn't translate well to the HC ...

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theres a lot more to him than just Dallas and SD ..... every place hes ever been as an OC or HC there has been very productive Offenses almost every year ....

I have nothing against Norv.... but like a lot of coaches, his stats rise and fall with his talent, just like every other coach...

His first 3 years in Dallas he had what amounts to the Alabama equivalent in the NFL.. his offense was top 5 every year..

He goes to Washington for 7 years and his offense is top 10 twice...

Then to Miami.. in the teens and low 20s...

San Diego the first time as OC... teens...

Oakland teens and low 20s...

Back to San Diego with good talent and he's back in the top 10...

Then to Cleveland where he's back in the 20s...

I'm not suggesting that a coach should be able to be top 10 with no talent.. but his two great stints are Dallas and San Diego when he had very good offensive talent... Maybe just having some of those other teams in the middle was a tremendous accomplishment, I don't know for sure... but, not unlike all other coaches, when Norv doesn't have a good QB, his offenses are average at best...

Keep in mind, I liked the staff.. though the reasons given, the decline (total collapse) down the stretch was troubling... I fully expected this staff to get at least one more year and wish they would have...

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*LOL* ... norv is so pi$$ed at these guys ... NO WAY HE'D WORK FOR THE DA's ... NO WAY ....

and I LOVE Norv as OC ... but hes FAILED TWICE AS A HC ... sorry .... not again ... at least not here ... his skill set doesn't translate well to the HC ...

I was more saying I'd rather have him and Bortles than McDaniels and Manziel which is the general consensus belief that the Browns are leaning towards.

I wasn't saying Norv is the best out there, might be the best that we can get though and that's just because any HC worth a damn isn't coming here.

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*LOL* ... norv is so pi$$ed at these guys ... NO WAY HE'D WORK FOR THE DA's ... NO WAY ....

and I LOVE Norv as OC ... but hes FAILED TWICE AS A HC ... sorry .... not again ... at least not here ... his skill set doesn't translate well to the HC ...

I was more saying I'd rather have him and Bortles than McDaniels and Manziel which is the general consensus belief that the Browns are leaning towards.

I wasn't saying Norv is the best out there, might be the best that we can get though and that's just because any HC worth a damn isn't coming here.

I'm against hiring Norv, but you make a pretty decent case.

Forget what us fans think about McDaniels, the media will be counting down the days until he's fired... This guy's grave has already been dug and we don't even know if he's going to be the coach. It's only speculation at this point....

I hope it all works out, I hope I'm dead wrong about McDaniels... I hope we find our QB and win 10 games and make the playoffs....

But I'm telling you right now, if this doesn't work out, there is going to be a poop storm of epic proportions.. Because everyone, at this moment, thinks it's going to happen if he's hired.

Would not be a fan of the hire, but will be behind him because I'm a Browns fan and I have no other choice, and I will never be that guy that roots against him just so I can hop on here and tell you guys how I was right. I don't care about that I just want to win games.

I also hate how the media seems to bask in the process of firing coaches... Reporters can't wait to break that news, talk shows can't wait to do 5 hour shows on it... I live for the day where we don't have that anymore because we have a good team.

I don't think the media was as bad with Chud, because of the shock value, but some of these other firings they couldn't wait to write them up... They see web page hits and dollar signs, I see new faces, lots of changes, and many, many growing pains and talks of 3 years from now....

The AC is based on talent. To paraphrase Bill Walsh, "You run the AC when you have talent. You run the WCO when you don't."

The AC will thrive when we get the talent here like it did w/ Dallas and San Diego and burns where you don't have talent.

The Banner/Lombard group want a yes man as their HC. A guy who will take the players they give him and coach them.

I don't know if McDaneils is that guy. But he might be.

And if he comes here. I'm going to assune Mallet will also. And depending on the price. I may be ok with that.

Getting Mallet here and still having two first round picks would be nice.

I woould not give Indys first for Mallet. Maybe swap with NE. But not for him.

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Give the job to Norv, draft Bortles. Way better than McDaniels and Manziel IMO.

After his comments? I think Turner burned any bridges he might have had. As far as I know, Ray Horton hadn't said anything regarding Chudzinski's firing.

Good to see you old friend

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The Banner/Lombard group want a yes man as their HC. A guy who will take the players they give him and coach them.

Isn't that their job anyway?

What I mean to say is, isn't that how it's supposed to run? The Front Office is supposed to give the coach players to coach?

Not sure that means they want a yes man as their HC. Now if you wanted to say they want someone with little power, then I'd say that's true. But every team is looking for a "yes man" as head coach.

Don't use logic in a hate-fest. It ruins the agendas.

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Don't use logic in a hate-fest. It ruins the agendas.

It was about comments made about the FO trying to dictate who the coaching staff should play and cut.

You remember, the same things you hated the Walrus for.

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The Banner/Lombard group want a yes man as their HC. A guy who will take the players they give him and coach them.

Isn't that their job anyway?

What I mean to say is, isn't that how it's supposed to run? The Front Office is supposed to give the coach players to coach?

Not sure that means they want a yes man as their HC. Now if you wanted to say they want someone with little power, then I'd say that's true. But every team is looking for a "yes man" as head coach.

No. They want to move as a unit in an agreed path, however that doesn't mean the HC should/need to say "Yes." to everything the FO said. I'm sure many organizations work like that, but those organizations end up in the bottom half of the league.

The issue began when the NFL put Banner and Hasslehoff together, and then the Chamelon Lombardo was brought on..I didn't like the way his name surfaced and where I was at, it was told where's there smoke there's fire.

So now reboot # 2. Whover it is and signs once more point to McDaniels, it's another birds of a feather flock together thing..
If they mess this up Hasslehoff needs to get rid of them.
There are some that questioned this stuff because they are close to the team and don't like whats happened even though they know both sides of the story. The apparent set up to fail is very evident so the PR hit they've got is earned.

Even these three kids have a pretty good idea for who to get to coach the Browns.

Im just glad we have fans younger than 20

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Is mallet a hot head or something?

I know very little of him.

Mallet was similar to D. Anderson in his college career. He would stand there at 6 5' with a rifle and make an incredible throw downfield. The next play, he would have a receiver wide open and overthrow him by 5 feet and get intercepted. He tended to throw many interceptions in big games, usually at very important times. In most big games he lost composure by the 3rd period. I also didn't see him as being highly intelligent.

On the QB thread one of the guys linked up to the Sugar Bowl against Ohio State. The game ended with Arkansas driving for the winning touchdown, and... Mallet throws the bowl right to a Buckeye. If we could find the Alabama game that year he did the same thing, but not on the final drive.

Like I've said before:
Maybe he's changed.
Maybe Lombardi's changed.
Maybe Banner's changed.
Maybe McDaniels has changed.
Maybe I'll get a new job as an underwear model.

Hmm ... interesting.

I like Stoops, a lot. If we go college coach, we could definitely do worse than Stoops. He definitely gets the best out of his players.

Oklahoma's Bob Stoops, the Youngstown native, might have inside track for Cleveland Browns' job, report says | cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/01/oklahomas_bob_stoops_the_young.html#incart_m-rpt-2

CLEVELAND -- While Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops, the Youngstown native, was in the midst of battling Alabama in the Sugar Bowl Thursday night, a report surfaced that he may have the inside track on the Browns head coaching vacancy.

Rams sideline reporter and St. Louis' 101 ESPN NFL Insider Tony Softli tweeted that Stoops, who guided the Sooners to a 159-39 mark and 7-7 in bowl games before Thursday night, might have the fast track to become the Browns' seventh-fulltime coach in the new era.

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported earlier this week that Stoops might be interested in leaving OU for the NFL.

A source also told cleveland.com that the Browns, who went hard after Chip Kelly last year, are considering some college coaches.

Stoops, 53, has strong ties to the Cleveland area, and comes from a tight-knit football family. His father, Ron, was a coach at Stoops' alma mater, Youngstown Cardinal Mooney. His brother Mike is his defensive coordinator at Oklahoma, and his brother Mark is head coach at Kentucky. His older brother, Ron Jr., is an assistant at Youngstown State.

One of the most respected college coaches in the business, Stoops has guided the Sooners to a bowl game in each of his 15 seasons there. Sixty-five of Stoops' OU players have been drafted, including 13 first-rounders.

The Browns are also reportedly interested in Auburn coach Gus Malzahn and Vanderbilt coach James Franklin, according to Jason LaCanfora of CBS Sports.

The Browns' first wave of interviews this week includes Seattle defensive coordinator Dan Quinn, Cardinals defensive coordinator Todd Bowles and Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. They're not permitted to offer jobs to coaches in the playoffs, which means they could have to wait until after the Super Bowl Feb. 2, to hire their man.

In the meantime, they're expected to turn their attention to the college ranks, and an interview with Stoops would make plenty of sense.

This would definitely be a good idea. I would be happy if we got someone like Stoops and this report was even a tad bit true. And if his interview goes well there is no waiting period for hiring him like the NFL coaches still involved in the playoffs. Haslem better have a lot of input in this and not just let Lombo blind everyone with his apparent JM love.

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I guess that sounds better than the seventh fulltime coach in 14 years.

Well, we only had two coaches that served more than 3 years.

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I guess that sounds better than the seventh fulltime coach in 14 years.

Well, we only had two coaches that served more than 3 years.

The others were paroled early for good behavior.

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... the Browns' seventh-fulltime coach in the new era.

I guess that sounds better than the seventh fulltime coach in 14 years.

Well, we only had two coaches that served more than 3 years.

The others were paroled early for good behavior.

They were paroled for bad performance.

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Of all the names bandied around by the media so far, my number one choice would be Bowles. He did a nice job as interim HC of the Dolphins.

THe wildcard for me is Gus Malzan. I don't know enough about him to offer an intelligent opinion (when has that stopped anybody?).

Other than that, I am less than enthused with the potential HC candidates.

Now this one I can get behind. If we get Stoops, I'm excited for the Browns again.

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Now this one I can get behind. If we get Stoops, I'm excited for the Browns again.

Definitely interesting.

Texas and OU with new coaches would also be fun to watch.

I just came here to post that Stoops article. Man, talking about NOT getting your hopes up. They're basing it on practically NOTHING. The subject line of my latest Bleacher Report e-mail goes so far as to say, "OU's Stoops Eyeing Browns?" C'mon. . .

At this point, I really can't get excited about ANYONE. I literally have to see results on the field. I don't care who it is. Dr.Frankenstein could stitch together some crazy amalgam of all the so-called greatest candidates & I'd say, "SHOW ME."

I'm kind of half listening to 92.3 online today trying to get more info on the Stoops rumors and they said that he neither denied nor confirmed it after he was asked. His own words "that is something that is always personal and no-one ever knows". It was on the Dan Patrick Show. He also said that he was happy now but you never know down the road. He definitely went out of his way to keep it open ended. Who knows, maybe that was just lip service to get an even newer contract from OU. However, this report from earlier in the week discussing that Stoops could make the jump, don't know how I missed this one. Link.

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At this point, I really can't get excited about ANYONE. I literally have to see results on the field. I don't care who it is. Dr.Frankenstein could stitch together some crazy amalgam of all the so-called greatest candidates & I'd say, "SHOW ME."

I believe I'm in the same "SHOW ME" in regards to this FO landing a HC that will succeed.

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Now this one I can get behind. If we get Stoops, I'm excited for the Browns again.

I think that would be a solid hire... I don't like that he doesn't have NFL experience, but I think Chip Kelly has proved that maybe you don't need it...

I like that he's been in one place for more than 10 years, but is still a young guy. The Oklahoma job is a big job, but I'm sure he's had his opportunities over the years.

He'd be worth looking into. Defensive minded guy who always seems to have teams that can score....

There was a good article floating around the internet the last few days about how this new rules in the NFL are actually making it easier for college coaches to make the jump, versus maybe 10 years ago when they were failing at it...

Let me clear the smokescreen for you. Josh McDaniels will be announced as HC shortly after he is interviewed on Saturday. (That is assuming the black coach they are bringing in to satisfy the Rooney Rule keeps his appointment).

Read this article by Michael Lombardi published: Dec. 7, 2010

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81...tment-to-change

What happened to Josh McDaniels on Monday, being fired not even two full years into his tenure with the Denver Broncos, was, as Yogi Berra once said, "Déjà vu all over again." At least it was for me.

I saw this before, back in 1996, when I was director of player personnel for the Browns and owner Art Modell fired Bill Belichick over the phone on Valentine's Day. Modell struggled with the fans' reluctance to embrace their young coach from his first day on the job. Modell struggled with the losing season as the team planned to move from Cleveland to Baltimore. More than anything, he struggled with staying with the plan. Modell failed to see the future, as he wanted to make the fans happy and never felt there was more than a ripple of hope staying the course with his youthful coach.

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Josh McDaniels started 6-0 as the Broncos' coach, but things quickly fell apart over the next 22 games.
Broncos under Josh McDaniels
1st 6 Gms Last 22 Gms
W-L 6-0 5-17
Home W-L 3-0 3-8
PPG 22.2 20.4
Opp. PPG 11.0 26.9
Having worked side by side with Belichick for five years, I honestly knew one day he was going to eventually win a Super Bowl, in part because he was super smart and had a willingness to adapt. He was always divergent in his thought process. He was, and still is, the best listener I have ever been around.

With Belichick, there was never an ego in the room. He only focused on what was urgent and important each day. He had core principles and beliefs he adhered to, never wavering off those beliefs. But in Cleveland, he could not overcome the changes he insisted on making, which alienated the fan base and caused concern for Modell. And when the 1995 season slipped away from us, we all knew we were in trouble.

In any sport, losing is extremely difficult -- it's hard on the mind, body and spirit. It challenges every prior belief an organization holds true, forcing constant evaluations of the path, the direction and the journey chosen for the organization. It is human nature to second-guess every move on a losing path. Few, in most sports, are willing to brave the losing, the criticism of the media, or the wrath of their fans. Believing in principles and having the courage to stand alone is a rarer quality than bravery in battle or superior intelligence. Yet it is the one essential for teams that desire to win Super Bowls.

When Belichick was hired in Cleveland, Modell had no idea what he had, or what Belichick could eventually become. He never thought in three dimensions, or hired with a plan; he just hoped for success, in large part because Modell based every decision on what the media and the fans thought. Modell had a wonderful heart. He wanted to make his fan base happy, therefore hiring Belichick after winning a Super Bowl with the New York Giants was great, and firing him after the fans revolted was also great -- never mind he just extended his contract.

Belichick's success in New England was due to his experience in Cleveland -- that Modell financed and Patriots owner Robert Kraft now enjoys. Any time a team hires a young coach or a young executive, one must think in a three-dimensional way. Does he have the aptitude to be a successful leader? Does he have the willingness to grow? Do we have the strength to handle the turbulent times?

Modell paid for Belichick's education as a head coach, an education that has to be lived, not learned. There are no schools to attend to be a successful coach in the NFL. And just because an assistant works for a successful coach does not ensure success when it comes time for a promotion to the head coach's chair.

When the Broncos hired McDaniels and turned over all the power to him, they had to understand there would likely be tough times. But did they?

As an outsider looking in, when the Broncos hired McDaniels, I thought they were willing to change the direction of their organization. Having spent a brief time volunteering my services as a consultant to Mike Shanahan, I saw firsthand Denver's ridiculous spending on players, the failure to have a personnel department, and the constant approach to repair as opposed to rebuild. Therefore, when the Broncos fired Shanahan following the 2008 season and decided to change the course, eliminating the free-spending of the past, the move signaled to me that they wanted to try the Patriot Way, which centers on building a total team through the draft, cut spending in free agency and develop coaches and players from within.

Timing allows Broncos to move on
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Initially, it made sense to me, as most owners tend to hire the opposite of what they just fired. Firing McDaniels 28 games into his tenure as the head coach is bad for both parties. It wasn't enough time for the team to be fully developed, or enough time for McDaniels to grow into the job.

And therein lies the problem -- the Broncos wanted to change, but were not committed to change. Once they slipped into a different world, they longed to be back to their old ways of doing things. They really love the Bronco Way.

Never mind they have only won one playoff game in the last 12 years. Never mind they lack talent on the field, or are going to be paying three head coaches as a result of McDaniels' firing. Never mind they might have to take two steps back to move forward. Clearly, this move means the Broncos long for their old days, and potentially bringing John Elway back into the organization signals how much they miss those days.

Why does it seem that most of Belichick's assistants never attain a high level of success when becoming a head coach? It might appear that way on the surface, however the coaches involved with Belichick in Cleveland have done well -- from Pat Hill at Fresno State to Kirk Ferentz at Iowa to Nick Saban at Alabama.

And the ones who have only been in New England -- Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel and now McDaniels -- have missed the element of what went into developing the program in Cleveland, therefore they missed a huge step in the evolution. The failure rate among NFL coaches, regardless of their background is high. However when coaches leave an established program like the one in New England, not every owner is willing to embrace the time it takes to lay the foundation. Also, not all the new coaches carry Belichick's uncanny ability to evaluate talent, and also what his team needs to be successful.

Belichick's success lies in his ability to coach, but also in his ability to be the general manager. He can wear two hats, and not every coach that leaves the Patriots can do the same.

Broncos chief operating officer Joe Ellis said Tuesday that the team was at fault for giving McDaniels too much power too soon.

While that might be true, I believe McDaniels will one day be a successful head coach. I believe this because I know what it takes to be successful in the league. I've never worked with Josh, nor have I spent much time around him. But I have observed him each week, from his game plans to his teams' performance on the field. His teams might not have been the most talented, but they were well-coached, well-designed and well-prepared.

McDaniels will learn from his tenure in Denver, just as Belichick learned from his time in Cleveland, and some other owner willing to change will benefit greatly.

Follow Michael Lombardi on Twitter @michaelombardi.

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I think that would be a solid hire... I don't like that he doesn't have NFL experience, but I think Chip Kelly has proved that maybe you don't need it...

Yes, I'd say if you give a guy a QB with the highest QBR rating in the NFL and McCoy at RB, they can win.

You can't give anyone an empty gun and expect them to land a trophy buck.

While a HC is an important piece of the puzzle, you can't turn things around without the talent to go with it. Nobody can say how Kelly would have done here.

Talent and coaching are joined at the hip when it boils down to "becoming a winner".

Stoops?

Does he know Quarterbacks? The kid last night looked like the best one he's ever had. If you can't recruit a real talented QB at Oklahoma, in 10 years, then I wonder if you know what you're looking for (Bradford being the one exception).

Some of his defenses have been very weak.

Seems like Bob peaked about 10 years ago and has been going through the motions.

Do you guys think that if he came in, and brought in his own people as assistants, that there will be an improvement over last year? With Chud, Norv, and Ray?

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I think that would be a solid hire... I don't like that he doesn't have NFL experience, but I think Chip Kelly has proved that maybe you don't need it...

Yes, I'd say if you give a guy a QB with the highest QBR rating in the NFL and McCoy at RB, they can win.

You can't give anyone an empty gun and expect them to land a trophy buck.

While a HC is an important piece of the puzzle, you can't turn things around without the talent to go with it. Nobody can say how Kelly would have done here.

Talent and coaching are joined at the hip when it boils down to "becoming a winner".

Foles does have the highest QBR, but that was under Kelly.

I do agree that Philly had a little more at skill positions than us, despite winning less games last year...

I do agree that our coach won't matter until we get a quarterback, I think we will keep having this 1-3 year stints where we keep firing guys until that position is solidified...

But looking ahead, I think Stoops would be a good candidate going forward. I don't buy that he's a serious candidate, but the guy can coach.

I mean everyone likes Mike Zimmer, but we know absolutely nothing about his head coaching skills, at least with Stoops we have a little bit to look at...

Truth be told we don't really know how any of these guys will work out.

"Do you guys think that if he came in, and brought in his own people as assistants,"

Let's see,the 3 Stoops boys,Bo Pellini,and maybe he could talk Shepas into leaving Waynesburg.
That would be a pipeline straight to God thru Cardinal Mooney.
Of coarse you would have to add Tebow,as a translator for the infidels.

I have heard a bunch of names associated with the Browns job, some from reported interviews set up to others who are just rumors...

So I thought I'd make a list...

Interviews reported to be set up:
Josh McDaniels - Pats OC
Dan Quinn - Seahawks DC
Ken Whisenhunt - Chargers OC
Todd Bowles - Cardinals DC
Adam Gase - Broncos OC

Rumors:
Gus Malzahn - Auburn HC
James Franklin - Vanderbilt HC
Bob Stoops - Oklahoma HC

Am I missing any? From that list, there are some good candidates.. of course the one I like the least is the one everybody expects to get the job...

I think that's accurate right now.

Wait, what happened,, I thought that JMcD was the "Chosen One"

Boy are we gonna get a lot of this kinda story in the coming weeks.

As for Stoops, better than most I've seen linked to the Browns lately. Actually, better than anyone I've seen linked to the Browns lately..LOL

Well, if you remember last year's GM search we were linked to Lombardi ... then other names popped up .... like Farmer and others ........ then we bounced back to Lombardi.

As far as the head coach search, we were all in on Kelly ..... till he did the unthinkable and pulled out of the Browns search. Then the Browns front office went back to square one, and "started over". They watched Buffalo hire Doug Marrone, who they were supposedly high on. They interviewed some other guys who this year are off the list. Why? Is it because they liked them only until they interviewed them, then lost interest? Maybe ... but I doubt it. Was it because those candidates expressed .... shall we say, reservations, over the way the Browns were structuring their front office and team, and the way decisions were going to be made? Perhaps those candidates wanted more power and authority than the Browns were willing to offer? Maybe some wanted to be the final word, as opposed to leaving that "tiebreaker" vote to Banner? Maybe some even turned the Browns down, not feeling comfortable with the way the Browns outlined the job to prospective head coaches?

The general consensus is that Bill O'Brien was the top "young" coaching candidate available this year. We talked to O'Brien last year, and he didn't want to leave Penn State. Should that have disqualified him for this year?

I really think that the Browns got push back on the way they wanted to do things from some candidates. Some may have expressed reservations over the way the Browns have set their team up. Maybe some wanted to "shop for the groceries". Who knows? However, to flat out disregard everyone they talked to last year is curious, at best.

Anyway, so now we are back to square one, starting over once more.

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I have heard a bunch of names associated with the Browns job, some from reported interviews set up to others who are just rumors...

So I thought I'd make a list...

Interviews reported to be set up:
Josh McDaniels - Pats OC
Dan Quinn - Seahawks DC
Ken Whisenhunt - Chargers OC
Todd Bowles - Cardinals DC
Adam Gase - Broncos OC

Rumors:
Gus Malzahn - Auburn HC
James Franklin - Vanderbilt HC
Bob Stoops - Oklahoma HC

Am I missing any? From that list, there are some good candidates.. of course the one I like the least is the one everybody expects to get the job...

I think Gase has deferred talking to anyone until after they're out of contention, and has not committed to interview with the Browns at all at this point. IMHO, he will be highly desirable and least likely to come here.

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I think Gase has deferred talking to anyone until after they're out of contention, and has not committed to interview with the Browns at all at this point. IMHO, he will be highly desirable and least likely to come here.

Or... could he be the guy and has accepted the job as the Browns HC.... This could be his way of saying.. " I have a job... so I don't want to deal with having to interview with other teams "

Hey ! Ya never know....

Oh I know Ytown. I get it. I wonder how many others do. I mean if you read some of these posts, you'd think that he's the guy and there is not even a chance that anyone else may be considered.

And, he may be. I understand that it's possible.

I don't know how he's banner first choice. I understand the connection between Belichick and Lombardi that could lead one to believe he's Lombardis first choice. But Banner?

And does Haslam even know the guy? well, I mean, he probably does now, but did he before the other day? Don't know.

Anyway, at this point, just about anything is possible and I know that.

Just havin fun with all the different reports.

I do think Stoops might be a good choice. But beyond that, I don't have a horse in the race.

Mary Kay Cabot is reporting that Jim Tressel will be interviewing for the HC job within a few days.

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Mary Kay Cabot is reporting that Jim Tressel will be interviewing for the HC job within a few days.

And after channel 19 also reported it on TV, the Browns just issued a statement stating is was totally false. A Browns' official called it "BS".

Sorry, folks.

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Mary Kay Cabot is reporting that Jim Tressel will be interviewing for the HC job within a few days.

And after channel 19 also reported it on TV, the Browns just issued a statement stating is was totally false. A Browns' official called it "BS".

Sorry, folks.

So that means its 50/50 he interviews then????

Browns Country reported a team's spokesmen said the report about Tressel is "Totally false".

It's on my Facebook wall.

On an unrelated topic - Vikings reported to interview Ray Horton on Tuesday:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ton-on-tuesday/

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Mary Kay Cabot is reporting that Jim Tressel will be interviewing for the HC job within a few days.

And after channel 19 also reported it on TV, the Browns just issued a statement stating is was totally false. A Browns' official called it "BS".

Sorry, folks.

Once again Cabot reports false information. I find it funny that the national guys are constantly reporting things before our beat writers even get whiff of a story.

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On an unrelated topic - Vikings reported to interview Ray Horton on Tuesday:

Why would anybody be interested in someone from this coaching staff?

Arch, the odds may be even better than 50/50......

I can't possibly fathom Tressel being on the Brown's wish list. Can you?

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Why would anybody be interested in someone from this coaching staff?

Rooney rule lol...

I found this article funny.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...t_river_default

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BEREA, Ohio – Browns owner Jimmy Haslam took a moment during Monday’s news conference to speak not from the heart, but the checkbook.

In defending his decision to fire coach Rob Chudzinski one season into a four-year contact, Haslam went bottom line on his audience.

“I’ll say one other thing: These are expensive moves,” the owner said. “We’re not only just saying it; we’re talking with our pocketbook. These are not cheap moves to make. I’m not saying that should be the guiding factor, but we are doing everything we can to get this right.”

In what has become an almost annual tradition, the Browns will pay a head coach not to work for them next season. In fact, they will pay two of them, as Pat Shurmur still had two years remaining on his deal when he was sacked at the end of the last season.

The Sopranos might have glamorized no-work jobs, but few retain more than the Browns. Compiling figures from various media reports, the franchise has been scheduled to pay six fired head coaches approximately $49 million not to show up in Berea.
Coach Yrs. after fired Sum owed
Chris Palmer 3 years $3 million
Butch Davis 3 years $12 million
Romeo Crennel 3 years Approx. $10 million
Eric Mangini 2 years $7.8 million
Pat Shurmur 2 years left About $5.6 million
Rob Chudzinski 3 years left $10.5 million
Source: Various media reports

Put another way, the sum could cover the city’s cost for FirstEnergy Stadium renovations -- $30 million over the next 15 years – with plenty left over for down payments on Browns' All-Pro free agents Alex Mack and T.J. Ward.

Most settlements are not made public, so some figures could vary. Often, however, they get leaked to the media. ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported Monday the Browns owed Chudzinski about $10.5 million over the next three years. Shurmur was due roughly $5.6 million at the time of his dismissal.

Since 2001, the Browns have gone through only one season (2008) without compensating a former head coach not to blow a whistle or design a game plan. By the end of 2016, they will have paid for 16 years of non-service from the pink-slipped six.

The most expensive buyout: Butch Davis, who Randy Lerner still owed $12 million at the time of his 2004 firing. The cheapest buyout: Chris Palmer, who the late Al Lerner owed $3 million over three years beginning in 2001. Remember, these figures don't include monies paid to coordinators and assistant coaches.

Since their 1999 return, the Browns have two winning seasons, one playoff appearance and no post-season victories to show for their investment.

Now, imagine the cost to season-ticket holders in this 15-year stretch. To paraphrase Haslam, they too are talking with their pocketbooks.

ouch. thats a lot of bread for coaches who don't even have to coach the entire time.

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Browns Country reported a team's spokesmen said the report about Tressel is "Totally false".

It's on my Facebook wall.

On an unrelated topic - Vikings reported to interview Ray Horton on Tuesday:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ton-on-tuesday/

Good for Ray Horton. It'll be fun to watch the Vikings suck year-after-year if they hire him.

This guy is a good coach...

He is a good football coach that has been successful everywhere hes been except this year...and this year you could even argue that he had a good year...His first year in a system having good numbers in all but 2 places...3rd down and red zone...yes those are big but...overall numbers mean alot too.

Horton will be a star in this league. You can mark that down.

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The most expensive buyout: Butch Davis, who Randy Lerner still owed $12 million at the time of his 2004 firing.

Butch Davis quit, he wasn't fired. We shouldn't have paid him squat after he left.

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This guy is a good coach...

He is a good football coach that has been successful everywhere hes been except this year...and this year you could even argue that he had a good year...His first year in a system having good numbers in all but 2 places...3rd down and red zone...yes those are big but...overall numbers mean alot too.

Horton will be a star in this league. You can mark that down.

How much can I mark you down for?

It just occurred to me that you might be wanting a discount. Okay, how much? 10% off? 20%? Christmas 2014 special purchase?

you can just write it on paper.

There is nothing that makes me think he wont do a good job. He's been successful everywhere.

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He's been successful everywhere except for Cleveland

Fixed it for ya.

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Isn't that their job anyway?

What I mean to say is, isn't that how it's supposed to run? The Front Office is supposed to give the coach players to coach?

Not sure that means they want a yes man as their HC. Now if you wanted to say they want someone with little power, then I'd say that's true. But every team is looking for a "yes man" as head coach.

Regardless of poster opinion on the power structure between HC and FO/GM. This was a DECISION by Banner/Haslam.

Here's, in his own words, what was promised by Banner:

"We think that the head coach is going to play even a bigger role in where we go from here," Banner said. "That will create a better situation for us to identify what role the GM, potentially director of player personnel, whichever it ends up being, exactly what qualities do we need in that person, so when we fit everybody together, we’ve got real strength in every area that we think we need to be strong in.”

In other words, the Browns are setting their sights high when it comes to the first head coach under the new regime and are willing to give as much power to that new coach as it takes to land him.

This isn't the first time that the Browns have done it this way. Under the old regime, the Browns hired Eric Mangini as coach before bringing in a general manager (which later became George Kokinis).

“This is a reasonable line of questioning," Banner said. "It is something we discussed a lot. It isn’t an obvious answer and not everybody does it the same way. We made the determination that the greater impact on our future was going to be the head coach, that we need to make sure we find two people that fit together well and complement each other well and that we wanted the skill set of the head coach to kind of drive what we’d be looking for in the position that we would hire after that."

Banner added, "Time will tell if that’s right and if we can find the right two people that are both high quality and fit together as well as we hope. This was maybe the first decision we made in terms of kind of moving forward here was, ‘What’s the right order? Are we doing them together, one first, one second?’ So it’s a totally valid line of questioning, but the decision we, in the end, made was to find the head coach first.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/69515/why-browns-are-hiring-a-coach-before-gm

Then, lol:

"Haslam repeatedly said he wants the Browns' sixth head coach since 1999 to be their last for years to come."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...e-coach-then-gm

I also remember them PROMISING to hire either a STRONG, big name HC or STRONG, experienced GM. They did neither. My suspicion back then was that Banner thought of himself to be that strong part. Yuck.

Other stuff I said about 12 months ago:

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With J&J I get this "outsmart", "double tlak" and "ego driven" feeling again and not "doing what they're saying".

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While I have a very bad feeling with Jimmy and Joe myself, I'll wait for their "moves" before I'll drop the hammer....but I'm sure they won't "disappoint" me.
This has ALL the ingredients for a power hungry mess waiting to happen...and the Cleveland Browns are the training ground for NFL "maybes" again. Heckert was the only proven guy at his job since our rebirth. Now we'Re back to: 1st time owner learning on the job and doing rookie mistakes, 1st time football guy (Banner) learning on the job/overestimating his "abilities" (yeah I know Joe, you hired Reid, you're smart, ok ok VERY smart) and most probably 1st time HC or failed former HC and puppet 1st time GM, ex-director of personell somewhere (think Kokinis)

They all can train on the job, we bring in new terminology on Offense and we start from scratch

We should file a form to the NFL to be re-named Cleveland Rebuilds, as we constantly tear down the house before we even build it. We're a league wide running gag

Thanks again Mr Lerner, you useless piece of crap couldn't even sell the team at the right time

Hehe, there were even McDaniels rumors a year ago, that was my reaction then and that hasn't changed a lot. If anything it's gotten more pessimistic:

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Banner = new Mangini "the I'm so smart GM version"

McDaniels = Mangini "the I'm so smart HC version"

Lombardi = new Kokinis

Haslam = new dumb owner getting fooled by double tongues

FYI for those interested in Zimmer ...

FOX Sports' Mike Garafolo reports the Vikings, Redskins, and Lions all have "interest" in Bengals DC Mike Zimmer.

Per Garafolo, Zimmer could interview for all three head-coaching vacancies as early as next week. The Vikings have been linked to both Bengals coordinators, also OC Jay Gruden, while Chargers OC Ken Whisenhunt is considered the tentative favorite to land the Detroit job. Zimmer has been waiting so long for a head-coaching gig that he may actually be willing to work for Dan Snyder in D.C. He'd whip that Redskins roster into shape, right quick.

I mentioned to Big Wilie in the Chud thread the Browns are going to let names float around so as to throw people off ,because there's one guy they want.
Now I believe as I read some things that two things exist that hadn't before.
I -Hasslehoff wants more candidates especially his southern boys, and
2-Lomdardo has contacts and knows how to contact Jimmy's favorites.

I heard Franklin's name come up this week and they have their bowl game in a few..

I cannot say Gase is the guy or not at this time but I did know there was/is a mystery guy they've been on the tail of.
I see some more rumors are starting to float, sooo I want to see what direction this goes.

FWIW, Grossi says Gase is the guy they want, not McDaniel. Either is a "meh" to me.

Yeah I saw that. But anyone wanting him will have to wait till the Broncs are done..wonder if the Browns are going to wait..

I had to look up Gase, because I wasn't all that familiar with him. I know that he's the Bronco's offensive coordinator, but that is about it.

He is 35 years old. He has been a coach with the Broncos since 2009. He started out as WR coach, then moved to QB coach, then to Offensive Coordinator this year. Yeah, 1 year of OC experience, just like Shurmur.

Prior to joining the Broncos, he was an offensive assistant with the Niners, and QB coach for the Lions in 2007. (along with a pair of unspecified offensive assistant positions) Prior to that, he was a defensive assistant at LSU, under Nick Saban.

He looks like a career assistant, but rarely the top level type guys.While I personally believe that a head coach needs leadership and ability to inspire others, along with an ability to set the agenda, and keep everyone on the same page more than technical skill, I worry when a guy has had only 1 year as a coordinator. Being a coordinator does not offer all of the skills necessary to be a head coach, but it does require organization, and the ability to handle a part of a staff.

It seems like we are going to look for the guy who can be a head coach for the next 15 years ...... when we really meed to be concerned more about the next 2 or 3.

JMHO.

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I had to look up Gase, because I wasn't all that familiar with him. I know that he's the Bronco's offensive coordinator, but that is about it.

I actually though Peyton Manning was the OC in Denver. Isn't it he who calls all of those audibles at the LOS?

It's hard to be a head coach at 28 ya know? He's 35...he should be an assistant all the way through unless he's Kliff Kingsbury.

a 35 year old becoming a head coach is about that time if youre really good at your job.

Also, Shurmur had 2 years OC experience...but yes I see the correlation. Cept Shurmur was OC in STL with a bad HC and Gase has been around great coaches his entire career.

I'd be okay with him...but idk...

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I had to look up Gase, because I wasn't all that familiar with him. I know that he's the Bronco's offensive coordinator, but that is about it.

I actually though Peyton Manning was the OC in Denver. Isn't it he who calls all of those audibles at the LOS?

One year as a coordinator with PM as the qb? Now there's a body of work you can hang your hat on.

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I had to look up Gase, because I wasn't all that familiar with him. I know that he's the Bronco's offensive coordinator, but that is about it.

I actually though Peyton Manning was the OC in Denver. Isn't it he who calls all of those audibles at the LOS?

I agree. I wouldn't base the Denver OC's success on his ability. He just happens to be the guy who has maybe the best QB ever at the helm of his O.

Think about what film study has to yield for him though...

That man has to have learned just a TON about both offense AND defense just talking with Manning.

Maybe Jimmy is hoping that he can parlay the combination of Gase as HC and his own Tennessee ties into a co-ordinator position for Peyton after he retires as a player. (I looked and no, Jimmy Sexton is not Manning's agent)

Just Go Get Stoops. The Guy Guides A Successful, Big Time program. I Dont Think We've Expressed Interest In him But thats Probably Due to Banner And Lamebardi Not Wanting Anyone They Deem Wiser Than Them In Here.

j/c

Latest rumor being floated around NFL Network is that Browns have interest in Bob Stoops.... and that interest may be mutual.

Thoughts?

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Latest rumor being floated around NFL Network is that Browns have interest in Bob Stoops.... and that interest may be mutual.

Thoughts?

i rather deal with stoops, and i might actually have hop he does good, than deal with McDaniels.

I'm not saying it all adds up, but the ONLY time we have been to the playoffs....was with a College HC. no other former Coord. turned HC besides Romeo even came close to taken us to the playoffs.

so, why not give him a shot.

If we take a guy from the college ranks, I think I am leaning toward James Franklin. Didn't know much about him last week but the more I read about him the more I like him.

The other guy I am interested in in Bowles.

I am not a big McDaniels fan but would be okay with him. Maybe that is my John Carroll bias (class of 91).

Gase, Quinn and Stoops would be disappointing to me.

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Latest rumor being floated around NFL Network is that Browns have interest in Bob Stoops.... and that interest may be mutual.

Thoughts?

i rather deal with stoops, and i might actually have hop he does good, than deal with McDaniels.

I'm not saying it all adds up, but the ONLY time we have been to the playoffs....was with a College HC. no other former Coord. turned HC besides Romeo even came close to taken us to the playoffs.

so, why not give him a shot.

But Davis also had 6 seasons of being an NFL asst. coach/coordinator before the Miami HC gig.

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Latest rumor being floated around NFL Network is that Browns have interest in Bob Stoops.... and that interest may be mutual.

Thoughts?

The Browns are interested in Franklin(Vandy coach) and have received very good feedback on the HC, and are intrigued. Can he handle the situation in Cleveland or the NFL???

Bob Stoops.Interest on both sides.the Browns, as do many around the league believe Stoops translates well to the NFL and is as ready as he has ever been to making the jump. Stoops is not a yes man and does get respect.

McDaniels. The Browns have expressed serious interest and the OC has gauged interest in assembling a staff -- if the offer comes or he decides to jump in with both feet.

Auburn's coach-The Browns are intrigued and have a great respect for Gus M' offensive thinking . .Those are the rumored HC candidates...

I Just Don't Think The FO Can Afford To Gamble Here But Dealing With A First Timer Is Just That. A Gamble.

Stoops Is The Exception Because Of The Major Program He Runs.

Mora Jr.
Billick
Mariucci
Green
All RetreadS Oit There.

All reports now are saying that talk of Stoops interviewing with the Browns is completely bogus.

Stoops was probably being purposely coy about his interest in the NFL in order to get OU to up his contract. Seems to be the new negotiation tactic for college coaches.

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I had to look up Gase, because I wasn't all that familiar with him. I know that he's the Bronco's offensive coordinator, but that is about it.

I actually though Peyton Manning was the OC in Denver. Isn't it he who calls all of those audibles at the LOS?

I agree. I wouldn't base the Denver OC's success on his ability. He just happens to be the guy who has maybe the best QB ever at the helm of his O.

Not for nothing, but folks said the same thing about Denver's OC, Mike McCoy, last year as a coaching candidate and he now has lead the Bolts to the playoffs.

Personally, I'd take Gase over McDaniels. With Gase, you do not have a proven failure on your hands.

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Latest rumor being floated around NFL Network is that Browns have interest in Bob Stoops.... and that interest may be mutual.

Thoughts?

The Browns are interested in Franklin(Vandy coach) and have received very good feedback on the HC, and are intrigued. Can he handle the situation in Cleveland or the NFL???

Bob Stoops.Interest on both sides.the Browns, as do many around the league believe Stoops translates well to the NFL and is as ready as he has ever been to making the jump. Stoops is not a yes man and does get respect.

McDaniels. The Browns have expressed serious interest and the OC has gauged interest in assembling a staff -- if the offer comes or he decides to jump in with both feet.

Auburn's coach-The Browns are intrigued and have a great respect for Gus M' offensive thinking . .Those are the rumored HC candidates...

When James Franklin's name popped up in the discussion, my interest was piqued. I like him. I also like Malzahn. In his two seasons as a college HC, he's been the champion in both. The Sunbelt champs at Arkansas State and the SEC champs this year.

Franklin is the guy that I want the most. He's a great leader and has a personality people gravitate to.......so basically there is no chance the Beowns hire him...lol.

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All reports now are saying that talk of Stoops interviewing with the Browns is completely bogus.

Stoops was probably being purposely coy about his interest in the NFL in order to get OU to up his contract. Seems to be the new negotiation tactic for college coaches.

KFFL

Browns | No plans to interview Bob Stoops
Sat, 04 Jan 2014 18:44:26 -0800

The Cleveland Browns do not have any plans to interview University of Oklahoma head coach Bob Stoops for their head coaching position.

Source: The Cleveland Plain Dealer - Mary Kay Cabot

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Stoops was probably being purposely coy about his interest in the NFL in order to get OU to up his contract. Seems to be the new negotiation tactic for college coaches.

KFFL

Browns | No plans to interview Bob Stoops

Sat, 04 Jan 2014 18:44:26 -0800

The Cleveland Browns do not have any plans to interview University of Oklahoma head coach Bob Stoops for their head coaching position.

Source: The Cleveland Plain Dealer - Mary Kay Cabot

And why not??????

I certainly hope that we are still interested in Franklin and Malzahn though.

Yeah Malzahn can teach our guys how to have passes deflected to wide open receivers and how to return field goals 109 yards.

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Yeah Malzahn can teach our guys how to have passes deflected to wide open receivers and how to return field goals 109 yards.

and how to actually have a running game?

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Yeah Malzahn can teach our guys how to have passes deflected to wide open receivers and how to return field goals 109 yards.

and how to actually have a running game?

That he can do. Auburn might have the best running attack I have even seen. I would be interested in him. I love the hurry up attack.

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Yeah I saw that. But anyone wanting him will have to wait till the Broncs are done..wonder if the Browns are going to wait..

Didn't he turn down the interview request?

There was an article with a misleading title out there.

He didn't specifically turn down the Browns. He turned down all interviews until after the Broncos are out of the playoffs.

That's correct. It was another lame attempt to bash the Browns by the local media. The Bears also wanted to interview Gase. He didn't just turn us down. He is simply waiting until Denver's season is over.

I'm glad that the Stoops thing is bogus. I like him as a collegiate coach, but how would he translate to the NFL. He seems really old school. He isn't an innovator like Kelly.

I like Franklin and Malzahn though. Both are progressive guys who are excellent motivators. It's always a bit of a crap shoot when moving to the NFL from college, though.

From the professional ranks, I like McDaniels and Gase. The latter was hand chosen by P. Manning to be his coordinator this year. Manning thinks the guy is extremely bright.

McCoy, the previous OC in Denver, had a nice season in San Diego and you have to admit, his offense was way more productive than Norv's. They didn't take nearly as many sacks and Rivers played much, much better.

I've been thinking about that recently. I loved our coaching hires from last year, but all three teams: Carolina, San Diego, and Arizona improved w/out those guys. I'm not sure if there is a correlation there, but it is something to think about.

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Franklin is the guy that I want the most. He's a great leader and has a personality people gravitate to.......so basically there is no chance the Browns hire him...lol.

Maybe you're right. It does seem that way, doesn't it? He's the one that I think has the most to offer in as far as pure coaching ability goes.

Malzahn's use of the no hesitation, no huddle offense could make for a fast-paced game. If he comes here, the Browns could really amp up the scoring possibilities by keeping winded defensive fat men on the field. I don't know though, if we have the personnel to really work with that type of system. It could mean a wholesale overhaul of the OL, but it might be able to be run with the weapons on offense that we have. I think Hoyer could operate it smoothly enough, but it would mean that Cambell and Weeden would both be gone. We'd have to get backup QBs that could operate it.

It would also mean that we would need to have one hell of a strength & conditioning coach, or a whole staff of them.

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All reports now are saying that talk of Stoops interviewing with the Browns is completely bogus.

Stoops was probably being purposely coy about his interest in the NFL in order to get OU to up his contract. Seems to be the new negotiation tactic for college coaches.

KFFL

Browns | No plans to interview Bob Stoops

Sat, 04 Jan 2014 18:44:26 -0800

The Cleveland Browns do not have any plans to interview University of Oklahoma head coach Bob Stoops for their head coaching position.

Source: The Cleveland Plain Dealer - Mary Kay Cabot

And why not?????? I certainly hope that we are still interested in Franklin and Malzahn though.

He's already been interviewed?

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jas...oncos-adam-gase

Browns coaching update: First request was to Broncos' Adam Gase

Jason La Canfora
CBS Sports NFL Insider
January 05, 2014 09:31 AM
Adam Gase has the trust of Broncos QB Peyton Manning. (USATSI)

Adam Gase has the trust of Broncos QB Peyton Manning. (USATSI)

For more news and notes from Jason La Canfora, tune into The NFL Today Sunday at noon ET on CBS.

The Browns surprised many in the NFL by firing coach Rob Chudzinski last week after just one season on the job, and, their immediate move upon letting him go was to reach out to Adam Gase, Denver’s offensive coordinator, according to sources. Browns team president Joe Banner has referenced several times his hope of finding the next Andy Reid -- who he long worked with in Philadelphia -- and Gase was at the top of the Browns’ wish list, sources said.

However, as we reported earlier, despite Gase expecting to be a hot name for coaching jobs, he prized the chance to continue working with Peyton Manning for another season, even with all they accomplished in 2013, and was likely to wait until 2015 to explore head coaching jobs. Gase, indeed, decided to focus on the playoff run with the Broncos and not explore any head coaching interviews, if at all, until after his season is complete -- which could run into next month. The Browns also had Patriots coordinator Josh McDaniels on a short list, and his interview was conducted on Saturday, while several league sources said the Browns have also done research on Vanderbilt’s James Franklin and Auburn’s Gus Malzahn, and could well end up hiring one of them.

Team sources believe it will be difficult to get Malzahn out of Auburn, in particular, and he is coaching for a national championship this week. Franklin, however, is ready to make a move up if possible, and he did spend time in the NFL on the Eagles staff as an intern, back when Banner was team president there. Franklin was also a position coach, for one year, with Green Bay, coaching wide receivers (Reid was hired to coach the Eagles by Banner back when he was an unknown assistant with Green Bay).

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There was an article with a misleading title out there.

He didn't specifically turn down the Browns. He turned down all interviews until after the Broncos are out of the playoffs.

OK,, Thanks

It would seem to me that you start your search for a NFL head coach with candidates that: have been successful NFL head coaches. Guys like Lovie Smith, Fox going to Denver, Reid going to KC.

What makes McDaniels a candidate other than his existing relationship with Lombardi? Enough said. I answered my own question.

Romeo, Weiss, Mangini, McDaniels what is wrong with this picture?

Please explain how Belichick Lite will work?

How are college coaches like the Auburn guy and Stoops considered upgrades over Chud? Does not coaching in the NFL somehow make one a better candidate than guys who have coached in the NFL?

It will make for good TV when Haslam and Banner introduce the new head coach. Lombardi is obviously under a gag order.

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That's correct. It was another lame attempt to bash the Browns by the local media.

You may be right Vers but frankly, the FO and ownership of the Browns deserves to be bashed.. Big time.

Hire a HC, tell him we're building for the future, have him hire a staff, tell them we are building for the future.

Then when things don't go as desired(for a bunch of reasons, some that land squarely on the shoulders of the GM and CEO) Puff, all of the statements about building for the future and for the long term and for consistency go out the window and it's "reload" time again.

To me, Banner and Haslam clearly lied to the coach and his staff.. they didn't mean it, they flat out lied. I can't say what Lombardi did because he's still in hiding.

The next coach, if supported the same way Chud and his staff were, will fail and we'll be right back here next year. The difference being, NO WAY the Fans sit still for another coaching change so quickly, so they'll HAVE to stick with the next coach, no matter how he does.

I want to be wrong. I want the next coach to take us to the promised land. I really do. But I don't know if it's possible with these guys leading the charge.

I don't want to go so far as to call them the Three Stooges, not because I don't think they deserve the title, but because I don't want to be an idiot and do the Jim Rome kinda things and start changing peoples names...

J/C....

I know this is not likely to happen... Just a funny thought I had...

What if no one was willing to come here and be the HC... The FO can't get no one..

Could the FO go back to Chud and say " your're coming back to be HC "....

Yes they fired him... but is he still obligated to the contract ? Do to the money he's receiving I just wasn't sure....Could they bring him back ?

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J/C....

I know this is not likely to happen... Just a funny thought I had...

What if no one was willing to come here and be the HC... The FO can't get no one..

Could the FO go back to Chud and say " your're coming back to be HC "....

Yes they fired him... but is he still obligated to the contract ? Do to the money he's receiving I just wasn't sure....Could they bring him back ?

I suppose that they could ....... but it would never happen. There will be several coaches who want to be a head coach no matter what, so there will always be candidates.

As to your final question ...... they fired him. That terminates his contract. If they, somehow, decided to bring him back, they would have to sign him to a new deal.

Thanks YTown.... wasn't sure...

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...I don't want to be an idiot and do the Jim Rome kinda things and start changing peoples names...

Yeah, but Rome changing Rosie O'Donnel's name to Rosie O'Doughnut was classic.

Anti FO posts will continue for two reasons, they did an epic job of fail and, it's the last thing that has been done to this point.

Once they hire a coach and head into FA and on to the draft things should settle down. There will be plenty of others to bash on then. Of course, since all of it starts with the FO they'll still get their share until we start winning.

They earned the disgrace. To remove it they need to build a winner. It's still possible. We couldn't be in a better scenario other than being a national laughing stock of ineptitude. But all the stars are aligned with Cap Money and Draft Picks to make a successful impact to this team. Now it's up to them to get it done. That will eliminate the FO bashing.

I would have been happy if they started off interviewing Lovie. I think he's a good coach who got a raw deal, but he had his sights set on Tampa. He's creating a pretty great staff too.

As for McDaniels, not too much to get worked up about right now, for me. If they hire him, it does seem rather short sided and stupid, but I think there are legitimate interests in Malzahn, Franklin and Gase. And I think, should those three all turn them down *two I think would, no way Franklin would turn them down though*, they'd fall back to McDaniels.

JMO.

Whatever they do I hope they do it sooner rather than later. The sooner they hire a coach the more quality, experienced coordinators and assistants will be available. If they wait too long they could run into the problem RAC had when he was hired after the Superbowl, all the good coordinators and assistants already had jobs so he had to settle for the second and third tier of coaching staff candidates.

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Whatever they do I hope they do it sooner rather than later. The sooner they hire a coach the more quality, experienced coordinators and assistants will be available. If they wait too long they could run into the problem RAC had when he was hired after the Superbowl, all the good coordinators and assistants already had jobs so he had to settle for the second and third tier of coaching staff candidates.

They can always have a "handshake" deal and the coach can "hire" his staff if they want. The problem is that Gase won't even interview until his team is out, and seeing as how I think he's the guy the Browns want, they are going to have to wait and lose out on those coordinators.

Seems like a bad idea to me.

I agree, but you never know who is on the list. It could be until after the SuperBowl before we hire a coach.

The draft not being until may is a good thing for us this year. It will give the new coach a bit more time to study the team before he starts studying prospects.

That's a great point about waiting too long. While I don't want them to rush, they really do limit themselves if they wait until or after the Super Bowl.

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J/C....

I know this is not likely to happen... Just a funny thought I had...

What if no one was willing to come here and be the HC... The FO can't get no one..

Could the FO go back to Chud and say " your're coming back to be HC "....

Yes they fired him... but is he still obligated to the contract ? Do to the money he's receiving I just wasn't sure....Could they bring him back ?

I don't think it's even remotely likely they can't get someone to take the job. Not sure if the person they get is the one anyone, including them, actually want.

As for Chud and his staff, I'd think there is no way in hell he wants to come back unless Banner and perhaps Lombardi are gone. (again, don't know about lombardi cause he's in hiding)

Hey, money don't mean a thing to Chud, he's owed something like 9 million over the next couple of years. so he's set.

Gotta admit however, it would be funny to see Banner swinging from the same rope he put Chud out there on....LOL What a neat Visual.

These Guys Have Giant Egos And All Think They Can Turn This Franchise Around.

When push Comes To Shove This Is A Pretty Good Gig. Fans, Draft Picks, Money For FA And A Front Office Who Will Most Likely Give You Time So They Don't Look Incompetent...Again

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These Guys Have Giant Egos And All Think They Can Turn This Franchise Around.

When push Comes To Shove This Is A Pretty Good Gig. Fans, Draft Picks, Money For FA And A Front Office Who Will Most Likely Give You Time So They Don't Look Incompetent...Again

That certainly is another way of looking at it..

The franklin guy...the vanderbelt coach.....i dont know why the browns are even trying for him....if he doesnt stay in college football he will take the redskins job i think.....i cant imagine any coach wanting to come here not named josh Mcdainels......

High Risk, High Reward!
The Coach Who returns Us To Relevancy Will Be Crowned King Of Cleveland.

It Just May Be Mcdaniels. Who knows.

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High Risk, High Reward!
The Coach Who returns Us To Relevancy Will Be Crowned King Of Cleveland.

It Just May Be Mcdaniels. Who knows.

Oh hell yeah,, King of Cleveland it is. As for McDaniels, sure it could be him, but I see nothing that says it's likely...

At The Moment Im Not Seeing Anyone To Be Any More Likely Than The Next. My Guess Was As Fast As They Moved To Fire Chud A Hiring Would as Quickly Follow. Im Afraid This Crew Is Lost In The Wilderness...

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At The Moment Im Not Seeing Anyone To Be Any More Likely Than The Next. My Guess Was As Fast As They Moved To Fire Chud A Hiring Would as Quickly Follow. Im Afraid This Crew Is Lost In The Wilderness...

Joe banner never came out of the wilderness........his only argument he ever has is taking credit for what andy reid and tom heckerrt built in philly....

Interesting...

Browns | Expected to talk with Jay Gruden

Sun, 05 Jan 2014 08:26:23 -0800

The Cleveland Browns are expected to interview Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator Jay Gruden for their head coaching position.

Source: CBSSports.com - Jason La Canfora

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The Cleveland Browns are expected to interview Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator Jay Gruden for their head coaching position.

Looks like they won't have to wait long for that.....

Not sure how I feel about that other than the positive that maybe things didn't go too good with McDaniels. All is quiet on that front.

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The franklin guy...the vanderbelt coach.....i dont know why the browns are even trying for him....if he doesnt stay in college football he will take the redskins job i think.....i cant imagine any coach wanting to come here not named josh Mcdainels......

Why would he want the Redskins job?

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The franklin guy...the vanderbelt coach.....i dont know why the browns are even trying for him....if he doesnt stay in college football he will take the redskins job i think.....i cant imagine any coach wanting to come here not named josh Mcdainels......

Why would he want the Redskins job?

No doubt.....I don't think the Browns situation is all that desirable, but considering the Skins are saddled with no 1st round picks, very little cap flexibility, and a certified nut for an owner in Snyder I have no idea why on earth anyone would want to come there.

RG3 is an incredible talent, and if he can get healthy for next year they will be much better. However, considering the Skins have no resources to get a competent OL to protect him the chances of him being re-injured are not exactly nil.

I think the Browns job is very desirable.

A....we have a boat of of picks.

B...the coach can hand pick his QB.

C...No way we dump the next coach after a year, and taking circumtance in to account, can probably sqeeze out a extra year on the contract.

It's as good a job as is available. Maybe the best job on the market.

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Browns | Expected to talk with Jay Gruden

Sun, 05 Jan 2014 08:26:23 -0800

The Cleveland Browns are expected to interview Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator Jay Gruden for their head coaching position.

Source: CBSSports.com - Jason La Canfora

Oh, dear Lord, no.

::smh::

They're going to give the appearance of leaving no stone unturned.

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Browns | Expected to talk with Jay Gruden

Sun, 05 Jan 2014 08:26:23 -0800

The Cleveland Browns are expected to interview Cincinnati Bengals offensive coordinator Jay Gruden for their head coaching position.

Source: CBSSports.com - Jason La Canfora

I like Jay Gruden as a head coach candidate. That means that we either won't hire him, or will fire him within a year.

lol I also like Franklin from what I know of him. I want no part of McDaniels, but I do see an offensive minded coach as likely to be the top choice again this time around. I do like Bowles. I have thought highly of him as a future head coach since his time here in Cleveland. I just can't see us going with a conservative, defensive oriented head coach though.

Last time around I liked Chud, but my favorite before his name entered the picture was Bruce Arians. Evidently Arians was too old for this crew. (like it makes a difference if you fire your hand picked head coach after a yea anyway) Arians went 10-5 in a division that includes Seattle and San Francisco. He is one hell of a coach, and I still kinda with we would have hired him. The evidence of what kind of coach he would be was already there, based on th job he did in Indy when Chuck Pagano was sidelined. I still cannot believe that we didn't even talk to him. of course, this lot was in "the next head coach will be here to 10+ years" mode at the time, and Arians is an older coach. Still, he turned around a pretty bad Cardinals team, a team that went 5-11, 8-8, and 5-11 the 3 years prior to his arrival, in no time flat. He also managed this with what most of us would consider a fairly poor QB.

Well .... I think that either things more rapidly at this point ....... or the front office wants to wait for McDaniels. I would much, much prefer a (public) final decision while the Pats are still in the playoff picture, because that would mean no McDaniels.

They Once Again Will Suffer Analysis Paralysis And End Up Having To Choose From The Scrap Heap.

if mcD Is The Man I'd Like To Hear From Him How He's Changed. What He's Learned And How Cleveland Would Be Different Than Denver. I Have A Tough Time Believing He's A Jerk When His Father Is One Heck Of A Man.

And, What Has Happened To The Story Of Schwartz Being The DC even Before The HC is Found?

The thought of Gruden (either one) gives me shivers, and not in a good way.

For the record, I want Franklin as my number one choice and Bowles as #2 out of the ones listed as potential candidates - Zimmer is the overall #1 but we aren't even looking at him.

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B...the coach can hand pick his QB.

You actually this Banner and Lombardi are going to let a coach pick the QB that will define their tenure here..?

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B...the coach can hand pick his QB.

You actually <think that> Banner and Lombardi are going to let a coach pick the QB that will define their tenure here..?

I don't think that they will. Nor do I think that they should. The GM and personnel people should actually be making those decisions. If Banner wants to have input, as president, he probably should have something to say and even trump the GM and personnel people.

It's the coach's job to get the pieces given to him working together.

Providing They're all In Sync And Draf For Their Coaches System....

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They're going to give the appearance of leaving no stone unturned.

The appearance? LOL..............you guys slay me.

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Joe banner never came out of the wilderness........his only argument he ever has is taking credit for what andy reid and tom heckerrt built in philly....

You guys make crap up and no one---other than me---call you on it. Heckert was a lackey in Philly. Get real.

You guys are spewing hate w/out a lot of facts. One year. One mistake. You freaking ignored years and years and years of mistakes and didn't bat an eye. Now, these guys make one questionable move and they are the anti-Christ. Pffftttttttttttt.

This so reminds me of the Belichick era in Cleveland. It's amazing how often the local media and the fan base is wrong here.

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Providing They're all In Sync And Draft For Their Coaches System....

It seems to me that the players are selected and it's the coaches job to get them to play.

If the player doesn't seem to 'fit' a coach's system, it's up to the coach to devise ways to utilize the talents of the players that he does have, without any regard to the coach's system.

Agreed. The level of conspiracy thinking on this board is unreal. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I just can't believe how many people actually believe that the entire search for a new coach is a sham.

Wake up, people. The world doesn't work that way.

Hey.............is Franklin no longer on our list? I saw his name in connection w/Tenn while watching the games today. His name wasn't listed w/us. Stoops and McDaniels were the only two guys I saw linked to Cleveland.

I like Franklin. What's the latest for those in the know?

According to Cleveland.com we have requested an interview with him. I also read a report that Haslem and Co. will be at the BCS game to speak with Gus. I'm iffy on Gus (much like I was with Kelly so TTFWIW) but love Franklin....with BOB gone to H-town he is my favorite.

Thanks, bro.

I like both Franklin and Gus more than I do Stoops. I want an innovator.

I don't think Franklin is much of an innovator, he's just one hell of a bright coach.

But I like Malzahn more than Franklin. And love both of them.

Okay, I will buy that.

I really like Gus. At first I wasn't sold on him due to the Triple Option they're currently running, but I forgot that he was also the OC when they had Cam, this shows me that he can produce a diverse offense that is tailor made to the talent on this team. This is very important as of right now we have too good of a personnel to run a WCO and I could not see us go down that road again. So that's who my pipe dream is, but I doubt we'll see him here.

Yeah, I don't think he'll come here, either. But, we can hope.

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B...the coach can hand pick his QB.

You actually this Banner and Lombardi are going to let a coach pick the QB that will define their tenure here..?

Pretty much. No, I don't think the coach will have the only vote, but sure, I think the coach will have a big say.

Maybe I should have said "he will pretty much be able to hand select his QB".

Better?

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...ml#incart_river

Cleveland Browns and NFL A.M. Links: Blake Bortles could become the Browns' choice at QB; Browns will interview more coaches

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Central Florida junior quarterback Blake Bortles reportedly is the No. 1 quarterback on the board for a team likely to draft in the top 10, Sports Illustrated NFL writer Peter King said.

Could that team be the Cleveland Browns?

King said: "I've spoken to a team that's likely to have a top-10 pick, and they like him better than any quarterback in this draft."

Draft guru Rob Rang ranks Bortles No. 22 on his draft board.

"A prototypically built pocket passer with good awareness, athleticism and arm strength, Bortles looks the part of an NFL starting quarterback," Rang wrote. "He is methodical in his setup and delivery of the ball and is a bit inconsistent with his accuracy, but the mettle he showed in guiding UCF to several comeback victories in 2013 has scouts buzzing. Bortles isn't as polished as Bridgewater, (Derek) Carr or Manziel, but should he enter the 2014 draft a top-10 selection is not out of the question."

Bortles led the Knights to an 11-1 record during the regular season, writes Derek Harper on CBSSports.com. He threw for 3,582 yards and 25 touchdowns against nine interceptions this season while completing 67.8 percent of his passes.

Bortles fits the mode for an AFC North quarterback at 6-4, 230 pounds. Among Bortles' strengths are his excellent size, good arm strength and underrated athleticism that makes him a threat as a ballcarrier as well.

More Browns and NFL news

A catch-by-catch of wide receiver Josh Gordon's season (Cleveland.com).

Don't believe the hype when it comes to the Browns interviewing Bob Stoops (Cleveland.com).

There's at least 10 things the Browns' GM should do (Ohio.com).

The Browns may have to play the waiting game during the playoffs (Ohio.com).

This time CEO Joe Banner needs to sign the right coach (The News-Herald).

Four coaching tales that may help the Browns (CantonRep.com).

Former Browns kicker, Phil Dawson, makes biggest field goal to advance 49ers (pressdemocrat.com).

Bengals fall in playoff loss to San Diego Chargers (Cincinnati.com).

Bengals' OC Jay Gruden is prime candidate to take over in Washington (CBSSports.com).

The Browns will interview Vanderbilt coach James Franklin (ESPN.com).

I believe the HC will have a say in what type of QB he needs to run his system, but not necessarily hand pick his guy.

ie.... If he wants Bridgewater and this FO tries to negotiate a deal to move up to acquire Bridgewater. When this process occurs, if the feeling is the price is simply too high, that coach won't get Bridgewater.

I believe the process is more complicated than you seem to feel it is based on your post. When a team hires and pays an entire scouting staff, a GM and a team president, I don't believe all of those resources are not fully used in terms of drafting a QB so you can simply turn over that decision to a HC.

However, I don't believe as I saw suggested by another poster, that you don't draft a QB who fits the O scheme of your HC and tell him, "Hey that's our guy, deal with it."

If that's your intent, hire a HC that fits who and what type of players you plan to draft. If you ever plan to succeed, you don't mix oil and water then take no responsibility for the outcome.

j/c

I like the Jay Gruden talk. Somebody is going to end up with a bright HC with this guy.

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McCoy, the previous OC in Denver, had a nice season in San Diego and you have to admit, his offense was way more productive than Norv's. They didn't take nearly as many sacks and Rivers played much, much better.

I've been thinking about that recently. I loved our coaching hires from last year, but all three teams: Carolina, San Diego, and Arizona improved w/out those guys. I'm not sure if there is a correlation there, but it is something to think about.

Definately something to think about. McCoy and Arians crossed my mind this weekend.

What is the new skill set of a high level NFL coach?

I'm looking at the Harbaugh's, Carroll, McCoy, Kelly, etc...

Also, some ol school guys are still in top positions.

So?

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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...ml#incart_river

Cleveland Browns and NFL A.M. Links: Blake Bortles could become the Browns' choice at QB; Browns will interview more coaches

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Central Florida junior quarterback Blake Bortles reportedly is the No. 1 quarterback on the board for a team likely to draft in the top 10, Sports Illustrated NFL writer Peter King said.

Could that team be the Cleveland Browns?

King said: "I've spoken to a team that's likely to have a top-10 pick, and they like him better than any quarterback in this draft."

Draft guru Rob Rang ranks Bortles No. 22 on his draft board.

"A prototypically built pocket passer with good awareness, athleticism and arm strength, Bortles looks the part of an NFL starting quarterback," Rang wrote. "He is methodical in his setup and delivery of the ball and is a bit inconsistent with his accuracy, but the mettle he showed in guiding UCF to several comeback victories in 2013 has scouts buzzing. Bortles isn't as polished as Bridgewater, (Derek) Carr or Manziel, but should he enter the 2014 draft a top-10 selection is not out of the question."

Bortles led the Knights to an 11-1 record during the regular season, writes Derek Harper on CBSSports.com. He threw for 3,582 yards and 25 touchdowns against nine interceptions this season while completing 67.8 percent of his passes.

Bortles fits the mode for an AFC North quarterback at 6-4, 230 pounds. Among Bortles' strengths are his excellent size, good arm strength and underrated athleticism that makes him a threat as a ballcarrier as well.

More Browns and NFL news

A catch-by-catch of wide receiver Josh Gordon's season (Cleveland.com).

Don't believe the hype when it comes to the Browns interviewing Bob Stoops (Cleveland.com).

There's at least 10 things the Browns' GM should do (Ohio.com).

The Browns may have to play the waiting game during the playoffs (Ohio.com).

This time CEO Joe Banner needs to sign the right coach (The News-Herald).

Four coaching tales that may help the Browns (CantonRep.com).

Former Browns kicker, Phil Dawson, makes biggest field goal to advance 49ers (pressdemocrat.com).

Bengals fall in playoff loss to San Diego Chargers (Cincinnati.com).

Bengals' OC Jay Gruden is prime candidate to take over in Washington (CBSSports.com).

The Browns will interview Vanderbilt coach James Franklin (ESPN.com).

He will be gone by the time we pick.....the jags will take him at 3.....

Maybe, but at this point, my bet is they take Clowney or trade down to Oakland's place so Oak can take Clowney.

My guess (really early):
1) Bridgewater
2) Watkins
3) Clowney

There's a slight Chance That It Goes

Teddy
Matthews
Clowney

Thus Leaving Us The Choice Of Johnny Or Bortles. I Think Bortles Is Tailor Made For Our Division And Our Stadium/Weather. But I Seriously Love JohnnyS Leadership Style. Will It Work In The NFL Is My Question...

It would be a mistake to rely on a slight chance.

We need to move up to at least number 2 to get our guy.

We need a QB. Don't leave it to chance, especially a slight chance.

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It would be a mistake to rely on a slight chance.

We need to move up to at least number 2 to get our guy.

We need a QB. Don't leave it to chance, especially a slight chance.

I'd Tend To Agree.

I Think Jax Will Go QB And I Think We've Diddled Around With our QB Situation Far Too Long.

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Yeah I saw that. But anyone wanting him will have to wait till the Broncs are done..wonder if the Browns are going to wait..

Didn't he turn down the interview request?

He's turned down any requests until the Bronco's are done in the playoffs..sorry I took so long..I can't get in here everyday.

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There's a slight Chance That It Goes

Teddy
Matthews
Clowney

Thus Leaving Us The Choice Of Johnny Or Bortles. I Think Bortles Is Tailor Made For Our Division And Our Stadium/Weather. But I Seriously Love JohnnyS Leadership Style. Will It Work In The NFL Is My Question...

More that a slight chance for sure...

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According to Cleveland.com we have requested an interview with him. I also read a report that Haslem and Co. will be at the BCS game to speak with Gus. I'm iffy on Gus (much like I was with Kelly so TTFWIW) but love Franklin....with BOB gone to H-town he is my favorite.

] Remember what I told U? Hasslehoff wants his SEC boys to get some attention.
Being from Tennessee , he feels that area is strong with football.
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And they should open the pool up to look at these guys.

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What about Bill Davis the defensive coordinator with the Eagles? He took an Eagles defense that was horrible at the beginning of the season and turned them into a very good defense by the end of the year. Why are no teams looking at him?

Here is some of his bio from the Eagles website:

With 21 years of NFL coaching experience, Bill Davis joined the Eagles in the 2013 offseason after spending the previous two sea- sons coaching the Cleveland Browns’ linebackers.

During his coaching career, Davis has held stints under Dom Capers, Bill Cowher, Vic Fangio, Dick LeBeau, Mike Nolan, Wade Phillips and Marvin Lewis. He has also helped guide eight players to the Pro Bowl: Keith Brooking, Darnell Dockett, Kevin Greene, Walt Harris, Lamar Lathon, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Antrel Rolle and Adrian Wilson.

In his two seasons in Cleveland, Davis helped transform line- backer D’Qwell Jackson into one of the most productive middle linebackers in the NFL, as he registered 277 tackles, seven sacks and three interceptions from 2011-12. In 2011, Davis oversaw a group that helped the Browns finish 10th in the NFL in total de- fense after finishing 22nd the previous season. In addition, it also marked the first time the Browns finished in the top-10 in total de- fense since 1994.

Prior to joining the Browns, Davis spent four seasons with the Arizona Cardinals, first coaching the linebackers from 2007-08 be- fore serving as the team’s defensive coordinator from 2009-10. Safety Adrian Wilson garnered Pro Bowl selections in 2009 and 2010 while defensive tackle Darnell Dockett, safety Antrel Rolle and cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie each garnered Pro Bowl honors in 2009. Under Davis’ direction, the Cardinals allowed 325 points in 2009, the fifth-lowest total for the franchise since the NFL transitioned to a 16-game schedule in 1978. In addition, the Cardinals defense allowed only 139 points on the road, tied for the fewest in franchise history since the schedule expanded in 1978. The team also tallied 21 interceptions, the team’s highest figure since 1994.

In 2010, the Cardinals recorded 12 return touchdowns, includ- ing seven fumble returns, three interception returns and two kick- off returns for touchdowns, the second-highest single-season total in NFL history. The team’s seven fumble recoveries for touchdowns set an NFL record.
Davis’ unit ranked first in the NFL in red zone scoring percent- age in 2010, allowing defenses to score on only 39.1% of their trips inside the 20.

From 2005-06, Davis served as the defensive coordinator with the San Francisco 49ers. Davis joined the San Francisco staff after one season as the New York Giants’ linebackers coach in 2004.
Before his stint with the Giants, Davis spent the previous three seasons as the Atlanta Falcons’ linebackers coach. During his tenure in Atlanta, linebacker Keith Brooking was selected to the Pro Bowl in each of his three seasons under Davis.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/coaches/bill-davis/c2bb7bd1-1cf8-4374-a8eb-8675b630a7ee

are we even interviewing anybody?

Ok we spoke to Bowles ( rooney Rule) and Mcdaniels, supposedly we have interest in Malzohn and Gase.... meanwhile other teams are looking at:

Whisenhunt
Bowles
Quinn
Caldwell
Zimmer
Gruden
Munchak
Fewell
Roman
Bisacia
Gase

and probbaly others... seems to me that leaving no stone unturned shold be more than kicking rocks in the Muni lot, and yet we seem to be doing nothing, or very little, guess the hire has already been made... damn if this doesnt feel like Holmgren 2.0 and his Shurmer hire

Man I hope I am wrong

Reportedly we have interviewed McDaniels, Bowles and Quinn.

Nobody has interviewed Gase, but he is on our list as well as others should he decide to interview after the Broncos season is completed.

We have supposedly asked for permission to interview Franklin but I heard that about a week ago with no subsequent follow-up.

Malzohn has been a little preoccupied. We reportedly have interest but I think he stays at Auburn.

I thought Franklin to Penn State was a done deal? Did that fizzle out?

Ok add Quinn to my list, that still leaves a lot of potential candidates that we seem to be just blowing off.

Does that indicate no interest from us or the fact that these candidates have no interest in coming here? either way it is disappointing

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I thought Franklin to Penn State was a done deal? Did that fizzle out?

I thought so too, that is why i did not include him in anybodys search, but i could be wrong.

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I thought Franklin to Penn State was a done deal? Did that fizzle out?

I thought so too, that is why i did not include him in anybodys search, but i could be wrong.

He's an interesting guy I would like to hear more about. Everyone pimping him right now is just showing youtube videos of him motivating his guys.

You can only motivate so much. There has to be some development in there too. Can he do that?

Penn State is bringing in Munchak to interview now as well. He was their first choice when they hired O'Brien but Munchak said that he had too much loyalty to Bud Adams who gave him his start in coaching and opportunity to be the HC to take the job. Well, now that is off the table, so we'll see if the Nittany Lions still want him.

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I thought Franklin to Penn State was a done deal? Did that fizzle out?

I thought so too, that is why i did not include him in anybodys search, but i could be wrong.

I must have missed that. I heard a few rumors but nothing substantial.

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Ok add Quinn to my list, that still leaves a lot of potential candidates that we seem to be just blowing off.

Does that indicate no interest from us or the fact that these candidates have no interest in coming here? either way it is disappointing

Agreed.

We need to hire Gus Malzahn. That man is innovative and he wins wherever he coaches.

I'd draft Johnny Football to run Gus's offense.

It is time for a change and think outside the box.

jc

Browns want to interview Ben McAdoo for head coach job

Apparently, firing a young offensive assistant with no previous head coaching experience didn’t deter the Browns, because they’re going back to that well for their latest interview.

According to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, the Browns are interviewing Packers quarterbacks coach Ben McAdoo for their head coaching job.

The 36-year-old McAdoo was blocked from interviewing for the Buccaneers coordinator job two years ago, when he was tight ends coach.

He was thought to be a possibility for the offensive coordinator job in Miami, where his old co-worker Joe Philbin is looking for help. But the Browns apparently have some interest in him for a bigger job, one created by firing a guy with a similar career arc in Rob Chudzinski.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/07/2236149/

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We need to hire Gus Malzahn. That man is innovative and he wins wherever he coaches.

I'd draft Johnny Football to run Gus's offense.

It is time for a change and think outside the box.

100% - what will it take to pry him away from Auburn I wonder....I know if i was successful in college the nfl would be waaay down on my wish list... this guy can write his own ticket there for years.

then again I could be a conspiracy guy and say we are just throwing college names out there (Malzohn and franklin) so people think we are doing due deligence,

and we know they are not going anywhere ( ie Stoops).

Definitely would love to hear we hired Malzahn. He's the guy I want and would be a lot more satisfying than McDaniels (ugh) or some other young coordinator that has absolutely no head coaching experience. I still fail to see why we want to hire people with no HC experience. I know there comes a time and point where people deserve a shot but come on. Don't do it with our organization. We don't have time for some "maybe" experiment where the guy either knows how to be a HC or he doesn't.

Once they hire a coach and head into FA and on to the draft things should settle down.

yeah thats probably where I'll start getting excited again. Look I think we have a lot of talent here and cap room (Thank you Heckert

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I don't like what just happened I think we had an excellent OC n DC to have continuity with but with all that we have at hand in foundation, draft picks and FA money - its almost the blind squirrel thing...We should be successful in 2014 regardless.

My only problem ddubbia is I think they forgot our players are Human Being and although employees the industry is based on emotion, trust and believing in the organization.

I know they jeopardized that relationship...just from the tweets, and quotes. I cannot remember that many reactions from the players. Except for maybe the guys Mangini brought in.

I'm afraid we are going to lose some of that foundation. Mack does he sign...for What? The Owner/FO just set the precedent on loyalty, stability and continuity.

Ward does he sign??? this was a D made for him...Assuming Horton gets a job as a HC or DC you think Ward will not follow him?

We never really had too many successful drafted players to re-sign but if they don't play for us does this become some vicious cycle and we end up losing our foundation?!?

That is the part most of all that worries me, getting these kids to buy in one more time.

JMHO

Crazy to me that Josh McDaniels is considered a candidate for head coaching position. Based upon what? Cronyism in the first degree.

I see no report showing McDaniels being considered by any other team??

Just like no other team was interested in Weeden in the first round.

Why is it that no other team looking for head coach is interested in McDaniels?

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Crazy to me that Josh McDaniels is considered a candidate for head coaching position. Based upon what? Cronyism in the first degree.

*cough* Pat Shurmur *cough*

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I know if i was successful in college the nfl would be waaay down on my wish list... this guy can write his own ticket there for years.

I'd remind him about Gene Chizik if I interviewed him in regards to this. Auburn has proved that a recent National Championship means nothing in retaining employment.

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I know if i was successful in college the nfl would be waaay down on my wish list... this guy can write his own ticket there for years.

I'd remind him about Gene Chizik if I interviewed him in regards to this. Auburn has proved that a recent National Championship means nothing in retaining employment.

excellent point.... maybe a crack in the Auburn armour? Of all the names I see out there this guy is my favorite, which of course means we wont get him.... sounds like BBS ( Battered Browns Syndrome)

doesnt it?

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Crazy to me that Josh McDaniels is considered a candidate for head coaching position. Based upon what? Cronyism in the first degree.

*cough* Pat Shurmur *cough*

Like I said before.. this has the feeling of Holmgren / Shurmer 2.0 doesnt it?

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100% - what will it take to pry him away from Auburn I wonder....I know if i was successful in college the nfl would be waaay down on my wish list... this guy can write his own ticket there for years.

I never understood the draw of the NFL either. Especially if you are running a good college program...

College towns are cool towns to live in, you get to control the media, you don't have to put in 18 hour days, and you're not dealing with multi-million dollar egomaniacs. I know college football players have their issues as well (they're 18-22 year olds, of course they do) but it's the lesser of two evils.

I think you get more rope too. You usually get a few years. The NFL is now becoming a 1-2 year show me what you can do league.

I can understand Nick Saban going from Alabama to Texas (even though it didn't happen) because I think his job would have gotten easier, but when I look back on him possibly going back to the NFL, it just didn't make sense. I think Nick knows he makes a huge impact at the collegiate level.

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I know if i was successful in college the nfl would be waaay down on my wish list... this guy can write his own ticket there for years.

I'd remind him about Gene Chizik if I interviewed him in regards to this. Auburn has proved that a recent National Championship means nothing in retaining employment.

heck, Auburn might fire him for losing in the National Title game!

I had similar thoughts
McD = Shurmur

I do think he has a better football mind and he does have that one stint already as HC.

But similar that its the tree of the GM...who didn't have a say in the Chud hire - Haslam and Banner did those interviews. So considering Haslam say that was such a big mistake probably he gives Lombardi the reigns on the hire. Another reason I am 99% sure its McD...I have a lot more hope for McD than Shurmur cause Holmgren wanted control of the offensive make up...McD should have a free hand.

The biggest peeve I got on McD is that as mentioned I think getting the kids back on board believing is so so important...and he was the type that couldn't win over players that much in Denver...will it be more of the same?

JMHO - but yeah I don't see his name mentioned much outside of coming here.

I don't mean to say Josh McDaniels = Pat Shurmur.

To me, McDaniels is far more competent than that dim bulb Shurmur ever was. I just think this whole "search" stinks a lot like the Shurmur hire did. Making a thinly-veiled attempt to give the appearance of exhausting all the candidates to produce, well, kind of a turd.

A pre-determined turd.

Just read this from Mary Kay...

CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Browns are very interested in Auburn coach Gus Malzahn and Vanderbilt coach James Franklin for their head coaching vacancy, and are expected to hire fired Lions coach Jim Schwartz as defensive coordinator, league sources have told CBS Sports' Jason LaCanfora.

All are clients of super-agent Jimmy Sexton, who also represents Browns candidate Josh McDaniels, the offensive coordinator of the New England Patriots whom the Browns have received permission to interview.

Sexton has strong ties to Browns general manager Mike Lombardi dating back to Lombardi's first stint with the Browns in the early 1990s.

Don't tell me we got another freaking Holmgren thing where its the agent and not candidate....not written here but Jimmy Sexton is from Tennessee and supposedly a good friend of Haslam as well.

Oh linky dink:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/01/cleveland_browns_interested_in.html

Well you go shopping where you trust the food I guess...

According to Grossi's article this weekend this type of agent tree isn't as rare as one would think it would be in the NFL. I was shocked if it is indeed true (aka grain of salt with Grossi).............why would an FO limit itself to candidates based on agents??? I would love to hear anyone's rational opinion on this because I'm not sure I've go a good one...lol.

The only thing I can think of is the agent acts as a "union" of sorts. This way when a FO type like Lombardi gets hired it gives his agent's clients jobs, and insures they stay in the league a little longer. Conversely, when a new CEO like Banner gets hired (and I believe he is a Sexton guy as well) then Mikey Boy is on the short list to get back in the league do to his ties to Sexton and the fact that he scratched Sexton's back at previous stops.

This way guys get opportunity after opportunity to make it in the league because of the agent good old boy network............it's just a theory but is the only somewhat rational thing I came up with to explain why an FO would severely limit it's pool of potentials like that.

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Crazy to me that Josh McDaniels is considered a candidate for head coaching position. Based upon what? Cronyism in the first degree.

I see no report showing McDaniels being considered by any other team??

*cough* Pat Shurmur *cough*

With regards to McDaniels and Shurmur (at the time), what's concerning to me as well is that no other teams around the league are/were interviewing these guys.

Same could be said for Chudzinski, or Mangini. Hell, come to think of it, has the Browns organization hired any coach since 1999 that other organizations were interviewing that same year as a candidate? Crennel?

As for McDaniels, I think it begs the question that if all reports are true indicating he's such a brilliant, young mind and Brady gives him the utmost praise than surely teams should be lining up to interview the guy. No?

In the end, I think whomever we hire is going to have to sell himself to Haslem. I have a feeling Banner and Lombardi will be on a shorter leash moving forward.

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According to Grossi's article this weekend this type of agent tree isn't as rare as one would think it would be in the NFL. I was shocked if it is indeed true (aka grain of salt with Grossi).............why would an FO limit itself to candidates based on agents??? I would love to hear anyone's rational opinion on this because I'm not sure I've go a good one...lol.

The only thing I can think of is the agent acts as a "union" of sorts. This way when a FO type like Lombardi gets hired it gives his agent's clients jobs, and insures they stay in the league a little longer. Conversely, when a new CEO like Banner gets hired (and I believe he is a Sexton guy as well) then Mikey Boy is on the short list to get back in the league do to his ties to Sexton and the fact that he scratched Sexton's back at previous stops.

This way guys get opportunity after opportunity to make it in the league because of the agent good old boy network............it's just a theory but is the only somewhat rational thing I came up with to explain why an FO would severely limit it's pool of potentials like that.

And the agent probably offers a kick-back to the guys doing the hiring.... e.g., if Banner has Sexton as his agent, Sexton collected a portion of Banner's contract when he signed. Sexton could then offer Banner a discount on future deals, or a flat kick-back, if he hires Sexton clients for other jobs as that puts even more money into Sexton's pocket.

And what you then have is the guys running the show effectively bilking the franchise for their own gains.

I cannot believe how ridiculous it is to hire a defensive coordinator before hiring a head coach. Are you *freaking* kidding me. All that says to me is that either 1) this whole thing is a charade and they already know who they're getting as HC (read: McDaniels) or 2) the president/GM want a coach who is a "yes sir/no sir" type... exactly what we saw from Chudzinski when he was hired. If it's case 2, it's going to be awkward *again* when the media is asking the coach to explain personnel decisions and the HC will have to try to interpret the moves of the FO on the fly.

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According to Grossi's article this weekend this type of agent tree isn't as rare as one would think it would be in the NFL. I was shocked if it is indeed true (aka grain of salt with Grossi).............why would an FO limit itself to candidates based on agents??? I would love to hear anyone's rational opinion on this because I'm not sure I've go a good one...lol.

Grossi also noted, that this only happens if an organization allows it to happen. He also pointed out that successful franchises like the Giants, Ravens, Packers Steelers etc. do not have such "gentleman agreements" where agents wield such influence.

As far as Schwartz possibly being hired as DC before the coach is announced is completely lame. Get this dog and pony show over with already if that's the case.

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I really like Gus Malzahn and Franklin. Gase is another hot guy.

Malzahn really showed that he knows how to game plan for a team last night. That was incredible. Both offensively and defensively, he zeroed in on Fl. State's weaknesses and exploited them.

Franklin is very bright and a great motivator. I just read that he might go to Penn State, though. Additionally, Vandy's AD said he would fight to keep him, including upgrading the team's facilities. The Browns have been trying to get him to interview, but haven't landed an interview yet. The Skins were supposed to interview him this week, but that may change. Darn.

Gase was hand-picked by Manning to be his OC this year because Peyton respected the guy's football intelligence. He replaced Mike McCoy--who was the guy I was pimping last year. McCoy did a great job in SD and his offense was much better than Norv's. They cut down on the sacks and turnovers. They were much more efficient under McCoy than Norv. Rivers revitalized his career and actually had a great year.

Unlike most, I was pretty high on McDaniels. I really do think he is a bright guy. I think he is innovative. However, I am hoping that Lombardi is pushed into a role that is in the background and McDaniels is Lombardi's guy.

I don't want any part of some of the retreads. I am glad we didn't get Lovie Smith. I don't want Gruden. I don't want Billick.

I want an young and bright offensive coordinator or a dynamic college coach. I know that Chud was an OC, but was he high on the list of any other team besides us?

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I really like Gus Malzahn and Franklin. Gase is another hot guy.

Malzahn really showed that he knows how to game plan for a team last night. That was incredible. Both offensively and defensively, he zeroed in on Fl. State's weaknesses and exploited them.

Franklin is very bright and a great motivator. I just read that he might go to Penn State, though. Additionally, Vandy's AD said he would fight to keep him, including upgrading the team's facilities. The Browns have been trying to get him to interview, but haven't landed an interview yet. The Skins were supposed to interview him this week, but that may change. Darn.

Gase was hand-picked by Manning to be his OC this year because Peyton respected the guy's football intelligence. He replaced Mike McCoy--who was the guy I was pimping last year. McCoy did a great job in SD and his offense was much better than Norv's. They cut down on the sacks and turnovers. They were much more efficient under McCoy than Norv. Rivers revitalized his career and actually had a great year.

Unlike most, I was pretty high on McDaniels. I really do think he is a bright guy. I think he is innovative. However, I am hoping that Lombardi is pushed into a role that is in the background and McDaniels is Lombardi's guy.

I don't want any part of some of the retreads. I how glad we didn't get Lovie Smith. I don't want Gruden. I don't want Billick.

I want an young and bright offensive coordinator or a dynamic college coach. I know that Chud was an OC, but was he high on the list of any other team besides us?

good post vers. I agree with about everything you said... I do have concerns that McDaniels does not seem to be on anyone else's radar ....how can we read that?

1) We are the only ones that deem him worthy which is concerning or

2) Everybody else knows the deal is done and he is telling those decision makers via back channels not to bother with him. That is also concerning, IF TRUE, because that tells me that there is no "no stone unturned" search and we are being lied too.

You may remember our debate when Banner first came here.. I was concerned we traded one egomaniac for another, those concerns are rising again, again IF.. IF #2 is true this smacks of cronyism and scares the hell out of me.

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I cannot believe how ridiculous it is to hire a defensive coordinator before hiring a head coach. Are you *freaking* kidding me. All that says to me is that either 1) this whole thing is a charade and they already know who they're getting as HC (read: McDaniels) or 2) the president/GM want a coach who is a "yes sir/no sir" type... exactly what we saw from Chudzinski when he was hired. If it's case 2, it's going to be awkward *again* when the media is asking the coach to explain personnel decisions and the HC will have to try to interpret the moves of the FO on the fly.

If we hire a defensive coordinator before our head coach we should be penalized from the league for dumb s*** like this. It's one of the oddest things I've ever heard and do not understand it. Isn't the head coach allowed to pick his O/D coordinators, like pretty much who ever he wants? The way we do things is so unorthodox.

remember guys,

i'm not saying it isn't dumb, but they may already have a HC they want to hire but can't legally do it right now, so they already getting some of the staff the HC wants in place.

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remember guys,

i'm not saying it isn't dumb, but they may already have a HC they want to hire but can't legally do it right now, so they already getting some of the staff the HC wants in place.

Good Point Swish interviewed Horton and used to meet Rooney Rule.

Hiring Schwartz as the next DC is not a bad thing. He did well in Tenn..

Another good hire Jim Haslett.

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NASHVILLE — It was not long after Jim Schwartz began an unpaid internship with the old Cleveland Browns, driving scouts and players to the airport, and buying cigarettes for the coaches, that he bumped up against football’s poured-in-concrete conventional wisdom.

Schwartz, now the defensive coordinator for the Tennessee Titans, had an economics degree from Georgetown University, an abiding fascination with statistics and a preference for watching game film over television. That made him a kindred spirit with his first N.F.L. boss, Bill Belichick. But when Schwartz told Belichick his findings from an early N.F.L. research project almost 15 years ago, Belichick said he did not believe him.

“Fumbles are a random occurrence,” Schwartz said he told Belichick. “Being able to get interceptions or not throw interceptions has a high correlation with good teams. But over the course of a year, good teams don’t fumble any more or less than bad teams. Bill didn’t agree. He said, ‘No, good teams don’t fumble the ball.’ But actually, they fumble just as often as bad teams.”

With the Titans, Schwartz once encouraged the former offensive coordinator Norm Chow to run more on third-and-short because his research indicated that it was more effective than passing.

Unorthodox thinking like that has earned Schwartz, 42, a reputation as one of the N.F.L.’s leading practitioners of statistical analysis — “Moneyball” for the shoulder-pad set — using them in coaching the defense for the league’s only unbeaten team.

In Schwartz’s eighth season as the coordinator, the Titans’ defense is ranked sixth entering Sunday’s game here against the Jets (7-3). The ranking is based on yards surrendered.

“Who cares who is leading in yardage?” Schwartz said, pointing out that allowing a 12-yard run raises the total but is meaningless on a third-and-20 play.

No statistic matters more to coaches than fewest points allowed, and by that measure, no team comes close to the Titans (10-0). They are giving up 13.1 points a game, 1.4 points fewer than the second-ranked Pittsburgh Steelers. But Schwartz, perhaps more aware than most of how numbers can be manipulated, did not embrace that figure without explanation.

The Titans gave up their most points of the season, 21, to Indianapolis. But the Colts scored 7 points with little time remaining, when the Titans were leading by 17. Against Kansas City, the Titans allowed 10 late points after the starters were pulled in a 34-10 victory. So the Titans average fewer than 13.1 meaningful points allowed.

With an offense that relies on the run, not downfield passing, the Titans are built to win close (read playoff) games. That leaves the defense with little margin for error.

The Titans are defined by multitalented players who are effective in different styles. The Titans used eight-man fronts to stop Jacksonville’s running game in the season opener, then played a cover-2 defense to thwart Cincinnati’s passing the next week.

With a line featuring Albert Haynesworth, perhaps the league’s best defensive player, the Titans generate pressure on quarterbacks with minimal blitzing. (An addendum to Schwartz’s fumble analysis: good teams sack the quarterback, and forcing a quarterback to fumble is a lot easier than taking the ball from a running back or a wide receiver.)

Players credit the defensive coaches for their ability to correct mistakes quickly — the Chicago Bears converted three consecutive third-down attempts on their opening drive against the Titans, but none the rest of the game — and for the detailed preparation that dovetails with what linebacker Keith Bulluck called Schwartz’s “little hobbies.”

Kyle Vanden Bosch said: “Especially from a defensive lineman standpoint, we don’t usually pay attention to formations and down and distance. He has that broken down for us. We know what to expect out of certain formations, and what plays they can run. It’s unusual for a defensive line. But we have a quiz in front of the whole defense on Friday, and he expects everybody to know that.”

Belichick regards Schwartz as one of the smartest coaches he has been around, and in recent years, Schwartz has become a candidate for several head coaching jobs. He is almost certain to be a front-runner as positions open this year.

But being known as a “stats guy” is not necessarily a compliment, because statistics do not hold the romantic place in football that they do in baseball. Although every coach uses plenty of data — the Titans’ Jeff Fisher tracks how long his team takes to break the huddle — football is unlikely to bestow statistics-driven celebrity on anyone the way the baseball book “Moneyball” did on Billy Beane, the general manager of the Oakland Athletics.

Schwartz has met with the developers of a computer program to analyze difficult play-calling decisions, and he has watched film with Aaron Schatz, an author of “Pro Football Prospectus,” who uses unusual statistics to analyze the game. But at the same time, Schwartz shuns the impression that creates, stressing that statistics are just another tool in game preparation.

“Sometimes, that’s an easy thing for people in the media to use against you,” Schwartz said. “ ‘Oh, yeah, he can’t adjust; he’s just a stats guy. They don’t really understand the game.’ That’s why sometimes, the whole stats thing is a dirty word.

“If you ask me, Would you rather have a great fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants guy on Sunday, a guy who can dial up plays and he’d be the best in league, or a guy who is best in the league from Monday to Saturday preparing, I respect the guy who prepares. You’re not always going to be rolling 7, 7, 7 and be hot every week. But if you prepare well during the week, you’ll be consistent from week to week.”

Numbers have long threaded through Schwartz’s thinking. His father was a police officer, and when they watch television together and see a news report about a murder, his father will mention what percentage of women are murdered by their husbands. When Schwartz was growing up in Baltimore, the Dallas Cowboys were the best team in football. They used a computer analysis of prospects as part of their forward-thinking draft preparation.

“They used that not to press a button and have the computer say, ‘This is your draft pick,’ ” Schwartz said. “It was more to guide them — these are important traits to look for. That’s the way we use it.”

The 16-game season provides a small sample, a shortcoming of football statistics. So Schwartz breaks down each drive as if it were its own game. Twelve drives, say, multiplied by 16 games is a much bigger sample.

Yet Schwartz rejects one Beane quirk revealed in “Moneyball” — that he does not like to watch games because he cannot stand how random events may influence the outcome. Schwartz, a former college linebacker, calls the defensive signals from the sideline rather than the press box, so he can look at his players and gauge their physical feedback. The Titans’ attacking style — what Vanden Bosch called “forcing the issue” — seems to run counter to the by-the-numbers image that makes Schwartz uncomfortable.

“This guy is a football coach who motivates players,” Schatz said, “and he also happens to have a very open mind and interest in statistics. But he’s not like me on the sidelines.”

Still, with Tennessee on the way to the playoffs, the Titans’ pounding defense — and the mind that directs it — figure to get plenty of attention. Schwartz cringes when he thinks others perceive him as a numbers geek, an odd concern for an avid amateur chess player who uses Bobby Fischer and Garry Kasparov analogies.

“People talk about the chess match between coaches and coordinators,” Schwartz said. “Anybody who plays chess knows your rook never falls down, your rook never stops one spot short. There’s human nature to football that will never make it into a game of numbers.”

Schwartz would be awful. He should be considered when he doesn't want to run a Wide 9.

First I heard of it was with Holmgren's search...started to miss trust the regime at that point...even though I backed them on the boards. But didn't like the smell of that.

I see its a common thing except with franchises with major success...the only good news is this agent has a lot of good clients.

McD might be off the table till after the Super Bowl...hope the Pats beat the Colts to eliminate their #31/#32 pick in the draft. Then I hope they lose to the Broncos so that we can get this done!

In our meeting with McD he might have spelled out who his coordinators would be...every coach who dreams of being a HC and goes to these interviews usually spell out their plan and have a team of asst. coaches lined up.

Question is - McDaniels HC, Schwartz DC (hope he knows the 3-4 well) n McAdoo OC??? or is McAdoo one of those asst. HC guys so they cannot get hired as a Coordinator?

Right now that is probably the best staff that can be compiled - all have the same agent I believe but at least this agent has many many good candidates as opposed to the Holmgren agent.

Was this discussed at the McD meeting and we are getting them all together?

JMHO n ???

thats what i was thinking, they are interviewing other guys just to go through the motions, but whoever the HC will be already told the FO who they want for Coords.

so if that is the case, than hiring the DC or OC before the official hire of the HC, there isn't anything wrong with that.

my question is, are the Coords allowed to talk to the players and get them playbooks and such? or is there like a timeframe after the season they are suppose to do that?

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thats what i was thinking, they are interviewing other guys just to go through the motions, but whoever the HC will be already told the FO who they want for Coords.

so if that is the case, than hiring the DC or OC before the official hire of the HC, there isn't anything wrong with that.

my question is, are the Coords allowed to talk to the players and get them playbooks and such? or is there like a timeframe after the season they are suppose to do that?

if that is the case then I am very disappointed... IF TRUE then we did NO in depth search for a new HC, there was not due diligence, there was no, "no stoned unturned " search... and we were lied to ... AGAIN. The hole just keeps getting deeper and it would again solidify just how stupid Haslam and Banner think we are.

I think I need to avoid browns news for a while this is just psiing me off more every day... ugh we are so much like sheep for this franchise. Thank you sir can I have another and oh by the way here is my wallet take whatever you need.

How many people do they have to interview until it's enough?

If they interview 3 people, and like the 3rd guy, why should they keep looking?

Are they going to interview EVERY former HC/OC/DC in the NFL? No, they are going to target some people, talk to them. And then get someone...

Most of the people being talked about for other jobs interviewed here last year, so they obviously aren't going to go back and talk to guys they didn't pick last year...

IMO the HC almost "doesn't matter" to me, because if you get a good to great QB on this team, then you'll win...

Maybe they just like this Gase guy so much they're willing to wait.

I don't know anything about him. I just think it's interesting that nothing has heated up with this search. It seems like they're going through the motions right now.

I wonder how "excited" for next season this board would be had we not made any staff changes...

Hoyer coming back, Draft picks to get a QB, Everyone having a year in the system...

Oh well..

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I wonder how "excited" for next season this board would be had we not made any staff changes...

Hoyer coming back, Draft picks to get a QB, Everyone having a year in the system...

Oh well..

I was on board with it.

Right now the only thing that would excite me is a first round QB, which I think we can all say is pretty close to a sure thing.

Nothing against the new coach, but I could care less about what he says in his press conference, because I'm a Browns fan, and I've heard it before. Blah, blah, blah.

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I wonder how "excited" for next season this board would be had we not made any staff changes...

Hoyer coming back, Draft picks to get a QB, Everyone having a year in the system...

Oh well..

Yeah, I know I was excited for the possibilities.

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How many people do they have to interview until it's enough?

If they interview 3 people, and like the 3rd guy, why should they keep looking?

Are they going to interview EVERY former HC/OC/DC in the NFL? No, they are going to target some people, talk to them. And then get someone...

Most of the people being talked about for other jobs interviewed here last year, so they obviously aren't going to go back and talk to guys they didn't pick last year...

IMO the HC almost "doesn't matter" to me, because if you get a good to great QB on this team, then you'll win...

lets see they interviewed Quinn, ok then Bowles to satisfy the Rooney rule, if we think it was anythng more than that then we are being naive and they interviewed Mcdaniels. So you saying Mcdaniels blew them away and they stopped the search then ? Right... and they had no link to JM beforehand... ok and he wasnt the predetermined choice of Lombardi... otay then.

Your right, sounds like an exhaustive search that according to Haslam... " will leave no stone untrurned to find the right coach" and all those other FO, looking for coaches, not even talking to Mcdaniels? Either they do not consider him a viable candidate ( I guess they are just stupid and we are genious) or it is already a done deal, which by extension indicates it was a done deal weeks ago.

Listen if JM is the choice then he is the choice and i will back him until he is no longer the choice... it is what we do... but if he is the choice dont try to sell me there was a great search... isnt this the same thing we saw with the Lombardi hire.... leopards and spots I guess.

Tab,

McAdoo is represented by agent Bob LaMonte.

Kind a makes you wonder how those contract negotiations will go being Banner dropped Holmgren and the gang!

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I wonder how "excited" for next season this board would be had we not made any staff changes...

Hoyer coming back, Draft picks to get a QB, Everyone having a year in the system...

Oh well..

Thats what I was hoping for...you know the stuff that normal teams do

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How many people do they have to interview until it's enough?

If they interview 3 people, and like the 3rd guy, why should they keep looking?

Are they going to interview EVERY former HC/OC/DC in the NFL? No, they are going to target some people, talk to them. And then get someone...

Most of the people being talked about for other jobs interviewed here last year, so they obviously aren't going to go back and talk to guys they didn't pick last year...

IMO the HC almost "doesn't matter" to me, because if you get a good to great QB on this team, then you'll win...

How many times does an employer hire an employee without going through at least two interviews? Okay, maybe McDonald's, but this is for but a handful of these positions on the planet.

If the HC "almost doesn't matter", then why have one?

And why pay them so much?

I think we missed out on Charlie Strong. He should have Texas set up for years, despite what that racist Red McCombs has to say about it.

I never even considered Strong. I would still prefer Franklin from Vandy. He has turned around that team and turned it into a winner in what many would say is the toughest conference in all of college football. This, with presumably lesser quality recruits (and thereby, lesser talent) than his competition in the conference.

That's part of why I prefer him. He's proven that he can get the job done. I know that he was highly sought after for the Penn State job, but it seems that cooled quite a bit.

And he is still to have his interview with the Browns.

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I cannot believe how ridiculous it is to hire a defensive coordinator before hiring a head coach. Are you *freaking* kidding me. All that says to me is that either 1) this whole thing is a charade and they already know who they're getting as HC (read: McDaniels) or 2) the president/GM want a coach who is a "yes sir/no sir" type... exactly what we saw from Chudzinski when he was hired. If it's case 2, it's going to be awkward *again* when the media is asking the coach to explain personnel decisions and the HC will have to try to interpret the moves of the FO on the fly.

I think it is case 2.

My assumption is there is a HUGE stipulation that if you want to be the HC of this team, that the FO gets say in all personnel picked in the draft. The new coach has to play with the FO's guys.
And that is why nobody with a lick of sense is going to want to coach here.
Unless of course they are willing to take the abuse for a huge pile of money and a small resume for a short stint in Cleveland

So maybe this thread should be named...
...Who's going to be the guy willing to be the new puppet?

JMHO.

or case 3, which I left out somehow, that the inevitable hiring of Schwartz as DC is total BS.

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thats what i was thinking, they are interviewing other guys just to go through the motions, but whoever the HC will be already told the FO who they want for Coords.

so if that is the case, than hiring the DC or OC before the official hire of the HC, there isn't anything wrong with that.

my question is, are the Coords allowed to talk to the players and get them playbooks and such? or is there like a timeframe after the season they are suppose to do that?

if that is the case then I am very disappointed... IF TRUE then we did NO in depth search for a new HC, there was not due diligence, there was no, "no stoned unturned " search... and we were lied to ... AGAIN. The hole just keeps getting deeper and it would again solidify just how stupid Haslam and Banner think we are.

I think I need to avoid browns news for a while this is just psiing me off more every day... ugh we are so much like sheep for this franchise. Thank you sir can I have another and oh by the way here is my wallet take whatever you need.

Y'all assume too much and then draw conclusions that are not factual.

Does anyone every apologize for making outlandish statements and then being proven to be completely wrong anymore?

Ever?

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thats what i was thinking, they are interviewing other guys just to go through the motions, but whoever the HC will be already told the FO who they want for Coords.

so if that is the case, than hiring the DC or OC before the official hire of the HC, there isn't anything wrong with that.

my question is, are the Coords allowed to talk to the players and get them playbooks and such? or is there like a timeframe after the season they are suppose to do that?

if that is the case then I am very disappointed... IF TRUE then we did NO in depth search for a new HC, there was not due diligence, there was no, "no stoned unturned " search... and we were lied to ... AGAIN. The hole just keeps getting deeper and it would again solidify just how stupid Haslam and Banner think we are.

I think I need to avoid browns news for a while this is just psiing me off more every day... ugh we are so much like sheep for this franchise. Thank you sir can I have another and oh by the way here is my wallet take whatever you need.

Y'all assume too much and then draw conclusions that are not factual.

Does anyone every apologize for making outlandish statements and then being proven to be completely wrong anymore?

Ever?

gee sorry Vers I was taking my son to the chiropractor for his bad disc so I didn't have time to run to the website and issue you a formal apology.

If you read the above .. I qualified my statement by saying IF TRUE.. but hey why let that get in the way of poster bashing right?

I love this news, not because no McDaniel, unlike some I do have such in-depth knowledge that I know a coach will be good or suck, but as DDUBIA put it in another thread -- this will force the FO to actually do an in depth search and not give it lip service cronyism and for that I am glad.

So excuse me for feeling that talking to three guys is not a "no stones unturned search" - I will gladly eat crow and for the record I do note when I am wrong what I don't do is shout from the rooftops when I am right.

Threre, that better

Better?

You completely missed my intent.

Y'all bash them for considering McDaniels and then bash them for not hiring McDaniels.

Okie dokie.

Carry on w/the bitter hatred.

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Better?

You completely missed my intent.

Y'all bash them for considering McDaniels and then bash them for not hiring McDaniels.

Okie dokie.

Carry on w/the bitter hatred.

Where did I bash them for not hiring McDaniels.... my only bash has been consistent... the lack of a search... bitter hatred... pot meet kettle.

Pot meet kettle?

I wasn't bashing you. I am trying to reason w/you.

FYI: all you have to do is follow the news and you can see they have been in contact w/many potential coaches.

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Y'all

You have definitely been living in the south...

But I love that terminology...

This seems to be an odd year for coaching replacements.... Not only have we not filled the position... neither have several other teams... And not a whole lot of names being thrown out as usual...

I don't much feel like assuming who it's going to be... been assuming to much with this organization.... kind of burnt out...

once again...best of luck to who ever....but I won't be excited...until I see a season that we clinch a play-off birth....

Wait to I whip out my "All Y'all...."

Coaches? Who knows? I am hoping for Gus, Franklin, or Gase.

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or case 3, which I left out somehow, that the inevitable hiring of Schwartz as DC is total BS.

Clevesteve... I some what believe it is BS my self.....Take a look at the coaching staff as of now....Take note... all the names remain the same..except for one....

www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/coaches.html

Franklin...

What am I missing on this guy...Maybe whats on paper doesn't show what all he is...

Are we looking at another Mangini experiment ?

Mangini experiment? How so?

Franklin is a very hot collegiate coach. He has turned around Vandy's program. Penn State is interested in him. So are other NFL teams. His AD said he would "fight" to keep him at Vandy, including spending big dollars on upgrading the team's facilities.

Not sure what you mean about the Mangini comparison?

Glad that McDaniels removed himself. didn't want anything to do with him here.

They just better get it right whoever they pick to be next coach.

will be interesting to see who the oc and dc are going to be also.

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Not sure what you mean about the Mangini comparison?

Me neither... I totally meant Butch Davis...Not much of an excuse... but age and the fact I been plowing and salting snow at all times of the day and night has me more confused than normal...which doesn't say a lot...

Vers... the guy is 24 -15... whats so special about that ?

Butch was 63-43 in collage and 24-34 in the NFL......

I guess that's my comparison...

Oh............okay. LOL

His record is special because 24 and 15 looks pretty darn good considering Vandy was:

4 and 20 in the two previous years before Franklin got there and they have been perennial losers for decades. Do a search.............you'll see.

I did do a search...maybe I need to go into more depth... being 4-4 in their conference is better than what the Browns did in theirs....Can't argue that..

Well my hope is Malzahn, we'll see if the Browns can pry him away from Auburn, doubtful but I still got hope.

The one guy who truely concerns me Gase, I mean most top tier QBs (Brady, Brees, Manning) could probably not use an OC and still be okay. How bad can you look when Peyton Manning is your QB leading an offense with 3 plus WRs, a plus TE and a plus RB.

JC

Penn State has offered Franklin its HC job.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...aching-position

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Does anyone every apologize for making outlandish statements and then being proven to be completely wrong anymore?

Ever?

I would but I am never ever wrong

jc

I really can't feel any "suspense" or "excitement" in this HC search. Guess I'm in apathy-land as so many other Browns fans these days. Don't really care who we hire or not, as to me the bigger question and problem is atop of whoever will coach, that's my conclusion of Chud's (and his staff's) firing.

The fish rots from the top, that's the way I see it, so any discussion what happens below that hierarchy seems like semantics (fill in the name). We still have Jimmy, Joe and Mikey running the draft with reportedly new scouts with little actual pro scouting background. Any new HC probably won't have much say anyway.

I'm actually down to hoping that Haslam calls all shots from here on out and goes all Jerry Jones on us, be it the nomination of a HC or drafting looking over nfl.com and cbs.com prospects rankings. That was my biggest fear when they took over and is now my biggest "hope". Guess it means I don't have next to nothing of it left as of now.

Maybe they can change that with a good offseason. This is a VERY important offseason. Even more possibilities than in 2009 and 2012 since there's more cap than in those seasons. Mangini and Heckert/Holmgren failed to deliver in those, now it's do or die time for those guys. They sure didn't help themselves by installing new-everything to go along with it. They have to hit something like .750 to get out of this looking good or they need a Jake Taylor bunt after HR call with a steal of home to go along with it. You know, something "bold" that actually is productive too. Right now, their boldness has been nothing but hot air and looked pale on the field. More like a HR call followed up with a GIDP or pop up.

I guess there's always hope, but when you're down to it, as a Browns fan, you start to get the "pattern" of not expecting much feeling.

We will see, but for me the bigger stories this offseason is what happens with Mack and Ward, in FA and in the draft than who they hire as their puppet HC whom they can tell who to cut or play.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but we've interviewed four coaches so far. Bowles and Quinn both run a 4-3 defense and McAdo and James Franklin both run a WCO. Now I was hoping for some consistency in schemes as we did just waste a 1st round pick on a 3-4 OLB. It would also be nice to see us keep up with the Air Coryell so we can keep Flash as productive and playmaking as possible.

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Penn State has offered Franklin its HC job.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...aching-position

I hope that he makes them wait for a decision until after interviewing with the Browns.

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Penn State has offered Franklin its HC job.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...aching-position

I hope that he makes them wait for a decision until after interviewing with the Browns.

Said he's expected to make his decision by today.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...unts-busy-week/

But Browns are interviewing Whisenhunt.

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Penn State has offered Franklin its HC job.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...aching-position

I hope that he makes them wait for a decision until after interviewing with the Browns.

Said he's expected to make his decision by today.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...unts-busy-week/

But Browns are interviewing Whisenhunt.

I don't mind Whisenhunt. He did a fabulous job while there. During the Super Bowl run, he did have some really good players though. Not sure we have the same caliber here...as yet.

Whisenhunt was in my top 3 last year. Zimmer was #1. I don't remember who the 3rd guy was so Whisenhunt may have been 2 or 3.

But I thought the Browns said they were no going to consider people they interviewed last season?

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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but we've interviewed four coaches so far. Bowles and Quinn both run a 4-3 defense and McAdo and James Franklin both run a WCO. Now I was hoping for some consistency in schemes as we did just waste a 1st round pick on a 3-4 OLB. It would also be nice to see us keep up with the Air Coryell so we can keep Flash as productive and playmaking as possible.

I thought Bowles was a 3-4 guy.

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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but we've interviewed four coaches so far. Bowles and Quinn both run a 4-3 defense and McAdo and James Franklin both run a WCO. Now I was hoping for some consistency in schemes as we did just waste a 1st round pick on a 3-4 OLB. It would also be nice to see us keep up with the Air Coryell so we can keep Flash as productive and playmaking as possible.

I thought Bowles was a 3-4 guy.

He prefers the 4-3, but can run a 3-4. Arizona just wasn't set up to run the 4-3 last season.

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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but we've interviewed four coaches so far. Bowles and Quinn both run a 4-3 defense and McAdo and James Franklin both run a WCO. Now I was hoping for some consistency in schemes as we did just waste a 1st round pick on a 3-4 OLB. It would also be nice to see us keep up with the Air Coryell so we can keep Flash as productive and playmaking as possible.

Consistency? Good one. They just fired the HC who was supposed to be "their last for years to come". It's either a new Offense or new D, maybe even both.

And Whisenhunt? The guy they interviewed twice last year? So much for not looking at anyone from last year, lol, but who counts the lies by now...

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Well my hope is Malzahn, we'll see if the Browns can pry him away from Auburn, doubtful but I still got hope.

The one guy who truely concerns me Gase, I mean most top tier QBs (Brady, Brees, Manning) could probably not use an OC and still be okay. How bad can you look when Peyton Manning is your QB leading an offense with 3 plus WRs, a plus TE and a plus RB.

I've kinda not been paying a lot of attention lately and I think I'm a little behind the times, But did Malzahn interview with the Browns yet? or is this just more media speculation.

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Well my hope is Malzahn, we'll see if the Browns can pry him away from Auburn, doubtful but I still got hope.

The one guy who truely concerns me Gase, I mean most top tier QBs (Brady, Brees, Manning) could probably not use an OC and still be okay. How bad can you look when Peyton Manning is your QB leading an offense with 3 plus WRs, a plus TE and a plus RB.

I've kinda not been paying a lot of attention lately and I think I'm a little behind the times, But did Malzahn interview with the Browns yet? or is this just more media speculation.

Only speculation right now, and it's weak speculation. I'm starting to doubt that he's a serious candidate. What are they waiting for? You would think by now with the season over for Auburn, that there would at least be some kind of a rumor of a lined up interview. At the very least shouldn't he be interviewing with teams to get a fat raise from Auburn?

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But I thought the Browns said they were no going to consider people they interviewed last season?

and you believed something they said?

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Whisenhunt was in my top 3 last year. Zimmer was #1. I don't remember who the 3rd guy was so Whisenhunt may have been 2 or 3.

But I thought the Browns said they were no going to consider people they interviewed last season?

That is what they said.. but I see nothing wrong in changing their minds to interview Whisenhunt.

It does beg the question though, what was he driving force behind the Mcdaniels decision, sems that either we told him... meh we think we can do better or he has that under the table wink... wink... nod .. nod deal with the Pats, many have alluded too

IMO... I think Haslam told the FO, no on Mcdaniels and do a more in depth search... good for him and us.

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and you believed something they said?

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...f9-41759ccaa105

On if anyone on staff is a candidate for the opening and if the Browns will evaluate candidates who interviewed last year: Banner: “We’re still deciding on the first [question]. I don’t think there will be anybody from last year’s search who will be a candidate this year.”

I don't think is a lot different from "no we are not"

I remember them asking that question and Banner seemed to be thinking and trying to figure out if they planned on interviewing any of the same people, he said he didn't think they were.

Big difference.

JC...

Whisenhunt is a great interview. More evidence that Haslam is running the show and truly interested in getting the best candidate. I think Whisenhunt was close to being our coach last year, but Banner got in the way. This is a very interesting development. I keep waiting for the headline that reads "Banner no longer on Browns interview panel".

Banner and Lombardi have embarassed the hell out of Haslam. I really believe that Haslam...although I'm sure he has an ego the size of Texas....wants to get the best candidate and make the Browns winners...and he's not going to let his ego get in the way of that. He knows what he doesn't know and has opened up communication channels to seek advice outside of Banner and Lombardi, and he's listening. I am really starting to like him.

Banner, on the other hand...while also possessing an ego the size of Texas...combines that ego with arrogance. I don't think Haslam is arrogant. Banner wants to have a lot of say in everything...he wants his stamp all over every decision so he can take the credit for all the success. And he likes those decisions to be controversial so if they work out he can point to how smart he is. Whereas I think Haslam wants the Browns to be successful I think Banner wants Banner to be successful. I would love it if Haslam relegated him to business matters only.

Lombardi is just a bafoon of epic proportions. I wonder if he has an altar of Bellyache in his house. He knows nothing outside of Bill B. His affect on this organiztion concerns me the most. Where at least Banner is smart, I see no redeeming qualities in Lombardi.

Back to Whisenhunt....word is he didn't take the job last year because of Banner. Hmmm...makes me wonder why he would even interview again ....and of course his interview is a contradiction to Banners statement that no candidates from last year would be interviewed again....which was assinine to begin with.

Haslam is running this show now and honestly I think he's the best one to get this turned around.

Best news of the day. The thought of watching McDaniels running up and down the Cleveland sidelines was a poor visual.

Nobody but the Browns showed any interest in this guy? Wonder why?

Because the only thing he accomplished was under the cloak of Big Billy.

His time on his own was a disaster. He alienated everybody in Denver. Elway ran him off and look at the Broncos. Get a real head coach and a quarterback. Just what the doctor says to do and bingo.

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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but we've interviewed four coaches so far. Bowles and Quinn both run a 4-3 defense and McAdo and James Franklin both run a WCO. Now I was hoping for some consistency in schemes as we did just waste a 1st round pick on a 3-4 OLB. It would also be nice to see us keep up with the Air Coryell so we can keep Flash as productive and playmaking as possible.

I thought Bowles was a 3-4 guy.

He prefers the 4-3, but can run a 3-4. Arizona just wasn't set up to run the 4-3 last season.

CHSDawg, do you have proof Bowles prefers 4-3? I understand his schemes is a multi-front type. Bowles is great with triple A-gap pressure, and that’s almost impossible to pick up.

Bowles was a secondary coach for Dallas which ran the 3-4. When Bowles was hired by Miami they were still running the 4-3, but soon after Bowles got there they also made the conversion to a 3-4 under defensive coordinator Mike Nolan. Bowles has 3-4 experience and has seen a team through the conversion process from a 4-3 to a 3-4 base defense.

The All-22: Todd Bowles’ creativity makes Arizona’s defense the NFL’s best

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There are actually different kinds of 3-4 or 5-2 looks — the old Houston Oilers variant, which has been forwarded by teams such as the Steelers through the years, does feature more of the head-up alignment for its linemen. But there are other strains of the concept that have gained popularity — Wade Phillips has long espoused schemes in which 3-4 personnel are in one-gap alignments, and Pete Carroll has added a few wrinkles in his own hybrid defenses. What Bowles does up front is as multiple and aggressive as you’ll see from any NFL team — but somehow, the Cardinals are also able to keep things solid at the linebacker and secondary levels. As Greg Cosell of NFL Films and ESPN’s NFL Matchup told me this week, it’s because Bowles has perfectly married scheme and personnel.

“You have to start with the fact that they have some very good players,” Cosell said. “I know that’s clichéd, but they’ve got certain things that you need to have a good defense, if you’re just looking at talent. They’ve got a big-time, man-on-man cornerback in Patrick Peterson, which is critical in today’s NFL. They have two defensive linemen in Darnell Dockett and Calais Campbell who are really good players. Since Daryl Washington has been back [from his four-game suspension to open the season], they have two inside linebackers in Washington and Karlos Dansby who are both very athletic. Dansby’s long and athletic, and he’s playing very well. So, if you just look at the parts needed to have a good defense, they’ve got those kinds of players. Now, you could argue that they don’t have a pure pass-rusher, but this is where Bowles comes in. This team blitzes more than any team in the NFL, and they blitz more on first down than any team in the NFL, and they’re creative with their pressures. They’re also very good with disguise.”

Cosell knows Bowles fairly well from their Philly days, and while he’s always respected Horton’s defensive concepts, he puts forth the proposition that what Arizona is doing now is even more interesting.

“I would argue that Bowles is even more creative with his pressures than Horton. Because Horton, while he was very good, he was out of that Dick LeBeau/Dom Capers school. Not that it’s not creative, but there are certain blitz concepts that all those guys use. Bowles is great with triple A-gap pressure, and that’s almost impossible to pick up.”

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JC...

Whisenhunt is a great interview. More evidence that Haslam is running the show and truly interested in getting the best candidate. I think Whisenhunt was close to being our coach last year, but Banner got in the way. This is a very interesting development. I keep waiting for the headline that reads "Banner no longer on Browns interview panel".

Banner and Lombardi have embarassed the hell out of Haslam. I really believe that Haslam...although I'm sure he has an ego the size of Texas....wants to get the best candidate and make the Browns winners...and he's not going to let his ego get in the way of that. He knows what he doesn't know and has opened up communication channels to seek advice outside of Banner and Lombardi, and he's listening. I am really starting to like him.

Banner, on the other hand...while also possessing an ego the size of Texas...combines that ego with arrogance. I don't think Haslam is arrogant. Banner wants to have a lot of say in everything...he wants his stamp all over every decision so he can take the credit for all the success. And he likes those decisions to be controversial so if they work out he can point to how smart he is. Whereas I think Haslam wants the Browns to be successful I think Banner wants Banner to be successful. I would love it if Haslam relegated him to business matters only.

Lombardi is just a bafoon of epic proportions. I wonder if he has an altar of Bellyache in his house. He knows nothing outside of Bill B. His affect on this organiztion concerns me the most. Where at least Banner is smart, I see no redeeming qualities in Lombardi.

Back to Whisenhunt....word is he didn't take the job last year because of Banner. Hmmm...makes me wonder why he would even interview again ....and of course his interview is a contradiction to Banners statement that no candidates from last year would be interviewed again....which was assinine to begin with.

Haslam is running this show now and honestly I think he's the best one to get this turned around.

Yes, I think the Wisenhunt interview definitely prompts questions similar to what you've mentioned. Funny, that "no one will be interviewed from last year" has gone out the window. Perhaps Jimmy has not liked what he's seen so far in the candidates, the process, etc.

I think Wisenhunt would be a great candidate.

Good post. Whisenhunt would be a solid hire. And, it does appear on the surface that Haslem has taken control of the reigns. Lombardi is a complete waste of resources. He seemingly was hired because he was Banner's buddy. I can't see any other qualifications he possess. Hell, Belichik needed a GM for 3 years and didn't bother hiring this yahoo.

Like you say (paraphrasing here), Banner and Lombardi need to be told to sit down and shut-up.

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So basically Bowles is running Horton's defense with better players.

No. Horton runs a two gap scheme. Arizona DL did not like Horton's scheme because it was restricting. Primarily used to occupy lineman allowing second level to blitz predetermined gaps.

Bowles combines Wade Phillips and Romeo Crennel schemes using DL in blitz schemes. Allegedly, Bowles runs a even more aggressive defensive scheme.

Right now, you can say what you want about Haslam, but I think he's an idiot for either demanding or agreeing to firing Chud after one season.

I'm disliking the man... And Banner as well. Don't know what to think about Lombardi, he's in hiding..

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Right now, you can say what you want about Haslam, but I think he's an idiot for either demanding or agreeing to firing Chud after one season.

I'm disliking the man... And Banner as well. Don't know what to think about Lombardi, he's in hiding..

I don't know why they don't bring out Lombardi for the press.... Does he have that weak of a filter and they're terrified he'll say something regrettable? Why hire him then? It's not like his track record is something to behold...

I didn't know a ton about Joe Banner before he came to the Browns, but it just seems like he's driving away more candidates then he's bringing in...

Maybe it's just the media doing this so they can prepare their eventual articles for him being gone, but I still go back to the Chip Kelly thing, and that did seem really close. What told him no? Was it the roster, or did Joe insist on him not having some control?

I'm not going to hold any protest to get this guy out of Berea, but he's going to have to win me over and he's not done that to this point. Kind of getting tired of it. Seems like he's making things more difficult.

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Right now, you can say what you want about Haslam, but I think he's an idiot for either demanding or agreeing to firing Chud after one season.

I'm disliking the man... And Banner as well. Don't know what to think about Lombardi, he's in hiding..

I think that haslam realizes that his FO team is not a good as he thought, but right now there i slittle he can do save to erode some of their decision making powers and it seems he has done just that.

I have no proof but I am convinced that he was the force behind not getting Mcdaniels, just MHO of course, maybe just wishful thinking......IDK

Haslam seems a little naive on this NFL thing, but I would not call him an idiot.

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Haslam seems a little naive on this NFL thing, but I would not call him an idiot.

Certainly not an idiot, in fact I believe this past season has opened his eyes somewhat. Possibly he is starting to get this dysfunctional FO into some semblance of order...JMO, of course.

I think those of you guys who are starting to sniff Haslem as being behind some of the recent decisions on are on the right track.

Just a gut instinct.

Has it crossed any of your minds that our front office may actually be wanting to hire certain coordinators? I know what they've said. But, watching things over the past week or so...

What are the chances that they have some sort of agreement with Norv and Schwartz?

I know, its a long shot. But, its something that is in the back of my mind. I think they've at least thrown this around in their meetings.

I'll apologise Vers, if I have to.

What if it ends up being Whisenhut? Does he have it?

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I think those of you guys who are starting to sniff Haslem as being behind some of the recent decisions on are on the right track.

Just a gut instinct.

Has it crossed any of your minds that our front office may actually be wanting to hire certain coordinators? I know what they've said. But, watching things over the past week or so...

What are the chances that they have some sort of agreement with Norv and Schwartz?

I know, its a long shot. But, its something that is in the back of my mind. I think they've at least thrown this around in their meetings.

I'll apologise Vers, if I have to.

What if it ends up being Whisenhut? Does he have it?

my thing is, we already had 2 great Coords. for our team.

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my thing is, we already had 2 great Coords. for our team.

Who?

i think Norv and Horton were excellent Coords.

thats why i mean by "had".

To each his own opinion.

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Better?

You completely missed my intent.

Y'all bash them for considering McDaniels and then bash them for not hiring McDaniels.

In case you missed it, it was McDaniels who withdrew his name, not the FO who "refused to hire him". As of now, we'll never know if the FO would have hired him or not.

And another point, most everyone, you included, claim Mary Kay is a hack. Unless and until she makes claims you wish to hear. Then suddenly she's a gifted reporter with 100% accuracy.

Many didn't want McDaniels, myself include. I'm glad he withdrew his name

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Back to Whisenhunt....word is he didn't take the job last year because of Banner. Hmmm...makes me wonder why he would even interview again ....and of course his interview is a contradiction to Banners statement that no candidates from last year would be interviewed again....which was assinine to begin with.

Haslam is running this show now and honestly I think he's the best one to get this turned around.

I see what you did there

I'd take that "trade": Whisenhunt as HC and Banner/Lombo get the Haslam-boot. I wasn't impressed with the Chargers Offense in week 17 vs the Chiefs backups, and am not sure he's the franchise HC we're looking for, but getting rid of those other two clowns would be worth it. Addition by subtraction. If indeed Haslam pushes accountability towards those two after the Chud-fiasco and has grown impatient, then he's a quick learner….or still a hot head

I remember many of us saying he'd need to learn quick for the Browns to get successful again. I could excuse a couple of mis-steps like Banner/Lombo if he acts quickly AND hires better evaluators to run the football side of things. This could get interesting...

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I didn't know a ton about Joe Banner before he came to the Browns, but it just seems like he's driving away more candidates then he's bringing in...

Very few if any of us knew much about Banner before he got here and of course, there was a chorus of voices saying he was going to do this or do that..

Some things he did do, like bringing in Lombardi.

As for if he's scaring away candidates for the HC position, I honestly don't know. I'd say their actions regarding Chud and the coaching staff are more the cause if candidates are being scared off. JMO of course

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Whisenhunt was in my top 3 last year. Zimmer was #1. I don't remember who the 3rd guy was so Whisenhunt may have been 2 or 3.

But I thought the Browns said they were no going to consider people they interviewed last season?

It is one of either three things.

1. They changed their minds, or...

2. They lied, or...

3. They really aren't going to interview him.

I hear Lou Brown is available...

jc

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...oit-lions-today

"Per Rapoport, Whisenhunt will meet with the Detroit Lions on Thursday, the Tennessee Titans on Friday and the Cleveland Browns on Saturday. Whiz is viewed as the favorite in Detroit, so there's a chance he never makes it to one or both of the final two interviews."

Good, general HC-search article from a year ago worth re-reading: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...ng-an-nfl-coach

Funny, hypocritical article from a year ago: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...=ATL_newsdriver

and Franklin goes to PSU:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...r-at-penn-state

Franklin to Penn State

Good articles, both of them.

The last paragraph of the second article struck a nerve with me...

"There are currently seven head-coaching jobs open in the NFL. How many will be open again in three years? Probably three or four. Maybe then teams will realize failure isn't the fault of just one man; rather, it stems from the inability to help build the organization around the coach, the team's leader."

If this FO does not get behind and support their new coach then it will be the "same old Browns".

Whisenhunt is interviewing for 3 different HC jobs in the lead-up to the SD v. Denver game!

first, if true, that is absolutely ludicrous.

second, I thought there was a NFL rule precluding this from happening (as we had to interview coaches from playoff teams ONLY during the bye week).

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This seems to be an odd year for coaching replacements.... Not only have we not filled the position... neither have several other teams... And not a whole lot of names being thrown out as usual...

I think that is because most of the popular candidates are still alive in the playoffs...

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Funny, hypocritical article from a year ago: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...=ATL_newsdriver

Django: After reading that Lombardi article, I couldn't help myself.

This is what I wrote in the 'comments' section:

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"My, what a difference a year makes.

Do you feel sad again this year... considering the fact that you are part of a "brain trust" that just fired its Head Coach after 11 months?

Sad, indeed."

Granted, it doesn't help fix the Browns' current situation, but it made me feel a little better....

J/C If I remember right when Mangini was fired some on here suggested Rob Ryan for the head coaching job. After a stint in Dallas where he was fired as the DC ( which seems to have been a mistake by Jerry Jones) and a successful, to date, run as the DC for the Saints he would seem nearing a point where he starts being talked about for a head coaching vacancy somewhere. I don't see him meshing well with Banner or Lombardi but have nothing really to base that conclusion on, just a feeling.

In all of Rob Ryan's time as an NFL coordinator, he's been a part of one winning team, which happened this year.

One.

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In all of Rob Ryan's time as an NFL coordinator, he's been a part of one winning team, which happened this year.

One.

I don't think his defense this year is all that great too. Blown out a bunch of times.

Not to mention they did give up that score late. Thanks to horrible special teams and a dumb horse collar penalty, it set them up for the win.

He's not a great coordinator, but the players love him, and his defenses get streaky, so he'll be around a while.

I'm going to lock this thread, anyone can feel free to start a new one. When we decided to go with unlimited pages we were not aware of how this would effect people accessing the board on phones, etc. It's not working for those folks at all.

We will now be locking threads at 10 pages, and as always, posters can start a new thread if there is still interest in discussing the topic.